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2013-12-24 10:12:50 AM
Gosh, that s awful sweet of him!
 
2013-12-24 10:13:57 AM
"It's a Festivus Miracle!" -Cosmo
 
2013-12-24 10:15:52 AM
cant wait until people start to use these benefits and they get denied.

Not taking joy in the citizens dismay but in the screw up of this administration.
 
2013-12-24 10:17:00 AM
Hero?

More like 'Trying to save their asses' tag.
 
2013-12-24 10:17:02 AM
Fascist bastards. Everyone involved in the law should die in a fire immediately.

What's more, extra time is worthless so long as the systems don't work. It's going to take months, not days, to have any impact.

Glad I decided long ago to refuse to participate.
 
2013-12-24 10:20:05 AM
I thought I read that this was essentially a way to let people who made a good faith effort to log into the page yesterday but got stuck in the queue until after midnight to complete their applications...
 
2013-12-24 10:20:06 AM
Can't wait until people try and use these "benefits", and see their deductible has not been met yet.
 
2013-12-24 10:26:04 AM
I can't wait to see the pile of corpses outside the hospital of people denyed coverage because they cannot get the healthcare they signed up for. It will rival the joy I felt seeing the piles of corpses outside the hospital who were denied coverage because they could not afford healthcare or were turned down from a plan because they were born with some illness or otherwise preexisting condition.

/all I'm saying is I like corpses
//and hate Obama
///because Fox told me I should.
 
2013-12-24 10:32:32 AM
Thanks to 'pre-existing conditions' I've been without health insurance for two years.

As of 1/1/14 I will have health insurance and will get a transplant that will save my life.

So, yeah, I think Obamacare is great.

/ Will supply details if you want 'em
 
2013-12-24 10:46:04 AM

zetar: Thanks to 'pre-existing conditions' I've been without health insurance for two years.

As of 1/1/14 I will have health insurance and will get a transplant that will save my life.

So, yeah, I think Obamacare is great.

/ Will supply details if you want 'em


That's not insurance, that's getting a fire policy on a house that's engulfed. Insurance insures you against the unexpected. Your situation is unique in that you're a human cash bomb for the other people in whatever plan you choose. :)

/any chance you'll tell us which plan you got?
//glad you'll get your transplant. I'm just being snarky today.
 
2013-12-24 10:51:30 AM
Can the Whitehouse change any law at any time for any reason? They seem to be modifying a lot of what was passed on a whim.

Seriously asking no snark implied.
 
2013-12-24 11:00:45 AM

alex10294: zetar: Thanks to 'pre-existing conditions' I've been without health insurance for two years.

As of 1/1/14 I will have health insurance and will get a transplant that will save my life.

So, yeah, I think Obamacare is great.

/ Will supply details if you want 'em

That's not insurance, that's getting a fire policy on a house that's engulfed. Insurance insures you against the unexpected. Your situation is unique in that you're a human cash bomb for the other people in whatever plan you choose. :)

/any chance you'll tell us which plan you got?
//glad you'll get your transplant. I'm just being snarky today.


Human cash bomb, eh?  I'm not sure snarky is the word for you.

Here's the deal: after paying Blue Cross / Blue Shield ~ $350k in premiums since 1985 they cancelled my insurance when I was transitioning from a BC/BS policy I had in grad school to another BC/BS policy after I got my doctorate. While I was still on 'GradCare' I was diagnosed with Stage 3 kidney disease. BC/BS immediately refused to honor their previous offer of a new policy post-doc (the BC/BS rep actually laughed at me on the phone).

My new policy is with a company called CoOportunity Health (it's a health co-op). I will probably end up paying about $6k out of pocket and then SS will pay for other stuff.
 
2013-12-24 11:26:08 AM

zetar: Thanks to 'pre-existing conditions' I've been without health insurance for two years.


I always hated that. I love the new plans too. BCBS would have cost me 580 last year and now I'm getting it for 220 and with the subsidy I'm getting it for around 100. I love the people who complain about the deductible but if your smart you go for the plans with low deductibles. This stuff is great for me.
 
2013-12-24 12:01:03 PM
Your coverage does not kick in until after you have spent $4300, so you are on the hook for four grand even if you do get sick.

I do not know how much it costs, but estimates range from $250 to $500 per month. You also have to be covered for a bunch of crap you don't want, like a 55 year old woman who had a hysterectomy has to be insured for pregnancy expenses.

How's all this hope and change stuff workin' out for ya?
 
2013-12-24 12:09:17 PM
It's Christmas eve. I'm not going to let the usuals troll me. Everyone take care.
 
2013-12-24 12:22:35 PM
Remember, boys and girls:  The ACA is an abomination and zOMG SOOOOOOCIALISM! and it's going to kill us all.  And if B. Hussein Osama makes the smallest adjustment, he's a tyrant and a bum and a zOMG SOOOOOOCIALIST!
 
2013-12-24 12:26:57 PM

chasd00: Can the Whitehouse change any law at any time for any reason? They seem to be modifying a lot of what was passed on a whim.

Seriously asking no snark implied.


If the law in question grants him that discretion, yes.
 
2013-12-24 12:41:51 PM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: chasd00: Can the Whitehouse change any law at any time for any reason? They seem to be modifying a lot of what was passed on a whim.

Seriously asking no snark implied.

If the law in question grants him that discretion, yes.


The laws don't grant him that discretion, but he's making changes that needed to be made because of the monster Fark ups that have happened with this law that was unknowable until after it passed.

I don't suspect anyone will push back on it, nor should they in most cases. However, it sets a bad example and people should be prepared for this sort of thing to happen more and more until the courts are asked to step in.
 
2013-12-24 02:10:44 PM

spin359: I always hated that. I love the new plans too. BCBS would have cost me 580 last year and now I'm getting it for 220 and with the subsidy I'm getting it for around 100. I love the people who complain about the deductible but if your smart you go for the plans with low deductibles. This stuff is great for me.


Depending on the state the "low deductible" plans tend to be catastrophic only and seemingly designed for those who will rarely if ever use a doctor.  The ones I saw had stiff fees for any sort of services used and no drug coverage to speak of, adding in either made the plans more expensive than current equivalents, adding in both made them notably more expensive.  The coming sticker shock will be very interesting to watch.

/glad someone benefitted though
//hopefully you will get what you think you signed up for
 
2013-12-24 02:41:22 PM

blugenes: spin359: I always hated that. I love the new plans too. BCBS would have cost me 580 last year and now I'm getting it for 220 and with the subsidy I'm getting it for around 100. I love the people who complain about the deductible but if your smart you go for the plans with low deductibles. This stuff is great for me.

Depending on the state the "low deductible" plans tend to be catastrophic only and seemingly designed for those who will rarely if ever use a doctor.  The ones I saw had stiff fees for any sort of services used and no drug coverage to speak of, adding in either made the plans more expensive than current equivalents, adding in both made them notably more expensive.  The coming sticker shock will be very interesting to watch.

/glad someone benefitted though
//hopefully you will get what you think you signed up for


I got a silver Blue Cross Blue Shield and my deductible is $175. its a 85/15 percent so if i go to the hospital I'm only on the hook for 15%. co pays are low too, so yeah its a good plan. Better than i had when i was full time state of Texas employee even. I would have been on the hook for 20% there.
 
2013-12-24 03:03:27 PM

zetar: Thanks to 'pre-existing conditions' I've been without health insurance for two years.

As of 1/1/14 I will have health insurance and will get a transplant that will save my life.

So, yeah, I think Obamacare is great.

/ Will supply details if you want 'em


Hey, if things don't work out so well, can I have your organs? The good ones, I mean.

/Will supply details if you want 'em.
 
2013-12-24 03:11:49 PM
An extra day?

Truly, history's greatest monster.
 
2013-12-24 03:24:33 PM

EVERYBODY PANIC: Hey, if things don't work out so well, can I have your organs? The good ones, I mean.


Only if you can prove you voted for Obama and are a card carrying Marxist.
 
2013-12-24 03:47:14 PM

zetar: EVERYBODY PANIC: Hey, if things don't work out so well, can I have your organs? The good ones, I mean.

Only if you can prove you voted for Obama and are a card carrying Marxist.


Obama? Marxist? Oh, bummer. I'm the sole Capitalist here at Fark.com. No votey ever, for anybody, as I do not participate in organized crime.

/Ergo, no almost-new organs for me.
/Hope your situation works out for you. Enjoy your new parts if you can find them.
 
2013-12-24 04:13:30 PM

zetar: Thanks to 'pre-existing conditions' I've been without health insurance for two years.

As of 1/1/14 I will have health insurance and will get a transplant that will save my life.

So, yeah, I think Obamacare is great.

/ Will supply details if you want 'em


Instead of being snarky perhaps you should feel grateful that other people are going to be paying for your health care.  Being a dick to those people smacks of ingratitude.

In other news, how is that security coming?  As an IT professional I would feel safer giving my credit card number to a russian porn site than putting personal info into healthcare.gov.
 
2013-12-24 04:34:40 PM

great_tigers: cant wait until people start to use these benefits and they get denied.

Not taking joy in the citizens dismay but in the screw up of this administration.


Why would I get denied? Humana takes my money. I have a list of doctors in the HMO.

I know you're hoping this will fail with all your little heart, but no doctor in the plan will know if I signed up via the ACA website or through a Humana work plan. How did you think it would work?
 
2013-12-24 04:40:31 PM

GORDON: zetar: Thanks to 'pre-existing conditions' I've been without health insurance for two years.

As of 1/1/14 I will have health insurance and will get a transplant that will save my life.

So, yeah, I think Obamacare is great.

/ Will supply details if you want 'em

Instead of being snarky perhaps you should feel grateful that other people are going to be paying for your health care.  Being a dick to those people smacks of ingratitude.

In other news, how is that security coming?  As an IT professional I would feel safer giving my credit card number to a russian porn site than putting personal info into healthcare.gov.


How do you know other people will pay for his health care in any way different than other people would pay for your healthcare through a work plan? I am an independent contractor who does not qualify for subsidies, and I bought an excellent plan through the health care website. Two, actually. I also got a good dental plan. And as far as security goes, I paid Humana and Anthem directly, so, yeah, I feel pretty secure. Payments are not maid through the ACA website.

Speaking of being a dick, there's nothing like trying to scare sick people near Christmas, and wishing ill upon those who did not have access to healthcare really puts it over the top.
 
2013-12-24 06:52:29 PM

GORDON: As an IT professional I would feel safer giving my credit card number to a russian porn site than putting personal info into healthcare.gov.


I have a doctorate in computer science. I think you are grossly misstating security issues of Healthcare.gov. I registered through Healthcare.gov and at no time was I asked for a credit card, bank account number or any other financial documents.
 
2013-12-24 11:28:01 PM
Can we please just have a Single Payer plan instead?
 
2013-12-24 11:41:33 PM

zetar: GORDON: As an IT professional I would feel safer giving my credit card number to a russian porn site than putting personal info into healthcare.gov.

I have a doctorate in computer science. I think you are grossly misstating security issues of Healthcare.gov. I registered through Healthcare.gov and at no time was I asked for a credit card, bank account number or any other financial documents.


No, he isn't.
The front end of the website had a number of documented vulnerabilities.  Just to name a few:

It is vulnerable to cross-site request forgery attacks.
It is vulnerable to clickjacking attacks.
It does not handle cookies securely.
It does not limit input to prevent access to the backend by typing commands into the blanks that the users enter data in.

The backend does not have any documented vulnerabilities because it wasn't working yet when they ran the vulnerability tests.  They never tested the backend's security at all before the site went live!

You were not asked for your credit card, account number, or financial documents, but you were asked for your full name, date of birth, address, social security number, employer, and annual salary.  The site then takes that information and queries databases at over 20 other government agencies such as IRS, Social Security, Dept. of Labor, Homeland Security, the VA, and Dept. of Health among others.  It uses all this info to create your profile.  The information you entered is definitely vulnerable. If the backend isn't secure then all of it is.

Just the information you provided on the website is enough for a dishonest person to....mortgage your house and run off with the money, for example.  You won't even know it happened until the foreclosure proceedings start.  Another popular tactic is for the hackers, or the people they sell your information to, to file for your income tax and take the refund.  Or they can just open up a new credit card in your name.

If I had to get insurance through the ACA I would just call up an insurance company and set up a policy.  Any savings that would come from comparison shopping on the website would not be worth my piece of mind.
 
2013-12-25 03:27:41 AM
Everyone waiting until the very end of a deadline to submit should be familiar to anyone who's ever had to collect submissions. It's just human nature.

HK-MP5-SD: Just the information you provided on the website is enough for a dishonest person to....mortgage your house and run off with the money, for example.  You won't even know it happened until the foreclosure proceedings start.  Another popular tactic is for the hackers, or the people they sell your information to, to file for your income tax and take the refund.  Or they can just open up a new credit card in your name.


At this point it's pretty safe to assume that everyone's social security numbers are public, at least in the criminal underground. The ACA website doesn't give the tweakers that steal your mail any extra information.
 
2013-12-25 08:34:22 AM
My disdain comes from the fact that I'm a healthy 34yo male who exercises (Crossfit and marathon runner) and will have to pay the difference for some fat, lazy-ass with "preexisting conditions" who doesn't take care of them selves at all.  To everybody who needs Obamacare, YOU'RE WELCOME.
 
2013-12-25 01:51:11 PM

EwoksSuck: Can we please just have a Single Payer plan instead?


Sure, but you have to be the single payer, and we'll all leach off of you.
 
2013-12-25 01:57:56 PM

Pick: Can't wait until people try and use these "benefits", and see their deductible has not been met yet.


It really is going to be hysterical. All these idiots thinking they pay $200 a month and some other poor sucker gets stuck with the bill.

The best part is, they will rack up tens of thousands of dollars in bills before they figure it out.
 
2013-12-25 02:21:32 PM

foxyshadis: Everyone waiting until the very end of a deadline to submit should be familiar to anyone who's ever had to collect submissions. It's just human nature.

HK-MP5-SD: Just the information you provided on the website is enough for a dishonest person to....mortgage your house and run off with the money, for example.  You won't even know it happened until the foreclosure proceedings start.  Another popular tactic is for the hackers, or the people they sell your information to, to file for your income tax and take the refund.  Or they can just open up a new credit card in your name.

At this point it's pretty safe to assume that everyone's social security numbers are public, at least in the criminal underground. The ACA website doesn't give the tweakers that steal your mail any extra information.


Sure it does, it gives them your employer, your date of birth and salary.  Some of those things, like name  of your employer and salary are difficult to find.  Sure you can fake them, but using the real info is much less likely to set off alarms.  Healthcare.gov is the walmart of identity theft.  Everything you need in one place, cheap.
 
2013-12-25 02:24:30 PM

Mattbastard: My disdain comes from the fact that I'm a healthy 34yo male who exercises (Crossfit and marathon runner) and will have to pay the difference for some fat, lazy-ass with "preexisting conditions" who doesn't take care of them selves at all.  To everybody who needs Obamacare, YOU'RE WELCOME.


And if, god forbid, anything ever happens to you that would require expensive treatment, YOU'LL be covered. Life is funny in that we may think of ourselves as being in one group and all of a sudden BAM, bad fall, limphoma diagnosis, hospital admission for post marathon hyponatremia and all of a sudden nobody wants to insure you. If you already have insurance, your insurance may scour your application or investigate your history for some thumb injury you forgot to mention or some "i" you forgot to dot and deny you coverage.

Don't be so sure you know exactly what your lot in life is. I wish you the best, but there are no guarantees no matter how healthy you think you are. I've seen plenty of people like you wind up on the other side of the equation you feel very confident you are on the flip side for.

This law is about making sure that companies are no longer able to screw people out of coverage when they have bad fortune or their fortune suddenly changes.
 
2013-12-25 06:38:23 PM

rga184: Mattbastard: My disdain comes from the fact that I'm a healthy 34yo male who exercises (Crossfit and marathon runner) and will have to pay the difference for some fat, lazy-ass with "preexisting conditions" who doesn't take care of them selves at all.  To everybody who needs Obamacare, YOU'RE WELCOME.

And if, god forbid, anything ever happens to you that would require expensive treatment, YOU'LL be covered. Life is funny in that we may think of ourselves as being in one group and all of a sudden BAM, bad fall, limphoma diagnosis, hospital admission for post marathon hyponatremia and all of a sudden nobody wants to insure you. If you already have insurance, your insurance may scour your application or investigate your history for some thumb injury you forgot to mention or some "i" you forgot to dot and deny you coverage.

Don't be so sure you know exactly what your lot in life is. I wish you the best, but there are no guarantees no matter how healthy you think you are. I've seen plenty of people like you wind up on the other side of the equation you feel very confident you are on the flip side for.

This law is about making sure that companies are no longer able to screw people out of coverage when they have bad fortune or their fortune suddenly changes.


Mattbastard might enjoy a conversation with this guy.
 
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