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(UPI)   Best place to detonate a car bomb: near a crowd of people, such as a market, a large government building, or a crowded police checkpoint where vehicles get searched for bombs   (upi.com) divider line 38
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2013-12-22 08:38:48 AM
Not going to say anything about this, but...

fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com
 
NFA [TotalFark]
2013-12-22 09:22:05 AM
"or a crowded police checkpoint where vehicles get searched for bombs ".

This is perfectly acceptable because it only kills government officials and the general public. It doesn't harm businesses or any type of enterprise so it gets the full approval of the 1%
 
2013-12-22 09:59:27 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Not going to say anything about this, but...

[fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com image 850x553]


This is exactly why the Israelis do it the way they do.  Multiple tiers of security that spread out the people and reduce concentration of targets.

Of course, they have a much smaller number of airports to secure, and spend more on the resources to do so than we are willing to.
 
2013-12-22 10:00:55 AM

Rustico: AverageAmericanGuy: Not going to say anything about this, but...

[fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com image 850x553]

This is exactly why the Israelis do it the way they do.  Multiple tiers of security that spread out the people and reduce concentration of targets.

Of course, they have a much smaller number of airports to secure, and spend more on the resources to do so than we are willing to.


They also don't have morons running their security checkpoints. That helps a lot.
 
2013-12-22 10:07:04 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: They also don't have morons running their security checkpoints. That helps a lot.


Again, they actually spend significant money to run heir security operation.  And they don't complain about the privacy costs, as far as I can tell.

We have a weird "it can't cost anything/It has to be perfectly effective/it can't violate any privacy rights" attitude here that pretty-much guarantees failure.
 
2013-12-22 10:09:11 AM

Rustico: AverageAmericanGuy: They also don't have morons running their security checkpoints. That helps a lot.

Again, they actually spend significant money to run heir security operation.  And they don't complain about the privacy costs, as far as I can tell.

We have a weird "it can't cost anything/It has to be perfectly effective/it can't violate any privacy rights" attitude here that pretty-much guarantees failure.


I wouldn't mind a "Metal detectors and x-ray devices are used and anyone who wants to come to the gate can" system. Like it was back in the mid-90s.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-12-22 11:50:48 AM

Rustico: AverageAmericanGuy: They also don't have morons running their security checkpoints. That helps a lot.

Again, they actually spend significant money to run heir security operation.  And they don't complain about the privacy costs, as far as I can tell.

We have a weird "it can't cost anything/It has to be perfectly effective/it can't violate any privacy rights" attitude here that pretty-much guarantees failure.


You have to be kidding on the cost thing. We dumptruck money into things like the TSA.
 
2013-12-22 11:51:47 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: I wouldn't mind a "Metal detectors and x-ray devices are used and anyone who wants to come to the gate can" system. Like it was back in the mid-90s.


or before that when there were no restrictions. but i'm old.

i miss going with my departing guests and waiting until their plane comes. or meeting them as they get off the plane. many happy times. of course it also lead to a cliche at work that you didn't want Curious to take you to the airport. that happened when you had driven to town in your company car and no longer had the use of it. or a job.
 
2013-12-22 11:53:03 AM
You all forgot to mention the part about the racial profiling and other stuff that wouldn't fly in the first world.
 
2013-12-22 11:57:49 AM
Did they say they were "down with evil baby!" before they detonated?
 
2013-12-22 12:02:08 PM

gja: Rustico: AverageAmericanGuy: They also don't have morons running their security checkpoints. That helps a lot.

Again, they actually spend significant money to run heir security operation.  And they don't complain about the privacy costs, as far as I can tell.

We have a weird "it can't cost anything/It has to be perfectly effective/it can't violate any privacy rights" attitude here that pretty-much guarantees failure.

You have to be kidding on the cost thing. We dumptruck money into things like the TSA.


We dumptruck money, as you say, but never to where it needs to go.  Rather than pay enough so that we attract reasonably bright people, then retain them, or spend money on drills and training (which also helps weed out the idiots) we spend tons of money on wonder technology that doesn't really work, but was made by people who had pretty good lobbyist.
 
2013-12-22 12:02:48 PM
Benghazi!!!!
 
2013-12-22 12:02:51 PM
Islam killing islam. Why doesn't this have the "Amusing" tag?
 
2013-12-22 12:03:00 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: Rustico: AverageAmericanGuy: They also don't have morons running their security checkpoints. That helps a lot.

Again, they actually spend significant money to run heir security operation.  And they don't complain about the privacy costs, as far as I can tell.

We have a weird "it can't cost anything/It has to be perfectly effective/it can't violate any privacy rights" attitude here that pretty-much guarantees failure.

I wouldn't mind a "Metal detectors and x-ray devices are used and anyone who wants to come to the gate can" system. Like it was back in the mid-90s.


I'd add one feature that's actually proven to work: brief interviews with each passenger to assess for suspicious behavior.  I've gone through this checking in for a few random international flights - it doesn't add a big burden for the passengers, only answering a few innocuous questions, but requires personnel who are trained to do more than push a button and wave people forward.

But instead of actually looking at behavior, we either target people based on skin color or, once that stirs up the appropriate outrage, make a big show of randomly selecting from everyone, down to a confused granma and wide eyed little Suzie, for extra screening.

\This system will never be implemented, though, because it doesn't require big boondoggle contracts for patented systems sold by well-connected individuals.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-12-22 12:05:56 PM

Some Coke Drinking Guy: gja: Rustico: AverageAmericanGuy: They also don't have morons running their security checkpoints. That helps a lot.

Again, they actually spend significant money to run heir security operation.  And they don't complain about the privacy costs, as far as I can tell.

We have a weird "it can't cost anything/It has to be perfectly effective/it can't violate any privacy rights" attitude here that pretty-much guarantees failure.

You have to be kidding on the cost thing. We dumptruck money into things like the TSA.

We dumptruck money, as you say, but never to where it needs to go.  Rather than pay enough so that we attract reasonably bright people, then retain them, or spend money on drills and training (which also helps weed out the idiots) we spend tons of money on wonder technology that doesn't really work, but was made by people who had pretty good lobbyist.


Well, there you have hit the proverbial 'nail on the head'.
 
2013-12-22 12:18:10 PM

OnlyM3: Islam killing islam. Why doesn't this have the "Amusing" tag?


So you find mass murder amusing. Do you own guns, and Isolate yourself from others? Do you hate your parents? Were you bullied as a child?
 
2013-12-22 12:20:31 PM

sparkeyjames: OnlyM3: Islam killing islam. Why doesn't this have the "Amusing" tag?

So you find mass murder amusing. Do you own guns, and Isolate yourself from others? Do you hate your parents? Were you bullied as a child?


Yes. What are you implying?
 
2013-12-22 12:20:44 PM
www.niquette.com

See all those cars and parking lots around the airport? No security other than a ticket machine or a rentacop in an airconditioned  booth. Plant a loud, nasty car bomb there and the airport will shut down, regardless of what's going on the airport itself. Stick it underneath someone's car in the lot and they probably won't even track you after the fact.  Do that in a MAJOR airport (NY LA etc) and the whole air transportsystem nationwide will shut down.

And we're still obsessed about 6 ounces of hand lotion in a handbag.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-12-22 12:29:32 PM

Metaluna Mutant: [www.niquette.com image 503x302]

See all those cars and parking lots around the airport? No security other than a ticket machine or a rentacop in an airconditioned  booth. Plant a loud, nasty car bomb there and the airport will shut down, regardless of what's going on the airport itself. Stick it underneath someone's car in the lot and they probably won't even track you after the fact.  Do that in a MAJOR airport (NY LA etc) and the whole air transportsystem nationwide will shut down.

And we're still obsessed about 6 ounces of hand lotion in a handbag.


Sadly, this is true and accurate.
I will be traveling to VA in the new year. And I will grab a seat on Amtrak. Even though it take 4 times as long and costs more than flying.
I refuse to deal with the nonsense and circus that has become our air travel industry. I can only imagine how hard other countries laugh at our shenanigans.
 
2013-12-22 12:32:41 PM

OnlyM3: Islam killing islam. Why doesn't this have the "Amusing" tag?


www.quickmeme.com
 
2013-12-22 12:34:23 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: Rustico: AverageAmericanGuy: Not going to say anything about this, but...

[fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com image 850x553]

This is exactly why the Israelis do it the way they do.  Multiple tiers of security that spread out the people and reduce concentration of targets.

Of course, they have a much smaller number of airports to secure, and spend more on the resources to do so than we are willing to.

They also don't have morons running their security checkpoints. That helps a lot.


Meanwhile, in Israel...
http://www.timesofisrael.com/i-injured-in-explosion-on-bat-yam-bus/
 
2013-12-22 12:42:01 PM

Some Coke Drinking Guy: gja: Rustico: AverageAmericanGuy: They also don't have morons running their security checkpoints. That helps a lot.

Again, they actually spend significant money to run heir security operation.  And they don't complain about the privacy costs, as far as I can tell.

We have a weird "it can't cost anything/It has to be perfectly effective/it can't violate any privacy rights" attitude here that pretty-much guarantees failure.

You have to be kidding on the cost thing. We dumptruck money into things like the TSA.

We dumptruck money, as you say, but never to where it needs to go.  Rather than pay enough so that we attract reasonably bright people, then retain them, or spend money on drills and training (which also helps weed out the idiots) we spend tons of money on wonder technology that doesn't really work, but was made by people who had pretty good lobbyist.


I recently met someone who told me their brother used to work for the NYPD bomb squad and after he retired he got a job with the TSA bomb squad and is making $250k (plus probably collecting a NYPD pension).  The TSA has more money than it can spend, but they don't spend it in any intelligent way.  They have 50 retards making $20 an hour at the security gates when they could hire 20 competent people at $50 an hour to do a far better job.  They have arbitrary policies to make you feel safe like taking out a laptop(but tablets are okay) or putting your toothpaste in a ziplock bag but studies have shown they miss a large % of actually harmful items.

It is completely impossible to secure all terrorism targets and all the current security measures are a fools errand as many amateurs here have already shown really easy targets and that's just at the airport.  The 9/11 attacks have done more harm to this country than Bin Laden could have ever dreamed of and it's all from the regulations implemented after.
 
2013-12-22 12:43:11 PM
A vehicle check point was were I was at when a car bomb went off.

/2004
//I was lucky; I wasn't injured
 
2013-12-22 12:46:35 PM

sparkeyjames: OnlyM3: Islam killing islam. Why doesn't this have the "Amusing" tag?

So you find mass murder amusing. Do you own guns, and Isolate yourself from others? Do you hate your parents? Were you bullied as a child?


Now that's not fair.  I own guns, I practically live as a hermit, and I was bullied as a child.  However, I don't find people blowing up other people to be amusing.
 
2013-12-22 01:03:52 PM

gja: Rustico: AverageAmericanGuy: They also don't have morons running their security checkpoints. That helps a lot.

Again, they actually spend significant money to run heir security operation.  And they don't complain about the privacy costs, as far as I can tell.

We have a weird "it can't cost anything/It has to be perfectly effective/it can't violate any privacy rights" attitude here that pretty-much guarantees failure.

You have to be kidding on the cost thing. We dumptruck money into things like the TSA.


Israel is the size of New Jersey, so of course we spend dramatically more money just because of our sheer size, but they spend more for securing their New Jersey sized country than we do. They're also a terrorist magnet, so they are constantly under threat.
 
2013-12-22 01:05:07 PM

OnlyM3: Islam killing islam. Why doesn't this have the "Amusing" tag?


"Oh no (wringing hands), they were brown people!  Oh, they were killed by other brown people (obvious relief). Nothing to see here, but, I'm sure the US is responsible, and remember, Algebra!"
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-12-22 01:07:14 PM

FnkyTwn: gja: Rustico: AverageAmericanGuy: They also don't have morons running their security checkpoints. That helps a lot.

Again, they actually spend significant money to run heir security operation.  And they don't complain about the privacy costs, as far as I can tell.

We have a weird "it can't cost anything/It has to be perfectly effective/it can't violate any privacy rights" attitude here that pretty-much guarantees failure.

You have to be kidding on the cost thing. We dumptruck money into things like the TSA.

Israel is the size of New Jersey, so of course we spend dramatically more money just because of our sheer size, but they spend more for securing their New Jersey sized country than we do. They're also a terrorist magnet, so they are constantly under threat.


Totally get that, yes. Their need is far more acute than ours. But there should also be an economy of scale on some level. There, we fail.
 
2013-12-22 01:24:21 PM
When people do get killed there, it won't be the governments fault, according to the government.
 
2013-12-22 01:26:25 PM
Found one!
 
2013-12-22 01:41:30 PM

Farnn: Some Coke Drinking Guy: gja: Rustico: AverageAmericanGuy: They also don't have morons running their security checkpoints. That helps a lot.

Again, they actually spend significant money to run heir security operation.  And they don't complain about the privacy costs, as far as I can tell.

We have a weird "it can't cost anything/It has to be perfectly effective/it can't violate any privacy rights" attitude here that pretty-much guarantees failure.

You have to be kidding on the cost thing. We dumptruck money into things like the TSA.

We dumptruck money, as you say, but never to where it needs to go.  Rather than pay enough so that we attract reasonably bright people, then retain them, or spend money on drills and training (which also helps weed out the idiots) we spend tons of money on wonder technology that doesn't really work, but was made by people who had pretty good lobbyist.

I recently met someone who told me their brother used to work for the NYPD bomb squad and after he retired he got a job with the TSA bomb squad and is making $250k (plus probably collecting a NYPD pension).  The TSA has more money than it can spend, but they don't spend it in any intelligent way.  They have 50 retards making $20 an hour at the security gates when they could hire 20 competent people at $50 an hour to do a far better job.  They have arbitrary policies to make you feel safe like taking out a laptop(but tablets are okay) or putting your toothpaste in a ziplock bag but studies have shown they miss a large % of actually harmful items.

It is completely impossible to secure all terrorism targets and all the current security measures are a fools errand as many amateurs here have already shown really easy targets and that's just at the airport.  The 9/11 attacks have done more harm to this country than Bin Laden could have ever dreamed of and it's all from the regulations implemented after.


Security in public places is to make insecure members of the public feel secure. There is also a scarecrow effect from just having some one in a uniform standing there that keeps a large portion of wackos at bay.

A determined threat will easily get through if they spend some time planning. Pray that they are spotted by the intelligence community or at least can be identified after the fact to minimize it to a single incident. Luckily, most nuts with bombs are more of the loudmouth type and/or take themselves out in the act. It isn't like we are dealing with S.P.E.C.T.R.E.

/sent from my security shack
//needed some extra Xmas money
 
2013-12-22 01:53:09 PM

Farnn: It is completely impossible to secure all terrorism targets and all the current security measures are a fools errand as many amateurs here have already shown really easy targets and that's just at the airport.  The 9/11 attacks have done more harm to this country than Bin Laden could have ever dreamed of and it's all from the regulations implemented after.


i.huffpost.com
 
2013-12-22 02:34:52 PM

gja: Rustico: AverageAmericanGuy: They also don't have morons running their security checkpoints. That helps a lot.

Again, they actually spend significant money to run heir security operation.  And they don't complain about the privacy costs, as far as I can tell.

We have a weird "it can't cost anything/It has to be perfectly effective/it can't violate any privacy rights" attitude here that pretty-much guarantees failure.

You have to be kidding on the cost thing. We dumptruck money into things like the TSA.


On everything except salaries and benefits of the people doing the actual work.
 
2013-12-22 03:07:44 PM

Rustico: AverageAmericanGuy: Not going to say anything about this, but...

[fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com image 850x553]

This is exactly why the Israelis do it the way they do.  Multiple tiers of security that spread out the people and reduce concentration of targets.

Of course, they have a much smaller number of airports to secure, and spend more on the resources to do so than we are willing to.


Much smaller? Try one. They only have one airport that gets incoming flights from international. Plus there is like less than a dozen (I think) that fly to said airport. The Israeli method can't scale up to even a country half the size of the US or Canada. People biatch right now about the time it takes to get through security, imagine if they tried to implement it in the States.

Evil Twin Skippy: gja: Rustico: AverageAmericanGuy: They also don't have morons running their security checkpoints. That helps a lot.

Again, they actually spend significant money to run heir security operation.  And they don't complain about the privacy costs, as far as I can tell.

We have a weird "it can't cost anything/It has to be perfectly effective/it can't violate any privacy rights" attitude here that pretty-much guarantees failure.

You have to be kidding on the cost thing. We dumptruck money into things like the TSA.

On everything except salaries and benefits of the people doing the actual work.


Amen, how are you going to trust someone who makes practically minimum wage to remain honest.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-12-22 03:08:30 PM

Evil Twin Skippy: gja: Rustico: AverageAmericanGuy: They also don't have morons running their security checkpoints. That helps a lot.

Again, they actually spend significant money to run heir security operation.  And they don't complain about the privacy costs, as far as I can tell.

We have a weird "it can't cost anything/It has to be perfectly effective/it can't violate any privacy rights" attitude here that pretty-much guarantees failure.

You have to be kidding on the cost thing. We dumptruck money into things like the TSA.

On everything except salaries and benefits of the people doing the actual work.


Yuppers. Those middle-management guys aren't gonna get those yachts and corporate jet flights for free, donchaknow.
 
2013-12-22 03:35:59 PM
Check-point = Road-block

/Martial law is awesome
//boom goes the explosive material to counter such never-ending road-blocks
///Drink your Ovaltine
 
2013-12-22 04:26:03 PM
Frankly I'd be comfortable with one or two planes going down in a ball of flaming shrapnel every year if it meant I didn't have to deal with TSA groping.
 
2013-12-22 05:05:37 PM
Great, another Benghazi incident to get the mouth-breathers foaming again.
 
2013-12-23 12:36:20 AM
How did this not get the obvious tag?
 
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