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2013-12-23 07:30:03 PM  
5 votes:
Mono-cultures are easy to wipe out.
2013-12-23 09:21:39 PM  
4 votes:

STOP IT WITH THE MONOCULTURE ALREADY!



Those morons already killed the "golden" banana. Y'know the one that was actually good to eat? Yeah, it died. Then we got the modern "banana" which is really just a soft plantain and tastes it.

Now, they went all monoculture again and lo and behold growing the same damn thing all the same damn time leaves you vulnerable to disease. This is why British accents are hot and you don't know why. Your body craves new and varied DNA for your offspring so they'll be the most resilient. We need a variety of banana species on each farm so no one fungus can wipe them out. Plus, maybe they'll interbreed and the seedlings will develop a fungal immunity.
2013-12-23 08:37:50 PM  
4 votes:
Happened before with the Gros Micheal strain. That's where the old song "Yes, we have no bananas" comes from.
2013-12-23 07:54:32 PM  
4 votes:
Meh, the good tasting bananas died out in 1970. Bananas haven't tasted right since then.
2013-12-23 07:06:53 PM  
4 votes:
He was a young driver,
just out on his second job.
And he was carrying the next day's pasty fruits
for everyone in that coal-scarred city
where children play without despair
in backyard slag-piles and folks manage to eat each day
about thirty thousand pounds of bananas.
2013-12-23 08:40:41 PM  
3 votes:
Won't get rid of bananas, but they will have to change varieties. All the bananas you ever see in the United States are genetically identical--but they are different from what we used to have (ask your parents). That one was wiped out, and it's been clear that the new one would also get wiped out. Whatever they replace it with will certainly not taste as good, but it will probably ship better.
2013-12-24 12:28:53 AM  
2 votes:

bbqsandwich: Tarkus: Meh, the good tasting bananas died out in 1970. Bananas haven't tasted right since then.

Maybe your taste buds just died off?


Afraid he's correct. The world switched varieties when the old one pretty much was killed off by disease. Cultivated bananas do not produce seeds, it's all by cuttings. Very little genetic variety. Bananas with seeds are chock-full-o-seeds, no fun to eat.
2013-12-23 11:52:01 PM  
2 votes:

Hollie Maea: If you go back to the source (New Guinea) you can find tons of different kinds of bananas. Probably not with much commercial potential unless they can hang out in a semi for a week without going "bad".


You know what I hate? I hate those bananas in the supermarket these days that will ripen and have brown spots all over them, but somehow they are still hard and green. It just ain't natural.
2013-12-23 10:55:11 PM  
2 votes:

Dextro: I guess it's a good thing bananas grow naturally in my back yard.
/Delicious, delicious bananas


What? How YOU--oh wait, you live in Florida. Enjoy your bananas.
2013-12-23 10:14:01 PM  
2 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Tarkus: Meh, the good tasting bananas died out in 1970. Bananas haven't tasted right since then.

This

/I remember


I thought there was something weird about bananas when I started eating them again.  Had them as a kid, and then of course spurned all fruit and vegetables from teen years until about 35.

Was like "I don't remember them tasting like wax"
2013-12-23 10:04:02 PM  
2 votes:

doglover: Those morons already killed the "golden" banana. Y'know the one that was actually good to eat? Yeah, it died. Then we got the modern "banana" which is really just a soft plantain and tastes it.


Many of the older cultivars are still around.  They never went extinct.  You just can't grow them in areas that are prone to disease (read: major banana producing areas).  If you have a large greenhouse or live in the sunbelt, you can grow them yourself.
2013-12-23 09:47:45 PM  
2 votes:
This is another example of how food webs can collapse under strained environmental conditions.

No, this is an example of how man's overreliance on a single food crop can lead to economic disaster. One genetic mutation = one cheap and convenient banana = one type of banana being grown world wide = one global food source wiped out when that mutation becomes vulnerable to a disease or fungus that would not harm a more variable species.

See also the Irish Potato Famine. A few years before the Famine, Ireland had gone from farming a wide variety of potatoes to one breed which grew faster and was resistant to spoilage and the cold weather that lingered over Ireland at the tag-end of the Little Ice Age. Things warmed up in the 1840's creating great conditions for P. infestans, a fungus which spreads rapidly in warm, damp winds. With only one type of potato in the fields, there was no chance for any natural resistance, et viola! an entire nation basically starved to death (assisted by the British government).

So no, this isn't a "food web" collapse. There isn't a web. There's just one thread, and when it breaks, there's nothing else around to hold up the other end.
2013-12-23 07:25:16 PM  
2 votes:
These fungus stories have been floating around for years.  I guess it is a disaster just in really slow motion.
2013-12-24 06:17:33 AM  
1 votes:

Torion!: Banana S'more Recipe

Preheat toaster oven to 350
Place banana on foil.
Cut and peel one banana flap, do not remove flap,
Cut V into exposed banana, gently remove banana.
Fill V with marshmallows and chocolate bits
Place previously removed banana on marshmallow and chocolate bits
Place flap back onto banana
Wrap banana with foil
Put foiled banana into toaster oven
Wait 10 mins
Banana S'more Time

/wife makes them, I just eat them


Thank you good sir for the recipe.  I'm going to make some Banana S'mores for my party tonight.   It  will be a nice addition to,  and  something completely different  from what I usually serve.  I'm sure the  kids will love them.  I may try adding some kind of liqueur to them   for us bigger kids.
2013-12-24 03:41:35 AM  
1 votes:

doglover: Gyrfalcon: doglover: Gyrfalcon: if they grow wild in a backyard in Southern California, they might grow anywhere.

You have no idea how special CA weather is, do ya? You bastards don't even have winter.

Hm, there must be some other reason it was so cold in my office today I couldn't feel my feet.

(motherf*ckers won't fix the heater...I bet it will be repaired just in time for summer)

Probably diabetic circulation problems.


In the coldest month, January, the temperature typically ranges from 59 to 73 °F (15 to 23 °C) during the day and 45 to 55 °F (7 to 13 °C)

I don't know about you, but I like wear T shirts in 13 degree weather if I'm moving and maybe a thin jacket if I have to sit a spell.


Pics or it isn't happening.

And I do have poor foot circulation; from too many broken toes doing karate, not metabolic issues, thank you very much. But we're having a cold snap right now, and besides heating issues, the office building is not well insulated. It's been colder inside than outside lately, which is really sucky.
2013-12-24 02:53:13 AM  
1 votes:

calbert: No. he had it right the first time. God's perfect fruit. a correction isn't warranted.

2.bp.blogspot.com


Is that a glacial moraine behind those fartards?

KarmicDisaster: Not that they saved any wild types to cross them with anyway oops. And this time there is no real substitute that looks or tastes anything like a banana.


I think Banana's are like Cherries, there are a metric assload of different types, but unlike Cherries the ones we've come to prefer are all cuttings off a wild found seedless mutant.

Scary to me is I remember reading that unlike the US where Banana's are mostly a treat in some parts of the world they are a critical part of the food supply. I've heard the same said of mango's.
2013-12-24 02:00:35 AM  
1 votes:

Quantum Apostrophe: Luse: Because the psychics of yesterday are no more reliable today. I simply don't pretend to know what people smarter than me will discover tomorrow.

That just means you'll have faith in anything at all. And if that's not what it means, then you DO know about physics. It's not magic. And the physics of yesterday was plenty fine, we just refined it. The neutron was only discovered in 1932 and except for nuclear reactions, has no bearing at all on any technology we use.

So, is any prediction of the future as valid as any other? You know, since you're not competent enough to know what we will discover tomorrow?

How about a 747 that flies you across the ocean at the speed of light on a drop of kerosene? What would you think of that? Why am I not allowed to think that?

The whole point is that people smarter than you ALREADY LOOKED. This is the world we live in NOW!

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to order some plastic trinkets on the Web. It's the productive future I've always dreamed about. Why everyone needs to work so much for such an insecure life I don't know, but we're all very productive. What we produce and for whose benefit I don't know, but only a Luddite would doubt our glorious future!


Last I checked things like the speed of light were considered an absolute. To pretend you'd break it with a drop of kerosene is ridiculous. Fark, if you're pushing to the ridiculous why kerosene? Why not water? Why not an oxygen atom? Why not a chip of bark? How about a single drop of sweat? Your examples are sadly linear. A quote I heard, and I fail to remember the source is that within science, rarely do the major moments come as a "Eureka" moment. Far more often the amazing breakthroughs are, "Well, that's odd."  Viagra was a heart medication long before it became a boner pill. We're not nearly as clever as we'd like to pretend we are. You make claims of what is impossible. Humans have a history of proving people like you wrong.

The thing is, we could use you, as a species. You're not stupid, you're the opposite. You simply work too hard at trying to prove what can't be done, in spite of yourself. We say, "It may be possible."
You say, "Absolutely no farking way!"
We have proof that a single man defeated nearly a thousand invaders, with a shiatty Russian rifle, using only iron sights. (Simo Haya).
If you watched a movie on it tomorrow you'd call bullshiat, and you'd be wrong.

To answer your question, if you make exceptional claims I expect exceptional proof. I won't, however, pretend to know better than anyone in history. You do.
2013-12-24 01:30:17 AM  
1 votes:

Quantum Apostrophe: Luse: What makes you believe that the same won't be true tomorrow?

Because if you use that as an argument, anything at all is possible. In the future, we'll all use magic and have unicorns as pets. Ridiculous, isn't it? There are broad limits to what makes sense and doesn't, and if you spend your life dreaming about massive breakthroughs in our understanding of physics, chemistry, engineering and reality, what makes you different from someone who call psychic hotlines? Who are you to say psychics won't be reliable tomorrow?


Because the psychics of yesterday are no more reliable today. I simply don't pretend to know what people smarter than me will discover tomorrow.
2013-12-24 01:12:24 AM  
1 votes:

Yogimus: lewismarktwo: Yogimus: Torion!: [img.fark.net image 850x479]
Banana S'more

what is that magical concoction?! I demand a recipe

I think the picture is the recipe.

The logistics, man! What of the logistics? It's like getting a box of legos with no instructions! I see the pieces, I see the picture, but the road tween them, she is covered in a fog!


kk, cut off peel from top of bananr, pop out nannr cut in haif.  Cram in smoreshtuff then recombobulate and wrap in teh foils.  Threw in fire bout a minutertwo.
2013-12-24 01:08:36 AM  
1 votes:
Banana S'more Recipe

Preheat toaster oven to 350
Place banana on foil.
Cut and peel one banana flap, do not remove flap,
Cut V into exposed banana, gently remove banana.
Fill V with marshmallows and chocolate bits
Place previously removed banana on marshmallow and chocolate bits
Place flap back onto banana
Wrap banana with foil
Put foiled banana into toaster oven
Wait 10 mins
Banana S'more Time

/wife makes them, I just eat them
2013-12-24 01:05:46 AM  
1 votes:

Quantum Apostrophe: Luse: Highly useful, adaptable and productive?

I wish I could take a peek at your scrip pad. It must be impressive.

Luse: I like you alot.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x300]

Luse: I think we agree about far more than we don't.

That no one is going anywhere, ever, and 3D printing is just a shape prototyping tool and not a Star Trek object replicator?

Anywhere, ever? Come on now, who's being foolish?

Sweet, and here I thought you were an uncritical gee-wiz fanboi.

If nothing else, I'm a cynic. Maybe a dreamer at some point too, but a cynic first and foremost. In a provable timeline, as defined by yours and mine lifetime, you're right. Unless you're omniscient and can see into the future, you'd be a damned fool to predict what cannot be done. Today's Science is yesterday's magic. What makes you believe that the same won't be true tomorrow?
2013-12-24 12:57:26 AM  
1 votes:

2wolves: Mono-cultures are easy to wipe out.


Yup and unfortunately this applies to a quite a few of our crops.
2013-12-24 12:44:31 AM  
1 votes:

lewismarktwo: Yogimus: Torion!: [img.fark.net image 850x479]
Banana S'more

what is that magical concoction?! I demand a recipe

I think the picture is the recipe.


The logistics, man! What of the logistics? It's like getting a box of legos with no instructions! I see the pieces, I see the picture, but the road tween them, she is covered in a fog!
2013-12-24 12:42:36 AM  
1 votes:

Yogimus: Torion!: [img.fark.net image 850x479]
Banana S'more

what is that magical concoction?! I demand a recipe


I think the picture is the recipe.
2013-12-24 12:32:54 AM  
1 votes:
img.fark.net
Banana S'more
2013-12-24 12:16:54 AM  
1 votes:

Quantum Apostrophe: Luse: Quantum Apostrophe: Maggie_Luna: Are we talking about your sexuality or is this a round about way of saying you've gotten fat?

Both I guess. I was as flexible as a Chinese contortionist in high school. No one else offered to suck my dick, so ...

I think I'm beginning to understand you. I couldn't exist in a world where a pretty young thing doesn't ask to have my cock in her mouth. I'll even hold off on my usual 3d printing quips.

Oh yeah? OH YEAH!? Well your MOM was a 3d printer!!!!


Highly useful, adaptable and productive? Hell yeah she is! She made the awesome that is ME! I like you QA. I like you alot. I think we agree about far more than we don't. Despite the appearances.
2013-12-23 11:12:37 PM  
1 votes:

Dinjiin: doglover: Those morons already killed the "golden" banana. Y'know the one that was actually good to eat? Yeah, it died. Then we got the modern "banana" which is really just a soft plantain and tastes it.

Many of the older cultivars are still around.  They never went extinct.  You just can't grow them in areas that are prone to disease (read: major banana producing areas).  If you have a large greenhouse or live in the sunbelt, you can grow them yourself.


If you go back to the source (New Guinea) you can find tons of different kinds of bananas. Probably not with much commercial potential unless they can hang out in a semi for a week without going "bad".
2013-12-23 10:43:14 PM  
1 votes:
survivalfarm.files.wordpress.com

Article mistakenly assumes that Americans actually eat fruit.
2013-12-23 10:41:51 PM  
1 votes:
Gros Michel isn't extinct, it is still grown around the world but in smaller quantities so it's no longer commercially viable.
2013-12-23 10:26:24 PM  
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: if they grow wild in a backyard in Southern California, they might grow anywhere.


You have no idea how special CA weather is, do ya? You bastards don't even have winter.
2013-12-23 10:23:19 PM  
1 votes:

roger_lamothe: eating a banana is like sucking a cock. disgusting


img.fark.net
2013-12-23 10:21:15 PM  
1 votes:

Omahawg: guess'n we'll all just have to eat american bananas then

[www.zingermanscreamery.com image 850x597]


YUM

(holey moley those flowers smell like poo)
2013-12-23 10:19:58 PM  
1 votes:

Omahawg: guess'n we'll all just have to eat american bananas then

[www.zingermanscreamery.com image 850x597]


Yum

(holy moley those flowers smell like poo)
2013-12-23 10:11:42 PM  
1 votes:

Dinjiin: doglover: Those morons already killed the "golden" banana. Y'know the one that was actually good to eat? Yeah, it died. Then we got the modern "banana" which is really just a soft plantain and tastes it.

Many of the older cultivars are still around.  They never went extinct.  You just can't grow them in areas that are prone to disease (read: major banana producing areas).  If you have a large greenhouse or live in the sunbelt, you can grow them yourself.


My boss has some growing in his backyard somehow. They taste great, and are firmer and better textured than a store banana, besides lasting a lot longer. (Shut up, pervert) It wouldn't be hard to recreate them, and if they grow wild in a backyard in Southern California, they might grow anywhere.
2013-12-23 10:11:33 PM  
1 votes:

Eps05: The Dog Ate My Homework: Oh no, where else will I find an expensive fruit that goes bad two days after I buy it?

Bananas aren't expensive. Plus they're one of the few fruits or vegetables that don't feel like you're chewing on water. Also I can keep them almost a week at room temperature (depending how fresh or green they were on purchase day) I have trouble keeping berries fresh 4 days with refrigeration. Blueberries fare better than strawberries or raspberries, I found.


Maybe he/she lives in Japan, where I understand all fruit is expensive.

I personally never buy bananas because like milk they'll go bad before I use them all (even one) because I do not like them. I may like them in things but not the taste outright.
2013-12-23 10:04:36 PM  
1 votes:

s1ugg0: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Tarkus: Meh, the good tasting bananas died out in 1970. Bananas haven't tasted right since then.

This

/I remember

I am horribly jealous of both of you.

/Born in 1982


Best bananas I ever had I bought at a roadside stand in Hawaii in 1998.  Never been able to come close to them since no matter how many fair trade organic hippie groceries I go to back in Hicksville, USA.
2013-12-23 10:03:42 PM  
1 votes:
And so it begins...

chamberfour.com
2013-12-23 09:32:47 PM  
1 votes:
Aside from the fact that this has happened before, as was mentioned upthread, the current inferior tasting bananas are reproduced by cuttings and grafting; they are all genetically identical and don't even form seeds. So they can't be crossed with anything to try to breed in resistance. Not that they saved any wild types to cross them with anyway oops. And this time there is no real substitute that looks or tastes anything like a banana.
2013-12-23 09:32:42 PM  
1 votes:
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2013-12-23 09:32:13 PM  
1 votes:
Hey mister tally man, tally me banana.
2013-12-23 09:26:19 PM  
1 votes:
i.imgur.com
2013-12-23 09:24:34 PM  
1 votes:

This About That: uber humper: This About That: Never happen. God's perfect fruit.

And my God you mean Man's perfect fruit -- that has been modified to the nth through hybridization

Behold.


that heathen opens bananas from the wrong end.
2013-12-23 09:16:06 PM  
1 votes:

Luse: Quantum Apostrophe: Maggie_Luna: Are we talking about your sexuality or is this a round about way of saying you've gotten fat?

Both I guess. I was as flexible as a Chinese contortionist in high school. No one else offered to suck my dick, so ...

I think I'm beginning to understand you. I couldn't exist in a world where a pretty young thing doesn't ask to have my cock in her mouth. I'll even hold off on my usual 3d printing quips.


Oh yeah? OH YEAH!? Well your MOM was a 3d printer!!!!
2013-12-23 09:05:29 PM  
1 votes:

The Dog Ate My Homework: Oh no, where else will I find an expensive fruit that goes bad two days after I buy it?



There will always be pears.
2013-12-23 08:53:21 PM  
1 votes:
I remember when bananas had prominent black seeds in the center - like kiwi-fruit.  I havne't seen any that look like that since I was a kid.... probably around 1990.
2013-12-23 08:41:55 PM  
1 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Tarkus: Meh, the good tasting bananas died out in 1970. Bananas haven't tasted right since then.

This

/I remember



Those were the Gros Michel (Big Mike) variety. After they died back, the large producers started breeding the Cavendish variety. That's what we have now. If there is a blight, they will just start producing the next variety.

There are dozens of different varieties of bananas. To quote BSG: This has all happened before. It will happen again.
2013-12-23 08:31:35 PM  
1 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Tarkus: Meh, the good tasting bananas died out in 1970. Bananas haven't tasted right since then.

This

/I remember


I am horribly jealous of both of you.

/Born in 1982
2013-12-23 08:30:46 PM  
1 votes:

This About That: Never happen. God's perfect fruit.


And my God you mean Man's perfect fruit -- that has been modified to the nth through hybridization
2013-12-23 08:24:47 PM  
1 votes:
Never happen. God's perfect fruit.
2013-12-23 07:49:00 PM  
1 votes:
images.starpulse.com
2013-12-23 07:34:51 PM  
1 votes:
We have no bananas today...
 
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