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2013-12-23 03:55:44 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: kerrigand: Fark_Guy_Rob: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Fark_Guy_Rob: I don't know if 'the negroes' where happier when they were segregated

Take a wild guess.

Look at the history of race relations and civil rights advancement in this country, and take a wild farking guess.

The problem with wild guesses is that different people guess different answers.  And then think they are right, as if their guess has value.

I had a lot of trouble finding any solid data on it - but this report would suggest that 'non-white' happiness has generally increased since 1970....http://users.nber.org/~jwolfers/papers/HappinessInequality.pd f

I found some studies that show a positive correlation between happiness and a strong 'racial identity' (presumably if you were segregated by race, you'd have a strong racial identity?).  But other studies show that racially diverse neighborhoods are happier than segregated ones - but as always, correlation != causation and all that jazz.

But a lot of it depends on how you define racially diverse.  Some really 'diverse' cities have large populations of lots of different ethnic/racial groups - but they also have a bunch of small, segregated communities.

On an individual basis there is still a strong preference for marrying within one's own race (depending again on how you define race)....which some might consider segregation.

Anyway, I wouldn't call a guy racist for making a statement that may or may not be wrong.  If it is clearly wrong and he refuses to acknowledge it, then okay, maybe.  Anecdotally,  growing up I saw a lot of self-segregation....the Asian Studies Club was filled with Asian kids.  The Black frat was filled with black kids.

Similarly - I've seen studies that show women were happier (or reported being happier) in the 50s.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1189894/Women-happy-years- ag o-.html

They had less freedom and options, but that didn't translate into being less happy.

Do you really think "happiness" is located ...


That's just it. You're wanting to quantify data. You've never brought the human equation into in it. It's just data to you. Data doesn't rely on irrational thinking. That's the whole deal that your not looking at it all. If you think you are, your equations are wrong by exponential leaps and bounds.
 
2013-12-23 03:57:34 PM  

ManRay: kerrigand: You can stuff that report up your ass, it doesn't change how people feel.

Stuff a report up my ass and it will change how I feel. About a lot of things.


Yeah. would mine also...lol
 
2013-12-23 04:06:11 PM  

kerrigand: Fark_Guy_Rob: kerrigand: Fark_Guy_Rob: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Fark_Guy_Rob: I don't know if 'the negroes' where happier when they were segregated

Take a wild guess.

Look at the history of race relations and civil rights advancement in this country, and take a wild farking guess.

The problem with wild guesses is that different people guess different answers.  And then think they are right, as if their guess has value.

I had a lot of trouble finding any solid data on it - but this report would suggest that 'non-white' happiness has generally increased since 1970....http://users.nber.org/~jwolfers/papers/HappinessInequality.pd f

I found some studies that show a positive correlation between happiness and a strong 'racial identity' (presumably if you were segregated by race, you'd have a strong racial identity?).  But other studies show that racially diverse neighborhoods are happier than segregated ones - but as always, correlation != causation and all that jazz.

But a lot of it depends on how you define racially diverse.  Some really 'diverse' cities have large populations of lots of different ethnic/racial groups - but they also have a bunch of small, segregated communities.

On an individual basis there is still a strong preference for marrying within one's own race (depending again on how you define race)....which some might consider segregation.

Anyway, I wouldn't call a guy racist for making a statement that may or may not be wrong.  If it is clearly wrong and he refuses to acknowledge it, then okay, maybe.  Anecdotally,  growing up I saw a lot of self-segregation....the Asian Studies Club was filled with Asian kids.  The Black frat was filled with black kids.

Similarly - I've seen studies that show women were happier (or reported being happier) in the 50s.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1189894/Women-happy-years- ag o-.html

They had less freedom and options, but that didn't translate into being less happy.

Do you really think "happine ...


1.)  They aren't *MY* equations, or my data.
2.)  They capture the 'human' component by asking people, 'So hey - how happy do you feel?' and then comparing it to historical results.

What do you advocate as an alternative?

Some guy says 'Black people were happier during segregation'.  How do I know if he is right or wrong?
Let's say some other guys says, 'Black people are happier now'.  How do I know if he is right or wrong?
 
2013-12-23 04:08:22 PM  

Transpogue: Oh my GAWD lighten the fark up already.

Seriously.  I mean it.  2014, right around the corner.

People are jobless, hungry, wars are being fought, innocents are being killed, gun violence, disease, famine...

And this asshat wants to go off on dudes wearing underwear to promote signing up for health insurance.

Priorities.

Sigh.

/Can I give up on humanity yet?
//I really really am tempted to as of late...


Way ahead of you buddy. As a matter of fact we even have a club. We meet every thurday.
 
2013-12-23 04:11:10 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: kerrigand: Fark_Guy_Rob: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Fark_Guy_Rob: I don't know if 'the negroes' where happier when they were segregated

Take a wild guess.

Look at the history of race relations and civil rights advancement in this country, and take a wild farking guess.

The problem with wild guesses is that different people guess different answers.  And then think they are right, as if their guess has value.

I had a lot of trouble finding any solid data on it - but this report would suggest that 'non-white' happiness has generally increased since 1970....http://users.nber.org/~jwolfers/papers/HappinessInequality.pd f

I found some studies that show a positive correlation between happiness and a strong 'racial identity' (presumably if you were segregated by race, you'd have a strong racial identity?).  But other studies show that racially diverse neighborhoods are happier than segregated ones - but as always, correlation != causation and all that jazz.

But a lot of it depends on how you define racially diverse.  Some really 'diverse' cities have large populations of lots of different ethnic/racial groups - but they also have a bunch of small, segregated communities.

On an individual basis there is still a strong preference for marrying within one's own race (depending again on how you define race)....which some might consider segregation.

Anyway, I wouldn't call a guy racist for making a statement that may or may not be wrong.  If it is clearly wrong and he refuses to acknowledge it, then okay, maybe.  Anecdotally,  growing up I saw a lot of self-segregation....the Asian Studies Club was filled with Asian kids.  The Black frat was filled with black kids.

Similarly - I've seen studies that show women were happier (or reported being happier) in the 50s.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1189894/Women-happy-years- ag o-.html

They had less freedom and options, but that didn't translate into being less happy.

Do you really think "happiness" is located ...


Well, seeing as how I didn't disagree with the guy on the original quote. I don't really see how you can say that I did. .I know what you're looking for and while some of us may agree that it's  a futuristic purpose.It really doesn't have any bearing on the here and now.
 
2013-12-23 04:13:34 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Some guy says 'Black people were happier during segregation'.  How do I know if he is right or wrong?


Well you could do a simple thought experiment of "How happy do you feel today?" versus "How happy would you feel tomorrow if you had to drink from a segregated water fountain and sit at the back of the bus?" Or just think about why you've never seen a black person advocate for a return of Jim Crow laws. If they were happier back then, ostensibly someone at some time in history would've said "Remember segregation? We should bring that back."
 
2013-12-23 04:19:10 PM  

kerrigand: Fark_Guy_Rob: kerrigand: Fark_Guy_Rob: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Fark_Guy_Rob: I don't know if 'the negroes' where happier when they were segregated

Take a wild guess.

Look at the history of race relations and civil rights advancement in this country, and take a wild farking guess.

The problem with wild guesses is that different people guess different answers.  And then think they are right, as if their guess has value.

I had a lot of trouble finding any solid data on it - but this report would suggest that 'non-white' happiness has generally increased since 1970....http://users.nber.org/~jwolfers/papers/HappinessInequality.pd f

I found some studies that show a positive correlation between happiness and a strong 'racial identity' (presumably if you were segregated by race, you'd have a strong racial identity?).  But other studies show that racially diverse neighborhoods are happier than segregated ones - but as always, correlation != causation and all that jazz.

But a lot of it depends on how you define racially diverse.  Some really 'diverse' cities have large populations of lots of different ethnic/racial groups - but they also have a bunch of small, segregated communities.

On an individual basis there is still a strong preference for marrying within one's own race (depending again on how you define race)....which some might consider segregation.

Anyway, I wouldn't call a guy racist for making a statement that may or may not be wrong.  If it is clearly wrong and he refuses to acknowledge it, then okay, maybe.  Anecdotally,  growing up I saw a lot of self-segregation....the Asian Studies Club was filled with Asian kids.  The Black frat was filled with black kids.

Similarly - I've seen studies that show women were happier (or reported being happier) in the 50s.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1189894/Women-happy-years- ag o-.html

They had less freedom and options, but that didn't translate into being less happy.

Do you really think "happine ...


I'm only claiming that you've advocated against the use of empirical data with regards to happiness levels.  Which you clearly have done in this thread.

And I'm asking you, sincerely, how I can determine whether a claim regarding happiness is true or false; without a study or data?  Someone has claimed black people were happier during segregation....I'm not black, I wasn't alive during segregation.  I have no first hand experience to draw from....

I can find studies that suggest black people were not happier during segregation....but you've clearly indicated I can't use those.

So what CAN I use?
 
2013-12-23 04:21:37 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: kerrigand: Fark_Guy_Rob: kerrigand: Fark_Guy_Rob: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Fark_Guy_Rob: I don't know if 'the negroes' where happier when they were segregated

Take a wild guess.

Look at the history of race relations and civil rights advancement in this country, and take a wild farking guess.

The problem with wild guesses is that different people guess different answers.  And then think they are right, as if their guess has value.

I had a lot of trouble finding any solid data on it - but this report would suggest that 'non-white' happiness has generally increased since 1970....http://users.nber.org/~jwolfers/papers/HappinessInequality.pd f

I found some studies that show a positive correlation between happiness and a strong 'racial identity' (presumably if you were segregated by race, you'd have a strong racial identity?).  But other studies show that racially diverse neighborhoods are happier than segregated ones - but as always, correlation != causation and all that jazz.

But a lot of it depends on how you define racially diverse.  Some really 'diverse' cities have large populations of lots of different ethnic/racial groups - but they also have a bunch of small, segregated communities.

On an individual basis there is still a strong preference for marrying within one's own race (depending again on how you define race)....which some might consider segregation.

Anyway, I wouldn't call a guy racist for making a statement that may or may not be wrong.  If it is clearly wrong and he refuses to acknowledge it, then okay, maybe.  Anecdotally,  growing up I saw a lot of self-segregation....the Asian Studies Club was filled with Asian kids.  The Black frat was filled with black kids.

Similarly - I've seen studies that show women were happier (or reported being happier) in the 50s.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1189894/Women-happy-years- ag o-.html

They had less freedom and options, but that didn't translate into being less happy.

Do you really thi ...

 As I see it right as of this moment, there is no alternative other than to live with what we have to live with. You can't change peoples minds, no matter how hard you. They're human, as well as you are.

I know that you're trying to bait me into a conversation that you don't want to deal with, so I'll bring it to you, you want someone to deal with it for you. Thats what make us human. You don't want to deal with this, and so you cower away from it. So, you throw it back onto my shoulders to deal with it for you.
I've said mine, now you tell me how we can truly change minds and thusly end this situation. But, that's not going to work this time. You need to state what you actually feel and not what others have said before you.
 
2013-12-23 04:25:45 PM  

kerrigand: Fark_Guy_Rob: kerrigand: Fark_Guy_Rob: kerrigand: Fark_Guy_Rob: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Fark_Guy_Rob: I don't know if 'the negroes' where happier when they were segregated

Take a wild guess.

Look at the history of race relations and civil rights advancement in this country, and take a wild farking guess.

The problem with wild guesses is that different people guess different answers.  And then think they are right, as if their guess has value.

I had a lot of trouble finding any solid data on it - but this report would suggest that 'non-white' happiness has generally increased since 1970....http://users.nber.org/~jwolfers/papers/HappinessInequality.pd f

I found some studies that show a positive correlation between happiness and a strong 'racial identity' (presumably if you were segregated by race, you'd have a strong racial identity?).  But other studies show that racially diverse neighborhoods are happier than segregated ones - but as always, correlation != causation and all that jazz.

But a lot of it depends on how you define racially diverse.  Some really 'diverse' cities have large populations of lots of different ethnic/racial groups - but they also have a bunch of small, segregated communities.

On an individual basis there is still a strong preference for marrying within one's own race (depending again on how you define race)....which some might consider segregation.

Anyway, I wouldn't call a guy racist for making a statement that may or may not be wrong.  If it is clearly wrong and he refuses to acknowledge it, then okay, maybe.  Anecdotally,  growing up I saw a lot of self-segregation....the Asian Studies Club was filled with Asian kids.  The Black frat was filled with black kids.

Similarly - I've seen studies that show women were happier (or reported being happier) in the 50s.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1189894/Women-happy-years- ag o-.html

They had less freedom and options, but that didn't translate into being less happy.

Do ...

that's three times in the same paragraph that I've called you on it to just say what you think is real.
That may be a record...

I'll have to check and see.
 
2013-12-23 04:29:50 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: kerrigand: Fark_Guy_Rob: kerrigand: Fark_Guy_Rob: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Fark_Guy_Rob: I don't know if 'the negroes' where happier when they were segregated

Take a wild guess.

Look at the history of race relations and civil rights advancement in this country, and take a wild farking guess.

The problem with wild guesses is that different people guess different answers.  And then think they are right, as if their guess has value.

I had a lot of trouble finding any solid data on it - but this report would suggest that 'non-white' happiness has generally increased since 1970....http://users.nber.org/~jwolfers/papers/HappinessInequality.pd f

I found some studies that show a positive correlation between happiness and a strong 'racial identity' (presumably if you were segregated by race, you'd have a strong racial identity?).  But other studies show that racially diverse neighborhoods are happier than segregated ones - but as always, correlation != causation and all that jazz.

But a lot of it depends on how you define racially diverse.  Some really 'diverse' cities have large populations of lots of different ethnic/racial groups - but they also have a bunch of small, segregated communities.

On an individual basis there is still a strong preference for marrying within one's own race (depending again on how you define race)....which some might consider segregation.

Anyway, I wouldn't call a guy racist for making a statement that may or may not be wrong.  If it is clearly wrong and he refuses to acknowledge it, then okay, maybe.  Anecdotally,  growing up I saw a lot of self-segregation....the Asian Studies Club was filled with Asian kids.  The Black frat was filled with black kids.

Similarly - I've seen studies that show women were happier (or reported being happier) in the 50s.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1189894/Women-happy-years- ag o-.html

They had less freedom and options, but that didn't translate into being less happy.

Do you really thi ...


I'll go for ya.
How do you quatify happiness? Is it through a study, is it through a report?
Apparently we all have to quantify happiness through one of these otherwise, we're not happy.
 
2013-12-23 04:30:33 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Fark_Guy_Rob: Some guy says 'Black people were happier during segregation'.  How do I know if he is right or wrong?

Well you could do a simple thought experiment of "How happy do you feel today?" versus "How happy would you feel tomorrow if you had to drink from a segregated water fountain and sit at the back of the bus?" Or just think about why you've never seen a black person advocate for a return of Jim Crow laws. If they were happier back then, ostensibly someone at some time in history would've said "Remember segregation? We should bring that back."


The thing is - thought experiments are often wrong.  And two people can easily get different results.

I 'thought' I would enjoy playing the guitar.  I went out and I bought one.  And I learned that I was wrong.  I didn't enjoy playing the guitar.  A lot of things I've learned from experience were counter-intuitive.  And it's not just me - LOTS of people have trouble imagining what life will really be like or imagining how they will feel.  Look at how many people go to college only to drop out.  Or who elect one major only to change it to another major.  Or people who change career after realizing their job isn't what they wanted.  Or people who get married 'imagining' a happy life together - only to find out they are wrong.

And, more importantly, if I'm *not* part of a particular group, I might not have the background required to understand what it would be like to be them.  I'm not religious - I can't imagine what it would be like to be shunned by my church.  I had a friend growing up who had a 4.0 GPA their whole life.  I was happy if I had a 2.0.  When I got a B+ *I* felt good....but when he got his first B+ as a junior in College he seemed near suicidal.  I don't think I can really understand what that was like for him.  Because to me, it's just kind of 'meh - whatever.'

I don't have first-hand experience being black.  But I do know there are still plenty of examples of racism but it's a lot more covert.  Maybe that's just as bad or worse, because we pretend like everyone has an equal shot at things in the US (but they don't).  At least in segregation times, people knew they were being given a raw deal?  *I* don't know.  And that's my point.

The only reasonable thing for me to do would be to ask someone who has experience with it.  And that would be biased because any ONE person is likely to hold different beliefs than the group at large.  So, then I'd want to ask a lot of people.  I'd want to make sure I asked a representative sample of people too.  At which point, we're talking about doing a study.  And that's what I was advocating (and until we have actual data, it's hardly fair to say someone is *racist*, at least in the general case).
 
2013-12-23 04:35:37 PM  

kerrigand: Fark_Guy_Rob: kerrigand: Fark_Guy_Rob: kerrigand: Fark_Guy_Rob: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Fark_Guy_Rob: I don't know if 'the negroes' where happier when they were segregated

Take a wild guess.

Look at the history of race relations and civil rights advancement in this country, and take a wild farking guess.

The problem with wild guesses is that different people guess different answers.  And then think they are right, as if their guess has value.

I had a lot of trouble finding any solid data on it - but this report would suggest that 'non-white' happiness has generally increased since 1970....http://users.nber.org/~jwolfers/papers/HappinessInequality.pd f

I found some studies that show a positive correlation between happiness and a strong 'racial identity' (presumably if you were segregated by race, you'd have a strong racial identity?).  But other studies show that racially diverse neighborhoods are happier than segregated ones - but as always, correlation != causation and all that jazz.

But a lot of it depends on how you define racially diverse.  Some really 'diverse' cities have large populations of lots of different ethnic/racial groups - but they also have a bunch of small, segregated communities.

On an individual basis there is still a strong preference for marrying within one's own race (depending again on how you define race)....which some might consider segregation.

Anyway, I wouldn't call a guy racist for making a statement that may or may not be wrong.  If it is clearly wrong and he refuses to acknowledge it, then okay, maybe.  Anecdotally,  growing up I saw a lot of self-segregation....the Asian Studies Club was filled with Asian kids.  The Black frat was filled with black kids.

Similarly - I've seen studies that show women were happier (or reported being happier) in the 50s.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1189894/Women-happy-years- ag o-.html

They had less freedom and options, but that didn't translate into being less happy.

Do ...


I don't mean any disrespect; but is English not your first language?  I feel like we're having communication problems here.

Feelings are subjective.  Yes.  You can't objectively measure any individual person's happiness.  But you can ASK THEM if they are happy.  And that's what these researches have done.

So, I'd ask you, 'How happy are you today, on a scale from 1 to 10'?  And you might say 5.
Next day , I'd ask you, 'How happy are you today, on a scale from 1 to 10?'  And you might say 6.

I don't know if you are happier than your neighbor or your roommate or your brother.  But I could say you are happier than you were yesterday.

If I ask a representative sample of some group of people (Fark users) and 500 Fakers answer my question and I average it and I get 7.5 this week.  And next week - I get 8.3.  Well, might be able to say that it seems like Farkers are getting happier - possibly because of Christmas?

If I did this every year, for decades, I could talk about meaningful trends in happiness among Farkers.  The numbers provided would always be subjective, supplied by an individual, yes.  But that doesn't mean they are useless.  Subjective scales are used in a lot of things, including medical science (pain scales).
 
2013-12-23 04:48:49 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Fark_Guy_Rob: Some guy says 'Black people were happier during segregation'.  How do I know if he is right or wrong?

Well you could do a simple thought experiment of "How happy do you feel today?" versus "How happy would you feel tomorrow if you had to drink from a segregated water fountain and sit at the back of the bus?" Or just think about why you've never seen a black person advocate for a return of Jim Crow laws. If they were happier back then, ostensibly someone at some time in history would've said "Remember segregation? We should bring that back."

The thing is - thought experiments are often wrong.  And two people can easily get different results.

I 'thought' I would enjoy playing the guitar.  I went out and I bought one.  And I learned that I was wrong.  I didn't enjoy playing the guitar.  A lot of things I've learned from experience were counter-intuitive.  And it's not just me - LOTS of people have trouble imagining what life will really be like or imagining how they will feel.  Look at how many people go to college only to drop out.  Or who elect one major only to change it to another major.  Or people who change career after realizing their job isn't what they wanted.  Or people who get married 'imagining' a happy life together - only to find out they are wrong.

And, more importantly, if I'm *not* part of a particular group, I might not have the background required to understand what it would be like to be them.  I'm not religious - I can't imagine what it would be like to be shunned by my church.  I had a friend growing up who had a 4.0 GPA their whole life.  I was happy if I had a 2.0.  When I got a B+ *I* felt good....but when he got his first B+ as a junior in College he seemed near suicidal.  I don't think I can really understand what that was like for him.  Because to me, it's just kind of 'meh - whatever.'

I don't have first-hand experience being black.  But I do know there are still plenty of examples of racism ...


Neither do most of us, but happiness subjective.
Who are you to say that we're not happy.
That's just it, who are you to say that people are or aren't happy.
You can study all the groups you want to.
But to say that one is or isn't happy, is probably your adjectiveness of happy.
Why is it so impossible for you to realize that some people are actually happy at what they do and what they enjoy?
Why it that? Because you're not?
They need to be unhappy because you are?
 
2013-12-23 04:53:13 PM  

kerrigand: Fark_Guy_Rob: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Fark_Guy_Rob: Some guy says 'Black people were happier during segregation'.  How do I know if he is right or wrong?

Well you could do a simple thought experiment of "How happy do you feel today?" versus "How happy would you feel tomorrow if you had to drink from a segregated water fountain and sit at the back of the bus?" Or just think about why you've never seen a black person advocate for a return of Jim Crow laws. If they were happier back then, ostensibly someone at some time in history would've said "Remember segregation? We should bring that back."

The thing is - thought experiments are often wrong.  And two people can easily get different results.

I 'thought' I would enjoy playing the guitar.  I went out and I bought one.  And I learned that I was wrong.  I didn't enjoy playing the guitar.  A lot of things I've learned from experience were counter-intuitive.  And it's not just me - LOTS of people have trouble imagining what life will really be like or imagining how they will feel.  Look at how many people go to college only to drop out.  Or who elect one major only to change it to another major.  Or people who change career after realizing their job isn't what they wanted.  Or people who get married 'imagining' a happy life together - only to find out they are wrong.

And, more importantly, if I'm *not* part of a particular group, I might not have the background required to understand what it would be like to be them.  I'm not religious - I can't imagine what it would be like to be shunned by my church.  I had a friend growing up who had a 4.0 GPA their whole life.  I was happy if I had a 2.0.  When I got a B+ *I* felt good....but when he got his first B+ as a junior in College he seemed near suicidal.  I don't think I can really understand what that was like for him.  Because to me, it's just kind of 'meh - whatever.'

I don't have first-hand experience being black.  But I do know there are still plenty of exam ...


Fark_Guy_Rob: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Fark_Guy_Rob: Some guy says 'Black people were happier during segregation'.  How do I know if he is right or wrong?

Well you could do a simple thought experiment of "How happy do you feel today?" versus "How happy would you feel tomorrow if you had to drink from a segregated water fountain and sit at the back of the bus?" Or just think about why you've never seen a black person advocate for a return of Jim Crow laws. If they were happier back then, ostensibly someone at some time in history would've said "Remember segregation? We should bring that back."

The thing is - thought experiments are often wrong.  And two people can easily get different results.

I 'thought' I would enjoy playing the guitar.  I went out and I bought one.  And I learned that I was wrong.  I didn't enjoy playing the guitar.  A lot of things I've learned from experience were counter-intuitive.  And it's not just me - LOTS of people have trouble imagining what life will really be like or imagining how they will feel.  Look at how many people go to college only to drop out.  Or who elect one major only to change it to another major.  Or people who change career after realizing their job isn't what they wanted.  Or people who get married 'imagining' a happy life together - only to find out they are wrong.

And, more importantly, if I'm *not* part of a particular group, I might not have the background required to understand what it would be like to be them.  I'm not religious - I can't imagine what it would be like to be shunned by my church.  I had a friend growing up who had a 4.0 GPA their whole life.  I was happy if I had a 2.0.  When I got a B+ *I* felt good....but when he got his first B+ as a junior in College he seemed near suicidal.  I don't think I can really understand what that was like for him.  Because to me, it's just kind of 'meh - whatever.'

I don't have first-hand experience being black.  But I do know there are still plenty of examples of racism ...


Neither do most of us, but happiness subjective.
Who are you to say that we're not happy.
That's just it, who are you to say that people are or aren't happy.
You can study all the groups you want to.
But to say that one is or isn't happy, is probably your adjectiveness of happy.
Why is it so impossible for you to realize that some people are actually happy at what they do and what they enjoy?
Why it that? Because you're not?
They need to be unhappy because you are?

Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds?
Think about that for a minute.
 
2013-12-23 04:56:46 PM  

kerrigand: Fark_Guy_Rob: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Fark_Guy_Rob: Some guy says 'Black people were happier during segregation'.  How do I know if he is right or wrong?

Well you could do a simple thought experiment of "How happy do you feel today?" versus "How happy would you feel tomorrow if you had to drink from a segregated water fountain and sit at the back of the bus?" Or just think about why you've never seen a black person advocate for a return of Jim Crow laws. If they were happier back then, ostensibly someone at some time in history would've said "Remember segregation? We should bring that back."

The thing is - thought experiments are often wrong.  And two people can easily get different results.

I 'thought' I would enjoy playing the guitar.  I went out and I bought one.  And I learned that I was wrong.  I didn't enjoy playing the guitar.  A lot of things I've learned from experience were counter-intuitive.  And it's not just me - LOTS of people have trouble imagining what life will really be like or imagining how they will feel.  Look at how many people go to college only to drop out.  Or who elect one major only to change it to another major.  Or people who change career after realizing their job isn't what they wanted.  Or people who get married 'imagining' a happy life together - only to find out they are wrong.

And, more importantly, if I'm *not* part of a particular group, I might not have the background required to understand what it would be like to be them.  I'm not religious - I can't imagine what it would be like to be shunned by my church.  I had a friend growing up who had a 4.0 GPA their whole life.  I was happy if I had a 2.0.  When I got a B+ *I* felt good....but when he got his first B+ as a junior in College he seemed near suicidal.  I don't think I can really understand what that was like for him.  Because to me, it's just kind of 'meh - whatever.'

I don't have first-hand experience being black.  But I do know there are still plenty of exam ...


Neither do most of us, but happiness subjective.
Agreed.

Who are you to say that we're not happy.
*I* am not saying anyone else is or isn't happy.  Researches are asking people if they are happy and recording the results.

That's just it, who are you to say that people are or aren't happy.
Again, I am not saying that.

You can study all the groups you want to.
Thanks.  I'm glad I have your blessing.

But to say that one is or isn't happy, is probably your adjectiveness of happy.
Individual people are self-reporting their level of happiness.

Why is it so impossible for you to realize that some people are actually happy at what they do and what they enjoy?
I have never said anything that would imply nobody is happy.  I have no idea where you are getting this stuff from.

Why it that? Because you're not?
I've never given any indication of whether or not I'm happy.  It seems odd that you would imply that I'm not a happy person.

They need to be unhappy because you are?
I've never claimed anyone was unhappy and I've certainly never claimed that anyone NEEDS to be unhappy.  And I've also never expressed any indication of my own level of happiness.

I feel like we're having two very different conversations.  Maybe I've had too much to drink.  I don't feel like we're going to reach any sort of common ground though, so I'll respectfully say Good Night (it's night time here).
 
2013-12-23 05:38:56 PM  

machoprogrammer: At least they aren't saying the Green Party candidate should be lynched and then dragged dead behind a truck for daring to run against Democrats like Dan Savage did.

Seriously, fark that asshole.


The only time it's bad for minor party candidates to run is in close races where they throw the election to the Republican, which was what set Savage off on his rant. Thanks, Ralph Nader, for eight years of George W. Bush, and just as many thanks to your little Naderettes who've helped jerks like Santorum stay in office.
 
2013-12-23 06:41:34 PM  

vernonFL: "...Promoting the harmful stereotype that gay men are nothing more than sex crazed lechers... "


I am so much more than a sex crazed lecher.

I drink and do drugs, too!


+1
 
2013-12-23 06:47:30 PM  
stereotype that gay men are nothing more than sex crazed lechers

All men are sex crazed lechers. Gay men just like a different flavor of sex.
 
2013-12-23 06:59:24 PM  
Oh, please... Straight men and women have been sexualized for ages, now. Quitcher biatchin.
 
2013-12-23 07:34:16 PM  
"Gay republican" has such an undignified connotation to it. Like "black conservative" or "white democrat" or "male feminist".
 
2013-12-23 09:48:38 PM  
Gay Republican = Don't ask, don't tell.
 
2013-12-23 10:04:54 PM  

Buttknuckle: Sign me up!  That's hot.

/Republican gays can suck it!


Republican gays don't suck it.  They just hang around airport bathrooms hoping someone else will.
 
2013-12-24 01:00:28 AM  

vernonFL: "...Promoting the harmful stereotype that gay men are nothing more than sex crazed lechers... "


I am so much more than a sex crazed lecher.

I drink and do drugs, too!


^^ I wanna party with you.
 
2013-12-24 01:25:30 AM  
Wow.  It's like a sea of red.  I'm betting this is gonna be a fun thread.
 
2013-12-24 01:27:31 AM  

DirkTheDaring: What men without underwear may look like. NSFW

Don't know if they're gay or not. I didn't ask.


This merits further study.
 
2013-12-24 02:30:10 AM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: The Lone Gunman: 2)  I have to agree with the Log Cabin Republicans.  While I question the wisdom of being a member of a party that hates you, I think that if you had a commercial encouraging black people to sign up by saying "Put down that fried chicken and go to the ACA website," it would deserve just as much outcry.  You can't ask to be treated equally and then act like your own stereotype.

It was just dudes in their underwear frolicking about, so I don't see it as all that analogous to "put down the fried chicken." Without the explicit mentions of signing up for health insurance, the commercial wasn't all that different from one selling Old Spice, beer, or any number of products - pretty much all of them - we advertise with sex. Shirtless hard bodies catch your eye, regardless of orientation.

It's not necessarily a stereotype like "look at those gays, shoving their junk down our throats again."


What other (male) group does this to make a political point?  It's very different from, for example, the Joe Boxer ads.
 
2013-12-24 10:23:39 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: This thread is going to get out of control. Some of these replies make me think of Patrick Stewart in Jeffrey.


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