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2013-12-22 02:34:56 PM
OK, I'll guess with the candlestick in the library?
 
2013-12-22 03:09:41 PM
Before anyone says it:

Knowing who did it is not the same as being able to PROVE they did it; and prosecutors only get one shot at making their case.
 
2013-12-22 03:12:34 PM
If you don't have proof, then you don't know the person is guilty.
 
2013-12-22 03:13:10 PM
Hearsay information, no physical evidence. They're pretty sure someone who was 15 at the time did it, they left the area the following year.
 
2013-12-22 03:18:00 PM
The new information pointed to a man who was 15 years old at the time of Gallo's death, and was reported a runaway to Shelton police the morning of the killing.
About a year after the crime, the boy left the state and hasn't returned since.
Police say he currently lives in Alabama.


Don't these comments automatically taint the investigation?

Sounds to me like they really want this kid they're fingering as a scapegoat to take the rap, but even they cannot come up with enough BS to justify an arrest that'll stick in court.
 
2013-12-22 03:18:47 PM

Lady Indica: Hearsay information, no physical evidence. They're pretty sure someone who was 15 at the time did it, they left the area the following year.


I would GTFO out of there too if I knew some cops were trying to frame me for murder.
 
2013-12-22 03:18:55 PM
Further difficulty: no vigilante justice or associated techniques. Also, no Nancy Grace.
 
2013-12-22 03:22:05 PM
Is his last name Zimmerman?
 
2013-12-22 03:23:05 PM
Bugs Meany's gonna walk

/nice try boy detective
//sally can't save you now
 
2013-12-22 03:23:14 PM
Anybody else creeped out by the use of homicide victims on playing cards?
 
2013-12-22 03:25:46 PM
Stay out of Idaville!
 
2013-12-22 03:28:25 PM

Gordon Bennett: If you don't have proof, then you don't know the person is guilty.


What are your feelings about Casey Anthony?
 
2013-12-22 03:30:06 PM

hardinparamedic: Gordon Bennett: If you don't have proof, then you don't know the person is guilty.

What are your feelings about Casey Anthony?


Not Guilty as all hell!
/Guilty as sin but we can't prove it. Like OJ and Zimmerman.
 
2013-12-22 03:33:42 PM
Subby, you live in a dreamworld. It doesn't matter what I believe. It only matters what I can prove! So please, don't tell me what I know, or don't know; I know the LAW.
 
2013-12-22 03:36:56 PM
I thinks there may be some layers to this onion
 
2013-12-22 03:39:11 PM
"Police believe Gallo was just in the wrong place at the wrong time, victimized by an armed burglar who had entered the house looking for quick grabs. "

Bullshiat and fark that. He was in his own house , the right place at any time.
 
2013-12-22 03:43:28 PM

Lady Indica: Hearsay information, no physical evidence. They're pretty sure someone who was 15 at the time did it, they left the area the following year.


Murder in a guy's house and no forensic info to prove the guy guilty or not? Either he was a 15 year old master criminal. Or that's some mighty fine police work.
 
2013-12-22 03:50:51 PM


"Enough is enough," Lindsay said. "I get really angry when I see other cold cases getting solved. I'm like 'Come on, you solved it with a hair sample from 30 years ago? Really?' I'm happy for that family, but I'm jealous and I'm angry. Why do they get it and we don't?"


... with all due respect, maybe you should see someone.



She said she still has to deal with the ramifications, even in day-to-day interactions with others.

"People I meet now they think my parents are divorced. Sometimes it's just easier to let them think that," Lindsay said. "It's just easier than explaining the real reason."


And my cousin lost my aunt when we were 5 or 6. A friend of mine is an orphan and was raised by her older brother from 12 on. You can just simply say he's passed on, and drop it. I also don't know how often my parents come up in conversation with meeting new people. Sigh.

Also,

TV's Vinnie: Sounds to me like they really want this kid they're fingering as a scapegoat to take the rap, but even they cannot come up with enough BS to justify an arrest that'll stick in court.


this.
 
2013-12-22 03:51:05 PM
Francis Gallo? He's innocent! They need to look for Francis Callo, with a C.


natsukashi.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-12-22 04:07:48 PM

TV's Vinnie: Lady Indica: Hearsay information, no physical evidence. They're pretty sure someone who was 15 at the time did it, they left the area the following year.

I would GTFO out of there too if I knew some cops were trying to frame me for murder.


 THIS. Small towns cops look at you for something, you get the Fark out of town. Things get too political there, they will find a way to make you pay regardless of innocence - especially if they are sure of your innocence.
 Kid I used to play chess with skipped town when they fingered him for a murder, one where everyone already knew who had committed it. Eventually they caught, extradited, andput him on trial, convinced DNA would nail him. It didn't; their 'smoking gun' wasn't a match to him, so they convicted him almost solely on the fact he ran in the first place. This is the same town, even some of the same people prosecuting, that was in the news over the Tim Masters conviction. Another kid I knew missed an appointment and was found beaten and with restraint marks dead in a running car in his garage. Suicide of course.

 Truth is often a rare commodity when the people involved all know each other.
 
2013-12-22 04:15:33 PM

Danger Avoid Death: Anybody else creeped out by the use of homicide victims on playing cards?


They hand them out for free in the prisons. The hope is that it will encourage somebody to come forward with information, either from a guilty conscience or from overhearing somebody talking about the people on the cards. It works sometimes.
 
2013-12-22 04:25:51 PM

hardinparamedic: Gordon Bennett: If you don't have proof, then you don't know the person is guilty.

What are your feelings about Casey Anthony?


I had to transcribed the whole trial for a tv special that aired. Regardless of how guilty she was, regardless of the public defamation of her, of her misgivings, of her misdirections, of her lies, etc. the prosecutor had a great case on lying to the police, but had nothing for her committing the murder. The evidence just simply wasn't there, and I'm a firm believer in innocent until proven guilty. I would have ruled the same way the trial played out.
 
2013-12-22 04:35:02 PM

The_Eliminator: Danger Avoid Death: Anybody else creeped out by the use of homicide victims on playing cards?

They hand them out for free in the prisons. The hope is that it will encourage somebody to come forward with information, either from a guilty conscience or from overhearing somebody talking about the people on the cards. It works sometimes.


Jailhouse informants are really great for getting convictions. Especially if you don't care if the guy you are trying is guilty.
 
2013-12-22 04:42:30 PM

opiumpoopy: Lady Indica: Hearsay information, no physical evidence. They're pretty sure someone who was 15 at the time did it, they left the area the following year.

Murder in a guy's house and no forensic info to prove the guy guilty or not? Either he was a 15 year old master criminal. Or that's some mighty fine police work.


What evidence do you expect to be found? If he didn't leave fingerprints, which is common and he didn't leave any bodily fluids at the scene there often isn't much to go on. This isn't CSI where there are magical tools to find stuff that probably isn't really there.  All he had to do then is toss the gun in a lake and there is no physical link between him and the crime.

Oh, and if they were looking to frame him they would not be appealing to people for information, they would have "found" something to tie him to it long ago.  It sounds like they are trying to do it right and get rid of the reasonable doubt that may still exist if they go to trial.
 
2013-12-22 04:43:26 PM

thatboyoverthere: hardinparamedic: Gordon Bennett: If you don't have proof, then you don't know the person is guilty.

What are your feelings about Casey Anthony?

Not Guilty as all hell!
/Guilty as sin but we can't prove it. Like OJ and Zimmerman.


I know it was a long time ago, but there's nothing to prove with the Zimmerman case--he murdered a kid, admitted it, the police know it, etc., but it's just that murder's not illegal in Florida.

/drink, suckers.
 
2013-12-22 05:18:33 PM

Beauf: opiumpoopy: Lady Indica: Hearsay information, no physical evidence. They're pretty sure someone who was 15 at the time did it, they left the area the following year.

Murder in a guy's house and no forensic info to prove the guy guilty or not? Either he was a 15 year old master criminal. Or that's some mighty fine police work.

What evidence do you expect to be found? If he didn't leave fingerprints, which is common and he didn't leave any bodily fluids at the scene there often isn't much to go on. This isn't CSI where there are magical tools to find stuff that probably isn't really there.  All he had to do then is toss the gun in a lake and there is no physical link between him and the crime.

Oh, and if they were looking to frame him they would not be appealing to people for information, they would have "found" something to tie him to it long ago.  It sounds like they are trying to do it right and get rid of the reasonable doubt that may still exist if they go to trial.


This, and this again.

It is insanely hard to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, regardless of both CSI and a few high-profile trials like OJ and Casey Anthony. Despite what TV crime dramas would have you believe (or even better done documentaries on TruTV and A&E), cops do not vacuum the entire house looking for one single strand of hair or flake of skin; they don't routinely dust for prints in every crack and crevice; and often bullets are so fragmented they cannot be used for any useful ballistic comparison. If you wonder why, just think about how many people have been in YOUR house lately and left DNA traces all over the place, not to mention all the DNA traces attached to their filthy bodies. All that would have to be excluded if you were murdered and the cops went over your house like Grissom and his team on CSI. Usually that's only done if there's good reason to believe that nobody but the killer and victims have been in the house since it was last cleaned (which is rare) and/or other DNA donors can easily be excluded.

And as far as "framing", that seldom happens either, at least not in the way people usually use the term. What more often happens is that cops focus on one likely suspect--often a family member or local thug--and then devote all their efforts to a) making that person confess, and b) gather all evidence that tends to prove that person committed the crime, usually at the expense of ignoring evidence that would exonerate him or implicate someone else. That's different from a genuine frame, and usually there IS evidence that would implicate the suspect, it's just wrong or there's better evidence that would exculpate him. Because generally speaking if someone you know was murdered, there's evidence that would implicate YOU, even if you had nothing to do with it. It's whether there's better evidence implicating someone else.
 
2013-12-22 05:50:34 PM
Even the submitter can't be bothered to READ THE F**KING ARTICLE? The murder happened 21 years ago not 10 years!
 
2013-12-22 06:12:23 PM

Gordon Bennett: If you don't have proof, then you don't know the person is guilty.


This.

bratface: Even the submitter can't be bothered to READ THE F**KING ARTICLE? The murder happened 21 years ago not 10 years!


Better than the average headline. Subby got the murder part, at least.
 
2013-12-22 08:47:06 PM
subby: ....  solve 10 yr old unusual murder in a small Connecticut town. Difficulty, police know who did it and where he lives

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So, pretty much another episode of Monk, then?
 
2013-12-22 08:59:25 PM

HighZoolander: Francis Gallo? He's innocent! They need to look for Francis Callo, with a C.


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Your Honor, he was a yoot that moved to Alabama.
 
2013-12-22 11:09:25 PM

TV's Vinnie: Lady Indica: Hearsay information, no physical evidence. They're pretty sure someone who was 15 at the time did it, they left the area the following year.

I would GTFO out of there too if I knew some cops were trying to frame me for murder.


Unless I misread the article, as a fifteen year old, you would GTFO because you are some kind of wizard and knew some cops were going to try to frame uou for murder...two decades later?
 
2013-12-22 11:13:10 PM

RINO: TV's Vinnie: Lady Indica: Hearsay information, no physical evidence. They're pretty sure someone who was 15 at the time did it, they left the area the following year.

I would GTFO out of there too if I knew some cops were trying to frame me for murder.

Unless I misread the article, as a fifteen year old, you would GTFO because you are some kind of wizard and knew some cops were going to try to frame uou for murder...two decades later?


No, it sounds like they were really hassling this kid and were making it very clear that he was going to be the one they were going to come after, so he made himself scarce. Cops aren't for Justice. They just want to stick people into cages. Innocence is no defense.
 
2013-12-22 11:24:01 PM

TV's Vinnie: RINO: TV's Vinnie: Lady Indica: Hearsay information, no physical evidence. They're pretty sure someone who was 15 at the time did it, they left the area the following year.

I would GTFO out of there too if I knew some cops were trying to frame me for murder.

Unless I misread the article, as a fifteen year old, you would GTFO because you are some kind of wizard and knew some cops were going to try to frame uou for murder...two decades later?

No, it sounds like they were really hassling this kid and were making it very clear that he was going to be the one they were going to come after, so he made himself scarce. Cops aren't for Justice. They just want to stick people into cages. Innocence is no defense.


The murder was in '92. The fifteen year lod was never even considered a suspect, much less a person of interest, until a tip sometime after 2003. Your disdain of law enforcement seems to affecting your reading comprehension.
 
2013-12-22 11:27:03 PM

TV's Vinnie: RINO: TV's Vinnie: Lady Indica: Hearsay information, no physical evidence. They're pretty sure someone who was 15 at the time did it, they left the area the following year.

I would GTFO out of there too if I knew some cops were trying to frame me for murder.

Unless I misread the article, as a fifteen year old, you would GTFO because you are some kind of wizard and knew some cops were going to try to frame uou for murder...two decades later?

No, it sounds like they were really hassling this kid and were making it very clear that he was going to be the one they were going to come after, so he made himself scarce. Cops aren't for Justice. They just want to stick people into cages. Innocence is no defense.


Or he did it and fled the area because he wanted to get away from the police pressure and because it is a common thing to physically distance yourself from your crime in order to psychologically distance yourself from it. And yes, I am sure the cops just want to put people in cages, thus leaving killers out in the community with their loved ones.
 
2013-12-23 12:00:34 AM

Beauf: And yes, I am sure the cops just want to put people in cages, thus leaving killers out in the community with their loved ones.


How much candy is in that Candyland you keep up your own ass?
 
2013-12-23 12:10:56 AM

TV's Vinnie: Beauf: And yes, I am sure the cops just want to put people in cages, thus leaving killers out in the community with their loved ones.

How much candy is in that Candyland you keep up your own ass?


Ahh yes, your logic and well thought out argument has convinced me, the police want to do something that makes absolutely no sense for no apparent reason to completely random people.
 
2013-12-23 12:39:13 AM

Beauf: TV's Vinnie: Beauf: And yes, I am sure the cops just want to put people in cages, thus leaving killers out in the community with their loved ones.

How much candy is in that Candyland you keep up your own ass?

Ahh yes, your logic and well thought out argument has convinced me, the police want to do something that makes absolutely no sense for no apparent reason to completely random people.


No. It's because you assume that there's not a single innocent person in prison, and the police are very thorough and fairminded Champions of the Pursuit of Justice.

americasvoiceonline.org
 
2013-12-23 12:57:56 AM

TV's Vinnie: Beauf: TV's Vinnie: Beauf: And yes, I am sure the cops just want to put people in cages, thus leaving killers out in the community with their loved ones.

How much candy is in that Candyland you keep up your own ass?

Ahh yes, your logic and well thought out argument has convinced me, the police want to do something that makes absolutely no sense for no apparent reason to completely random people.

No. It's because you assume that there's not a single innocent person in prison, and the police are very thorough and fairminded Champions of the Pursuit of Justice.

[americasvoiceonline.org image 500x402]


You assume a lot about my assumptions.  You then go on to make accusations against the police in this case when you have no evidence to back it up (hello pot, meet kettle). You are clearly quite fairminded in your assessment of the situation and the police, who are apparently opposed to justice and who seek to put innocent people in a cage when there is no incentive to do so. Lord knows there is no way that there is a lot of evidence pointing to this person, but they are lacking a final piece to remove the last bit of reasonable doubt. It must be hard to go through life as such an angry, paranoid person who is full of so much hate.
 
2013-12-23 01:06:23 AM

Beauf: TV's Vinnie: Beauf: TV's Vinnie: Beauf: And yes, I am sure the cops just want to put people in cages, thus leaving killers out in the community with their loved ones.

How much candy is in that Candyland you keep up your own ass?

Ahh yes, your logic and well thought out argument has convinced me, the police want to do something that makes absolutely no sense for no apparent reason to completely random people.

No. It's because you assume that there's not a single innocent person in prison, and the police are very thorough and fairminded Champions of the Pursuit of Justice.

[americasvoiceonline.org image 500x402]

You assume a lot about my assumptions.  You then go on to make accusations against the police in this case when you have no evidence to back it up (hello pot, meet kettle). You are clearly quite fairminded in your assessment of the situation and the police, who are apparently opposed to justice and who seek to put innocent people in a cage when there is no incentive to do so. Lord knows there is no way that there is a lot of evidence pointing to this person, but they are lacking a final piece to remove the last bit of reasonable doubt. It must be hard to go through life as such an angry, paranoid person who is full of so much hate.


Well, tell me why they bothered to mention about the kid as a suspect in the press? Sounds like they're fishing for anything they can use to have him behind bars?

If someone calls in any tips that may not pertain to this former kid, what are the chances the cops will disregard it?
 
2013-12-23 01:19:57 AM
This looks like a job for Not proven

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2013-12-23 01:22:20 AM

TV's Vinnie: Beauf: TV's Vinnie: Beauf: TV's Vinnie: Beauf: And yes, I am sure the cops just want to put people in cages, thus leaving killers out in the community with their loved ones.

How much candy is in that Candyland you keep up your own ass?

Ahh yes, your logic and well thought out argument has convinced me, the police want to do something that makes absolutely no sense for no apparent reason to completely random people.

No. It's because you assume that there's not a single innocent person in prison, and the police are very thorough and fairminded Champions of the Pursuit of Justice.

[americasvoiceonline.org image 500x402]

You assume a lot about my assumptions.  You then go on to make accusations against the police in this case when you have no evidence to back it up (hello pot, meet kettle). You are clearly quite fairminded in your assessment of the situation and the police, who are apparently opposed to justice and who seek to put innocent people in a cage when there is no incentive to do so. Lord knows there is no way that there is a lot of evidence pointing to this person, but they are lacking a final piece to remove the last bit of reasonable doubt. It must be hard to go through life as such an angry, paranoid person who is full of so much hate.

Well, tell me why they bothered to mention about the kid as a suspect in the press? Sounds like they're fishing for anything they can use to have him behind bars?

If someone calls in any tips that may not pertain to this former kid, what are the chances the cops will disregard it?


What evidence do you have to back that up? They specifically mentioned that they were not giving out many details in order to preserve the integrity of the investigation. In other words, they want to make sure the information they get is valid by keeping details only people with actual knowledge of the crime would have out of the press.  Given the fact that they think a second person was present at the time of the crime they would probably be very interested in other people who come up. Since you seem to get most of your ideas on how the police operate from TV maybe you should watch a few more of the shows like 48 Hours Mystery and you will see that a huge number of those investigations start out with one person being the initial focus of the investigation (those people are not randomly selected, there is a reason they are being looked at), only to have something change the direction it is going. Sometimes that happens more than once before the police make an arrest, the DA finds that there is enough to go ahead, the judge finds that there is probable cause to proceed to trial, and a jury finds proof beyond a reasonable doubt. There are several steps and checks between the police wanting to put someone in a cage and them ending up there. It is not a perfect system, but it is better than the alternatives.

You still have not explained why the police want to put innocent people in cages while letting the guilty go free in the same communities they and their families live in.
 
2013-12-23 01:52:08 AM

Beauf: You still have not explained why the police want to put innocent people in cages while letting the guilty go free in the same communities they and their families live in.


Well, one reason could be that they think that the chances of them or their families being victimized by that guilty person are in fact very low, while the chances of them getting public recognition and probably a promotion for clearing up a high-profile case are quite high, so the risk/reward calculation comes down hard on the side of the reward.
 
2013-12-23 02:17:49 AM

Beauf: You still have not explained why the police want to put innocent people in cages while letting the guilty go free in the same communities they and their families live in.


Perhaps you might wnat to explain it to this guy?


http://blogs.ajc.com/news-to-me/2013/11/13/innocent-man-free-after-1 0- years-in-prison-for-murder/
 
2013-12-23 06:06:08 AM

Beauf: Or he did it and fled the area because he wanted to get away from the police pressure and because it is a common thing to physically distance yourself from your crime in order to psychologically distance yourself from it.


Right, no 16 year old ever runs away from home because they're escaping an abusive family, or a shiathole town, or got kicked out, or going through a real bad phase of life. So let's just assume he's escaping the guilt of a murder, that sounds likely.

It sounds like they zeroed in on the guy with absolutely zero evidence just because someone brought up his name once. After 21 years, nothing but a deathbed confession is ever going to tie him to anything, anyway; it's time to close the books.
 
2013-12-23 06:50:57 PM
Were there any skakels free at the time?
 
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