If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(NBC News)   Some previously uninsured people are shocked, SHOCKED, to find that having health insurance doesn't mean free healthcare   (nbcnews.com) divider line 307
    More: Obvious, health insurance, high-deductible health plan, Legal Aid Society  
•       •       •

12511 clicks; posted to Main » on 22 Dec 2013 at 7:49 PM (51 weeks ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



307 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | » | Last | Show all
 
2013-12-22 05:35:10 PM  
Increasingly, experts in health insurance are becoming concerned that many of these first-time buyers will be in for a shock when they get medical care next year and discover they're on the hook for most of the initial cost.

Unlike previously, when they didn't have ANY health insurance and those medical bills magically paid themselves.

This has got to be one of the lamest Obamacare scare stories out there.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-12-22 05:38:15 PM  
I wish people arguing health care would stop using "care" and "insurance" interchangeably.

An insurance policy that has a huge deductible can still save money if the insurer negotiated a cheaper rate for its customers. Maybe an aspirin costs $20 for an uninsured patient and $5 under the Greedy Bastard Company plan. The same principle applies to car insurance. The other guy's insurance company will negotiate with your insurance company when it wouldn't negotiate with you as an individual.
 
2013-12-22 05:38:36 PM  

Dinki: Increasingly, experts in health insurance are becoming concerned that many of these first-time buyers will be in for a shock when they get medical care next year and discover they're on the hook for most of the initial cost.

Unlike previously, when they didn't have ANY health insurance and those medical bills magically paid themselves.

This has got to be one of the lamest Obamacare scare stories out there.


When I think of ObamaCare scare stories, I think of NBC News. Those damn right wingers make Alex Jones look sane. Brietbart cannot compare to the damage that NBC news has done against ObamaCare.
 
2013-12-22 05:43:31 PM  

ZAZ: I wish people arguing health care would stop using "care" and "insurance" interchangeably.

An insurance policy that has a huge deductible can still save money if the insurer negotiated a cheaper rate for its customers. Maybe an aspirin costs $20 for an uninsured patient and $5 under the Greedy Bastard Company plan. The same principle applies to car insurance. The other guy's insurance company will negotiate with your insurance company when it wouldn't negotiate with you as an individual.


This.  Too many time's I heard about ObamaCARE and how health CARE was going to improve.  While there are benefits to have insurance - mainly around preventive medicine, early detection, and better access to specialists - the whole thing was really about insurance; and like you said, people have to pay for insurance.
 
2013-12-22 05:58:45 PM  
Sounds like a good argument in favor of single-payer, Subby.
 
2013-12-22 06:01:41 PM  

propasaurus: Sounds like a good argument in favor of single-payer, Subby.


We'll get there eventually, we just have to do everything the hardest, stupidest, most painful way.
 
2013-12-22 06:19:04 PM  

Calmamity: propasaurus: Sounds like a good argument in favor of single-payer, Subby.

We'll get there eventually, we just have to do everything the hardest, stupidest, most painful way.


It's the American Way!
 
2013-12-22 06:41:14 PM  

fusillade762: Calmamity: propasaurus: Sounds like a good argument in favor of single-payer, Subby.

We'll get there eventually, we just have to do everything the hardest, stupidest, most painful way.

It's the American Way!


I think this makes it way harder to ever get to single payer. Unless it fails spectacularly, then we'll get there in a hurry.
 
2013-12-22 06:46:45 PM  

flucto: fusillade762: Calmamity: propasaurus: Sounds like a good argument in favor of single-payer, Subby.

We'll get there eventually, we just have to do everything the hardest, stupidest, most painful way.

It's the American Way!

I think this makes it way harder to ever get to single payer. Unless it fails spectacularly, then we'll get there in a hurry.


Some really charismatic white person should convince the teabaggers that single payer (you'll have to change its name at this point. Freedom Care or something) will be a good way to stick it to Obama.
 
2013-12-22 06:54:36 PM  

serial_crusher: Some really charismatic white person should convince the teabaggers that single payer (you'll have to change its name at this point. Freedom Care or something) will be a good way to stick it to Obama.


We were paying $4,000 a year per family the first year my company was in business. Now we're paying about $32,000. There's zero reason to think it won't be $100,000+ a year within a decade and at that point we'll be screaming for relief of any kind. Zombie Lenin could personally administer the mandatory daily colonoscopyies and we'd still sign up. But we still won't get single payer because reasons.
 
2013-12-22 06:56:01 PM  

serial_crusher: Some really charismatic white person should convince the teabaggers that single payer (you'll have to change its name at this point. Freedom Care or something) will be a good way to stick it to Obama.


Just tell them that it's in The Constitution.

It's not like they're going to read it to find out for themselves.
 
2013-12-22 06:56:47 PM  
I've said it before: when we finally do get single-payer in this country, it'll be the Republicans who claim all the credit for it.
 
2013-12-22 07:03:39 PM  
But the GOP's been complaining about free Obamacare for years now.I wonder where they got that idea?
 
2013-12-22 07:12:36 PM  
What the shiat? So you go through all this misery and you STILL have to pay out of pocket for health care?

What was the point of all this? Holy gods I so don't get your country.

You really actually do take the longest and most painful road to things...I feel for you mangs, seriously I do. It must suck to be smart there.
 
2013-12-22 07:12:44 PM  
I think serial_crusher has had a fantastic idea.

I would have quoted him, but I'm on an iPhone right now.

Know what else would be a fantastic idea? Making quotes editable on mobile devices so people aren't quoting the entire fu*king thread over and over.
 
2013-12-22 07:17:07 PM  

Barfmaker: What the shiat? So you go through all this misery and you STILL have to pay out of pocket for health care?

What was the point of all this? Holy gods I so don't get your country.

You really actually do take the longest and most painful road to things...I feel for you mangs, seriously I do. It must suck to be smart there.


The point is that we cannot let the welfare of the general populace come at the expense of insurance companies or else socialism.
 
2013-12-22 07:19:41 PM  

serial_crusher: flucto: fusillade762: Calmamity: propasaurus: Sounds like a good argument in favor of single-payer, Subby.

We'll get there eventually, we just have to do everything the hardest, stupidest, most painful way.

It's the American Way!

I think this makes it way harder to ever get to single payer. Unless it fails spectacularly, then we'll get there in a hurry.

Some really charismatic white person should convince the teabaggers that single payer (you'll have to change its name at this point. Freedom Care or something) will be a good way to stick it to Obama.


You know who else was a charismatic white person?

Charles Nelson Reilly
 
2013-12-22 07:45:51 PM  
Just wait until the government starts denying people coverage for pre-existing conditions and jacks up your premiums for little to no reason at all.  You'll be begging for the private insurers to save you.
 
2013-12-22 07:54:10 PM  
i1.cpcache.com
 
2013-12-22 07:56:50 PM  
We need health care army.
 
2013-12-22 07:59:19 PM  

flucto: I think this makes it way harder to ever get to single payer. Unless it fails spectacularly, then we'll get there in a hurry.


I'm half expecting one of the states to pass a single payer plan, with private insurance companies being relegated to the supplemental insurance market.  I'd put my money on Vermont being the first.
 
2013-12-22 08:00:42 PM  
The problem with the cheapest policies is that the people who have them can't afford to use them and so they still go without coverage.
 
2013-12-22 08:00:49 PM  

propasaurus: Sounds like a good argument in favor of single-payer, Subby.


A monopsony is as bad as a monopoly.
 
2013-12-22 08:01:05 PM  
It is working well, why complain?
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-12-22 08:01:55 PM  

Mike_LowELL: Just wait until the government starts denying people coverage for pre-existing conditions and jacks up your premiums for little to no reason at all.  You'll be begging for the private insurers to save you.


There is no corporate peen you won't fellate, is there Mike?
 
2013-12-22 08:02:02 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: propasaurus: Sounds like a good argument in favor of single-payer, Subby.

A monopsony is as bad as a monopoly.


Yeah. And monopsony music put viruses on my old computer.
 
2013-12-22 08:02:05 PM  

Descartes:


Exactly.
 
2013-12-22 08:02:26 PM  
Should've negotiated for the death panels option.
 
2013-12-22 08:03:09 PM  
I for one am shocked that the health care reform bill written by the largest insurance company's lobbyist is leading to people being forced to pay for a for profit insurance plan with an enormous deductible so they don't actually have to reimburse you for the cost of the sort of medical treatment most people get in a year.

SHOCKED, I say
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-12-22 08:04:26 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: propasaurus: Sounds like a good argument in favor of single-payer, Subby.

A monopsony is as bad as a monopoly.


Wide sweeping generalization... and only one made by someone who things money should be made on EVERYTHING.  No one has ever convinced me that there is an right to make money on healthcare.  AFAIC insurers should take a long walk off a short pier.
 
2013-12-22 08:05:11 PM  

Dinjiin: flucto: I think this makes it way harder to ever get to single payer. Unless it fails spectacularly, then we'll get there in a hurry.

I'm half expecting one of the states to pass a single payer plan, with private insurance companies being relegated to the supplemental insurance market.  I'd put my money on Vermont being the first.


Either Vermont or New Hampshire already did.
 
2013-12-22 08:05:12 PM  
Yeah, this isn't socialized medicine (what we need), it's a car insurance racket. The only people this benefits are insurance corporations.
 
2013-12-22 08:06:21 PM  

Barfmaker: What the shiat? So you go through all this misery and you STILL have to pay out of pocket for health care?

What was the point of all this? Holy gods I so don't get your country.

You really actually do take the longest and most painful road to things...I feel for you mangs, seriously I do. It must suck to be smart there.


One thing I'll never understand is how folks with single payer think they aren't paying for it, like the cost for care grows on trees. Somebody is paying for it. If it ain't you, then who gives a shiat.

Having said that, health care in this country is farked. We take baby steps toward "fixing" it but won't attack it from the side that needs attacked: The cost side. Somebody is getting filthy farking rich off $35 Tylenols not to mention pill pushing salesmen making hundreds of thou a year in compensation. Maybe single payer will solve that, but I can't help but think that the money people will make us all pay in blood before that comes about.
 
2013-12-22 08:06:24 PM  

BullBearMS: I for one am shocked that the health care reform bill written by the largest insurance company's lobbyist is leading to people being forced to pay for a for profit insurance plan with an enormous deductible so they don't actually have to reimburse you for the cost of the sort of medical treatment most people get in a year.

SHOCKED, I say


pure insanity!
 
2013-12-22 08:07:04 PM  

BullBearMS: I for one am shocked that the health care reform bill written by the largest insurance company's lobbyist


One of the largest pieces of corporate welfare in our times yet Republican lawmakers are outraged by it.  It is like a bad case of bizarro politics.
 
2013-12-22 08:07:46 PM  

BullBearMS: Either Vermont or New Hampshire already did.


Last I heard, they were still just thinking about it.
 
2013-12-22 08:08:00 PM  
fta ...experts in health insurance are becoming concerned... "I am so deeply clueless about all of this," acknowledged one new buyer,... Hospitals are worried... The complexities of insurance are eye-glazing even for those who have it.

If only there were some sort of nationwide tax-based system that would eliminate these concerns and complexities.
 
2013-12-22 08:08:32 PM  

Calmamity: I think serial_crusher has had a fantastic idea.

I would have quoted him, but I'm on an iPhone right now.

Know what else would be a fantastic idea? Making quotes editable on mobile devices so people aren't quoting the entire fu*king thread over and over.


The desktop version works semi-decently on a Nexus 5 or any modern tablet.
 
2013-12-22 08:09:11 PM  

Dinjiin: BullBearMS: I for one am shocked that the health care reform bill written by the largest insurance company's lobbyist

One of the largest pieces of corporate welfare in our times yet Republican lawmakers are outraged by it.  It is like a bad case of bizarro politics.


Of course they're outraged. Not their constituents. They want the massive corporate welfare going to THEIR friends, not the Democrats' friends.
 
2013-12-22 08:09:15 PM  
Funny, the people pushing for single payer have often been the ones who have shown the most support for Obamacare in the past.  Yeah, you sold us snake oil once, why should we listen again?
 
2013-12-22 08:09:42 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Yeah, this isn't socialized medicine (what we need), it's a car insurance racket. The only people this benefits are insurance corporations.


Politicians that rake in contributions from insurance corporations also are winners.
 
2013-12-22 08:09:46 PM  
This isn't surprising to me at all but it doesn't have anything to do with Obamacare.  I have tried to help a few co-workers understand the choices they have with our employer-sponsored plans (actually not much of a choice anymore) and most of the people I talk to have absolutely no idea how any of it works, don't understand deductibles or out-of-pocket maximums, no idea what their plans cover, and pretty much think that insurance companies and health care providers are the same thing.  I don't ascribe this to scare tactics, but more to the fact that the average American is an idiot.
 
2013-12-22 08:10:32 PM  

06Wahoo: Funny, the people pushing for single payer have often been the ones who have shown the most support for Obamacare in the past.  Yeah, you sold us snake oil once, why should we listen again?


Only the Sith deal in absolutes
 
2013-12-22 08:12:02 PM  

Notabunny: fta ...experts in health insurance are becoming concerned... "I am so deeply clueless about all of this," acknowledged one new buyer,... Hospitals are worried... The complexities of insurance are eye-glazing even for those who have it.

If only there were some sort of nationwide tax-based system that would eliminate these concerns and complexities.


Uh...have you ever filed taxes before? Do you know why the tax code is a multi-volume thing? Hint: It's not from all the concerns and complexities it eliminates.
 
2013-12-22 08:12:43 PM  

HempHead: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Yeah, this isn't socialized medicine (what we need), it's a car insurance racket. The only people this benefits are insurance corporations.

Politicians that rake in contributions from insurance corporations also are winners.


Oh, I'm sure there are some very lucrative consultant openings for the sponsors of the ACA once they leave office.
 
2013-12-22 08:13:58 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: You know who else was a charismatic white person?

Charles Nelson Reilly


Don't forget Paul Lynde too.

For the life of me, I can't see what this insurance mandate is doing to really help anyone.  The way it was, if you couldn't afford insurance, you didn't pay for insurance, and you got hit with a bunch of medical bills.  Now, if you can't afford insurance, you'll either pay for a crappy policy that doesn't cover anything worthwhile, or you'll pay an uninsured-person tax (I don't care *what* they choose to call it, that's what it is), and at the end of the day, you'll still be responsible for those same medical bills.

I'm the furthest thing from a bleeding-heart liberal there is, but the practical reality is that Obamacare isn't going to do anything to actually mitigate health care costs, and the only way I can see to do that is to nationalize the health care system.  It's just too expensive to maintain as it is.  I recently had a deep cleaning done at the dentist, which took about 90 minutes of a hygienist's time, five minutes of the dentist's time, and cost $700.  That's just ridiculous.
 
2013-12-22 08:14:03 PM  
You know, if only we could have known what was in the bill before we voted on it...
 
2013-12-22 08:14:47 PM  

Barfmaker: What the shiat? So you go through all this misery and you STILL have to pay out of pocket for health care?

What was the point of all this? Holy gods I so don't get your country.

You really actually do take the longest and most painful road to things...I feel for you mangs, seriously I do. It must suck to be smart there.


Americans want for-profit insurance companies in charge of their healthcare. I don't know why, but they do.
 
2013-12-22 08:16:23 PM  

Nick Nostril: Barfmaker: What the shiat? So you go through all this misery and you STILL have to pay out of pocket for health care?

What was the point of all this? Holy gods I so don't get your country.

You really actually do take the longest and most painful road to things...I feel for you mangs, seriously I do. It must suck to be smart there.

One thing I'll never understand is how folks with single payer think they aren't paying for it, like the cost for care grows on trees. Somebody is paying for it. If it ain't you, then who gives a shiat.

Having said that, health care in this country is farked. We take baby steps toward "fixing" it but won't attack it from the side that needs attacked: The cost side. Somebody is getting filthy farking rich off $35 Tylenols not to mention pill pushing salesmen making hundreds of thou a year in compensation. Maybe single payer will solve that, but I can't help but think that the money people will make us all pay in blood before that comes about.


Ireland pays 1/2 of what the US pays for health care.

www.lean.org
 
2013-12-22 08:16:58 PM  

Jument: Barfmaker: What the shiat? So you go through all this misery and you STILL have to pay out of pocket for health care?

What was the point of all this? Holy gods I so don't get your country.

You really actually do take the longest and most painful road to things...I feel for you mangs, seriously I do. It must suck to be smart there.

Americans want for-profit insurance companies in charge of their healthcare. I don't know why, but they do.


Nixon, you dolt!
 
Displayed 50 of 307 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | » | Last | Show all

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »
On Twitter





In Other Media


  1. Links are submitted by members of the Fark community.

  2. When community members submit a link, they also write a custom headline for the story.

  3. Other Farkers comment on the links. This is the number of comments. Click here to read them.

  4. Click here to submit a link.

Report