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(NYPost)   Over 70 sailors aboard the U.S.S. Ronald Reagan at Fukushima are now battling cancers, thyroid disease, uterine bleeding and other ailments. "We joked about it: 'Hey, it's radioactive snow'"   (nypost.com) divider line 152
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2013-12-23 12:40:47 AM
TFA: "We have a multimillion-dollar radiation-detection system, but . . . it takes time to be set up and activated," Cooper said.

Um, if you're on a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier then wouldn't you leave at least some of those systems turned on 24/7?
 
2013-12-23 12:52:31 AM
I beat you here.
 
2013-12-23 12:55:38 AM
Fukishima? Nothing to see there. Just another "free" country  criminalizing journalism.
 
2013-12-23 01:11:12 AM

Ivo Shandor: TFA: "We have a multimillion-dollar radiation-detection system, but . . . it takes time to be set up and activated," Cooper said.

Um, if you're on a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier then wouldn't you leave at least some of those systems turned on 24/7?


Those are turned on but only in the propulsion spaces. This sounds like the flight deck people.
 
2013-12-23 01:44:39 AM
"my thyroid is so out of whack that I can lose 60 to 70 pounds in one month and then gain it back the next,"

He says he has lost 60 percent of the power in the right side of his body and his limbs have visibly shrunk.
"I've had four MRIs, and I've been to 20 doctors," he said. "No one can figure out what is wrong."

The toxic seawater was sucked into the ship's desalinization system, flowing out of its faucets and showers - still radioactive - and into the crew member's bodies.

"And then we couldn't go anywhere. Japan didn't want us in port, Korea didn't want us, Guam turned us away. We floated in the water for two and a half months," until Thailand took them in, she said.

All the while crew members had been suffering from excruciating diarrhea.
"People were s--tting themselves in the hallways," Cooper recalled.



sounds like bullshiat to me.
 
2013-12-23 02:37:22 AM

log_jammin: sounds like bullshiat to me.


This has been floating around on Facebook for a couple of weeks and I haven't seen the story turn up in a reputable publications. As of today I still haven't.
 
2013-12-23 02:47:48 AM

fusillade762: This has been floating around on Facebook for a couple of weeks and I haven't seen the story turn up in a reputable publications. As of today I still haven't.


That's because this is all a media campaign from the lawyer who already had this case dismissed by a judge.

"Weeks after a judge dismissed the case, an attorney for U.S. sailors exposed to radiation after the 2011 earthquake off the coast of Japan said he intends to refile the lawsuit."
 
2013-12-23 03:59:02 AM
Ugh. Too close to home this time. I just sent an email to check up on a friend who may be on the Reagan. . .
 
2013-12-23 06:49:47 AM

log_jammin: fusillade762: This has been floating around on Facebook for a couple of weeks and I haven't seen the story turn up in a reputable publications. As of today I still haven't.

That's because this is all a media campaign from the lawyer who already had this case dismissed by a judge.

"Weeks after a judge dismissed the case, an attorney for U.S. sailors exposed to radiation after the 2011 earthquake off the coast of Japan said he intends to refile the lawsuit."


With good reason. Under the Feres Doctrine, members of the military are categorically barred from suing the government for any injuries or other harms that occur while in the course of normal military service. It's an absurdly stupid doctrine in its absolute quality; it's even been applied to prevent people from suing when the DoD secretly experimented on them. But unfortunately for these guys, it's the current law.
 
2013-12-23 06:50:57 AM

Peki: Ugh. Too close to home this time. I just sent an email to check up on a friend who may be on the Reagan. . .


Did he reply? Watch it because I heard you get radiation from emails.
 
2013-12-23 07:01:52 AM

Rincewind53: log_jammin: fusillade762: This has been floating around on Facebook for a couple of weeks and I haven't seen the story turn up in a reputable publications. As of today I still haven't.

That's because this is all a media campaign from the lawyer who already had this case dismissed by a judge.

"Weeks after a judge dismissed the case, an attorney for U.S. sailors exposed to radiation after the 2011 earthquake off the coast of Japan said he intends to refile the lawsuit."

With good reason. Under the Feres Doctrine, members of the military are categorically barred from suing the government for any injuries or other harms that occur while in the course of normal military service. It's an absurdly stupid doctrine in its absolute quality; it's even been applied to prevent people from suing when the DoD secretly experimented on them. But unfortunately for these guys, it's the current law.


Huh. Thats strange. Normally soldiers in other countries are allowed to sue their government whenever they are mistreated. Oh wait...
 
2013-12-23 09:21:49 AM
Only because they're able to joke about it:

i.imgur.com
 
2013-12-23 09:21:53 AM

Rincewind53: log_jammin: fusillade762: This has been floating around on Facebook for a couple of weeks and I haven't seen the story turn up in a reputable publications. As of today I still haven't.

That's because this is all a media campaign from the lawyer who already had this case dismissed by a judge.

"Weeks after a judge dismissed the case, an attorney for U.S. sailors exposed to radiation after the 2011 earthquake off the coast of Japan said he intends to refile the lawsuit."

With good reason. Under the Feres Doctrine, members of the military are categorically barred from suing the government for any injuries or other harms that occur while in the course of normal military service. It's an absurdly stupid doctrine in its absolute quality; it's even been applied to prevent people from suing when the DoD secretly experimented on them. But unfortunately for these guys, it's the current law.


They are suing TEPCO, not the US government.
 
2013-12-23 09:23:14 AM

log_jammin: fusillade762: This has been floating around on Facebook for a couple of weeks and I haven't seen the story turn up in a reputable publications. As of today I still haven't.

That's because this is all a media campaign from the lawyer who already had this case dismissed by a judge.

"Weeks after a judge dismissed the case, an attorney for U.S. sailors exposed to radiation after the 2011 earthquake off the coast of Japan said he intends to refile the lawsuit."


Those sailors should have never gone anywhere near there without protective gear.
On a related note  China, a contender for the most polluted country ever, has refused any shellfish from the West Coast due to the contamination.
 
2013-12-23 09:25:47 AM

log_jammin: "my thyroid is so out of whack that I can lose 60 to 70 pounds in one month and then gain it back the next,"

He says he has lost 60 percent of the power in the right side of his body and his limbs have visibly shrunk.
"I've had four MRIs, and I've been to 20 doctors," he said. "No one can figure out what is wrong."

The toxic seawater was sucked into the ship's desalinization system, flowing out of its faucets and showers - still radioactive - and into the crew member's bodies.

"And then we couldn't go anywhere. Japan didn't want us in port, Korea didn't want us, Guam turned us away. We floated in the water for two and a half months," until Thailand took them in, she said.

All the while crew members had been suffering from excruciating diarrhea.
"People were s--tting themselves in the hallways," Cooper recalled.


sounds like bullshiat to me.


More like HULLshiat, right?!
 
2013-12-23 09:26:21 AM
The toxic seawater was sucked into the ship's desalinization system, flowing out of its faucets and showers - still radioactive - and into the crew member's bodies.The toxic seawater was sucked into the ship's desalinization system, flowing out of its faucets and showers - still radioactive - and into the crew member's bodies.

Uh, wait, let me see if I have this straight. The ship was sailing to assist in a NUCLEAR REACTOR MELTDOWN where shiatLOADS OF RADIOACTIVE WATER WERE BEING PUMPED INTO THE OCEAN and they sailed into it without thinking about this?

Really?

Either this is one of the stupidest things ever done by anyone, ever or we are missing some facts here.
 
2013-12-23 09:27:00 AM

log_jammin: "my thyroid is so out of whack that I can lose 60 to 70 pounds in one month and then gain it back the next,"

He says he has lost 60 percent of the power in the right side of his body and his limbs have visibly shrunk.
"I've had four MRIs, and I've been to 20 doctors," he said. "No one can figure out what is wrong."

The toxic seawater was sucked into the ship's desalinization system, flowing out of its faucets and showers - still radioactive - and into the crew member's bodies.

"And then we couldn't go anywhere. Japan didn't want us in port, Korea didn't want us, Guam turned us away. We floated in the water for two and a half months," until Thailand took them in, she said.

All the while crew members had been suffering from excruciating diarrhea.
"People were s--tting themselves in the hallways," Cooper recalled.


sounds like bullshiat to me.


No, it's sailor sh*t.
 
2013-12-23 09:27:06 AM
Maybe they need to be bitten by radioactive animals
 
2013-12-23 09:27:15 AM

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2013-12-23 09:27:41 AM
They finally got around to avenging Hiroshima, huh?
 
2013-12-23 09:28:18 AM
Uterine bleeding? What a bunch of pussies.

/Sorry, it's Fark
 
2013-12-23 09:28:27 AM

Triumph: Fukishima? Nothing to see there. Just another "free" country  criminalizing journalism.


What's even better than lying to the public?

Making the truth illegal.
 
2013-12-23 09:30:22 AM

One Bad Apple: Ivo Shandor: TFA: "We have a multimillion-dollar radiation-detection system, but . . . it takes time to be set up and activated," Cooper said.

Um, if you're on a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier then wouldn't you leave at least some of those systems turned on 24/7?

Those are turned on but only in the propulsion spaces. This sounds like the flight deck people.


Still, they were responding to a disaster area where a nuclear plant was melting down...
 
2013-12-23 09:33:18 AM
When it comes to radiation exposure of sailors, our government has a piss-poor record.
 
2013-12-23 09:34:22 AM
The US should sue Japan for radiating our seamen.
 
2013-12-23 09:35:08 AM

SDRR: The toxic seawater was sucked into the ship's desalinization system, flowing out of its faucets and showers - still radioactive - and into the crew member's bodies.The toxic seawater was sucked into the ship's desalinization system, flowing out of its faucets and showers - still radioactive - and into the crew member's bodies.

Uh, wait, let me see if I have this straight. The ship was sailing to assist in a NUCLEAR REACTOR MELTDOWN where shiatLOADS OF RADIOACTIVE WATER WERE BEING PUMPED INTO THE OCEAN and they sailed into it without thinking about this?

Really?

Either this is one of the stupidest things ever done by anyone, ever or we are missing some facts here.


Nailed it. Either this story is chuck full of bullshiat, or there was simultaneous equipment failures coupled with a lot of people not using their heads.
 
2013-12-23 09:44:46 AM

RoxtarRyan: SDRR: The toxic seawater was sucked into the ship's desalinization system, flowing out of its faucets and showers - still radioactive - and into the crew member's bodies.The toxic seawater was sucked into the ship's desalinization system, flowing out of its faucets and showers - still radioactive - and into the crew member's bodies.

Uh, wait, let me see if I have this straight. The ship was sailing to assist in a NUCLEAR REACTOR MELTDOWN where shiatLOADS OF RADIOACTIVE WATER WERE BEING PUMPED INTO THE OCEAN and they sailed into it without thinking about this?

Really?

Either this is one of the stupidest things ever done by anyone, ever or we are missing some facts here.

Nailed it. Either this story is chuck full of bullshiat, or there was simultaneous equipment failures coupled with a lot of people not using their heads.


This.

Ivo Shandor: TFA: "We have a multimillion-dollar radiation-detection system, but . . . it takes time to be set up and activated," Cooper said.

Um, if you're on a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier then wouldn't you leave at least some of those systems turned on 24/7?


If you're floating toward a radioactive hellscape, ostensibly expecting to help, wouldn't you have Geiger counters around?
 
2013-12-23 09:50:32 AM
you joked about radioactive snow?

someone didnt pay attention in school. or was taking gallows humour waaaaay far
 
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2013-12-23 09:55:33 AM

RoxtarRyan: SDRR: The toxic seawater was sucked into the ship's desalinization system, flowing out of its faucets and showers - still radioactive - and into the crew member's bodies.The toxic seawater was sucked into the ship's desalinization system, flowing out of its faucets and showers - still radioactive - and into the crew member's bodies.

Uh, wait, let me see if I have this straight. The ship was sailing to assist in a NUCLEAR REACTOR MELTDOWN where shiatLOADS OF RADIOACTIVE WATER WERE BEING PUMPED INTO THE OCEAN and they sailed into it without thinking about this?

Really?

Either this is one of the stupidest things ever done by anyone, ever or we are missing some facts here.

Nailed it. Either this story is chuck full of bullshiat, or there was simultaneous equipment failures coupled with a lot of people not using their heads.


Also, wouldn't the Commanding Officer have been reprimanded for unnecessarily placing the crew in harms way? If that many people really were sickened and contaminated it has to degrade the operational status.
 
2013-12-23 09:56:48 AM
I have an elderly neighbor, in his late 80s now, who did occupation duty in Japan in 1946.  He showed me a picture of himself taken at ground zero in Nagasaki in 1946.  I asked him, "Weren't you afraid of the radiation?"  He replied, "They never told us about any radiation."

/Some things never change.
 
2013-12-23 09:58:01 AM
Good luck getting DOD to cover jack shiat for your ailments until your widows are dead, gentlemen.

They will drag their feet until your grandchildren sue for damages.

Fewer payouts that way.
 
2013-12-23 09:58:58 AM

Lady J: you joked about radioactive snow?

someone didnt pay attention in school. or was taking gallows humour waaaaay far



They knew they were going to get fu*ked but they were hoping they wouldn't get aids.
 
2013-12-23 10:01:30 AM
Radiation leaks don't just "happen." They would know about it before they needed a detector if they were the ones leaking it.
 
2013-12-23 10:04:17 AM
There was an article i saw somewhere, i might have to look for it, that showed that the Fukishima meltdown was as bad or worse than Chernobyl, but the Japanese government locked down access to the site and censored media and released it's own information to make it seem like it wasn't as bad as it really was.

I mean, I remember seeing and hearing reports and how the site was so safe and secure and that the damage was no where near catastrophic and that the evacuations in the area were done simply as a precaution. So it stands to reason that if our government was lied to and fooled, then yes, those troops went in thinking things were safer than they were. Had they said from the beginning that it was a meltdown of Chernobyl proportions, then I doubt that ship would have sailed anywhere near that site.

I believe there's still a lot of misinformation about how bad it really was...
 
2013-12-23 10:06:01 AM
How much radioactivity has been retained by the ship itself?  Are sailors still at risk?
 
2013-12-23 10:08:31 AM
Eternal Father, Strong to save,
Whose arm hath bound the restless wave,
Who bid'st the mighty Ocean deep
Its own appointed limits keep;
O hear us when we cry to thee,
for those in peril on the sea.

Godspeed, sailors.
 
2013-12-23 10:16:16 AM

slayer199: How much radioactivity has been retained by the ship itself?  Are sailors still at risk?


What makes you think that there's anyone who is in a position to (a) know, (b) talk, (c) tell the truth, and (d) be heard?
 
2013-12-23 10:16:58 AM
If these sailors were exposed to radiation, it will be WELL documented. They will be able to file for VA benefits for certain radiogenic diseases if they in fact have them.

/works for VA
//deciding claims
///at the station that handles all the military radiation claims.
 
2013-12-23 10:19:53 AM

NutWrench: When it comes to radiation exposure of sailors, our government has a piss-poor record.


My step-dad was there. In his tour-book, he has pictures of himself and his squadron standing in formation, exposed with welding goggles facing the blasts. He died of cancer a decade ago.
 
2013-12-23 10:20:37 AM
Governments lie all the time. Unites States included.  Just ask Christine Whitman.

http://www.democracynow.org/2007/6/26/ex_epa_head_christine_todd_whi tm an
 
2013-12-23 10:22:41 AM

log_jammin: "my thyroid is so out of whack that I can lose 60 to 70 pounds in one month and then gain it back the next,"

He says he has lost 60 percent of the power in the right side of his body and his limbs have visibly shrunk.
"I've had four MRIs, and I've been to 20 doctors," he said. "No one can figure out what is wrong."

The toxic seawater was sucked into the ship's desalinization system, flowing out of its faucets and showers - still radioactive - and into the crew member's bodies.

"And then we couldn't go anywhere. Japan didn't want us in port, Korea didn't want us, Guam turned us away. We floated in the water for two and a half months," until Thailand took them in, she said.

All the while crew members had been suffering from excruciating diarrhea.
"People were s--tting themselves in the hallways," Cooper recalled.


sounds like bullshiat to me.


If there was only some place for a carrier in the UNITED STATES Navy to go to?

I'm not saying I don't believe them and don't believe that it could be true but...I need more info.
 
2013-12-23 10:24:29 AM
When I read about them sailing into the radioactive snow made from the reactors steam plume, it reminded me of this: you approach prey from down wind, and disasters from upwind.

Seriously though, were the sailors not issued protective gear and iodine tablets? Sounds more like a failure of the commanders rather than Tepco. Of course, the military can't be sued, but Tepco can.

Good luck to the sick sailors, they're going to need it.
 
2013-12-23 10:27:13 AM
 
2013-12-23 10:27:21 AM

Fissile: I have an elderly neighbor, in his late 80s now, who did occupation duty in Japan in 1946.  He showed me a picture of himself taken at ground zero in Nagasaki in 1946.  I asked him, "Weren't you afraid of the radiation?"  He replied, "They never told us about any radiation."

/Some things never change.


I grew up a few doors down from a former Marine who's still going strong in his mid 90's he was a POW in Nagasaki when the bomb was dropped. He survived the Bataan death march as well.
 
2013-12-23 10:28:05 AM
70 sailors and not one Hulk?

Stan, you lied to us!!!
 
2013-12-23 10:32:20 AM

SDRR: The toxic seawater was sucked into the ship's desalinization system, flowing out of its faucets and showers - still radioactive - and into the crew member's bodies.The toxic seawater was sucked into the ship's desalinization system, flowing out of its faucets and showers - still radioactive - and into the crew member's bodies.

Uh, wait, let me see if I have this straight. The ship was sailing to assist in a NUCLEAR REACTOR MELTDOWN where shiatLOADS OF RADIOACTIVE WATER WERE BEING PUMPED INTO THE OCEAN and they sailed into it without thinking about this?

Really?

Either this is one of the stupidest things ever done by anyone, ever or we are missing some facts here.


The US military is known for doing incredibly stupid things.

But this one really is kinda over the top.  Going into a known radiation hazard situation without preparing?  Seriously?

They knew where they were going.  They didn't bother even setting up detectors ahead of time?
 
2013-12-23 10:32:33 AM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: NutWrench: When it comes to radiation exposure of sailors, our government has a piss-poor record.

My step-dad was there. In his tour-book, he has pictures of himself and his squadron standing in formation, exposed with welding goggles facing the blasts. He died of cancer a decade ago.


Did he get VA benefits? Is his wife still alive? Depending on the facts there may be some money available such as a lump sum 75k$ RECA payment.
 
2013-12-23 10:35:11 AM

Arkanaut:

Still, they were responding to a disaster area where a nuclear plant was melting down...


It still sounds hokey. Even if the contamination didn't originate from the onboard reactor plants it would have eventually been found by those people during routine surveys.In fact since they were responding to a known nuclear incident the ELTs would have been on notice. A carrier on deployment has about 5 or 6 thousand souls on board only 70 getting sick sounds even more hokey.


Better call Saul ?
 
2013-12-23 10:35:19 AM

Goodluckfox: If these sailors were exposed to radiation, it will be WELL documented. They will be able to file for VA benefits for certain radiogenic diseases if they in fact have them.


Are veterans able to receive VA benefits for stuff that the military denies ever happened?
 
2013-12-23 10:35:45 AM
 
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