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(Al Jazeera)   President Putin's spokesman, responding to suggestions Mikhail Khodorkovsky was forced into exile, says he is "absolutely" free to return to Russia. Khodorkovsky: I don't think so, Vladimir   (aljazeera.com) divider line 28
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2013-12-22 08:15:47 AM
eng.tatar-inform.ru

Come back, Mikhail. We miss you!
 
2013-12-22 08:47:02 AM
easycalculation.com
They'll even pay for his food
 
2013-12-22 10:28:15 AM
He's absolutely free to return to the jail cell, it surprised us he requested to be returned to prison but who are we to tell him what to do
 
2013-12-22 10:33:06 AM
Edward Snowden is also welcome to return to the United States.  The US will even have a special entourage waiting for him.
 
2013-12-22 10:36:10 AM
i dislike a lot of what happens here, then i look at the rest of the world.
 
2013-12-22 10:46:56 AM
Vladmir Putin picks me up in a black Escalade and we speed through Moscow as he regales me with tales of the Cold War. He has recently gone through a break-up and is feeling vulnerable.

We arrive at a palatial mansion on the Baltic Sea. He cooks me dinner...shirtless. He sets out huge plates for the food, but when he is done cooking, all he has are these tiny purple scallops that he has painstakingly plated.

As we eat, the conversation gets kind of awkward. I notice a wedding party on the shore taking pictures and he explains that he allows weddings on his property to offset the cost of the mansion.
 
2013-12-22 10:51:08 AM

the_vegetarian_cannibal: Vladmir Putin picks me up in a black Escalade and we speed through Moscow as he regales me with tales of the Cold War. He has recently gone through a break-up and is feeling vulnerable.

We arrive at a palatial mansion on the Baltic Sea. He cooks me dinner...shirtless. He sets out huge plates for the food, but when he is done cooking, all he has are these tiny purple scallops that he has painstakingly plated.

As we eat, the conversation gets kind of awkward. I notice a wedding party on the shore taking pictures and he explains that he allows weddings on his property to offset the cost of the mansion.


Is... Is that Putin fanfic?
theoverlookedonlookers.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-12-22 11:15:02 AM

the_vegetarian_cannibal: Vladmir Putin picks me up in a black Escalade and we speed through Moscow as he regales me with tales of the Cold War. He has recently gone through a break-up and is feeling vulnerable.

We arrive at a palatial mansion on the Baltic Sea. He cooks me dinner...shirtless. He sets out huge plates for the food, but when he is done cooking, all he has are these tiny purple scallops that he has painstakingly plated.

As we eat, the conversation gets kind of awkward. I notice a wedding party on the shore taking pictures and he explains that he allows weddings on his property to offset the cost of the mansion.


> an FSB officer arrives.
 
2013-12-22 11:30:06 AM
Is "I don't think so, Vladimir" from a movie or something?

And make sure to read The New Oligarchs: Wealth and Power in the New Russia. Even after ten years, it's still an illuminating and sobering look into how information asymmetry in the Yeltsin era created a class of kleptocrat that went on to rule the country.
 
2013-12-22 11:49:42 AM
Putin is one if the biggest scumbags on earth.
That's probably why he's one of the new heros for the American right.
 
2013-12-22 12:05:39 PM
25.media.tumblr.com

Putin is an honest man. Look at him smile(?) as his son(?) shakes the hand of the bad man. He just happened to be there with this child, honest.
 
2013-12-22 12:10:56 PM

Ring of Fire: Putin is one if the biggest scumbags on earth.
That's probably why he's one of the new heros for the American right.


Say what you will about Putin, the fact remains that thanks to him it is now acceptable to use the word "pussy" on the front page of the New York Times. That will be Putin's enduring legacy.
 
2013-12-22 12:24:30 PM

Ring of Fire: Putin is one if the biggest scumbags on earth.
That's probably why he's one of the new heros for the American right.


No, that's only because Obama is president so anytime Putin acts aggressively against the US, they count it as "sticking it to the libs."

Back in the Bush years, Putin was pretty much seen by them as Evil Empire Commie-Nazi Mecha-Joseph Stalin 2.0TM (and not just because he's ex-Soviet KGB, but because he was making Bush look bad).
 
2013-12-22 12:26:43 PM

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: the_vegetarian_cannibal: Vladmir Putin picks me up in a black Escalade and we speed through Moscow as he regales me with tales of the Cold War. He has recently gone through a break-up and is feeling vulnerable.

We arrive at a palatial mansion on the Baltic Sea. He cooks me dinner...shirtless. He sets out huge plates for the food, but when he is done cooking, all he has are these tiny purple scallops that he has painstakingly plated.

As we eat, the conversation gets kind of awkward. I notice a wedding party on the shore taking pictures and he explains that he allows weddings on his property to offset the cost of the mansion.

Is... Is that Putin fanfic?
[theoverlookedonlookers.files.wordpress.com image 500x281]


It's a copypasta that thismomentinblackhistory used to post in every Putin thread. He's stopped doing it in the past year so I thought I would unofficially revive it for old time's sake.
 
2013-12-22 12:27:28 PM

SixPaperJoint: [25.media.tumblr.com image 681x450]

Putin is an honest man. Look at him smile(?) as his son(?) shakes the hand of the bad man. He just happened to be there with this child, honest.


♫But the kid is not his son♫
 
2013-12-22 12:35:42 PM

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: [easycalculation.com image 300x200]
They'll even pay for his food


www.berkeleynucleonics.com
 
2013-12-22 01:06:31 PM

the_vegetarian_cannibal: Ring of Fire: Putin is one if the biggest scumbags on earth.
That's probably why he's one of the new heros for the American right.

No, that's only because Obama is president so anytime Putin acts aggressively against the US, they count it as "sticking it to the libs."



Or against Greenpeace. Or against atheist extremists. Or against libs.
 
2013-12-22 01:08:36 PM

LewDux: SixPaperJoint: [25.media.tumblr.com image 681x450]

Putin is an honest man. Look at him smile(?) as his son(?) shakes the hand of the bad man. He just happened to be there with this child, honest.

♫But the kid is not his son♫


str8nyc.com

Up top!
 
2013-12-22 01:52:07 PM
Lemme get this straight. An oil tycoon gets hit with a fine, then leaves the country and goes on an easy-target "OMG THE POLITICAL PRISONERS" tirade, saying he's in exile... Except he's not, he just has to pay the fine if he comes back. 

If this happened in the US, it'd be A: business as usual, and B: a call for the lynching of said tycoon.
 
2013-12-22 03:03:33 PM

vharshyde: Lemme get this straight. An oil tycoon gets hit with a fine, then leaves the country and goes on an easy-target "OMG THE POLITICAL PRISONERS" tirade, saying he's in exile... Except he's not, he just has to pay the fine if he comes back. 

If this happened in the US, it'd be A: business as usual, and B: a call for the lynching of said tycoon.


The oil tycoon was arrested over ten years ago on trumped up charges of treason or somesuch, stripped of his money, and spent a decade in a Russian prison in Siberia; he was released this week so Putin could play humanitarian for the IOC. He has no money left to pay the "fine" which is essentially all the money Putin took from him already, and is lucky to still be alive.

But thanks for displaying your ignorance.
 
2013-12-22 03:13:12 PM

Gyrfalcon: vharshyde: Lemme get this straight. An oil tycoon gets hit with a fine, then leaves the country and goes on an easy-target "OMG THE POLITICAL PRISONERS" tirade, saying he's in exile... Except he's not, he just has to pay the fine if he comes back. 

If this happened in the US, it'd be A: business as usual, and B: a call for the lynching of said tycoon.

The oil tycoon was arrested over ten years ago on trumped up charges of treason or somesuch, stripped of his money, and spent a decade in a Russian prison in Siberia; he was released this week so Putin could play humanitarian for the IOC. He has no money left to pay the "fine" which is essentially all the money Putin took from him already, and is lucky to still be alive.

But thanks for displaying your ignorance.


He was formerly Russia's richest man, and yes he was absolutely an evil kleptocrat thug who stole as much wealth from his fellow citizens as he could (so no sympathy from me for his imprisonment) who, according to the best theory I heard at the time, ended up in jail because he openly tried to influence a political debate as to whether a new oil pipeline under consideration should be built either to China or Japan. Putin started out being fairly willing to ignore the massive criminal activity of the oligarch class so long as they stayed out of politics-  Khodorkovksy just didnt think that Putin would back that up when it came to himself. I would be willing to bet, however, that he still has a couple or ten million euro stashed somewhere that the FSB couldn't find or "couldn't find".
 
2013-12-22 04:44:22 PM

Pizdets: Gyrfalcon: vharshyde: Lemme get this straight. An oil tycoon gets hit with a fine, then leaves the country and goes on an easy-target "OMG THE POLITICAL PRISONERS" tirade, saying he's in exile... Except he's not, he just has to pay the fine if he comes back. 

If this happened in the US, it'd be A: business as usual, and B: a call for the lynching of said tycoon.

The oil tycoon was arrested over ten years ago on trumped up charges of treason or somesuch, stripped of his money, and spent a decade in a Russian prison in Siberia; he was released this week so Putin could play humanitarian for the IOC. He has no money left to pay the "fine" which is essentially all the money Putin took from him already, and is lucky to still be alive.

But thanks for displaying your ignorance.

He was formerly Russia's richest man, and yes he was absolutely an evil kleptocrat thug who stole as much wealth from his fellow citizens as he could


Because Good Tsar said so

Putin started out being fairly willing to ignore the massive criminal activity of the oligarch class so long as they stayed out of politics

He's totally willing to ignore all rich men as long as they support his guys or at least don't support opposition, guys who made him prime Minister and then President for example
 
2013-12-22 05:20:23 PM
"Our authorities can say honestly that they did not exile me,  But knowing our reality, we can absolutely clearly understand that they suggested I leave the country."

I'm not saying they exiled me but...
 
2013-12-22 05:21:56 PM

LewDux: Pizdets: Gyrfalcon: vharshyde: Lemme get this straight. An oil tycoon gets hit with a fine, then leaves the country and goes on an easy-target "OMG THE POLITICAL PRISONERS" tirade, saying he's in exile... Except he's not, he just has to pay the fine if he comes back. 

If this happened in the US, it'd be A: business as usual, and B: a call for the lynching of said tycoon.

The oil tycoon was arrested over ten years ago on trumped up charges of treason or somesuch, stripped of his money, and spent a decade in a Russian prison in Siberia; he was released this week so Putin could play humanitarian for the IOC. He has no money left to pay the "fine" which is essentially all the money Putin took from him already, and is lucky to still be alive.

But thanks for displaying your ignorance.

He was formerly Russia's richest man, and yes he was absolutely an evil kleptocrat thug who stole as much wealth from his fellow citizens as he could

Because Good Tsar said so

Putin started out being fairly willing to ignore the massive criminal activity of the oligarch class so long as they stayed out of politics

He's totally willing to ignore all rich men as long as they support his guys or at least don't support opposition, guys who made him prime Minister and then President for example


I'm not trying to defend Putin at all, but if you think that Khodorkovsky did not deserve to be in prison just because Putin sucks you're wrong.  Khodorkovsky most definitely headed a massively large criminal enterprise and many journalists who documented his and his fellow bankers/oil men exploits have been killed for their work.

Because Putin is terrible it doesn't mean that Khodorkovsky didn't have a time-out in Siberia coming. Putin sucks. So did Khodorkovsky, at least before Putin neutered him for all the other oligarchs to see, an object lesson in keeping your mouth shut. I hope he really does turn to a quiet life of trying to help others. If so then maybe Putin won't Berezovsky him.
 
2013-12-22 05:50:00 PM

Pizdets: Gyrfalcon: vharshyde: Lemme get this straight. An oil tycoon gets hit with a fine, then leaves the country and goes on an easy-target "OMG THE POLITICAL PRISONERS" tirade, saying he's in exile... Except he's not, he just has to pay the fine if he comes back. 

If this happened in the US, it'd be A: business as usual, and B: a call for the lynching of said tycoon.

The oil tycoon was arrested over ten years ago on trumped up charges of treason or somesuch, stripped of his money, and spent a decade in a Russian prison in Siberia; he was released this week so Putin could play humanitarian for the IOC. He has no money left to pay the "fine" which is essentially all the money Putin took from him already, and is lucky to still be alive.

But thanks for displaying your ignorance.

He was formerly Russia's richest man, and yes he was absolutely an evil kleptocrat thug who stole as much wealth from his fellow citizens as he could (so no sympathy from me for his imprisonment) who, according to the best theory I heard at the time, ended up in jail because he openly tried to influence a political debate as to whether a new oil pipeline under consideration should be built either to China or Japan. Putin started out being fairly willing to ignore the massive criminal activity of the oligarch class so long as they stayed out of politics-  Khodorkovksy just didnt think that Putin would back that up when it came to himself. I would be willing to bet, however, that he still has a couple or ten million euro stashed somewhere that the FSB couldn't find or "couldn't find".


The story I got was that he was jailed initially for challenging Putin on the pipeline--the "influence" amounted to saying Putin was wrong. And Siberian prisons are no joke. I'd rather do ten years at Pelican Bay than five in a Siberian work camp--they're still geared towards ensuring you don't finish your term.

Either way, the idea that he's just a rich guy who left the country voluntarily rather than pay a minor fine, as if he was a BP oil executive skipping out on an EPA hearing, is rank ignorance.
 
2013-12-22 05:50:36 PM

Pizdets: Khodorkovsky most definitely headed a massively large criminal enterprise and many journalists who documented his and his fellow bankers/oil men exploits have been killed for their work.


Of cause he did, that what evil kleptocrats do. I wonder how may bodies there are in basement of his secret lair
 
2013-12-22 06:08:25 PM

Gyrfalcon: Pizdets: Gyrfalcon: vharshyde: Lemme get this straight. An oil tycoon gets hit with a fine, then leaves the country and goes on an easy-target "OMG THE POLITICAL PRISONERS" tirade, saying he's in exile... Except he's not, he just has to pay the fine if he comes back. 

If this happened in the US, it'd be A: business as usual, and B: a call for the lynching of said tycoon.

The oil tycoon was arrested over ten years ago on trumped up charges of treason or somesuch, stripped of his money, and spent a decade in a Russian prison in Siberia; he was released this week so Putin could play humanitarian for the IOC. He has no money left to pay the "fine" which is essentially all the money Putin took from him already, and is lucky to still be alive.

But thanks for displaying your ignorance.

He was formerly Russia's richest man, and yes he was absolutely an evil kleptocrat thug who stole as much wealth from his fellow citizens as he could (so no sympathy from me for his imprisonment) who, according to the best theory I heard at the time, ended up in jail because he openly tried to influence a political debate as to whether a new oil pipeline under consideration should be built either to China or Japan. Putin started out being fairly willing to ignore the massive criminal activity of the oligarch class so long as they stayed out of politics-  Khodorkovksy just didnt think that Putin would back that up when it came to himself. I would be willing to bet, however, that he still has a couple or ten million euro stashed somewhere that the FSB couldn't find or "couldn't find".

The story I got was that he was jailed initially for challenging Putin on the pipeline--the "influence" amounted to saying Putin was wrong. And Siberian prisons are no joke. I'd rather do ten years at Pelican Bay than five in a Siberian work camp--they're still geared towards ensuring you don't finish your term.

Either way, the idea that he's just a rich guy who left the country voluntarily rather than pay ...


Yeah, I agree with what you're saying I just take offense at how some people have tried to portray Khodorkovsky or anyone involved in high-level finance or politics in Russia as a "good guy".   Especially those who came into the big time in the '90s.

I'm a hardcore lurker, but having lived through some of what Khodorkovsky and his ilk did to Russia I have a hard time seeing him as anything other than a thug. But you're right, not even thugs deserve the treatment one gets in Russian prisons. I shouldnt be so glib. That said, if Khodorkovsky continues to care about the very real plight of political prisoners now that he is no longer one I will be very surprised.
 
2013-12-23 10:14:21 AM
Watching the number of U.S. and E.U. based editorial writers going to bat for this Khodorkovsky Robber Baron like he was the pope was surreal.
 
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