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2013-12-21 06:34:41 PM
Sovereignty, biatches
 
2013-12-21 07:10:54 PM

cman: Sovereignty, biatches


Exactly. While I support same sex marriage, I support respecting what's left of Native American autonomy as well.
 
2013-12-21 07:12:15 PM
This is really gonna disappoint Cheif Packs Fudge
 
2013-12-21 07:12:57 PM
That law enacted in 2005 says same-sex marriage says same-sex marriage is "void and prohibited"

They said same-sex marriage twice...
 
2013-12-21 07:14:09 PM

stratagos: cman: Sovereignty, biatches

Exactly. While I support same sex marriage, I support respecting what's left of Native American autonomy as well.


Both of this.
 
2013-12-21 07:15:23 PM
encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2013-12-21 07:17:29 PM
From a Realpolitik stance, their sovereignty stretches as far as Congress and the Federal Courts let them. I somehow seriously doubt Tribal Sovereignty would allow them to ignore certain issues, such as the 13th Amendment. Heck, given that the tribal nations own judicial system is an extension of the U.S. Judicial System, imposed on them by Congress, their sovereignty is as illusory as Ted Cruz's sense of shame.
 
2013-12-21 07:17:59 PM
The best part about gay Indians is that they use every part of the butthole, no part goes to waste
 
2013-12-21 07:19:28 PM

fusillade762: That law enacted in 2005 says same-sex marriage says same-sex marriage is "void and prohibited"

They said same-sex marriage twice...


They really like same-sex marriage.
 
2013-12-21 07:21:36 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: The best part about gay Indians is that they use every part of the butthole, no part goes to waste


Fascinating culture.
 
2013-12-21 07:22:46 PM
So, this only applies in New Mexico, and not in the United States? So what then.
 
2013-12-21 07:23:26 PM
assets.yala.fm
 
2013-12-21 07:24:56 PM
This is gonna be bad for business for Navajoles, the only gay club on the reservation.
 
WGJ
2013-12-21 07:25:08 PM
Bunch of brave farkers
 
2013-12-21 07:26:13 PM

Chalji: From a Realpolitik stance, their sovereignty stretches as far as Congress and the Federal Courts let them. I somehow seriously doubt Tribal Sovereignty would allow them to ignore certain issues, such as the 13th Amendment. Heck, given that the tribal nations own judicial system is an extension of the U.S. Judicial System, imposed on them by Congress, their sovereignty is as illusory as Ted Cruz's sense of shame.


New Mexico's supreme court doesn't speak for the US government. That is a bridge that we must cross when we get there.
 
2013-12-21 07:29:15 PM
It is the exact opposite of the Oklahoma situation: Indian tribe allows it, the state prohibits it.
 
2013-12-21 07:30:15 PM
Considering the long tradition of socially-accepted third/fourth genders, etc. in southwest cultures, I'm surprised they had a law against it.
 
2013-12-21 07:35:46 PM

SwiftFox: So, this only applies in New Mexico, and not in the United States? So what then.


The Navajo nation encompasses parts of NM,AZ and UT, and I'm assuming tribal law applies no matter what state a particular part of the nation lies in.
 
2013-12-21 07:40:40 PM
The methed out native nations are more like animals than real people. Lots of homo animals out there.
 
2013-12-21 07:43:21 PM

TheMysteriousStranger: It is the exact opposite of the Oklahoma situation: Indian tribe allows it, the state prohibits it.


And yet they are both examples of the same legal precident.
 
2013-12-21 07:43:44 PM

cman: Sovereignty, biatches


too bad the sovereignty of our fifty states had been replaced with a centralized system of government that completely contradicts the idea of federalism. Show me where exactly the federal government has the authority to defend a mythical right to privacy and compel a state to legalize abortion, or gay marriage, or any of the other political flavors of the week?

A true progressive would be terrified of the idea that a court is just inventing new rules.
 
2013-12-21 07:44:37 PM
Nice, Subby!  Nice!
 
2013-12-21 07:46:30 PM

nickdaisy: cman: Sovereignty, biatches

too bad the sovereignty of our fifty states had been replaced with a centralized system of government that completely contradicts the idea of federalism. Show me where exactly the federal government has the authority to defend a mythical right to privacy and compel a state to legalize abortion, or gay marriage, or any of the other political flavors of the week?

A true progressive would be terrified of the idea that a court is just inventing new rules.


You're forgetting about The Brown Scale. The more brown a person or culture is perceived as, the more leeway they have in acting against progressive interests while still being supported by progressives.
 
2013-12-21 07:51:46 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: This is really gonna disappoint Chief Packs Fudge


And Dances With Men is furious.
 
2013-12-21 07:55:57 PM

nickdaisy: cman: Sovereignty, biatches

too bad the sovereignty of our fifty states had been replaced with a centralized system of government that completely contradicts the idea of federalism. Show me where exactly the federal government has the authority to defend a mythical right to privacy and compel a state to legalize abortion, or gay marriage, or any of the other political flavors of the week?

A true progressive would be terrified of the idea that a court is just inventing new rules.


If you want to speak of inventing new rules, where does any level of government gain the authority to interfere in consenting relationships between two people, or private medical procedures, that cause harm to no living person?
 
2013-12-21 08:00:06 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: nickdaisy: cman: Sovereignty, biatches

too bad the sovereignty of our fifty states had been replaced with a centralized system of government that completely contradicts the idea of federalism. Show me where exactly the federal government has the authority to defend a mythical right to privacy and compel a state to legalize abortion, or gay marriage, or any of the other political flavors of the week?

A true progressive would be terrified of the idea that a court is just inventing new rules.

You're forgetting about The Brown Scale. The more brown a person or culture is perceived as, the more leeway they have in acting against progressive interests while still being supported by progressives.


Sorry to interrupt your guys' circle jerk, but here in the real world, you both sound like idiots.
 
2013-12-21 08:00:27 PM
kemosabe

If you know what I mean, and I think you do, but I don't
 
2013-12-21 08:01:40 PM

Mithiwithi: nickdaisy: cman: Sovereignty, biatches

too bad the sovereignty of our fifty states had been replaced with a centralized system of government that completely contradicts the idea of federalism. Show me where exactly the federal government has the authority to defend a mythical right to privacy and compel a state to legalize abortion, or gay marriage, or any of the other political flavors of the week?

A true progressive would be terrified of the idea that a court is just inventing new rules.

If you want to speak of inventing new rules, where does any level of government gain the authority to interfere in consenting relationships between two people, or private medical procedures, that cause harm to no living person?


The whole point of being anti abortion is that you view the unborn as helpless living persons
 
2013-12-21 08:01:42 PM
 you are in so much trouble when monty666 gets here, subby.

..or not. i dunno.
 
2013-12-21 08:06:35 PM
..reminds me of this -

what the Indian said to the Mermaid..."how come?"

bada-boom.
 
2013-12-21 08:06:55 PM
That law enacted in 2005 says same-sex marriage says same-sex marriage is "void and prohibited"

i200.photobucket.com
 
2013-12-21 08:09:52 PM

Lanadapter: The whole point of being anti abortion is that you view the unborn as helpless living persons


I would have more respect for their viewpoint if they cared as much about that young person outside of the womb as they seem to care while it is still in there.
 
2013-12-21 08:10:01 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: The best part about gay Indians is that they use every part of the butthole, no part goes to waste


Beautiful isn't it? We could all learn from them.
 
2013-12-21 08:12:20 PM

verydrab: The methed out native nations are more like animals than real people. Lots of homo animals out there.


Hooray racism!
 
2013-12-21 08:14:17 PM

Mithiwithi: nickdaisy: cman: Sovereignty, biatches

too bad the sovereignty of our fifty states had been replaced with a centralized system of government that completely contradicts the idea of federalism. Show me where exactly the federal government has the authority to defend a mythical right to privacy and compel a state to legalize abortion, or gay marriage, or any of the other political flavors of the week?

A true progressive would be terrified of the idea that a court is just inventing new rules.

If you want to speak of inventing new rules, where does any level of government gain the authority to interfere in consenting relationships between two people, or private medical procedures, that cause harm to no living person?


The full faith and credit clause of the constitution.


"That law enacted in 2005 says same-sex marriage says same-sex marriage is "void and prohibited" but it also recognizes marriages created outside tribal lands"


It seems like the tribe understand it more than the bigoted states.
 
2013-12-21 08:22:42 PM

Dinjiin: Lanadapter: The whole point of being anti abortion is that you view the unborn as helpless living persons

I would have more respect for their viewpoint if they cared as much about that young person outside of the womb as they seem to care while it is still in there.


do you have any facts/figures showing how pro-lifers care less about persons outside the womb vs inside the womb?

I'm truly curous as i see that statement quite often but never any truth upholding it.
 
2013-12-21 08:23:28 PM

Waldo Pepper: do you have any facts/figures showing how pro-lifers care less about persons outside the womb vs inside the womb?


Check out pro-lifers and support of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.
 
2013-12-21 08:24:26 PM
Gives whole new meaning of the term "sweat lodge"
 
2013-12-21 08:28:09 PM
The Navajo know.
 
2013-12-21 08:28:29 PM

stratagos: cman: Sovereignty, biatches

Exactly. While I support same sex marriage, I support respecting what's left of Native American autonomy as well.


Not to mention that their law prohibiting it explicitly recognizes same-sex marriages made outside their jurisdiction.  I'd rather they didn't outlaw it at all, but if you're going to outlaw it, that's the way to go about it.
 
2013-12-21 08:29:11 PM
More like Navajomos, am I right!?
 
2013-12-21 08:29:56 PM

LordOfThePings: That law enacted in 2005 says same-sex marriage says same-sex marriage is "void and prohibited"

[i200.photobucket.com image 165x210]


Boy, I said, boy...
 
2013-12-21 08:30:04 PM

middlewaytao: Mithiwithi: nickdaisy: cman: Sovereignty, biatches

too bad the sovereignty of our fifty states had been replaced with a centralized system of government that completely contradicts the idea of federalism. Show me where exactly the federal government has the authority to defend a mythical right to privacy and compel a state to legalize abortion, or gay marriage, or any of the other political flavors of the week?

A true progressive would be terrified of the idea that a court is just inventing new rules.

If you want to speak of inventing new rules, where does any level of government gain the authority to interfere in consenting relationships between two people, or private medical procedures, that cause harm to no living person?

The full faith and credit clause of the constitution.


"That law enacted in 2005 says same-sex marriage says same-sex marriage is "void and prohibited" but it also recognizes marriages created outside tribal lands"


It seems like the tribe understand it more than the bigoted states.


the full faith and credit clause requires other states to support the judgments and public records of other states.  it doesn't say the USG can tell the states what to do.  what you're looking for is the supremacy clause.  while you're looking for it, take a peak at the tenth amendment and Article One, Sec. 8, where the powers of Congress are outlined.  There's nothing in there about being able to tell the states what a marriage is, or what sort of schooling their children must have, let alone granting the feds the authority to compel you have health insurance.

it's all made up.  and while it might be made up for GOOD reasons, making a rule up based on fictitious authority is a step toward tyranny.  today they're protecting the rights of gays to marry, tomorrow they're deciding that you can't drink beer, or need to read the Bible each morning, or aren't allowed to masturbate to Mrs. Doubtfire posters.
 
2013-12-21 08:31:15 PM
Since when have native Americans been homophobic? Has Christian oppression managed to stifle their tradition of two-spirits?
 
2013-12-21 08:37:16 PM

nickdaisy: tomorrow they're deciding that you can't drink beer


They tried that. It didn't work out too well.

nickdaisy: or need to read the Bible each morning


Because the First Amendment doesn't exist.

nickdaisy: aren't allowed to masturbate to Mrs. Doubtfire posters.


Because that's totally enforceable.


/so tired of slippery slope arguments
 
2013-12-21 08:40:26 PM

grumpfuff: nickdaisy: tomorrow they're deciding that you can't drink beer

They tried that. It didn't work out too well.

nickdaisy: or need to read the Bible each morning

Because the First Amendment doesn't exist.

nickdaisy: aren't allowed to masturbate to Mrs. Doubtfire posters.

Because that's totally enforceable.


/so tired of slippery slope arguments

Absurdity is sometimes a good illustration.

 
2013-12-21 08:43:24 PM

phlegmmo: [encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com image 209x240]


Seig how?
 
2013-12-21 08:45:37 PM

bojon: grumpfuff: nickdaisy: tomorrow they're deciding that you can't drink beer

They tried that. It didn't work out too well.

nickdaisy: or need to read the Bible each morning

Because the First Amendment doesn't exist.

nickdaisy: aren't allowed to masturbate to Mrs. Doubtfire posters.

Because that's totally enforceable.


/so tired of slippery slope arguments

Absurdity is sometimes a good illustration.


No, no it's not. Slippery slopes are fear-mongering intended to sway you without any actual evidence or facts.
 
2013-12-21 08:48:10 PM

bojon: grumpfuff: nickdaisy: tomorrow they're deciding that you can't drink beer

They tried that. It didn't work out too well.

nickdaisy: or need to read the Bible each morning

Because the First Amendment doesn't exist.

nickdaisy: aren't allowed to masturbate to Mrs. Doubtfire posters.

Because that's totally enforceable.


/so tired of slippery slope arguments

Absurdity is sometimes a good illustration.


do you think anyone would have believed just a short time ago that the federal government could mandate insurance coverage?  execute a US citizen without a trial?  prosecute two wars without an express declaration?  bailout certain banks and auto manufacturers and then watch as the CEOs of those companies gave themselves fat bonuses a year later?

face it, the federal government is doing what it wants, when it wants.  and it might not do what you want all the time.  in fact, i'd submit they're buying off the left with social issues like this while they suck off the corporations that are really running the show.

but what do you care if the US government has been adopted by wall street, as long as their puppet is a black guy and gay people can marry, screw all of our other civil liberties, right?  the old white guys who came up with that federal system were just evil slave holders anyway, right?  what did they know about instituting a system to protect people from the dangers of tyranny and populism?

you don't need that old stuff-- you got change!
 
2013-12-21 08:53:23 PM

nickdaisy: middlewaytao: Mithiwithi: nickdaisy: cman: Sovereignty, biatches

too bad the sovereignty of our fifty states had been replaced with a centralized system of government that completely contradicts the idea of federalism. Show me where exactly the federal government has the authority to defend a mythical right to privacy and compel a state to legalize abortion, or gay marriage, or any of the other political flavors of the week?

A true progressive would be terrified of the idea that a court is just inventing new rules.

If you want to speak of inventing new rules, where does any level of government gain the authority to interfere in consenting relationships between two people, or private medical procedures, that cause harm to no living person?

The full faith and credit clause of the constitution.


"That law enacted in 2005 says same-sex marriage says same-sex marriage is "void and prohibited" but it also recognizes marriages created outside tribal lands"


It seems like the tribe understand it more than the bigoted states.

the full faith and credit clause requires other states to support the judgments and public records of other states.  it doesn't say the USG can tell the states what to do.  what you're looking for is the supremacy clause.  while you're looking for it, take a peak at the tenth amendment and Article One, Sec. 8, where the powers of Congress are outlined.  There's nothing in there about being able to tell the states what a marriage is, or what sort of schooling their children must have, let alone granting the feds the authority to compel you have health insurance.

it's all made up.  and while it might be made up for GOOD reasons, making a rule up based on fictitious authority is a step toward tyranny.  today they're protecting the rights of gays to marry, tomorrow they're deciding that you can't drink beer, or need to read the Bible each morning, or aren't allowed to masturbate to Mrs. Doubtfire posters.


If it were left to states interracial marriage would still be outlawed in much of the south. Only the courts ended that.
A marriage license is a public record and contract from another state that bigoted states have refused to recognize, also.

The state government endorsed bigotry will end one of the two ways above, all that you can do is try and stall it. And explain to your grandchildren.
 
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