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2013-12-22 11:35:03 AM  

BullBearMS: You're clutching those pearls so hard there is going to be a dent in them.

If you defend one as freedom of speech, you should be willing to defend the other under the same grounds.


I did. Where did I ever say the Duck Dynasty guy didn't have the right to say what he did? I didn't, and you know it.
 
2013-12-22 11:35:49 AM  

parkerlewis: My guess was that they got shot or arrested.  Looks like I guessed wrong.  So what DID happen, then?


Angry letters, UN-style.
 
2013-12-22 11:35:50 AM  

theflatline: hillary: Richard Roma: I don't think there should be any sexualized content in a typical Christmas day parade targeted towards a general audience.


Move to Iraq, then. Need help packing?

Preach that tolerance.


Bigotry deserves no tolerance.
 
2013-12-22 11:36:32 AM  

BullBearMS: They aren't hypocrites.


Just so we're clear here, are you suggesting we shouldn't suffer hypocrites?
 
2013-12-22 11:38:03 AM  

GhostFish: Random members of a minority act in a way we don't like, so let's jump into discussing how this is a problem for the minority and how it justifies peoples negative feelings about them.

Must be nice to be in a constant majority and not have to defend yourself and your cohorts for the tastes and actions of a few. I'm sure you'd love it if someone tried to burden you as a member of white, Christian culture with the actions of WBC or Rush Limbaugh.


Rush Limbaugh had Elton John perform at his wedding. He might be more tolerant than some of the people posting on this thread on Fark.
 
2013-12-22 11:38:15 AM  

Relatively Obscure: BizarreMan: Hell last parade I went to there was a troupe of girls, maybe aged 7-16 doing it.

That's not a parade, that's a felony.


Fap?
 
2013-12-22 11:39:18 AM  
Did everyone miss the part where these guys are trying to get a reality show going?

I know this wasn't in the same league as the balloon boy stunt, but it still seems like their stunt was obviously self promotion.
 
2013-12-22 11:41:09 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Mr. Right: Bit'O'Gristle: Time and place for everything boys, and a Christmas parade is not the time to flaunt your gayness in everyones face, and you knew that.

/Nice trolling though.

Yes.  And when one recalls the responses to Miley Cyrus' twerking, which is not substantively different from the kind of routine these guys did, he would be hard-pressed to verify that the complaints are necessarily gay-bashing.  Is it too much to ask for decency in the public square?

I'm sorry that gays existing offends your delicate sensibilities. You can be a shut-in and avoid reality altogether.


The fact that you would make a comment like that identifies you as the type of gay rights activist who does not want tolerance of gays or equal rights for gays.  You obviously believe that everyone should be gay and that gays, because they are somehow more noble than heterosexuals, deserve more rights and special rights.

The fact that gays exist bothers me not at all.  I have friends and relatives who are gay and we all get along just fine.  I don't want to watch my gay friends dancing like this at a Christmas party any more than I want to watch my brother try to play with his wife's tits at the family reunion while there are hoards of rug-rats running around.

But you can go on being offended since you are obviously a member of the First Church or the Perpetually Aggrieved.  And if my innocuous comments gave you another wafer for your Sacrament of Grievance and gave you one more opportunity to display your irrational intolerance of anyone who isn't a cheerleader for whatever you think the public needs to see, then you're welcome.  But don't count on it as a regular contribution.
 
2013-12-22 11:41:24 AM  

theflatline: hillary: Richard Roma: I don't think there should be any sexualized content in a typical Christmas day parade targeted towards a general audience.


Move to Iraq, then. Need help packing?

Preach that tolerance.


Haven't you heard? People who have different opinions than you are hateful bigots and must be eliminated.
 
2013-12-22 11:41:35 AM  

BigBooper: Did everyone miss the part where these guys are trying to get a reality show going?

I know this wasn't in the same league as the balloon boy stunt, but it still seems like their stunt was obviously self promotion.


Since they're some kind of performance group, I imagine that every single time they perform anywhere for anything is some form of promotion for their performance group.  So they can perform.
 
2013-12-22 11:42:12 AM  

rohar: BullBearMS: They aren't hypocrites.

Just so we're clear here, are you suggesting we shouldn't suffer hypocrites?


I'm saying that if you defended the Duck Dynasty guys right to speak their mind but think these gay guys don't have just as much of a right to prance their hearts out, you are a hypocrite, yes.

And vice versa.

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2013-12-22 11:42:19 AM  
Nobody got shot, beat, hung, dragged behind a pick up truck?  Sounds like progress to me.
 
2013-12-22 11:42:43 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: theflatline: hillary: Richard Roma: I don't think there should be any sexualized content in a typical Christmas day parade targeted towards a general audience.


Move to Iraq, then. Need help packing?

Preach that tolerance.

Bigotry deserves no tolerance.


Suggesting that a Christmas day parade shouldn't be sexualized is now bigotry? Wow.
 
2013-12-22 11:42:52 AM  
parades are generally made of things people want to see.that is why people watch parades.
should they include things that only a small number if people (if any) would enjoy?
probably not, if you want the parade to be popular.

no, i don't believe it was appropriate, but then I don't believe brazilian fart porn would be appropriate either.
 
2013-12-22 11:43:54 AM  

Mr. Right: The fact that you would make a comment like that identifies you as the type of gay rights activist who does not want tolerance of gays or equal rights for gays.  You obviously believe that everyone should be gay and that gays, because they are somehow more noble than heterosexuals, deserve more rights and special rights.


Please tell me you're joking. Nobody can be that stupid. What "special right" is involved when advocating for the right to march in a parade just like  every other citizen?
 
2013-12-22 11:44:15 AM  

baconbeard: theflatline: hillary: Richard Roma: I don't think there should be any sexualized content in a typical Christmas day parade targeted towards a general audience.


Move to Iraq, then. Need help packing?

Preach that tolerance.

Haven't you heard? People who have different opinions than you are hateful bigots and must be eliminated.


And all these people are more than likely Caucasian members of the white male patriarchy who would not know an ethnic or a queer if one bit them on the ass.
 
2013-12-22 11:44:49 AM  

baconbeard: cameroncrazy1984: theflatline: hillary: Richard Roma: I don't think there should be any sexualized content in a typical Christmas day parade targeted towards a general audience.


Move to Iraq, then. Need help packing?

Preach that tolerance.

Bigotry deserves no tolerance.

Suggesting that a Christmas day parade shouldn't be sexualized is now bigotry? Wow.


Yes, yes it is, because you believe that gays participating in a parade is automatically "sexualizing" it.
 
2013-12-22 11:45:37 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Please tell me you're joking. Nobody can be that stupid. What "special right" is involved when advocating for the right to march in a parade just like every other citizen?


Actually, I think only the people who were invited to march got to march.  Which, of course, these guys were.  Probably not next year, I imagine.
 
2013-12-22 11:45:54 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: baconbeard: cameroncrazy1984: theflatline: hillary: Richard Roma: I don't think there should be any sexualized content in a typical Christmas day parade targeted towards a general audience.


Move to Iraq, then. Need help packing?

Preach that tolerance.

Bigotry deserves no tolerance.

Suggesting that a Christmas day parade shouldn't be sexualized is now bigotry? Wow.

Yes, yes it is, because you believe that gays participating in a parade is automatically "sexualizing" it.


No, it was the dance.  They gay guys were ok, they could have been in better shape though.
 
2013-12-22 11:47:29 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: baconbeard: cameroncrazy1984: theflatline: hillary: Richard Roma: I don't think there should be any sexualized content in a typical Christmas day parade targeted towards a general audience.


Move to Iraq, then. Need help packing?

Preach that tolerance.

Bigotry deserves no tolerance.

Suggesting that a Christmas day parade shouldn't be sexualized is now bigotry? Wow.

Yes, yes it is, because you believe that gays participating in a parade is automatically "sexualizing" it.


So they *weren't* wearing sexual revealing clothing and thrusting their loins at the spectators? What article did I read???
 
2013-12-22 11:47:44 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Where did I ever say the Duck Dynasty guy didn't have the right to say what he did?


Where did you say that they did?

I've seen you claim these guys had a right to freedom of expression in this thread:

cameroncrazy1984: theflatline: I do not need to see anyone gay or straight, ass out, prancing around in public. It is much as my right to demand a sense of public decency.

No it isn't. You don't get to pick and choose which speech you find acceptable. That's not how the first amendment works.


Go right ahead and cite yourself saying the same thing in a Duck Dynasty thread.

We'll wait.
 
2013-12-22 11:47:59 AM  

Relatively Obscure: cameroncrazy1984: Please tell me you're joking. Nobody can be that stupid. What "special right" is involved when advocating for the right to march in a parade just like every other citizen?

Actually, I think only the people who were invited to march got to march.  Which, of course, these guys were.  Probably not next year, I imagine.


Well, the point being that it's a public event.
 
2013-12-22 11:48:00 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: theflatline: hillary: Richard Roma: I don't think there should be any sexualized content in a typical Christmas day parade targeted towards a general audience.


Move to Iraq, then. Need help packing?

Preach that tolerance.

Bigotry deserves no tolerance.


That's some good satire of the brainless reactionary you've got there!  It is satire... right?
 
2013-12-22 11:48:38 AM  

BullBearMS: Go right ahead and cite yourself saying the same thing in a Duck Dynasty thread.

We'll wait.


Go back and read it yourself. I said it several times. It's not my fault you built a strawman that you are desperately trying to keep from unraveling.
 
2013-12-22 11:49:02 AM  

Relatively Obscure: Mr. Right: Is it too much to ask for decency in the public square?

The "decency" line gets drawn in a lot of different places by people.  These guys, for example, aren't dressed MORE scantily than whole metric boatloads of girls or ladies who have paraded before without raising any ire.


Dressed, no.  But we could have done without the suggestive dancing.  I'm not a fan of that with women in public (especially where there are guaranteed to be young children around) either.

It is really disturbing to me to watch a 4 year old girl or boy start to dance like this because it's what they see so they mimic it.  There's a reason we don't let pre-adolescents go into strip joints.
 
2013-12-22 11:49:16 AM  

Richard Roma: cameroncrazy1984: theflatline: hillary: Richard Roma: I don't think there should be any sexualized content in a typical Christmas day parade targeted towards a general audience.


Move to Iraq, then. Need help packing?

Preach that tolerance.

Bigotry deserves no tolerance.

That's some good satire of the brainless reactionary you've got there!  It is satire... right?


Why would you think so? Do you disagree? Should we allow bigotry to go unchecked?
 
2013-12-22 11:50:09 AM  

Richard Roma: cameroncrazy1984: theflatline: hillary: Richard Roma: I don't think there should be any sexualized content in a typical Christmas day parade targeted towards a general audience.


Move to Iraq, then. Need help packing?

Preach that tolerance.

Bigotry deserves no tolerance.

That's some good satire of the brainless reactionary you've got there!  It is satire... right?


Part of me hopes it's just trolling, in which case, good job.

Part of me thinks it's sincere, in which case, Sieg Heil!
 
2013-12-22 11:50:20 AM  

Mr. Right: But we could have done without the suggestive dancing.  I'm not a fan of that with women in public (especially where there are guaranteed to be young children around) either.


Your personal beliefs don't get to choose who gets to express freedom of speech.
 
2013-12-22 11:50:55 AM  

baconbeard: Part of me hopes it's just trolling, in which case, good job.

Part of me thinks it's sincere, in which case, Sieg Heil!


Yeah, advocating for free expression is SO fascist...
 
2013-12-22 11:52:01 AM  
Look, you have a right to say that gays are icky, just as much as I have a right to call you a bigot for it.
 
2013-12-22 11:52:06 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: baconbeard: Part of me hopes it's just trolling, in which case, good job.

Part of me thinks it's sincere, in which case, Sieg Heil!

Yeah, advocating for free expression is SO fascist...


"Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you."
 
2013-12-22 11:52:14 AM  

BullBearMS: rohar: BullBearMS: They aren't hypocrites.

Just so we're clear here, are you suggesting we shouldn't suffer hypocrites?

I'm saying that if you defended the Duck Dynasty guys right to speak their mind but think these gay guys don't have just as much of a right to prance their hearts out, you are a hypocrite, yes.

And vice versa.



Hmm, seems we're in quite a bit of agreement.  Both parties had the right to do what they did/said.  But I'm afraid that's where the similarities end.

You see, the substance is the difference.

On party suggests that they're an openly gay dance group and did things in keeping with what an openly dance group does.

The other party says he's a "Man of god" and a devout Christian, but does the exact opposite of Jesus teachings.  As an example:

Matthew 6
5And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
6But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
7But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

If praying on a street corner is hypocritical, doing it on national TV must be.

Again, I agree, we must defend all men's rights, and we shouldn't suffer hypocrites.
 
2013-12-22 11:53:58 AM  

baconbeard: cameroncrazy1984: baconbeard: cameroncrazy1984: theflatline: hillary: Richard Roma: I don't think there should be any sexualized content in a typical Christmas day parade targeted towards a general audience.


Move to Iraq, then. Need help packing?

Preach that tolerance.

Bigotry deserves no tolerance.

Suggesting that a Christmas day parade shouldn't be sexualized is now bigotry? Wow.

Yes, yes it is, because you believe that gays participating in a parade is automatically "sexualizing" it.

So they *weren't* wearing sexual revealing clothing and thrusting their loins at the spectators? What article did I read???


I think Cameron's point is that this kind of thing happens all the time. But it's women who are scantily clad and doing the thrusting. Often it's cheerleaders.

Now it's gay men doing it and suddenly there's a problem. Well, that raises some questions about motive for complaint.
 
2013-12-22 11:54:12 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: BullBearMS: Go right ahead and cite yourself saying the same thing in a Duck Dynasty thread.

We'll wait.

Go back and read it yourself. I said it several times. It's not my fault you built a strawman that you are desperately trying to keep from unraveling.


So you can't.

Hypocrite
 
2013-12-22 11:54:52 AM  

Mr. Right: Dressed, no. But we could have done without the suggestive dancing. I'm not a fan of that with women in public (especially where there are guaranteed to be young children around) either.


Neither am I, in general.  It's just interesting that it's a particular issue for these dudes, since women and high school (or younger) dance clubs can apparently do things like this without even very many raised eyebrows.  At least, based on what dancing from them I've seen (which isn't much, because I'm not particularly interested in watching these guys dance).
 
2013-12-22 11:55:10 AM  

baconbeard: cameroncrazy1984: baconbeard: Part of me hopes it's just trolling, in which case, good job.

Part of me thinks it's sincere, in which case, Sieg Heil!

Yeah, advocating for free expression is SO fascist...

"Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you."


Yeah, you've basically got nothing.
 
2013-12-22 11:55:13 AM  

GhostFish: I think Cameron's point is that this kind of thing happens all the time. But it's women who are scantily clad and doing the thrusting. Often it's cheerleaders.

Now it's gay men doing it and suddenly there's a problem. Well, that raises some questions about motive for complaint.


Exactly. As I said before, not a single person complained about Miley Cyrus's VMA performance.
 
2013-12-22 11:55:36 AM  
cameroncrazy1984:

Bigotry deserves no tolerance.

That's some good satire of the brainless reactionary you've got there!  It is satire... right?

Why would you think so? Do you disagree? Should we allow bigotry to go unchecked?


What the hell does bigotry have to do with my initial post?  I don't like the idea of sexually suggestive dancing in a Christmas day parade.  Period.

You know, I need these occasional encounters with people like you to remind me that the Teahadist right doesn't have a monopoly on Pants-on-head retardation.
 
2013-12-22 11:56:44 AM  
Hilarity ensued?
 
2013-12-22 11:56:58 AM  

Richard Roma: cameroncrazy1984:

Bigotry deserves no tolerance.

That's some good satire of the brainless reactionary you've got there!  It is satire... right?

Why would you think so? Do you disagree? Should we allow bigotry to go unchecked?

What the hell does bigotry have to do with my initial post?  I don't like the idea of sexually suggestive dancing in a Christmas day parade.  Period.

You know, I need these occasional encounters with people like you to remind me that the Teahadist right doesn't have a monopoly on Pants-on-head retardation.


It's a good reminder that bigots come in all shapes, colours, and sexual orientations.
 
2013-12-22 11:57:11 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Mr. Right: But we could have done without the suggestive dancing.  I'm not a fan of that with women in public (especially where there are guaranteed to be young children around) either.

Your personal beliefs don't get to choose who gets to express freedom of speech.


Dude, calling for people to behave appropriately for an audience of children is not the same as forcing them to behave in that manner.

You're going off the handle a bit here.
 
2013-12-22 11:57:33 AM  

rohar: On party suggests that they're an openly gay dance group and did things in keeping with what an openly dance group does.

The other party says he's a "Man of god" and a devout Christian, but does the exact opposite of Jesus teachings. As an example:


Your agreement with their interpretations of the imaginary sayings of the imaginary sky being are kind of irrelevant.

Plenty of people don't agree with suggestive dancing by gay males.

Too damn bad for both groups.
 
2013-12-22 11:57:44 AM  

Richard Roma: cameroncrazy1984:

Bigotry deserves no tolerance.

That's some good satire of the brainless reactionary you've got there!  It is satire... right?

Why would you think so? Do you disagree? Should we allow bigotry to go unchecked?

What the hell does bigotry have to do with my initial post?  I don't like the idea of sexually suggestive dancing in a Christmas day parade.  Period.

You know, I need these occasional encounters with people like you to remind me that the Teahadist right doesn't have a monopoly on Pants-on-head retardation.


So the famous Rockettes should be removed from the Christmas season?
 
2013-12-22 11:59:01 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Mr. Right: But we could have done without the suggestive dancing.  I'm not a fan of that with women in public (especially where there are guaranteed to be young children around) either.

Your personal beliefs don't get to choose who gets to express freedom of speech.


Actually, in large-enough groups, they kinda do. Most areas draw a line somewhere. Even in San Francisco, having sex on the sidewalk will get you arrested. Wherever the morality-line is drawn, it exists somewhere and is a result of the combined opinions of many people placing a limit on someone else's freedom of speech.
 
2013-12-22 11:59:37 AM  

BullBearMS: cameroncrazy1984: BullBearMS: Go right ahead and cite yourself saying the same thing in a Duck Dynasty thread.

We'll wait.

Go back and read it yourself. I said it several times. It's not my fault you built a strawman that you are desperately trying to keep from unraveling.

So you can't.

Hypocrite


Boy, you probably should have read all of the threads before you said that:

cameroncrazy1984

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2013-12-21 08:21:49 PM
letrole: Rights are Rights. Either you have a right to say what you wish, or you don't.

Did he not say what he wished? Nobody has said he doesn't. He just doesn't have the right to do it without consequence.
 
2013-12-22 11:59:46 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Mr. Right: The fact that you would make a comment like that identifies you as the type of gay rights activist who does not want tolerance of gays or equal rights for gays.  You obviously believe that everyone should be gay and that gays, because they are somehow more noble than heterosexuals, deserve more rights and special rights.

Please tell me you're joking. Nobody can be that stupid. What "special right" is involved when advocating for the right to march in a parade just like  every other citizen?


You made a tremendous leap when you accused me of being offended that gays exist.  There exists not a shred of evidence to that effect.  So I thought I'd return the favor and assume you're one of those whiny, little, asshats who claim equal rights when what they really want is the same right but twice as many of them and the right to special grievances against anyone who offends their delicate sensibilities.

I don't have a problem with gays or any other group, as long as they are rational, tolerant individuals.  Your comments identify you as someone who possesses  neither criteria.  Sorry you got a bad draw.
 
2013-12-22 12:00:40 PM  

Richard Roma: I don't like the idea of sexually suggestive dancing in a Christmas day parade.  Period.


And that's your opinion. But that doesn't mean you get to force your opinion on others.
 
2013-12-22 12:01:38 PM  

baconbeard: Richard Roma: cameroncrazy1984:

Bigotry deserves no tolerance.

That's some good satire of the brainless reactionary you've got there!  It is satire... right?

Why would you think so? Do you disagree? Should we allow bigotry to go unchecked?

What the hell does bigotry have to do with my initial post?  I don't like the idea of sexually suggestive dancing in a Christmas day parade.  Period.

You know, I need these occasional encounters with people like you to remind me that the Teahadist right doesn't have a monopoly on Pants-on-head retardation.

It's a good reminder that bigots come in all shapes, colours, and sexual orientations.


I don't think you understand the definition of "bigotry."
 
2013-12-22 12:01:41 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: BullBearMS: cameroncrazy1984: BullBearMS: Go right ahead and cite yourself saying the same thing in a Duck Dynasty thread.

We'll wait.

Go back and read it yourself. I said it several times. It's not my fault you built a strawman that you are desperately trying to keep from unraveling.

So you can't.

Hypocrite

Boy, you probably should have read all of the threads before you said that:

cameroncrazy1984

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2013-12-21 08:21:49 PM
letrole: Rights are Rights. Either you have a right to say what you wish, or you don't.

Did he not say what he wished? Nobody has said he doesn't. He just doesn't have the right to do it without consequence.


Did you just quote yourself?
 
2013-12-22 12:02:22 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: baconbeard: Richard Roma: cameroncrazy1984:

Bigotry deserves no tolerance.

That's some good satire of the brainless reactionary you've got there!  It is satire... right?

Why would you think so? Do you disagree? Should we allow bigotry to go unchecked?

What the hell does bigotry have to do with my initial post?  I don't like the idea of sexually suggestive dancing in a Christmas day parade.  Period.

You know, I need these occasional encounters with people like you to remind me that the Teahadist right doesn't have a monopoly on Pants-on-head retardation.

It's a good reminder that bigots come in all shapes, colours, and sexual orientations.

I don't think you understand the definition of "bigotry."


Oh, I think I do.
 
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