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(NBC News)   Judge: Same-sex marriage is legal in Utah. Utah: That's not fair - take it back. Judge: Mormon, please   (usnews.nbcnews.com) divider line 332
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2013-12-23 01:42:28 PM
+1000 to that judge!
 
2013-12-23 01:47:34 PM
"We continue to believe that voters in Utah did the right thing by providing clear direction in the state constitution that marriage should be between a man and a woman, and we are hopeful that this view will be validated by a higher court," the church said in a statement"

The separation of church and state doesn't work that way, dumbass!  You want affirmation of your beliefs... Go ask whatever it is you think god is and see what he thinks.
 
2013-12-23 01:49:22 PM
"It's almost like they're teasing us with it. I just don't think it's right," Tabitha Tuck, 31 told The Herald Journal as she unsuccessfully sought a license with her partner at the Box Elder County Clerk's Office.

Is "Box Elder" County the area of the state that's been set aside for Mormon lesbians?
 
2013-12-23 01:54:59 PM
Judge was appointed by Obama but recommended by Hatch.

Court leans slightly left.

Appeals will eventually go up to Sotomayor.

This is going to end badly for the Mormons.
 
2013-12-23 01:57:48 PM

obenchainr: Judge was appointed by Obama but recommended by Hatch.

Court leans slightly left.

Appeals will eventually go up to Sotomayor.

This is going to end badly for the Mormons.


or for any other state with bans in place, imo.  I read just about all of the ruling from last week, and it's a complete dismantling of every state AGs argument against marriage equality - and it's based heavily on Scalia's own writings in the DOMA case to boot.

Really, the Utah ruling will be the blue-print for copy-cat cases in just about every state, and AGs are going to find it nearly impossible to beat the scrutiny level that this judge laid down.

/again, imo
 
2013-12-23 02:00:50 PM
Bet they wish they had all that Prop 8 money back now
 
2013-12-23 02:13:50 PM

obenchainr: Judge was appointed by Obama but recommended by Hatch.

Court leans slightly left.

Appeals will eventually go up to Sotomayor.

This is going to end badly for the Mormons.


NTTAWWT
 
2013-12-23 02:16:39 PM
This whole thing has been making me squee my britches all weekend. Some of my friends' Facebook feeds have been full of doom and gloom over this and Duck Dynasty crap. Others have been very careful not to say anything extremely stupid and insensitive because the Mormon Church is trying to get through this without going full-blown Archie Bunker. There's a lot of butthurt overall in the general mountain states area. What's really surprising is seeing the different media outlets' polls showing that a lot of people are actually OK with it.
 
2013-12-23 02:21:01 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: Mormon Church is trying to get through this without going full-blown Archie Bunker.


They won't need to.  Regional and national GOP/right-wingers tied themselves to the LDS folks with the whole Prop 8 BS.  They'll sling enough derp to drag the LDS right into the muck with them.
 
2013-12-23 02:28:37 PM
More toothpaste out of the tube...
 
2013-12-23 03:02:00 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: ecmoRandomNumbers: Mormon Church is trying to get through this without going full-blown Archie Bunker.

They won't need to.  Regional and national GOP/right-wingers tied themselves to the LDS folks with the whole Prop 8 BS.  They'll sling enough derp to drag the LDS right into the muck with them.


I dunno. Political alliances come and go pretty easily. The difficult part for them is driving the "base" to keep writing checks to stem the tide of ... whatever social bogeyman they'll come up with. Pick any minority group which would get booed at a football game, and they're next up on the GOP WHEEL OF THREATS TO AMERICA. Interracial/national marriage is a perennial favorite, especially if you can play up both the xenophobia *and* "welfare queen" stereotypes, with a subtle note of secularization fantasies thrown in at the right moment. Percieved loss of social control for the dominant religious movements is a guaranteed way to get those credit cards out.
 
2013-12-23 04:17:17 PM
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2013-12-23 04:26:25 PM
Once again, the bigots and bible thumpers are too stupid to realize they have already lost this debate...
 
2013-12-23 04:26:55 PM
You lose Utah, good day sir!
 
2013-12-23 04:35:39 PM
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2013-12-23 04:36:36 PM
When gay marriage is finally legal in every state, we should all chip in a few bucks to put up a monument in honor of those brave souls who fought against it with every fiber of their being. It could be like the Vietnam War memorial but inscribed with the names of assholes.
 
2013-12-23 04:37:38 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: the Mormon Church is trying to get through this without going full-blown Archie Bunker.


You mean with out getting the lik blown off of their money making, incest factory?
 
2013-12-23 04:38:20 PM
In before states rights/activist judges.
 
2013-12-23 04:38:33 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Bet they wish they had all that Prop 8 money back now


Think of how many poor and downtrodden folks they could have helped by actually following Mr J's orders.

// not the manic guy in clown makeup and a purple suit
// the Semitic Socialist Scion, the Battered Beatnik from Bethlehem, the Nearly-Naked Nazarene from Nativity, Paul's Preachy Pastor, God's Go-to Guy in Galilee
// shall I go on?
 
2013-12-23 04:38:47 PM
"It's like Black Friday for gay people"

So people are being trampled to death along with fights and shootings at the courthouse?
 
2013-12-23 04:39:25 PM
If this isn't a clear farking case of a church getting involved in politics, and thus making its religious tax exempt status null and void, then nothing is.  The Mormon church should have been taxed into oblivion after they got hip deep into the California proposition 8 fight.
 
2013-12-23 04:39:50 PM
Wiggers be whigging!
 
2013-12-23 04:39:51 PM
Never forget that when the rapeublicans get back in power they are going to do the same shiat back to you assholes on the left.  Be careful how much you push because you're not prepared for the blowback
 
2013-12-23 04:40:33 PM
Judge: "I wanna see me some Mormon babes scissor each other."
 
2013-12-23 04:40:38 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: This whole thing has been making me squee my britches all weekend. Some of my friends' Facebook feeds have been full of doom and gloom over this and Duck Dynasty crap. Others have been very careful not to say anything extremely stupid and insensitive because the Mormon Church is trying to get through this without going full-blown Archie Bunker. There's a lot of butthurt overall in the general mountain states area. What's really surprising is seeing the different media outlets' polls showing that a lot of people are actually OK with it.


The people who are butthurt over this are on the wrong end of history, and their kids and grandkids will be embarrassed to talk about it decades from now. The more gay people are out and treated like everyone else, the less homophobia. This is true in the Mountain West and the Deep South, too; they're just behind the curve a bit.

graphics8.nytimes.com
 
2013-12-23 04:41:09 PM
We don't stone children to death because it's barbaric, yet it's a commandment and law. I am sure the good people of Judeo Christianity can wave their magic "religious logic" wand and get around the gay clause too. Don't believe me? What did god day would happen to Adam and Eve if they ate from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil? "Dying you shall die" (rough translation). They ate from it. Did they die? Well, hundreds of years later yes. So either you interpret your book creatively and say it's a spiritual death or that even though it's not explicitly mentioned, they were immortal and now they would be mortal or some pulled-out-the-ass bullcrap...or you are forced to say God is a liar.

Your move, Fundies.
 
2013-12-23 04:41:18 PM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: When gay marriage is finally legal in every state, we should all chip in a few bucks to put up a monument in honor of those brave souls who fought against it with every fiber of their being. It could be like the Vietnam War memorial but inscribed with the names of assholes.


As long as it's brown and smells like butt, I'll chip in a few bucks!
 
2013-12-23 04:41:27 PM

Peace on Earth.



Good Will.



Two men.

 
2013-12-23 04:42:06 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Never forget that when the rapeublicans get back in power they are going to do the same shiat back to you assholes on the left.  Be careful how much you push because you're not prepared for the blowback


Um, what shiat could they do to me exactly?
 
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2013-12-23 04:44:38 PM

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Judge: "I wanna see me some Mormon babes scissor each other."


Don't we all...
www.womenontheirway.com
 
2013-12-23 04:44:52 PM
Orson Scott Card must be shiatting his pants and touching himself at the same time.
 
2013-12-23 04:45:54 PM

Serious Black: Smeggy Smurf: Never forget that when the rapeublicans get back in power they are going to do the same shiat back to you assholes on the left.  Be careful how much you push because you're not prepared for the blowback

Um, what shiat could they do to me exactly?


Ban abortion in red states. That's really their one thing. Some of them would also like to ban contraception, but that's a lot less likely to pull off.
 
2013-12-23 04:45:55 PM
Seeing as how gay marriage is frowned upon in Islam, Utah wants to intill Sharia Law?
 
2013-12-23 04:48:07 PM
"It's Adam and Eve and Jenna and Chelsea and Margret and Chloe, not Adam and Steve!"
 
2013-12-23 04:48:55 PM
Your church doesn't like gay marriage, don't perform gay marriages in your church. Now, let the rest of the adults decide how they want to live their lives.
 
2013-12-23 04:49:05 PM
Islam likes their dancing boys, they just don't want to talk about it now because they'd have to eat too many words.
 
2013-12-23 04:49:07 PM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: It could be like the Vietnam War memorial but inscribed with the names of assholes people who think the vagina has more to offer.

 
2013-12-23 04:50:37 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Never forget that when the rapeublicans get back in power they are going to do the same shiat back to you assholes on the left.  Be careful how much you push because you're not prepared for the blowback


The same shiat? As in expanding civil rights to those who have been legally discriminated against? The Democrats would certainly be unprepared for that since that is what the GOP has done exactly zero times.
 
2013-12-23 04:50:59 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Bet they wish they had all that Prop 8 money back now


Ouch.
 
2013-12-23 04:51:34 PM
I'm afraid the Supreme court is no longer going to be able to dodge ruling on this.

There are going to be too many cases to claim they nobody has standing.

If you go way back to the decision to overturn the ban on gay sex, you'll see one of the conservative Justices whining that if they overturn that ban there will be nothing to keep the gays from getting married.

He was right.
 
2013-12-23 04:51:45 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Never forget that when the rapeublicans get back in power they are going to do the same shiat back to you assholes on the left.  Be careful how much you push because you're not prepared for the blowback


Translation:

mashable.com
 
2013-12-23 04:52:49 PM

Dr Dreidel: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Bet they wish they had all that Prop 8 money back now

Think of how many poor and downtrodden folks they could have helped by actually following Mr J's orders.

// not the manic guy in clown makeup and a purple suit
// the Semitic Socialist Scion, the Battered Beatnik from Bethlehem, the Nearly-Naked Nazarene from Nativity, Paul's Preachy Pastor, God's Go-to Guy in Galilee
// shall I go on?


worthy-magazine.com

To say nothing of Miss J.
 
2013-12-23 04:52:50 PM
If the nutty fundamentalist actually believe in summoning Jesus back to Earth, why don't they just turn an eye and let gay marriage become legal in all states, I'm sure that will anger Jesus and be the last straw for him to kick off his comeback tour.
 
2013-12-23 04:53:28 PM
but, but, but, IT'S ADAM AND EVE AND CHRISTINE AND CHELSEA AND ELIZABETH!

/seriously, best excuse besides not-so-subtle gay hate I hear is "the kids will be raised gay"
//somebody please help me combat the derp, I need proof their line of thought is bullshiat
///straight guy who tries to help gayfolk, no-homo
 
2013-12-23 04:54:38 PM

danknerd: If the nutty fundamentalist actually believe in summoning Jesus back to Earth, why don't they just turn an eye and let gay marriage become legal in all states, I'm sure that will anger Jesus and be the last straw for him to kick off his comeback tour.


What happens when Odin and Ra show instead and they're cool with whatever people are doing to get their freak on?
 
2013-12-23 04:54:47 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Never forget that when the rapeublicans get back in power they are going to do the same shiat back to you assholes on the left.  Be careful how much you push because you're not prepared for the blowback


You sound concerned.
 
2013-12-23 04:54:54 PM

mbillips: Serious Black: Smeggy Smurf: Never forget that when the rapeublicans get back in power they are going to do the same shiat back to you assholes on the left.  Be careful how much you push because you're not prepared for the blowback

Um, what shiat could they do to me exactly?

Ban abortion in red states. That's really their one thing. Some of them would also like to ban contraception, but that's a lot less likely to pull off.


They're already trying their very hardest to do both of those things in Kansas.
 
2013-12-23 04:55:11 PM
Help me understand.
If the religious believe that their all-knowing omnipotent god is the creator of all things and he/she/it controls absolutely everything in the universe and beyond then wouldn't the passing of gay marriage everywhere simply be his will?
If that's not the case then couldn't they just pray the gay away?

/Why people even give a shiat what other people do is beyond me when it doesn't affect them AT ALL. Seriously, grow the fark up you deluded sheep.
Obsess much?
 
2013-12-23 04:55:25 PM
America just got a little bit better.
 
2013-12-23 04:55:38 PM
Laws apply equally to all citizens. Deal with it.
 
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