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(KOAT Albuquerque)   New Mexico Supreme Court: Legalizing same-sex marriage affects everyone in the state. Navajo Nation: How?   (koat.com) divider line 26
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2013-12-21 07:55:57 PM  
8 votes:

nickdaisy: cman: Sovereignty, biatches

too bad the sovereignty of our fifty states had been replaced with a centralized system of government that completely contradicts the idea of federalism. Show me where exactly the federal government has the authority to defend a mythical right to privacy and compel a state to legalize abortion, or gay marriage, or any of the other political flavors of the week?

A true progressive would be terrified of the idea that a court is just inventing new rules.


If you want to speak of inventing new rules, where does any level of government gain the authority to interfere in consenting relationships between two people, or private medical procedures, that cause harm to no living person?
2013-12-21 08:00:06 PM  
6 votes:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: nickdaisy: cman: Sovereignty, biatches

too bad the sovereignty of our fifty states had been replaced with a centralized system of government that completely contradicts the idea of federalism. Show me where exactly the federal government has the authority to defend a mythical right to privacy and compel a state to legalize abortion, or gay marriage, or any of the other political flavors of the week?

A true progressive would be terrified of the idea that a court is just inventing new rules.

You're forgetting about The Brown Scale. The more brown a person or culture is perceived as, the more leeway they have in acting against progressive interests while still being supported by progressives.


Sorry to interrupt your guys' circle jerk, but here in the real world, you both sound like idiots.
2013-12-21 07:17:29 PM  
5 votes:
From a Realpolitik stance, their sovereignty stretches as far as Congress and the Federal Courts let them. I somehow seriously doubt Tribal Sovereignty would allow them to ignore certain issues, such as the 13th Amendment. Heck, given that the tribal nations own judicial system is an extension of the U.S. Judicial System, imposed on them by Congress, their sovereignty is as illusory as Ted Cruz's sense of shame.
2013-12-21 08:09:52 PM  
4 votes:

Lanadapter: The whole point of being anti abortion is that you view the unborn as helpless living persons


I would have more respect for their viewpoint if they cared as much about that young person outside of the womb as they seem to care while it is still in there.
2013-12-21 07:10:54 PM  
3 votes:

cman: Sovereignty, biatches


Exactly. While I support same sex marriage, I support respecting what's left of Native American autonomy as well.
2013-12-21 06:34:41 PM  
3 votes:
Sovereignty, biatches
2013-12-21 08:53:23 PM  
2 votes:

nickdaisy: middlewaytao: Mithiwithi: nickdaisy: cman: Sovereignty, biatches

too bad the sovereignty of our fifty states had been replaced with a centralized system of government that completely contradicts the idea of federalism. Show me where exactly the federal government has the authority to defend a mythical right to privacy and compel a state to legalize abortion, or gay marriage, or any of the other political flavors of the week?

A true progressive would be terrified of the idea that a court is just inventing new rules.

If you want to speak of inventing new rules, where does any level of government gain the authority to interfere in consenting relationships between two people, or private medical procedures, that cause harm to no living person?

The full faith and credit clause of the constitution.


"That law enacted in 2005 says same-sex marriage says same-sex marriage is "void and prohibited" but it also recognizes marriages created outside tribal lands"


It seems like the tribe understand it more than the bigoted states.

the full faith and credit clause requires other states to support the judgments and public records of other states.  it doesn't say the USG can tell the states what to do.  what you're looking for is the supremacy clause.  while you're looking for it, take a peak at the tenth amendment and Article One, Sec. 8, where the powers of Congress are outlined.  There's nothing in there about being able to tell the states what a marriage is, or what sort of schooling their children must have, let alone granting the feds the authority to compel you have health insurance.

it's all made up.  and while it might be made up for GOOD reasons, making a rule up based on fictitious authority is a step toward tyranny.  today they're protecting the rights of gays to marry, tomorrow they're deciding that you can't drink beer, or need to read the Bible each morning, or aren't allowed to masturbate to Mrs. Doubtfire posters.


If it were left to states interracial marriage would still be outlawed in much of the south. Only the courts ended that.
A marriage license is a public record and contract from another state that bigoted states have refused to recognize, also.

The state government endorsed bigotry will end one of the two ways above, all that you can do is try and stall it. And explain to your grandchildren.
2013-12-21 08:23:28 PM  
2 votes:

Waldo Pepper: do you have any facts/figures showing how pro-lifers care less about persons outside the womb vs inside the womb?


Check out pro-lifers and support of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.
2013-12-21 07:30:15 PM  
2 votes:
Considering the long tradition of socially-accepted third/fourth genders, etc. in southwest cultures, I'm surprised they had a law against it.
2013-12-21 07:29:15 PM  
2 votes:
It is the exact opposite of the Oklahoma situation: Indian tribe allows it, the state prohibits it.
2013-12-22 01:36:46 PM  
1 votes:

Waldo Pepper: elysive: Waldo Pepper: How are they being forced to be incubators? did the state force these ladies to have sex?


And here is the dumbest pro-life argument ever toted out in a debate. Hear that ladies and gents? If you dont want kids or a possible forced (or sorry pursuasive) pregnancy, you must sign up for a life of celibacy.

/off to inform the the mister and he's gonna be pissed

Wait you mean all those ways of preventing pregnancy don't work or are you saying that the only women who are getting abortions are a result of failed birth control?  There are a whole lot of folks out there who have have sex and have never become or gotten someone pregnant and I would dare say most of these were a result of using birth control.
Like everything else in life, if you want to do the deed then you must be willing to accept what comes along with the deed if you choose not to use care.

is this truly a woman's issues or maybe it is just another way for men to treat women like a dog. "oh i knocked you up, well hop in and lets go take get rid of it."


Why do all women seeking abortions have to meet your moral approval? Last time I checked no birth control is 100% effective and women aren't the only ones deciding to have sex. I dont care if 99.9999999998% of all unwanted prgnancies are due to women whoring around at the central market spread eagle, unprotected and with strangers. If my birth control fails, I take my personal right not to have to yield my body to the sustenance of some other organism pretty seriously.
2013-12-22 11:14:23 AM  
1 votes:

Waldo Pepper: How are they being forced to be incubators? did the state force these ladies to have sex?


And here is the dumbest pro-life argument ever toted out in a debate. Hear that ladies and gents? If you dont want kids or a possible forced (or sorry pursuasive) pregnancy, you must sign up for a life of celibacy.

/off to inform the the mister and he's gonna be pissed
2013-12-21 10:49:24 PM  
1 votes:

grumpfuff: No, no it's not. Slippery slopes are fear-mongering intended to sway you without any actual evidence or facts.


www.signspotting.com

Just use the sidewalk. Jeez.
2013-12-21 09:57:37 PM  
1 votes:

Waldo Pepper: do you have any facts/figures showing how pro-lifers care less about persons outside the womb vs inside the womb?


Well, Republicans, in general, fight against increases spending for healthcare, sex ed (to prevent unwanted pregnancies to start with), as well as social welfare programs and social justice programs, so there is that.  They also frequently prioritize the fetus over the mother's life.  They tend to support the death penalty (even although it is unevenly applied based on your race, and often regardless of the evidence).

So there is that.
2013-12-21 09:33:42 PM  
1 votes:

grumpfuff: bojon: grumpfuff: nickdaisy: tomorrow they're deciding that you can't drink beer

They tried that. It didn't work out too well.

nickdaisy: or need to read the Bible each morning

Because the First Amendment doesn't exist.

nickdaisy: aren't allowed to masturbate to Mrs. Doubtfire posters.

Because that's totally enforceable.


/so tired of slippery slope arguments

Absurdity is sometimes a good illustration.

No, no it's not. Slippery slopes are fear-mongering intended to sway you without any actual evidence or facts.


Speculation on future actions is an essential part to making a decision. One must ensure that all things are taken into consideration before one endeavors.
2013-12-21 09:26:27 PM  
1 votes:

nickdaisy: do you think anyone would have believed just a short time ago that the federal government could mandate insurance coverage?


Yes. Mandating insurance coverage for sailors was one of the first acts of the United States government. The power of the government to mandate insurance coverage is literally older than the 14th Amendment.

nickdaisy: execute a US citizen without a trial?


Never happened. Combat operations in foreign territory are not executions.

nickdaisy: prosecute two wars without an express declaration


The AUMF suffices as a declaration of war for everything save international law. Technically, we can't declare war because of some arcane stuff related to our membership in the UN. Both Afghanistan and Iraq were authorized by Congress.

nickdaisy: bailout certain banks and auto manufacturers and then watch as the CEOs of those companies gave themselves fat bonuses a year later


Bonuses were restricted by federal law during that time.

You seem mad about a lot of things that never happened. Perhaps you should try being part of reality instead of hunkering down in your bunker muttering about how the queers are coming to get you.
2013-12-21 09:15:49 PM  
1 votes:

Waldo Pepper: Dinjiin: Lanadapter: The whole point of being anti abortion is that you view the unborn as helpless living persons

I would have more respect for their viewpoint if they cared as much about that young person outside of the womb as they seem to care while it is still in there.

do you have any facts/figures showing how pro-lifers care less about persons outside the womb vs inside the womb?

I'm truly curous as i see that statement quite often but never any truth upholding it.


How about the Georgia Rep that wants poor kids to work for their school lunches.  Whereas the innocent fetus should be given every regard, those rotten poor kids have been living off the dole far too long.

/refute it, troll
2013-12-21 08:48:10 PM  
1 votes:

bojon: grumpfuff: nickdaisy: tomorrow they're deciding that you can't drink beer

They tried that. It didn't work out too well.

nickdaisy: or need to read the Bible each morning

Because the First Amendment doesn't exist.

nickdaisy: aren't allowed to masturbate to Mrs. Doubtfire posters.

Because that's totally enforceable.


/so tired of slippery slope arguments

Absurdity is sometimes a good illustration.


do you think anyone would have believed just a short time ago that the federal government could mandate insurance coverage?  execute a US citizen without a trial?  prosecute two wars without an express declaration?  bailout certain banks and auto manufacturers and then watch as the CEOs of those companies gave themselves fat bonuses a year later?

face it, the federal government is doing what it wants, when it wants.  and it might not do what you want all the time.  in fact, i'd submit they're buying off the left with social issues like this while they suck off the corporations that are really running the show.

but what do you care if the US government has been adopted by wall street, as long as their puppet is a black guy and gay people can marry, screw all of our other civil liberties, right?  the old white guys who came up with that federal system were just evil slave holders anyway, right?  what did they know about instituting a system to protect people from the dangers of tyranny and populism?

you don't need that old stuff-- you got change!
2013-12-21 08:45:37 PM  
1 votes:

bojon: grumpfuff: nickdaisy: tomorrow they're deciding that you can't drink beer

They tried that. It didn't work out too well.

nickdaisy: or need to read the Bible each morning

Because the First Amendment doesn't exist.

nickdaisy: aren't allowed to masturbate to Mrs. Doubtfire posters.

Because that's totally enforceable.


/so tired of slippery slope arguments

Absurdity is sometimes a good illustration.


No, no it's not. Slippery slopes are fear-mongering intended to sway you without any actual evidence or facts.
2013-12-21 08:14:17 PM  
1 votes:

Mithiwithi: nickdaisy: cman: Sovereignty, biatches

too bad the sovereignty of our fifty states had been replaced with a centralized system of government that completely contradicts the idea of federalism. Show me where exactly the federal government has the authority to defend a mythical right to privacy and compel a state to legalize abortion, or gay marriage, or any of the other political flavors of the week?

A true progressive would be terrified of the idea that a court is just inventing new rules.

If you want to speak of inventing new rules, where does any level of government gain the authority to interfere in consenting relationships between two people, or private medical procedures, that cause harm to no living person?


The full faith and credit clause of the constitution.


"That law enacted in 2005 says same-sex marriage says same-sex marriage is "void and prohibited" but it also recognizes marriages created outside tribal lands"


It seems like the tribe understand it more than the bigoted states.
2013-12-21 08:12:20 PM  
1 votes:

verydrab: The methed out native nations are more like animals than real people. Lots of homo animals out there.


Hooray racism!
2013-12-21 08:01:40 PM  
1 votes:

Mithiwithi: nickdaisy: cman: Sovereignty, biatches

too bad the sovereignty of our fifty states had been replaced with a centralized system of government that completely contradicts the idea of federalism. Show me where exactly the federal government has the authority to defend a mythical right to privacy and compel a state to legalize abortion, or gay marriage, or any of the other political flavors of the week?

A true progressive would be terrified of the idea that a court is just inventing new rules.

If you want to speak of inventing new rules, where does any level of government gain the authority to interfere in consenting relationships between two people, or private medical procedures, that cause harm to no living person?


The whole point of being anti abortion is that you view the unborn as helpless living persons
2013-12-21 07:46:30 PM  
1 votes:

nickdaisy: cman: Sovereignty, biatches

too bad the sovereignty of our fifty states had been replaced with a centralized system of government that completely contradicts the idea of federalism. Show me where exactly the federal government has the authority to defend a mythical right to privacy and compel a state to legalize abortion, or gay marriage, or any of the other political flavors of the week?

A true progressive would be terrified of the idea that a court is just inventing new rules.


You're forgetting about The Brown Scale. The more brown a person or culture is perceived as, the more leeway they have in acting against progressive interests while still being supported by progressives.
2013-12-21 07:35:46 PM  
1 votes:

SwiftFox: So, this only applies in New Mexico, and not in the United States? So what then.


The Navajo nation encompasses parts of NM,AZ and UT, and I'm assuming tribal law applies no matter what state a particular part of the nation lies in.
2013-12-21 07:17:59 PM  
1 votes:
The best part about gay Indians is that they use every part of the butthole, no part goes to waste
2013-12-21 07:12:15 PM  
1 votes:
This is really gonna disappoint Cheif Packs Fudge
 
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