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2013-12-23 12:25:47 PM  

BitwiseShift: Cracker Barrel is comfort food -- good chain for long road trips with old people. Amazingly, they don't sell booze, which makes for a much nicer experience with the wait staff although too much makes the waist line suffer.

Unlike Oliver Garden or Outback where the waiters can be obnoxious, pushing drinks turning the place into a bar with a side business of food.


Taking a long road trip with old people sounds like the perfect time to have a couple of drinks, yes I have to see the inlaws this week why do you ask?
 
2013-12-23 12:26:01 PM  

mongbiohazard: Wow. Equating the guy who thinks Ms. Parks should still be sitting in the back of the bus with Ms. Parks herself? That's a special kind of stupid right there.


According to him, she was happy back there.
 
2013-12-23 12:28:26 PM  

StrangeQ: phenn: Since this whole foolish fiasco started, I've grown more and more disgusted.

I find it hard to even put into words.  This morning in the breakroom it was Fox & Friends turn in the morning news rotation.  It was non-stop "oh-woe-is-us, how dare they oppress our beliefs!" capped off by a clip of Mike Huccabee saying, "I will tolerate their [the gays'] beliefs, what I won't tolerate is intolerance!"  The cognitive dissonance and willful hypocrisy and ignorance is just farking mind boggling.

so very American.

It's not new, we've pretty much always had a large population of reactionary bigots. They get loud every time our society pushes to extend rights to more people. See: slavery/women's suffrage/desegregation/etc.
 
2013-12-23 12:28:53 PM  

spongeboob: Can we all take a moment here and focus on the word Christian, what the hell does it mean in today's America?


Do you mean the Christians that wear the label but don't actually practice or the Christians that spend all their time screaming epithets from ancient Jewish and Samaritan texts?
 
2013-12-23 12:29:08 PM  

phalamir: "Are you a Christian?"  "No, I try to live like Jesus taught"


Tell me are you christian child? I said 'Man I am, tonight!'
 
2013-12-23 12:37:33 PM  

Lackofname: Link to that?


Berkeley SDA interface for the 2012 cumulative General Social Survey dataset; relevant variables are MARHOMO, MARBLK, RACE, and YEAR. Results look something like this.

The Larch: What religion are these guys supposed to be, anyhow?


"Church Of Christ", according to Wikipedia.
 
2013-12-23 12:41:21 PM  

phalamir: spongeboob:
"Are you a Christian?"  "No, I try to live like Jesus taught"


thanks using that.
 
2013-12-23 12:49:21 PM  

abb3w: Lackofname: Link to that?

Berkeley SDA interface for the 2012 cumulative General Social Survey dataset; relevant variables are MARHOMO, MARBLK, RACE, and YEAR. Results look something like this.


Bah. I was hoping for a link to a journal article or a news article on the study. I don't doubt the findings, I just don't think linking laymans to the raw data they can't interpret will be helpful in future arguments.
 
2013-12-23 12:53:23 PM  
I'm still reeling from the realization that duck dynasty is about these rednecks and not the next chapter in the duck dodgers of the 51st-and-a-half century canon.
 
2013-12-23 12:58:27 PM  

skozlaw: spongeboob: Can we all take a moment here and focus on the word Christian, what the hell does it mean in today's America?

Do you mean the Christians that wear the label but don't actually practice or the Christians that spend all their time screaming epithets from ancient Jewish and Samaritan texts?


Yes those two groups both CLAIM to be Christians,
 but my list is.

How can the following all be conisered Christians(short list for brevity)
Prosperity Gospel versus those who think Christian will be persecuted for being Christians
Pre-Millenialst(spelling?) who think the world has to get worse so that Jesus can come back and destroy it versus Dominionist who think that Jesus wants them to take over this world
You could even just compare those who think Jesus is in charge of this world versus those who think that the devil is in charge of this world because of original sin or something.

When something horrible happens you have Christians saying 'the devil did that' versus God did that to punish sinners versus God allowed that to happen and we will understand why some day.  Yet they all claim that their opinion is in the Bible and in line with Christian teaching, they can't be because they are mutually exclusive.
 
2013-12-23 12:58:30 PM  

i state your name: I'm still reeling from the realization that duck dynasty is about these rednecks and not the next chapter in the duck dodgers of the 51st-and-a-half century canon.


I always hoped it was the next chapter in the DuckTales saga.
 
2013-12-23 01:00:33 PM  
The kind of people I grew up with love to post this shiat:

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Pretty much how it is nowadays..pretty sad actually. I would love someone to come up to me and tell me I cant pray..that would be the day I would catch a charge, and the other son of a biatch gets a broken jaw. People can preach all the pro or anti things they wanna preach, this is America. But at the end of the day we all come from the same God..
 
2013-12-23 01:00:44 PM  
Think about this for a second:

Conservatives claim that most successful and wealthy people are conservative, because they adhered to conservative principles.

Who gets smacked down publicly for saying racist, xenophobic and homophobic garbage?  Conservatives.
Who does the smacking down?  Advertisers, through the networks.  ("pull this creep, or we pull our funding.  We don't want to be affiliated with things like that")
Who are advertisers?  Wealthy people who have lots of money paying to advertise their product.

So let me see if I get the conservative argument correct:  The vast majority of wealthy people in the world are conservatives who are smacking down other conservatives for talking about conservative principles because they value conservative principles.......Got it.
 
2013-12-23 01:06:54 PM  
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The only possible reaction.
 
2013-12-23 01:14:33 PM  

A Cave Geek: Think about this for a second:

Conservatives claim that most successful and wealthy people are conservative, because they adhered to conservative principles.

Who gets smacked down publicly for saying racist, xenophobic and homophobic garbage?  Conservatives.
Who does the smacking down?  Advertisers, through the networks.  ("pull this creep, or we pull our funding.  We don't want to be affiliated with things like that")
Who are advertisers?  Wealthy people who have lots of money paying to advertise their product.

So let me see if I get the conservative argument correct:  The vast majority of wealthy people in the world are conservatives who are smacking down other conservatives for talking about conservative principles because they value conservative principles.......Got it.


The conspiratorial mind is hallmarked by the belief that their views reflect the views of the majority and that those views result in a more prosperous life than degenerates who disagree with those views. The conspiratorial mind is also hallmarked by a belief that the degenerates are working in confederacy to undermine the strength of the majority which is the cause of suffering for the majority. The majority is strong but aimless, the minority is weak but organized: once you recognize this relationship it clears up the confusion.
 
2013-12-23 01:20:57 PM  

aircraftkiller: The kind of people I grew up with love to post this shiat:

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Pretty much how it is nowadays..pretty sad actually. I would love someone to come up to me and tell me I cant pray..that would be the day I would catch a charge, and the other son of a biatch gets a broken jaw. People can preach all the pro or anti things they wanna preach, this is America. But at the end of the day we all come from the same God..


And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

Or you could make a big show of praying on national television every week. Whatever.
 
2013-12-23 01:21:50 PM  

StrangeQ: phenn: Since this whole foolish fiasco started, I've grown more and more disgusted.

I find it hard to even put into words.  This morning in the breakroom it was Fox & Friends turn in the morning news rotation.  It was non-stop "oh-woe-is-us, how dare they oppress our beliefs!" capped off by a clip of Mike Huccabee saying, "I will tolerate their [the gays'] beliefs, what I won't tolerate is intolerance!"  The cognitive dissonance and willful hypocrisy and ignorance is just farking mind boggling.


And they keep telling the rest of us WE'RE supposed to tolerate THEIR intolerance.

/god bless us every one
 
2013-12-23 01:52:29 PM  

abb3w: MyrnaMinkoff: You can know that someone is against homosexuality in principle, and still think that they might not give a lengthy interview in an international magazine talking about vaginas, anuses, and the joy of pre-civil rights blacks in the south. I'm with A&E here.

I think it may have been the racist tones that were the final nail.

Interesting tidbit from the 2012 GSS survey: among whites who support gay marriage, roughly one in twenty would still disapprove of a close relative marrying a black person; among whites who don't support gay marriage, it's roughly one in three.


Not surprising at all. This completely describes my stepmother's family. I've heard them say of their nephews, "I think they're going to be f*ggots." Repeatedly. The kids in question are two and four. And of course, yesterday at her family gathering there was a lot of pro-Duck Dynasty support. They also use the N-word with frequency, usually when talking about the things that are wrong with society. Boy did they hate me the year I was dating a black guy.
 
2013-12-23 01:54:51 PM  

Publikwerks: Hey, I just gave some money to charity..... I guess I'm this generations Jesus.


 All hail the new Messiah!
 
2013-12-23 02:02:07 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: This story will end eventually.  It will end when WalMart sells out of Duck Dynasty dinner bowls, Duck Dynasty tee shirts, Duck Dynasty bed sheets, Duck Dynasty hand towels, and Duck Dynasty colostomy supplies.

And not a moment before.


Joke all you want, but it's not far from that. There are Duck Dynasty cookies.

/what do THOSE taste like?
//regret
///slashies in threes
 
2013-12-23 02:05:28 PM  
If an employer can fire an employee for this or that maybe it is time to unionize.
 
2013-12-23 02:29:25 PM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: [img.photobucket.com image 308x260]


By the way, this ad turned up again today, only they've changed the text to "Stand with Phil Robertson".  Probably because the "silencing Christians" dog failed to hunt.
 
2013-12-23 02:38:16 PM  

Lackofname: tripleseven: Linux_Yes: MyrnaMinkoff: I grew up in rural Oklahoma. I'm here visiting again. Many of my Facebook friends are from this region. Judging by my feed, you'd think this is the only new story of note from the last several months."Real" America is depressing, but absolutely not surprising. One of them posted about boycotting Cracker Barrel since they pulled merchandise, and then complained but the food is "too expensive" anyway. Jesus Christ.


lol.   Crackhead Barrel is high end, no doubt.  they even charge you for tea.

Someone here on fark was earnestly arguing that $50 was too much for a 4 person sit down dinner.

I Guess I could see that if you know, they live somewhere where costs are very low. I lived in DC until I had to move back in with my parents in Tennessee, and while McDonalds is the same and perhaps a Sit Down Dinner is roughly the same, a single person can't eat out without spending at least $9 in DC.


And what century was it you lived in DC?
 
2013-12-23 02:44:34 PM  

tripleseven: Lackofname: tripleseven: Linux_Yes: MyrnaMinkoff: I grew up in rural Oklahoma. I'm here visiting again. Many of my Facebook friends are from this region. Judging by my feed, you'd think this is the only new story of note from the last several months."Real" America is depressing, but absolutely not surprising. One of them posted about boycotting Cracker Barrel since they pulled merchandise, and then complained but the food is "too expensive" anyway. Jesus Christ.


lol.   Crackhead Barrel is high end, no doubt.  they even charge you for tea.

Someone here on fark was earnestly arguing that $50 was too much for a 4 person sit down dinner.

I Guess I could see that if you know, they live somewhere where costs are very low. I lived in DC until I had to move back in with my parents in Tennessee, and while McDonalds is the same and perhaps a Sit Down Dinner is roughly the same, a single person can't eat out without spending at least $9 in DC.

And what century was it you lived in DC?


I realize you are being sarcastic but I don't understand what it is you are disagreeing with.
 
2013-12-23 02:45:02 PM  

mongbiohazard: Wow. Equating the guy who thinks Ms. Parks should still be sitting in the back of the bus with Ms. Parks herself? That's a special kind of stupid right there.


To be fair, Phil Robertson did not suggest that Rosa Parks  should be sitting in the back of the bus.

Just that she was happier sitting there.
 
2013-12-23 02:52:03 PM  

Lackofname: Bah. I was hoping for a link to a journal article or a news article on the study. I don't doubt the findings, I just don't think linking laymans to the raw data they can't interpret will be helpful in future arguments.


The SDA interface isn't quite the raw data itself (though it will cough that up if poked hard); and linking to it seems to help produce more sophisticated laypeople, particularly when said laypeople are young enough to be still in the habit of learning things. There have also been a few times when people have found other interesting tidbits I hadn't myself thought of looking for.

YMMV.

Grungehamster: The conspiratorial mind is hallmarked by


Plausible, but [Citations needed]
 
2013-12-23 03:08:32 PM  

jjorsett: The guy not only thought impermissible thoughts, he uttered them out loud. Where others could hear. We can't have that.


Meh. He can say whatever he wants (fire! In a crowded theater exception noted) and everyone else is free to respond with the speech (and legally permissible actions) they choose.

The First Amendment doesn't protect you from the backlash of your speech.

/suck it up buttercup
 
2013-12-23 03:26:43 PM  

jjorsett: The guy not only thought impermissible thoughts, he uttered them out loud. Where others could hear. We can't have that.


Well, A&E had a brand and a very carefully edited narrative about these people. Then one of them had to go and wreck that narrative. Since the character no longer fits the story, it would be kind of hard to continue with that narrative, so why keep him around?

By the way, no one is telling him he's not allowed to say things like black people were happier when they were oppressed, or gay people are murderers. This is America. People are allowed to announce just how wrong and stupid they are at the top of their lungs. A&E just doesn't want that introduced to the story they were telling.
 
2013-12-23 03:35:30 PM  

MyrnaMinkoff: palelizard: MyrnaMinkoff: glmorrs1: YodaTuna: MyrnaMinkoff: I grew up in rural Oklahoma. I'm here visiting again. Many of my Facebook friends are from this region. Judging by my feed, you'd think this is the only new story of note from the last several months."Real" America is depressing, but absolutely not surprising. One of them posted about boycotting Cracker Barrel since they pulled merchandise, and then complained but the food is "too expensive" anyway. Jesus Christ.

If a major decision in your life is that you have decided you no longer want to eat at Cracker Barrel, you may want to re-evaluate your worldview.

Have you ever tried their country ham or biscuits and gravy? Cause I'm just saying, giving that up would be a major life decision for me.

/I sound fat

HASH BROWN CASSEROLE. But still, arteries.

Ugh, their gravy is awful.  The whole point of decent sausage gravy is that you sop it up with your biscuit, then eat them together.  Cracker Barrel's gravy just sits there on top of the biscuit like mayo on a ritz cracker, or that embarrassing dinty-moore-beef-stew crap your dog just took on your mother-in-law's new hardwood floors.

I wouldn't know, because I will never eat the culinary abomination that is white gravy. From anywhere.


You mean bechamel sauce? One of the four "mother sauces" that make up the basis for French cuisine?

Because it's delicious.
 
2013-12-23 03:45:09 PM  

spongeboob: Can we all take a moment here and focus on the word Christian, what the hell does it mean in today's America?

If A&E is trying to silence Christians and all Christians agee that what this douchegbag says is right then America is at best only half Christian, because support for marriage equality is right around 50%, so if you support marriage equality you are not a Christian according to those who proclaim the loudest that they speak for Christians.  Congratulations assholes you choose to define yourselfs right out of the majority.

And it gets better with the increased acceptance of marriage equality with the younger generations, in ten years you all will be a minority.  Hope you look forward to the days when you actually do lose the power you have now, maybe your perscution fantasy will be a nice self fulfilling prophecy when you become more strident leading more people to ignore you causing you to be more strident leading to fewer and fewer people in the pews every week.

I think I might have to start telling people who ask me are you a Christian, nope I believe in the equality of all people.


What does Christian mean in the United States today? It is a brand, a flag, a way to differentiate your self from those people. It means nothing, it means what ever you want it to, it means never having to say you are sorry for your bigotry. As long as you buy brand Jesus you are a-okay with millions of other brand Jesus buyers.
 
2013-12-23 04:36:03 PM  

abb3w: Grungehamster: The conspiratorial mind is hallmarked by

Plausible, but [Citations needed]


Badly paraphrased from here and my poor memory:

http://harpers.org/archive/1964/11/the-paranoid-style-in-american-po li tics/
 
2013-12-23 04:42:16 PM  

glmorrs1: MyrnaMinkoff: palelizard: MyrnaMinkoff: glmorrs1: YodaTuna: MyrnaMinkoff: I grew up in rural Oklahoma. I'm here visiting again. Many of my Facebook friends are from this region. Judging by my feed, you'd think this is the only new story of note from the last several months."Real" America is depressing, but absolutely not surprising. One of them posted about boycotting Cracker Barrel since they pulled merchandise, and then complained but the food is "too expensive" anyway. Jesus Christ.

If a major decision in your life is that you have decided you no longer want to eat at Cracker Barrel, you may want to re-evaluate your worldview.

Have you ever tried their country ham or biscuits and gravy? Cause I'm just saying, giving that up would be a major life decision for me.

/I sound fat

HASH BROWN CASSEROLE. But still, arteries.

Ugh, their gravy is awful.  The whole point of decent sausage gravy is that you sop it up with your biscuit, then eat them together.  Cracker Barrel's gravy just sits there on top of the biscuit like mayo on a ritz cracker, or that embarrassing dinty-moore-beef-stew crap your dog just took on your mother-in-law's new hardwood floors.

I wouldn't know, because I will never eat the culinary abomination that is white gravy. From anywhere.

You mean bechamel sauce? One of the four "mother sauces" that make up the basis for French cuisine?

Because it's delicious.


No. I mean country white gravy, which is gross. They're similar, but white gravy usually has pork fat instead of butter (or shortening at fast food places), lots of black pepper, and often also incorporates ground sausage. Blech.
 
2013-12-23 06:07:07 PM  

aircraftkiller: The kind of people I grew up with love to post this shiat:

[scontent-b-mia.xx.fbcdn.net image 480x480]

Pretty much how it is nowadays..pretty sad actually. I would love someone to come up to me and tell me I cant pray..that would be the day I would catch a charge, and the other son of a biatch gets a broken jaw. People can preach all the pro or anti things they wanna preach, this is America. But at the end of the day we all come from the same God..


I hadn't realized that Phil's interview with GQ was actually a prayer. My bad.
 
2013-12-23 06:30:20 PM  

MyrnaMinkoff: glmorrs1: MyrnaMinkoff: palelizard: MyrnaMinkoff: glmorrs1: YodaTuna: MyrnaMinkoff: I grew up in rural Oklahoma. I'm here visiting again. Many of my Facebook friends are from this region. Judging by my feed, you'd think this is the only new story of note from the last several months."Real" America is depressing, but absolutely not surprising. One of them posted about boycotting Cracker Barrel since they pulled merchandise, and then complained but the food is "too expensive" anyway. Jesus Christ.

If a major decision in your life is that you have decided you no longer want to eat at Cracker Barrel, you may want to re-evaluate your worldview.

Have you ever tried their country ham or biscuits and gravy? Cause I'm just saying, giving that up would be a major life decision for me.

/I sound fat

HASH BROWN CASSEROLE. But still, arteries.

Ugh, their gravy is awful.  The whole point of decent sausage gravy is that you sop it up with your biscuit, then eat them together.  Cracker Barrel's gravy just sits there on top of the biscuit like mayo on a ritz cracker, or that embarrassing dinty-moore-beef-stew crap your dog just took on your mother-in-law's new hardwood floors.

I wouldn't know, because I will never eat the culinary abomination that is white gravy. From anywhere.

You mean bechamel sauce? One of the four "mother sauces" that make up the basis for French cuisine?

Because it's delicious.

No. I mean country white gravy, which is gross. They're similar, but white gravy usually has pork fat instead of butter (or shortening at fast food places), lots of black pepper, and often also incorporates ground sausage. Blech.


When I make it, I fry the sausage, then add flour to the rendered fat to make a roux. Pepper (and salt if needed), followed with milk and cooked down to thicken. I serve it with a dash of Worcestershire and Tabasco, and it's freakin' delicious. The flavor all comes down to the quality of the sausage. I've never been particularly impressed with CB's gravy. Something about the sausage they use just seems to be...off somehow.
 
2013-12-23 06:52:07 PM  
I'm so sick of this. Taking someone's microphone away does not infringe on their right to continue saying whatever they want, and the Constitution doesn't guarantee the right to have someone else provide a platform to broadcast one's speech.
 
2013-12-23 10:22:45 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: IlGreven: If the lottery is a tax on those who can't do math, sit-down restaurants are a tax on people who can't or don't want to cook.

If you apply that logic consistently, any service or good rendered for payment is a tax on people who can't or don't want to do anything. Hell, buying food at all would be a tax on people who can't or don't want to grow their own.


And that's okay.  That is what money boils down to: The way to get other people to do stuff you don't wanna do.
 
2013-12-24 12:11:44 AM  

Grungehamster: abb3w: Grungehamster: The conspiratorial mind is hallmarked by

Plausible, but [Citations needed]

Badly paraphrased from here and my poor memory:

http://harpers.org/archive/1964/11/the-paranoid-style-in-american-po li tics/


Ah; eloquent, but not very empirical. You might poke Google looking for a copy of Dr. Robert Altemeyer's "The Authoritarians", which says similar things with a lot more empirical rigor.
 
2013-12-24 02:09:23 AM  

Whodat: They may just damage control themselves out of a top rated show. I would bet dollars to donuts that there are a few other networks just drooling over a chance to cash in on that franchise.


COUGH***NON-COMPETE CLAUSES***COUGH

/Frank Zappa "Joe's Garage"
//...and it looks like.. we will never play again!"
 
2013-12-24 01:03:53 PM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: [img.photobucket.com image 308x260]


1) How is it possible to silence bigots Christians, when the bigots Christians won't shut up?

2) Apparently this "American Council for Freedom and Enterprise?"  is all in favor of free enterprise as long as the free enterprise exercises their freedom in they way that this "American Council for Freedom and Enterprise" approves.

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