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(Sports Illustrated)   I haven't seen a collapse like this since the fall of the Roman Empire   (nfl.si.com) divider line 58
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2013-12-23 09:17:26 AM  
I would argue that Detroit's collapse has been pretty bad, but it's also Detroit and any hope they'll survive to the playoffs is misguided at best
 
2013-12-23 09:48:38 AM  
That article was not about the Atlanta Falcons.
 
2013-12-23 09:49:48 AM  

nmrsnr: That article was not about the Atlanta Falcons.


They've been bad all season
 
2013-12-23 09:56:01 AM  
Collapse? Really?

This was a division game. Arizona is no longer afraid of its division foes and took the fight to the Seahawks. Nothing more than a division slugfest. Good game too.
 
2013-12-23 09:57:15 AM  

somedude210: They've been bad all season


I suppose, but the Seahawks didn't play that badly and are still reaching the playoffs, so the headline still doesn't make sense.
 
2013-12-23 10:09:12 AM  
Subby, I am disappoint.
 
2013-12-23 10:18:33 AM  
No biggy, Richard Sherman was just off cycle on his "Adderall"
 
2013-12-23 10:20:02 AM  
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2013-12-23 10:20:20 AM  

Nadie_AZ: Collapse? Really?

This was a division game. Arizona is no longer afraid of its division foes and took the fight to the Seahawks. Nothing more than a division slugfest. Good game too.


Yeah, this. There were at least three better candidates for this headline (Detroit, Kansas City, and Chicago) than the Seahawks.
 
2013-12-23 10:20:30 AM  
Yeah, losing to a team that was 9-5 and is now 10-5 is absolutely horrible. In comparison, the blown call that Karlos Dansby made the pick right before the 2-minute warning is tiddlywinks.
 
2013-12-23 10:25:08 AM  

Incorrigible Astronaut: Nadie_AZ: Collapse? Really?

This was a division game. Arizona is no longer afraid of its division foes and took the fight to the Seahawks. Nothing more than a division slugfest. Good game too.

Yeah, this. There were at least three better candidates for this headline (Detroit, Kansas City, and Chicago) than the Seahawks.


Honorable mention goes to Houston who have lost 13 in a row and were supposed to be Superb Owl contenders this year.

Seattle can still lock up the #1 seed with a win against the Rams next week. Meanwhile the Bears D just gave up another TD
 
2013-12-23 10:27:06 AM  

nmrsnr: That article was not about the Atlanta Falcons

Houston Texans.
 
2013-12-23 10:29:22 AM  
{wall-of-text rant about how the mods are biased against my team and how badly the conversation on the sports tab has declined}

/good job Cards, you went out there and took it to them
 
2013-12-23 10:29:38 AM  
It could be crazy ending for the NFC West. You could have an 11-5 Cardinals missing the playoffs and it i still mathematically possible for the 49ers to either get the NFC number on seed or miss the playoffs all together.
 
2013-12-23 10:36:05 AM  
I am going to bet that subby didn't really see the fall of the Roman Empire...
 
2013-12-23 10:40:27 AM  

somedude210: I would argue that Detroit's collapse has been pretty bad, but it's also Detroit and any hope they'll survive to the playoffs is misguided at best


The Giants, man. The farking New York Giants.

@ Detroit .

Like I said before that game, even if they came into the game at 13-1 and lost they seriosuly should not be allowed in the playoffs. If everyone doesn't get fired for that game alone, then I'd feel even worse for those fans.
 
2013-12-23 10:42:51 AM  

Mind of the North Star: Like I said before that game, even if they came into the game at 13-1 and lost they seriosuly should not be allowed in the playoffs. If everyone doesn't get fired for that game alone, then I'd feel even worse for those fans.


I still like Stafford and I think with the right receivers, he can kick some serious ass. That said, Detroit is also like the harbinger of end times. If they win, we're all screwed.
 
2013-12-23 10:45:13 AM  
The Roman Empire didn't really collapse.

It just sort of withered away. Slowly. Took centuries.

This game is not in any way comparable to that.
 
2013-12-23 10:45:35 AM  

Klivian: Incorrigible Astronaut: Nadie_AZ: Collapse? Really?

This was a division game. Arizona is no longer afraid of its division foes and took the fight to the Seahawks. Nothing more than a division slugfest. Good game too.

Yeah, this. There were at least three better candidates for this headline (Detroit, Kansas City, and Chicago) than the Seahawks.

Honorable mention goes to Houston who have lost 13 in a row and were supposed to be Superb Owl contenders this year.

Seattle can still lock up the #1 seed with a win against the Rams next week. Meanwhile the Bears D just gave up another TD


Houston's collapse- like Atlanta's- has happened over the entire season, though. I was talking about the teams that had a chance to either lock up a playoff spot or move up that completely blew it yesterday, either by losing to bottom dwellers (Detroit, Miami) or getting blown out by other playoff teams (KC, Chicago, Baltimore).
 
2013-12-23 10:53:03 AM  
Houston has had the collapse of forever... it reminds me of the 13-3 Titans starting the next year 0-6, only at least the Titans turned things around and won 8 of their last 10 games that year... Houston had been to the playoffs two years a row, and somehow manages to lose 13 games in a row without ya know... huge injuries - i mean the teams actually in the playoffs have had to deal with way more injuries than the Texans, but somehow the Texans keep managing to find ways to lose

remember week 2 when the AFC South was supposedly going to come down to the Texans vs. resurgent Titans? haha
 
2013-12-23 10:53:09 AM  
They should have soccer-style relegation in the NFL instead of the conferences and divisions.

Put teams that are always good like New England and New Orleans and Denver and more recently Seattle in the top tier and teams like the Jets and Browns and Bills in the bottom tier.  Then the top 12 teams from the top tier make the playoffs while the bottom 4 get relegated to the bottom tier for next season.  The top four teams from the bottom tier get relegated to the top tier for next season as their reward.  Then, if a team goes 11-5 either they make the playoffs or they get rewarded with a promotion.
 
2013-12-23 10:54:05 AM  

Ishkur: The Roman Empire didn't really collapse.

It just sort of withered away. Slowly. Took centuries.

This game is not in any way comparable to that.


so the Dallas Cowboys are the Roman Empire?
 
2013-12-23 10:55:18 AM  
Talk about a shiatty weekend for Washington sports fans.....WSU snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, and then Seahawks losing at home.

/On the bright side, I'm not a Coug fan.
//So I have that going for me.
///Which is nice.
 
rka
2013-12-23 10:59:48 AM  

SlothB77: They should have soccer-style relegation in the NFL instead of the conferences and divisions.


And what problem are you trying to solve with this scheme in the first place?

In your world, teams like Kansas City, who had a putrid record in 2012 so they would be in your bottom tier in 2013, can complete a remarkable turnaround and all they could really hope for this year is to be promoted to the top tier. No playoffs for the Chefs. Just a pat on the head and a seat at the big boy table?

On the face of it that sounds retarded. Which of the bottom tier team owners in your mind would ever approve of such a thing? Oh yes, put me in the special ed division!
 
2013-12-23 11:03:43 AM  
Is it just me, or are sports fans a teensy bit perfectionist?
 
2013-12-23 11:04:32 AM  

rka: On the face of it that sounds retarded. Which of the bottom tier team owners in your mind would ever approve of such a thing? Oh yes, put me in the special ed division!


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2013-12-23 11:06:25 AM  
The Cardinals may be for real, but they aren't heading for the playoffs.

They have to rely on the Falcons beating the Niners or the Bucs beating the Saints.
 
2013-12-23 11:08:39 AM  

AdamK: Ishkur: The Roman Empire didn't really collapse.

It just sort of withered away. Slowly. Took centuries.

This game is not in any way comparable to that.

so the Dallas Cowboys are the Roman Empire?



no emperor can compare to the arrogance, excess, and ineptitude of Skeletor Jones
 
2013-12-23 11:11:38 AM  

dywed88: The Cardinals may be for real, but they aren't heading for the playoffs.

They have to rely on the Falcons beating the Niners or the Bucs beating the Saints.


The Bucs have been playing better as of late, and you never know with divisional games.

That being said, I'd (obviously) pick the Saints at home with everything on the line.
 
2013-12-23 11:15:59 AM  
I'm so sick if hyperbole my head is literally about to explode off my shoulders.
 
2013-12-23 11:16:03 AM  

Dafatone: dywed88: The Cardinals may be for real, but they aren't heading for the playoffs.

They have to rely on the Falcons beating the Niners or the Bucs beating the Saints.

The Bucs have been playing better as of late, and you never know with divisional games.

That being said, I'd (obviously) pick the Saints at home with everything on the line.


The Bucs will beat the Saints. They always beat the Saints in these situations. In 2009, they upset the Saints in New Orleans when the Saints would have nailed down the top seed in the NFC with a win (Minnesota lost in OT to Chicago on Monday night right after, so the Saints ended up backing into it). They get to play spoilers and they will do it. I'm going to sell my tickets. There is no point in being there when the hammer drops.
 
2013-12-23 11:30:33 AM  
As a Redskins fan I feel it is my duty to throw their name in the ring. But then again, every day that Dan Snyder is the owner is a day without hope.
 
2013-12-23 11:32:16 AM  
No team this season has collapsed worse than the Detroit Lions.

Six weeks ago the division title was being handed to them on a silver platter.

Now, they aren't even going to make the playoffs, despite having a 4-1 division record.

Detroit's skid has been epic(ly painful) to watch.
 
2013-12-23 11:34:57 AM  

rka: And what problem are you trying to solve with this scheme in the first place?


I'm not going to say I like the idea, but it has (at least) two distinct upsides:

1) You get better matchups and fewer blowouts, since the best teams play each other, and the worst teams play each other. Who really cared about the Broncos/Texans game yesterday?

2) You can't possibly have a team like the 7-9 Seahawks go to the playoffs over a 10-6 team.
 
2013-12-23 11:38:24 AM  

nmrsnr: 2) You can't possibly have a team like the 7-9 Seahawks go to the playoffs over a 10-6 team.



Haters gonna hate.

/Hawks proved they deserved to be in those playoffs.
 
2013-12-23 11:55:22 AM  

nmrsnr: rka: And what problem are you trying to solve with this scheme in the first place?

I'm not going to say I like the idea, but it has (at least) two distinct upsides:

1) You get better matchups and fewer blowouts, since the best teams play each other, and the worst teams play each other. Who really cared about the Broncos/Texans game yesterday?

2) You can't possibly have a team like the 7-9 Seahawks go to the playoffs over a 10-6 team.


My response is that the NFL is supposed to be about parity. Any team has a shot.

That being said, the pack or the bears should be stripped of the playoff birth matter who wins. They suck. Oh and I want a pony and the bills to destroy the patriots in the Super Bowl....

/and a new car
//a new house
///Brazilian dollars
////brazillion women
 
2013-12-23 11:56:03 AM  

R5D4: No team this season has collapsed worse than the Detroit Lions.

Six weeks ago the division title was being handed to them on a silver platter.

Now, they aren't even going to make the playoffs, despite having a 4-1 division record.

Detroit's skid has been epic(ly painful) to watch.


When everyone was saying Detroit was a lock for the division title, any true Detroit fan would correct them.  I know I called it.
 
2013-12-23 11:58:02 AM  

nmrsnr: As a Redskins fan I feel it is my duty to throw their name in the ring. But then again, every day that Dan Snyder is the owner is a day without hope.


You can't collapse something until you've built it.
 
2013-12-23 12:02:30 PM  

Dr Dreidel: nmrsnr: As a Redskins fan I feel it is my duty to throw their name in the ring. But then again, every day that Dan Snyder is the owner is a day without hope.

You can't collapse something until you've built it.


They somehow won the division last year.
 
2013-12-23 12:03:35 PM  

nmrsnr: rka: And what problem are you trying to solve with this scheme in the first place?

I'm not going to say I like the idea, but it has (at least) two distinct upsides:

1) You get better matchups and fewer blowouts, since the best teams play each other, and the worst teams play each other. Who really cared about the Broncos/Texans game yesterday?

2) You can't possibly have a team like the 7-9 Seahawks go to the playoffs over a 10-6 team.


I think this season proves both those points wrong.

Assuming you take last year as a base line to split the temas, the Cardinals, Saints, Panthers, and Chiefs, all 10 plus win teams this year, would not be elligible for the playoffs while the Falcons, Redskins and Texans would be in the top teir.

Hell, you would have 3 teams from the NFC North qualifying for the upper tier. And with the garbage in the group, you might get one eliminated and two make the playoffs.

Thirty years ago such an idea might be better, but with the parity of the league making teams easily capable of going from dreadful to contender and vice versa it does not make sense.
 
2013-12-23 12:04:51 PM  

machoprogrammer: No biggy, Richard Sherman was just off cycle on his "Adderall"


The defense and Sherman's two picks were not the problem.
 
2013-12-23 12:17:56 PM  
The Cardinals took advantage of an awful NFC West to make the playoffs and then Super Bowl in 2008. Therefore, I don't feel sorry for them probably missing the playoffs this year. Their own storyline of 2008 proves you never know what happens with a "bad" team that "shouldn't" make the playoffs.
 
2013-12-23 12:19:47 PM  

nmrsnr: Dr Dreidel: nmrsnr: As a Redskins fan I feel it is my duty to throw their name in the ring. But then again, every day that Dan Snyder is the owner is a day without hope.

You can't collapse something until you've built it.

They somehow won the division last year.


And the 7-9 Seahawks made the playoffs.

Dan Snyder hasn't "built a storied franchise", he's knocked a few stories off the one that Marshall/Cooke built. That's all I meant.
 
2013-12-23 12:26:31 PM  
You can't troll the trollhawks, sub. Gtfo with that shiat.
 
2013-12-23 12:32:18 PM  

Wasilla Hillbilly: You can't troll the trollhawks, sub. Gtfo with that shiat.


I hope they lose to St Loius and the Niners take the number one seed. Then they will get trolled.

If them and the Broncos get knocked down it would be a nice crazy way to end the regular season.
 
2013-12-23 12:35:25 PM  

AdamK: Houston has had the collapse of forever... it reminds me of the 13-3 Titans starting the next year 0-6, only at least the Titans turned things around and won 8 of their last 10 games that year... Houston had been to the playoffs two years a row, and somehow manages to lose 13 games in a row without ya know... huge injuries - i mean the teams actually in the playoffs have had to deal with way more injuries than the Texans, but somehow the Texans keep managing to find ways to lose

remember week 2 when the AFC South was supposedly going to come down to the Texans vs. resurgent Titans? haha


To be fair, I'd say Arian Foster going down is a pretty "huge" injury.
 
2013-12-23 12:35:31 PM  
The lions have only been beaten by another team once this season. Every other loss came by their own ineptitude and poor coaching. If this team wore any other jersey they'd be 14-1 right now.
 
2013-12-23 12:36:52 PM  
It wasn't a collapse. The Cards just outplayed Seattle. Well, the defense outplayed them. The Cards offense didn't deserve to win that game for the most part. Palmer was crap but made the big throw when he needed it on the TD pass to Floyd.

And having just read through the Sunday NFL thread and seeing a lot of the referee complaining, I have to note that the Cards got screwed by the officials quite a bit in that game in Philly a couple of weeks ago so it does come around. That said, the last interception of Wilson shouldn't have been a pick. I thought it hit the ground, but wasn't surprised that they didn't overturn it just because the camera views weren't good enough to call it.
 
2013-12-23 01:30:34 PM  
The hell? The Seahawks had a terrible game, but until proven otherwise they're hardly collapsing.  While the case can be made that they have played some seriously bad games this season and still won, that's what winning teams do: they still win most games in which they play poorly.

Now, if the Rams beat them next week, and they go on to lose to the Eagles in Philly? That'd be a total collapse and I don't know if Seattle, as a sports city, could recover from that. The amount of complaining that the league had it in for them would collapse the Internet coming out of the PNW, and we'd never hear from them again.

/go Rams
//that hurt to type
//slashies come in fives, like Lombardis
 
2013-12-23 02:13:50 PM  

The_Sponge: Talk about a shiatty weekend for Washington sports fans.....WSU snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, and then Seahawks losing at home.

/On the bright side, I'm not a Coug fan.
//So I have that going for me.
///Which is nice.


My alma mater, Eastern Washington, also lost 35-31 in the FCS playoffs, possibly the championship game.  3 Washington football teams played this weekend, and all blew leads in the waning 3 minutes to lose the game.
 
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