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(Mirror.co.uk)   Gallant always returns his empty glass to the bar. Goofus notices this and fines the pub for using 'undeclared labor'   (mirror.co.uk) divider line 73
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2013-12-21 07:25:03 PM
I'm conflicted here. Sure it's the Mirror so there is a 95% chance this is a fake story, but it's France, so there's a 95% chance this is a real story.
 
2013-12-21 07:56:36 PM

WTF Indeed: I'm conflicted here. Sure it's the Mirror so there is a 95% chance this is a fake story, but it's France, so there's a 95% chance this is a real story.


In the "plausible" column, it includes an ornery French official and drinking, but on the "dubious" side of the argument, there's the claim of French restaurant customers being courteous.
 
2013-12-21 08:09:13 PM

WTF Indeed: I'm conflicted here. Sure it's the Mirror so there is a 95% chance this is a fake story, but it's France, so there's a 95% chance this is a real story.


The Mirror appears to be simply copy/pasting from a story in the Independent. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/french-pub-fined-9000 - after-customers-returned-empties-to-bar--because-its-undeclared-labour -9018432.html
 
2013-12-21 09:06:44 PM
Yes because this kind of corruption never occurs in the US...

www.popularresistance.org
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-12-21 09:09:47 PM
Quoting dj_bigbird's link: Customers vouched for the owners and they escaped charges.

In the USA some labor laws are written such that permitting a person to to a task is the same as asking a person to do a ask. Otherwise employees start volunteering to work late without pay to keep their jobs.
 
2013-12-21 09:25:33 PM

bdub77: Yes because this kind of corruption never occurs in the US...


What is your point?
 
2013-12-21 09:27:27 PM
In the US, they'd have been stormed by SWAT, and any dogs on the premises shot.
 
2013-12-21 09:28:07 PM
Umm, you don't want unwashed barware brought to the bar. You want it taken toward where the dishwashing gets done.
 
2013-12-21 09:30:55 PM

wildcardjack: Umm, you don't want unwashed barware brought to the bar. You want it taken toward where the dishwashing gets done.


Which is usually a sink behind the bar.
 
2013-12-21 09:35:30 PM

jjorsett: In the US, they'd have been stormed by SWAT, and any dogs on the premises shot.


No.  In the Us, a bar in a completely different state would be stormed by SWAT, and the dogs from a random house down the road from that bar would be shot.
 
2013-12-21 09:37:18 PM
Markya Le Floch, the owner of Mamm-Kounifl concert-café in Locmiquélic

Say that five times, fast.
 
2013-12-21 09:40:32 PM
So why did we liberate them again?
 
2013-12-21 09:41:11 PM

ZAZ: Quoting dj_bigbird's link: Customers vouched for the owners and they escaped charges.

In the USA some labor laws are written such that permitting a person to to a task is the same as asking a person to do a ask. Otherwise employees start volunteering to work late without pay to keep their jobs.


Uh, isn't that the only reason anyone volunteers to work late?
 
2013-12-21 09:41:34 PM

Tellurium: So why did we liberate them again?


For their delicious wine and cheese.
 
2013-12-21 09:44:21 PM

ZAZ: Quoting dj_bigbird's link: Customers vouched for the owners and they escaped charges.

In the USA some labor laws are written such that permitting a person to to a task is the same as asking a person to do a ask. Otherwise employees start volunteering to work late without pay to keep their jobs.


i.imgur.com

phalamir:
jjorsett: In the US, they'd have been stormed by SWAT, and any dogs on the premises shot.

No.  In the Us, a bar in a completely different state would be stormed by SWAT, and the dogs from a random house down the road from that bar would be shot.


And the police would assault non-violent protesters, too.

i.dailymail.co.uk

/Not sure why seppos tolerate that level of fascism.
 
2013-12-21 09:47:14 PM
so if i take the paper off my straw, i am on the labor force ? and someone can go to jail ?
 
2013-12-21 09:50:16 PM

phalamir: jjorsett: In the US, they'd have been stormed by SWAT, and any dogs on the premises shot.

No.  In the Us, a bar in a completely different state would be stormed by SWAT, and the dogs from a random house down the road from that bar would be shot.


That's not exaggeration.

http://www.salon.com/2013/07/07/%E2%80%9Cwhy_did_you_shoot_me_i_was_r e ading_a_book_the_new_warrior_cop_is_out_of_control/

But other legal challenges to paramilitary-style administrative searches have been less successful. Consider the bizarre case of David Ruttenberg, owner of the Rack 'n' Roll pool hall in Manassas Park, Virginia. In June 2004, local police conducted a massive raid on the pool hall with more than fifty police officers, some of whom were wearing face masks, toting semi-automatic weapons, and pumping shotguns as they entered. Customers were detained, searched, and zip-tied. The police were investigating Ruttenberg for several alleged drug crimes, although he was never charged. The local narcotics task force had tried unsuccessfully to get a warrant to search Ruttenberg's office but were denied by a judge. Instead, they simply brought along several representatives of the Virginia Department of Alcoholic Beverage Control and claimed that they were conducting an alcohol inspection. Ruttenberg was cited only for three alcohol violations, based on two bottles of beer a distributor had left that weren't clearly marked as samples, and a bottle of vodka they found in his private office.
 
2013-12-21 09:52:01 PM
This seriously reads like a story you'd find in a mid-90's Weekly World News.
 
2013-12-21 09:52:45 PM

MisterTweak: WTF Indeed: I'm conflicted here. Sure it's the Mirror so there is a 95% chance this is a fake story, but it's France, so there's a 95% chance this is a real story.

In the "plausible" column, it includes an ornery French official and drinking, but on the "dubious" side of the argument, there's the claim of French restaurant customers being courteous.


Yeah, see, you're thinking of Paris. This happened in a pub in Bretagne. People are actually polite there. Not surprising, considering they have strong roots in Great Britain. They aren't quite as French as other French people. (Who, outside of Paris, are also friendly, as far as I know.) They're Breton.

It's a freaking awesome province, actually. Beautiful coastline, standing stones at Carnac, best crepes you will ever have in your life...
 
2013-12-21 09:53:01 PM
Some people here have apparently never tried to pump their own gas in NJ.
 
2013-12-21 09:56:24 PM
WTF.   I have to wonder if this was a bored agent with an axe to grind jumping onthe first thing that could be construed as a violation.
 
2013-12-21 09:56:27 PM

Kraftwerk Orange: Some people here have apparently never tried to pump their own gas in NJ.


or in oregon
 
2013-12-21 10:02:57 PM
 
2013-12-21 10:03:21 PM
Sounds like more than a few farkers here have an axe to grind with unionized labor.
 
2013-12-21 10:03:28 PM

sendtodave: Uh, isn't that the only reason anyone volunteers to work late?


No. Anytime I've ever volunteered to work late, it's been for the overtime.
 
2013-12-21 10:05:19 PM

Canton: MisterTweak: WTF Indeed: I'm conflicted here. Sure it's the Mirror so there is a 95% chance this is a fake story, but it's France, so there's a 95% chance this is a real story.

In the "plausible" column, it includes an ornery French official and drinking, but on the "dubious" side of the argument, there's the claim of French restaurant customers being courteous.


Yeah, see, you're thinking of Paris. This happened in a pub in Bretagne. People are actually polite there. Not surprising, considering they have strong roots in Great Britain. They aren't quite as French as other French people. (Who, outside of Paris, are also friendly, as far as I know.) They're Breton.


It's a freaking awesome province, actually. Beautiful coastline, standing stones at Carnac, best crepes you will ever have in your life...


img.fark.net


Wow. I think that is the definition of "quaint and charming."
 
2013-12-21 10:05:26 PM

WTP 2: so if i take the paper off my straw, i am on the labor force ? and someone can go to jail ?


Is that a straw man argument?
 
2013-12-21 10:05:58 PM

sendtodave: ZAZ: Quoting dj_bigbird's link: Customers vouched for the owners and they escaped charges.

In the USA some labor laws are written such that permitting a person to to a task is the same as asking a person to do a ask. Otherwise employees start volunteering to work late without pay to keep their jobs.

Uh, isn't that the only reason anyone volunteers to work late?


No, you do it to get paid overtime when you need extra money.
 
2013-12-21 10:09:18 PM

LrdPhoenix: No, you do it to get paid overtime when you need extra money.


More likely they give you "comp time", which you will never be approved by management to actually use.
 
2013-12-21 10:09:39 PM

Kraftwerk Orange: Some people here have apparently never tried to pump their own gas in NJ.


I haven't, for two reasons. One, you aren't allowed to pump your own gas in NJ. Two, I know better than to go to NJ.
 
2013-12-21 10:09:55 PM

Danger Avoid Death: WTP 2: so if i take the paper off my straw, i am on the labor force ? and someone can go to jail ?

Is that a straw man argument?


Straw person. There's still a straw ceiling, but one day...
 
2013-12-21 10:10:10 PM
Oh, hey, sorry about all those extra carriage returns, no idea how they got there. It's just that fark decided that they don't really care about mobile users. Want to post a picture? Or just quote one sentence? fark you, you can't.

Gotta post using the regular site! That bugs out and doesn't work. It took me three tries to post that.

It's been years, guys...

/I'll get over it
 
2013-12-21 10:10:16 PM
in a lot of countries, they have people who clean up your table for you at wends or mcdonalds or burger king. i always forget and there are people running towards me to take the tray out of of my hands. it is their job...if i did it for them...they might not have it.
 
2013-12-21 10:11:55 PM

Pokey.Clyde: sendtodave: Uh, isn't that the only reason anyone volunteers to work late?

No. Anytime I've ever volunteered to work late, it's been for the overtime.


Oh, yeah, I forget that some people are paid by the hour.

Ok, isn't "not getting fired" the only reason for anyone that actually gets a salary to work late?
 
2013-12-21 10:13:22 PM

sendtodave: ZAZ: Quoting dj_bigbird's link: Customers vouched for the owners and they escaped charges.

In the USA some labor laws are written such that permitting a person to to a task is the same as asking a person to do a ask. Otherwise employees start volunteering to work late without pay to keep their jobs.

Uh, isn't that the only reason anyone volunteers to work late?


I only ever volunteered if I WERE getting paid, or paid overtime/comp time. Otherwise fark that, no job is worth unpaid time.
 
2013-12-21 10:14:29 PM

Tanukis_Parachute: in a lot of countries, they have people who clean up your table for you at wends or mcdonalds or burger king. i always forget and there are people running towards me to take the tray out of of my hands. it is their job...if i did it for them...they might not have it.


Isn't that the whole point of automation? And having the customer do things himself?

To hire less people?
 
2013-12-21 10:17:01 PM

kim jong-un: bdub77: Yes because this kind of corruption never occurs in the US...

What is your point?


François Hollande is now President, and every American must wear a beret.

I'm sorry, I don't make the rules.
 
2013-12-21 10:18:24 PM

Snarfangel: kim jong-un: bdub77: Yes because this kind of corruption never occurs in the US...

What is your point?

François Hollande is now President, and every American must wear a beret.

I'm sorry, I don't make the rules.


Mitch Hedberg smiles down approvingly.
 
2013-12-21 10:20:21 PM

LrdPhoenix: sendtodave: ZAZ: Quoting dj_bigbird's link: Customers vouched for the owners and they escaped charges.

In the USA some labor laws are written such that permitting a person to to a task is the same as asking a person to do a ask. Otherwise employees start volunteering to work late without pay to keep their jobs.

Uh, isn't that the only reason anyone volunteers to work late?

No, you do it to get paid overtime when you need extra money.


What is this "extra money" you speak of?
 
2013-12-21 10:28:53 PM

jayhawk88: This seriously reads like a story you'd find in a mid-90's Weekly World News.


Remember Ed Anger's "My America" column and how ridiculous all his absurd right-wing rants sounded?

Sigh.
 
2013-12-21 10:29:47 PM

God_Almighty_Himself: Sounds like more than a few farkers here have an axe to grind with unionized labor.


You're the only one here who has mentioned unions.
 
2013-12-21 10:31:58 PM
Sounds like the UAW. God help a manager if he even touches a line-worker's tool, much less tries to help. The equipment is broken? We'll repair it when it's turned off. That complex procedure involves flipping a switch. Which only a UAW electrician can do. He'll be by in four hours. No, oppressor manager, if YOU try to do it, you'll be lucky to survive the parking-lot beating you'll get.

/Solidarity forevvvver, screwing over the people who pay our salaries every chance we get.....
 
2013-12-21 10:32:36 PM

Canton: MisterTweak: WTF Indeed: I'm conflicted here. Sure it's the Mirror so there is a 95% chance this is a fake story, but it's France, so there's a 95% chance this is a real story.

In the "plausible" column, it includes an ornery French official and drinking, but on the "dubious" side of the argument, there's the claim of French restaurant customers being courteous.

Yeah, see, you're thinking of Paris. This happened in a pub in Bretagne. People are actually polite there. Not surprising, considering they have strong roots in Great Britain. They aren't quite as French as other French people. (Who, outside of Paris, are also friendly, as far as I know.) They're Breton.

It's a freaking awesome province, actually. Beautiful coastline, standing stones at Carnac, best crepes you will ever have in your life...


Yeah, they crossed over and colonized the area post Roman occupation of Britannia almost 2000 years ago.
 
2013-12-21 10:33:12 PM

Tanukis_Parachute: in a lot of countries, they have people who clean up your table for you at wends or mcdonalds or burger king. i always forget and there are people running towards me to take the tray out of of my hands. it is their job...if i did it for them...they might not have it.


And instead they'd do something else.  Since it's more efficient for you to do it than for them to do it (because it doesn't cost you a material amount of productive time but it does cost them actual labor), it would be economically advantageous for society if you just cleared your own table.
 
2013-12-21 10:34:17 PM

sendtodave: Canton: MisterTweak: WTF Indeed: I'm conflicted here. Sure it's the Mirror so there is a 95% chance this is a fake story, but it's France, so there's a 95% chance this is a real story.
In the "plausible" column, it includes an ornery French official and drinking, but on the "dubious" side of the argument, there's the claim of French restaurant customers being courteous.
Yeah, see, you're thinking of Paris. This happened in a pub in Bretagne. People are actually polite there. Not surprising, considering they have strong roots in Great Britain. They aren't quite as French as other French people. (Who, outside of Paris, are also friendly, as far as I know.) They're Breton.
It's a freaking awesome province, actually. Beautiful coastline, standing stones at Carnac, best crepes you will ever have in your life...
[img.fark.net image 800x536]
Wow. I think that is the definition of "quaint and charming."


Basically, yeah. That looks like the old part of wherever it is. Which makes sense. Settlements would have sprung up near the coast, and spread inland.

Here's the Ville Close in Concarneau. (I did not take that picture. I should really scan mine at some point.) It's kind of my go-to Breton town since  I spent a week there in Concarneau in high school. And, according to Google Maps, it's only about an hour away from Locmiquélic. So... close enough, I guess? Not finding any really nice pics of theactual town in the article. It's tiny, though, so maybe that's why...

img.fark.net

/I miss that town...
 
2013-12-21 10:35:04 PM
Cool do I get to sue Pat O'Brians for slave labor now?
 
2013-12-21 10:36:54 PM

bdub77: Yes because this kind of corruption never occurs in the US...

[www.popularresistance.org image 580x388]


Thread.
 
2013-12-21 10:37:13 PM
Canton:
Yeah, see, you're thinking of Paris.

They should actually build a 50 foot wall around Paris with no gates. The people inside would be happy in their absolute confidence that nothing outside is worth shiat anyway, and the people outside would only miss the art and architecture, and when the people inside died off we could turn the place into a museum.
 
2013-12-21 10:38:20 PM

JohnAnnArbor: Sounds like the UAW. God help a manager if he even touches a line-worker's tool, much less tries to help. The equipment is broken? We'll repair it when it's turned off. That complex procedure involves flipping a switch. Which only a UAW electrician can do. He'll be by in four hours. No, oppressor manager, if YOU try to do it, you'll be lucky to survive the parking-lot beating you'll get.

/Solidarity forevvvver, screwing over the people who pay our salaries every chance we get.....


All thats kinda changed since the bankruptcies.
 
2013-12-21 10:49:26 PM

JohnAnnArbor: Sounds like the UAW. God help a manager if he even touches a line-worker's tool, much less tries to help. The equipment is broken? We'll repair it when it's turned off. That complex procedure involves flipping a switch. Which only a UAW electrician can do. He'll be by in four hours. No, oppressor manager, if YOU try to do it, you'll be lucky to survive the parking-lot beating you'll get.

/Solidarity forevvvver, screwing over the people who pay our salaries every chance we get.....


I was going to say something snarky about unions but you got it covered. Carry on citizen.
 
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