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2013-12-23 10:15:54 AM  
What part of Russia, don't you understand... Oh Wait, it is Russia, you do not need to understand.

/The KGB is watching this thread.
 
2013-12-23 10:17:57 AM  
I remember back in the 80's when a local DJ was running a gag campaign for President, and he read off his policies if he was ever elected:

"Now, there is the subject of the MX Missile. Should we build it, and if so, where do we put them.?

I would say that we've already built them, and we've already hidden them, see?

The Bolsheviks will go nuts trying to find 'em."
 
2013-12-23 10:34:22 AM  
I remember much of the discussion surrounding the proposed US version of this back in the 80s. The real issue here was providing security for the train and as much as some groups would like you to believe, it was that and not public resistance to the idea.
 
2013-12-23 10:39:49 AM  
It's a bit ironic that Americans find this entertaining. Those trains are built to annihilate you and everyone like you... yeah, keep thinking they're pretty marvels of engineering. They're instruments of death.
 
2013-12-23 10:44:47 AM  

tuxq: It's a bit ironic that Americans find this entertaining. Those trains are built to annihilate you and everyone like you... yeah, keep thinking they're pretty marvels of engineering. They're instruments of death.


Why not both?
 
2013-12-23 10:46:37 AM  

tuxq: keep thinking they're pretty marvels of engineering. They're instruments of death.


And unless they miraculously manifested themselves onto the rails, they're also a marvel of engineering.  The "pretty" part is subjective, but the engineering aspect is undeniable.  The article clearly lays out the improvements over the previous generation of launchers.
 
2013-12-23 10:49:54 AM  
d262ilb51hltx0.cloudfront.net

I have the weirdest boner right now.
 
2013-12-23 11:00:36 AM  
Can I get that as an add-on for this....
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2013-12-23 11:05:51 AM  
Interesting. I learned about CPGS today (thank you FARK). How did the U.S. think that our neighbors would react? Just because these weapons are "Non-Nuclear" doesn't mean that they are any less effective. I am kind of surprised there hasn't been more outrage from China and Russia regarding this program.
 
2013-12-23 11:53:04 AM  

washington-babylon: Interesting. I learned about CPGS today (thank you FARK). How did the U.S. think that our neighbors would react? Just because these weapons are "Non-Nuclear" doesn't mean that they are any less effective. I am kind of surprised there hasn't been more outrage from China and Russia regarding this program.


Furthermore, how do you reassure the Russians that the ICBM launch they're detecting via satellite radar is a conventional weapon headed for a cave in Pakistan, and not a nuke zeroing in on the Kremlin?

Are we gonna have the missiles tow giant "Hi, this isn't really a nuke!" banners behind them?
 
2013-12-23 12:08:49 PM  

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: washington-babylon: Interesting. I learned about CPGS today (thank you FARK). How did the U.S. think that our neighbors would react? Just because these weapons are "Non-Nuclear" doesn't mean that they are any less effective. I am kind of surprised there hasn't been more outrage from China and Russia regarding this program.

Furthermore, how do you reassure the Russians that the ICBM launch they're detecting via satellite radar is a conventional weapon headed for a cave in Pakistan, and not a nuke zeroing in on the Kremlin?

Are we gonna have the missiles tow giant "Hi, this isn't really a nuke!" banners behind them?


Prompt Global Strike is a bad idea if the delivery system is a typical ICBM, one of those things launching off would make people across the world flip out even if it was only one or two missiles and we promised they didn't have nukes on top of them. A much better, safer idea far less prone making the Russians/Chinese/etc.. think we are starting WWIII would be a PGS system that uses a hypersonic bomber as the delivery system instead of an ICBM.

Guess what they're doing a lot of work on?
 
2013-12-23 12:14:28 PM  
This is a very old idea that is really about saving money.

It is Putin's attempt to abide by treaties but at the same time regain the upper hand in strategic nuclear capability. Given Russia's track record in nuclear safety, Id say Russia has more to fear in this plan than the U.S. does.
 
2013-12-23 12:37:59 PM  
 
2013-12-23 01:02:41 PM  

tuxq: It's a bit ironic that Americans find this entertaining. Those trains are built to annihilate you and everyone like you... yeah, keep thinking they're pretty marvels of engineering. They're instruments of death.


Honestly... this has to be the dumbest idea *ever* for launching Nuclear missiles... which is why it is entertaining.
 
2013-12-23 02:58:45 PM  
Well, I suppose after Shagohad was destroyed, this was the next best idea they'd come up with.
 
2013-12-23 03:00:24 PM  
static4.wikia.nocookie.net

We'll just have to rely on Star Fox to take these out.
 
2013-12-23 03:12:07 PM  
washington-babylon

Interesting. I learned about CPGS today (thank you FARK). How did the U.S. think that our neighbors would react? Just because these weapons are "Non-Nuclear" doesn't mean that they are any less effective. I am kind of surprised there hasn't been more outrage from China and Russia regarding this program.

There was a UN resolution passed that all ICBMs launched with conventional payloads had to have the tip of the missile painted bright orange.
 
2013-12-23 03:12:42 PM  
You know who else made the trains run on time?
 
2013-12-23 03:15:55 PM  
nuclear wessels, captain
 
2013-12-23 03:44:21 PM  
 
2013-12-23 08:05:55 PM  
Somewhere Jimmy Carter is rubbing his hands together and cackling madly & proclaiming, "I told you it would work!".
 
2013-12-23 08:13:21 PM  
Accurate submarine launched ICBM's rendered the rail launcher just about moot.

PGS and this rail idea are forms of posturing.  You have to keep the madness in MAD to make it work.
 
2013-12-23 08:16:53 PM  

Zeno-25: Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: washington-babylon: Interesting. I learned about CPGS today (thank you FARK). How did the U.S. think that our neighbors would react? Just because these weapons are "Non-Nuclear" doesn't mean that they are any less effective. I am kind of surprised there hasn't been more outrage from China and Russia regarding this program.

Furthermore, how do you reassure the Russians that the ICBM launch they're detecting via satellite radar is a conventional weapon headed for a cave in Pakistan, and not a nuke zeroing in on the Kremlin?

Are we gonna have the missiles tow giant "Hi, this isn't really a nuke!" banners behind them?

Prompt Global Strike is a bad idea if the delivery system is a typical ICBM, one of those things launching off would make people across the world flip out even if it was only one or two missiles and we promised they didn't have nukes on top of them. A much better, safer idea far less prone making the Russians/Chinese/etc.. think we are starting WWIII would be a PGS system that uses a hypersonic bomber as the delivery system instead of an ICBM.

Guess what they're doing a lot of work on?



Although a PGS in that manner would probably be used as a decapitory strike, which, from a MAD point of view, is not much different than a tactical nuke.
 
2013-12-24 12:32:02 AM  

Zeno-25: Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: washington-babylon: Interesting. I learned about CPGS today (thank you FARK). How did the U.S. think that our neighbors would react? Just because these weapons are "Non-Nuclear" doesn't mean that they are any less effective. I am kind of surprised there hasn't been more outrage from China and Russia regarding this program.

Furthermore, how do you reassure the Russians that the ICBM launch they're detecting via satellite radar is a conventional weapon headed for a cave in Pakistan, and not a nuke zeroing in on the Kremlin?

Are we gonna have the missiles tow giant "Hi, this isn't really a nuke!" banners behind them?

Prompt Global Strike is a bad idea if the delivery system is a typical ICBM, one of those things launching off would make people across the world flip out even if it was only one or two missiles and we promised they didn't have nukes on top of them. A much better, safer idea far less prone making the Russians/Chinese/etc.. think we are starting WWIII would be a PGS system that uses a hypersonic bomber as the delivery system instead of an ICBM.

Guess what they're doing a lot of work on?


The problem with a hypersonic bomber, is that an effective hypersonic bomber is either going to look a lot like a long-range missile, or a lot like a space-based weapon system, depending on how they go about designing it. Especially if it's an unmanned system (which, let's face it, it will be). In either case you start bumping into international treaties, and the system is entirely capable of delivering a nuclear first strike. If one of those is hurtling toward your territory, you're going to reach for the red phone just as fast as if it was a Minuteman or Trident.
 
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