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(Slate)   For 2013, Kanye West had the "most influential year of any pop musician in history." A few things this gets wrong: 1) Kanye isn't influential; 2) Kanye isn't a musician; 3) The Beatles and Stones would like to have a word with you   (slate.com) divider line 38
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2013-12-23 11:56:35 AM
7 votes:

vernonFL: Say what you want about Kanye, but he is a talented musician and producer.


Does he play an instrument? No? Not a muaician then.

Autotune is not an instrument
2013-12-23 11:19:47 AM
6 votes:
This is the God's Honest Truth:  I do not know the title of, melody or words to, a single one of his songs.

Now, I'm a shut-in and generally not a pop fan..  but I can name / hear in my head some Bieber songs or the like.

The man is a tool.
2013-12-23 01:11:04 PM
4 votes:
Yeezus was the 37th top selling album of 2013. 37th.  Below "Blurred Lines".  "Bound 2" was the only song that entered the popular culture.  The gay rumors, KimYe, baby North West, and the ridiculous interviews and concert act as a savior is the what I know about Kanye, and it's NOT influential.  It's TMZ/People magazine crap.  Jennifer Aniston's haircut had more influence in it's day.  (and comparing himself to Jesus?  Does he know they literally have 2Pac performing and he's been dead for 15 years?  Now that's a resurrection!)

Timberlake's 20/20 Experience was far more influential this year putting Justin and Jay-Z above Kanye.

Hell, Adele's "21" is STILL outselling "Yeezus" and it was released TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO.  She's had a huge influence on music - or at least what labels will promote.
2013-12-23 11:38:32 AM
4 votes:
If you have to tell people someone is influential, he isn't.
2013-12-23 11:55:28 AM
3 votes:
Kanye's latest album just sounds lazy.  He may be a creative guy with some decent ideas, but I think he forgot that a decent idea by itself isn't worth much.  You have to do more than just layer some sloppy, uninspired sounds and laughably bad lyrics on top of your idea.  The lack of effort really shines through on every single track.

Lou Reed compared Kanye's latest album to Metal Machine Music, and I think it's absolutely true.  Metal Machine Music was Lou Reed's absolute favorite thing -- feedback from an electric guitar -- presented in its rawest form.  Yeezus is Kanye West's absolute favorite thing -- Kanye West's own hubris  -- presented in its rawest form.  Both are interesting.  Neither is good.
2013-12-23 11:54:11 AM
3 votes:

vernonFL: Say what you want about Kanye, but he is a talented musician and producer.


Those are two things I would not say about Kanye.  He is a talented attention whore and douchebag, though.
2013-12-23 10:55:19 AM
3 votes:

vernonFL: Say what you want about Kanye, but he is a talented musician and producer.


He's mediocre at best.
2013-12-23 09:39:11 AM
3 votes:
Say what you want about Kanye, but he is a talented musician and producer.
2013-12-23 02:57:40 PM
2 votes:

Dragonflew: Nickelback also sold bazillions of records, therefore they must be great and influential.

McDonalds outsells Ruth's Chris Steakhouse, therefore it must be the superior product.


Don't conflate quality with influence.  Nickelback is terrible but their broad reach means that they have an influence on music, even if it's a negative one.  McDonalds is certainly more influential than Ruth's Chris Steakhouse, given the former's immense cultural penetration.
2013-12-23 02:12:51 PM
2 votes:

LewDux: Sale numbers are important? I could swear.. Dream probably


Relevant, though certainly not the only indicator of 'influence.'  They help hint at reach of an album/song.  Especially for someone of Kanye's stature.  He's not some obscure singer/rapper who never broke through and ends up secretly influencing someone.

Plus, the entire premise of the article is that Kanye, this year, was the most influential artist OF ALL TIME.
What did it, the article says?  His clever sampling?  (Puff Daddy was much more influential); His Bound music video?  (littered with stock nature footage, and he wears tie die and flannel?  Or did they mean it being a video of somebody nailing Kim K, in which case, Ray J was more influential).  Or is it that people don't like him... seriously, the article supposes that he's so influential precisely because he's a self-important douche.

It's not that I don't think he's influential.  But most influential ever?  Ugh.  Unlike some people, he isn't ushering in a new genre or massive shift in music.  Or even the culture at large like Elvis, Beatles, Stones, Nirvana, Run DMC/Beastie Boys, Public Enemy/NWA... or many, many others.
2013-12-23 11:39:00 AM
2 votes:

vernonFL: Say what you want about Kanye, but he is a talented musician and producer.


While that may be true, his asshole personality completely overshadows it.
2013-12-23 10:26:08 AM
2 votes:
The only thing he's ever done that was (unfortunately) influential is causing musicians to act like genuine attention whores instead of garnering attention for being genuinely talented.  And that a goddamned shame.
2013-12-23 10:20:05 AM
2 votes:

oldernell: Doesn't he hang around with hobbits?


That episode is one of the best "South Park" episodes i've seen in a LONG time!
2013-12-23 09:38:39 AM
2 votes:
You don't have to go to the Beatles or Stones, Subby, Miley Cyrus's ass had a bigger year than Kanye. The only reason I knew he had an album out this year was because of the naked-Kim-Kardashian-on-a-motorcycle music video.
2013-12-23 04:12:43 PM
1 votes:

Rent Party: Dragonflew: homarjr: 3) Sampling is an art, and not an easy one to be good at.

Yes, the art of deciding which 1980s hit single to steal the riff from. I don't know where you have been for the last thirty years, but sampling is a breeze these days.

Really?  Where?  Do you have some examples of your samples to share?  Because mine all suck and I'd like to figure out how to make it "a breeze."


I've done music using samples and I've played many real instruments.  The only hard thing about using samples compared to playing actual music is making sure you have proper clearance.  There's a reason you have hundreds of "producaz" using fruity loops to make beats for every actual musician out there.

/"everybody samples" was worth a chuckle.
//I'm not even a "real" musician by my standards
///Dirty, dirty triple-slashy hobbyist.
2013-12-23 03:55:01 PM
1 votes:

Rent Party: Dragonflew: homarjr: 3) Sampling is an art, and not an easy one to be good at.

Yes, the art of deciding which 1980s hit single to steal the riff from. I don't know where you have been for the last thirty years, but sampling is a breeze these days.

Really?  Where?  Do you have some examples of your samples to share?  Because mine all suck and I'd like to figure out how to make it "a breeze."


Make sure it has the amen break and you're guaranteed billboard top 50
2013-12-23 02:27:47 PM
1 votes:

LewDux: weddingsinger: Yeezus was the 37th top selling album of 2013. 37th.  Below "Blurred Lines".  "Bound 2" was the only song that entered the popular culture.  The gay rumors, KimYe, baby North West, and the ridiculous interviews and concert act as a savior is the what I know about Kanye, and it's NOT influential.  It's TMZ/People magazine crap.  Jennifer Aniston's haircut had more influence in it's day.  (and comparing himself to Jesus?  Does he know they literally have 2Pac performing and he's been dead for 15 years?  Now that's a resurrection!)

Timberlake's 20/20 Experience was far more influential this year putting Justin and Jay-Z above Kanye.

Hell, Adele's "21" is STILL outselling "Yeezus" and it was released TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO.  She's had a huge influence on music - or at least what labels will promote.

Sale numbers are important? I could swear.. Dream probably


Nickelback also sold bazillions of records, therefore they must be great and influential.

McDonalds outsells Ruth's Chris Steakhouse, therefore it must be the superior product.

Bad music, like bad food, is gobbled up by the masses.
2013-12-23 02:18:23 PM
1 votes:

vernonFL: Say what you want about Kanye, but he is a talented musician and producer.


I was not aware that he sang, and I have never seen him play an instrument (playing, not triggering loops). He is not a musician. I will gladly state otherwise if someone can link me to a video of him actually performing music.
2013-12-23 01:57:00 PM
1 votes:

homarjr: NicktheSmoker: homarjr: NicktheSmoker: homarjr: sure haven't: Subby, that headline is a HOTY candidate. Love it, good job.

Kanye has two good songs: Jesus Walks, and Golddigger. And Jamie Foxx more makes golddigger as fun as it is.

Other than that, yeah he's a pretty big clown.

Off the top of my head....

We Don't Care
All Falls Down
Get 'Em High
Through the Wire
Family Business
Last Call
Heard 'Em Say
Touch the Sky
Diamonds from Sierra Leone
Hey Mama
Stronger
Good Life
Flashing Lights
The Glory
Homecoming
Heartless
Power
All of the Lights
Blame Game

Kanye might be a clown, but he has a ton of good songs.

/Haters gonna hate

I think you and I have a very different interpretation of the meaning of the word "good".

Hang on, you're telling me that people can have different taste in music???

THE HORROR

Yes, and yours is terrible.

And who do you like? One Direction? Cause you know, that would be ok. I try not to judge people's taste in music, cause that's a horrible thing to do.

/I'm guessing odds are real good you haven't heard 2/3rds of the songs I listed


I listen to a lot of stuff, rap being one of them. Nothing in the last couple of years has got me interested though besides that Big Boi CD. And this douche hasn't stopped running his mouth since that Golddigger song he ripped off from Ray Charles. Yeah I have listened to his "music", and most of it is stolen.  He's like the Shia Lebouf of rappers.
2013-12-23 01:48:38 PM
1 votes:
vento:

No, he doesn't.  His "music" is total shiat.  The lyrics are crap, his delivery is crap and the music is a bunch of sampling of other people's song.  Yeah, he's a farking genius.  I'm not a musician and I could go to Best Buy, purchase a cheap Casio keyboard and make a better album in two hours than anything he's put out.

No you couldn't.  Dude is an overrated douche, but even sampling takes a bit of skill.
2013-12-23 01:40:25 PM
1 votes:

homarjr: sure haven't: Subby, that headline is a HOTY candidate. Love it, good job.

Kanye has two good songs: Jesus Walks, and Golddigger. And Jamie Foxx more makes golddigger as fun as it is.

Other than that, yeah he's a pretty big clown.

Off the top of my head....

We Don't Care
All Falls Down
Get 'Em High
Through the Wire
Family Business
Last Call
Heard 'Em Say
Touch the Sky
Diamonds from Sierra Leone
Hey Mama
Stronger
Good Life
Flashing Lights
The Glory
Homecoming
Heartless
Power
All of the Lights
Blame Game

Kanye might be a clown, but he has a ton of good songs.

/Haters gonna hate



No, he doesn't.  His "music" is total shiat.  The lyrics are crap, his delivery is crap and the music is a bunch of sampling of other people's song.  Yeah, he's a farking genius.  I'm not a musician and I could go to Best Buy, purchase a cheap Casio keyboard and make a better album in two hours than anything he's put out.
2013-12-23 01:40:03 PM
1 votes:

homarjr: NicktheSmoker: homarjr: sure haven't: Subby, that headline is a HOTY candidate. Love it, good job.

Kanye has two good songs: Jesus Walks, and Golddigger. And Jamie Foxx more makes golddigger as fun as it is.

Other than that, yeah he's a pretty big clown.

Off the top of my head....

We Don't Care
All Falls Down
Get 'Em High
Through the Wire
Family Business
Last Call
Heard 'Em Say
Touch the Sky
Diamonds from Sierra Leone
Hey Mama
Stronger
Good Life
Flashing Lights
The Glory
Homecoming
Heartless
Power
All of the Lights
Blame Game

Kanye might be a clown, but he has a ton of good songs.

/Haters gonna hate

I think you and I have a very different interpretation of the meaning of the word "good".

Hang on, you're telling me that people can have different taste in music???

THE HORROR


Yes, and yours is terrible.
2013-12-23 01:20:18 PM
1 votes:

LewDux: Sale numbers are important? I could swear.. Dream probably


Sale numbers are an accurate representation of whether a band is important or not

www.1songday.com
2013-12-23 01:12:05 PM
1 votes:

vernonFL: Say what you want about Kanye, but he is a talented musician and producer attention whore and self promoter.

FTFY

2013-12-23 12:27:57 PM
1 votes:

vernonFL: Say what you want about Kanye, but he is a talented musician and producer.


He is, but he's also overrated, mostly due to his insistence that he's the greatest EVAR, and his legions of fanboys that will absolutely flip out if you suggest otherwise. They even insist that the crappy "Bound 2" music video was intentionally bad for some reason.

/They are so much fun to troll
//Try it if you ever get the chance
2013-12-23 12:17:42 PM
1 votes:
~~(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻.

Kanye is not giving credit where it is due. It is the autotune that is "most influential person in Pop Music" I mean everyone today uses it and gives it no credit. fark You all.

Also the most influential band/person has to be Elvis or the Beatles. In pop music, Madonna. Everyone tried to copy her.
2013-12-23 12:03:15 PM
1 votes:

Crewmannumber6: [i161.photobucket.com image 350x350]


My dad just made a pilgrimage to the Joshua Tree Motel this weekend. He listened to Emmylou Harris the whole way.
2013-12-23 11:54:48 AM
1 votes:

vernonFL: Say what you want about Kanye, but he is a talented musician and producer.


I was gonna say that he was not a talented musician or producer though.
2013-12-23 11:41:07 AM
1 votes:
If you have to tell people someone is fast, he isn't.
2013-12-23 11:03:14 AM
1 votes:

homarjr: Kanye might be a clown, but he has a ton of good songs.

I wanna fark you hard on the sink
After that, give you something to drink
Step back, can't get spunk on the mink



He's a bard, really.
2013-12-23 10:33:31 AM
1 votes:
Is doing something that generates lots of mockery considered the same as being "influential?
If so, I think Miley wins again, Kanye.
2013-12-23 10:29:52 AM
1 votes:
FTFA:

"Lyrically it was an ill-humored stew of scattershot anger, juvenile shock-peddling, and preening, grotesque misogyny."

And I'm supposed to want to listen to it because... ?
2013-12-23 10:14:24 AM
1 votes:

vernonFL: Say what you want about Kanye, but he is a talented musician and producer.


A little early, they're not biting yet.
2013-12-23 10:10:33 AM
1 votes:

Gonz: ELVIS YOU DOLT!


The musicians' strike of 1942-44 you dolt!

Long story short: musicians had a union back then. Big bands go on strike, preventing radio stations from playing songs with instruments in them. Record companies and radio stations get around it by signing bands led by vocalists who didn't need instruments, with Frank Sinatra leading the way.

Kind of a bad play by the union there.
2013-12-23 10:00:53 AM
1 votes:
i161.photobucket.com
2013-12-23 09:56:53 AM
1 votes:
Didn't that one guy put that Thriller album out in the 80s?
2013-12-23 09:52:28 AM
1 votes:

Gonz: ELVIS YOU DOLT!


The black musicians Elvis stole from, you dolt!
2013-12-23 09:39:57 AM
1 votes:
ELVIS YOU DOLT!
 
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