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(Yahoo)   Turkey wants to start a war with America. Considering we have a gigantic military base in their country... Please, proceed   ( news.yahoo.com) divider line
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2013-12-21 11:52:06 PM  

LarryDan43: After our War on Christmas, why would anyone mess with us?


We still haven't shot that fat bastard down so who is really winning that one?
 
2013-12-22 12:08:31 AM  
threatening to declare an ambassador to be personnal non grata is not quite the same as declare war
 
2013-12-22 12:14:39 AM  

balloot: dericwater: I think the UN should say, "No countries can start a war or initiate any acts of aggression on any other country until and unless said county (the intending-to-be aggressor country) has all its shiat together. That is, very low unemployment, debt-free, trade-positive, democratically elected government leaders, etc."

/So far, probably only the Scandinavian countries, Switzerland and maybe Qatar might qualify.

LOL @  Qatar having "democratically elected government leaders".  Not to mention the whole thing where 75% of their population is made up of indentured servants.


They're foreign workers who make quite a bit more than they would in their home countries (most of them are from India). And the number is closer to 90%. It's the same deal with the UAE.
 
2013-12-22 12:18:29 AM  

quatchi: "This is a dirty plot against the national will," Erdogan said.

I blame Julie Doucet.

/On Fark, nothing obscure is.


No, nothing. And this comment makes me even more disappointed with the standard of Fark comic threads.
 
2013-12-22 01:32:06 AM  

fusillade762: balloot: dericwater: I think the UN should say, "No countries can start a war or initiate any acts of aggression on any other country until and unless said county (the intending-to-be aggressor country) has all its shiat together. That is, very low unemployment, debt-free, trade-positive, democratically elected government leaders, etc."

/So far, probably only the Scandinavian countries, Switzerland and maybe Qatar might qualify.

LOL @  Qatar having "democratically elected government leaders".  Not to mention the whole thing where 75% of their population is made up of indentured servants.

They're foreign workers who make quite a bit more than they would in their home countries (most of them are from India). And the number is closer to 90%. It's the same deal with the UAE.


They make more money but get treated much worse. I'm not sure that's a fair trade, just saying...
 
2013-12-22 01:56:40 AM  

Gyrfalcon: fusillade762: balloot: dericwater: I think the UN should say, "No countries can start a war or initiate any acts of aggression on any other country until and unless said county (the intending-to-be aggressor country) has all its shiat together. That is, very low unemployment, debt-free, trade-positive, democratically elected government leaders, etc."

/So far, probably only the Scandinavian countries, Switzerland and maybe Qatar might qualify.

LOL @  Qatar having "democratically elected government leaders".  Not to mention the whole thing where 75% of their population is made up of indentured servants.

They're foreign workers who make quite a bit more than they would in their home countries (most of them are from India). And the number is closer to 90%. It's the same deal with the UAE.

They make more money but get treated much worse. I'm not sure that's a fair trade, just saying...


The only reason I know anything about it is there's an article in this month's NatGeo magazine. I haven't finished it yet, but the I don't get the impression that the treatment they get is really all that bad. I mean if it was would there be so many of them? It's not like they get sworn to secrecy or anything and can't tell friends and relatives how things are going. Though apparently domestic help like maids and nannies do suffer a range of indignities from their employers and most guest workers try to avoid those positions.
 
2013-12-22 02:37:23 AM  

grimlock1972: sounds more like a corrupt PM is looking for excuses to explan why his closets allies are getting busted and is trying anything to spin this mess.


Here are 9 excuses:  http://www.buzzfeed.com/mikegiglio/the-top-9-conspiracy-theories-used - to-explain-a-massive-corr
 
2013-12-22 02:40:58 AM  
Turks are Indo-European and very quick to claim the Euro part. Their ancestors swept east across Anatolia from Europe, settled in Turkmenistan, then swept back west, conquered Anatolia and turned the Arab world on its head by making a secular, highly successful Muslim empire, which persists in slumber until the other Europeans give them permission to take out the Arab nations again to stem the tide of radicalism.

NOPE. Imagine a bus from Mongolia, slowly moving west. Some people get on, others get off.  When it reaches Anatolia, we have the Selcuks.

/I think I got that right
//This Erd guy is gonna end up arrested and the military will hold new elections just like always because he is a corrupt Islamist.


IF ONLY.  Too bad Erd put most of the generals in jail.
 
2013-12-22 03:32:43 AM  
WTF you say about St. Nick
 
2013-12-22 03:51:53 AM  
Oh, good, it's my chance to finally be inside a Turkish prison.

/mercenary
 
2013-12-22 05:54:37 AM  
FTFA: "Gulen lives in self-imposed exile in Pennsylvania"

Wow! He must really hate himself!
 
2013-12-22 05:56:27 AM  

fusillade762: Gyrfalcon: fusillade762: balloot: dericwater: I think the UN should say, "No countries can start a war or initiate any acts of aggression on any other country until and unless said county (the intending-to-be aggressor country) has all its shiat together. That is, very low unemployment, debt-free, trade-positive, democratically elected government leaders, etc."

/So far, probably only the Scandinavian countries, Switzerland and maybe Qatar might qualify.

LOL @  Qatar having "democratically elected government leaders".  Not to mention the whole thing where 75% of their population is made up of indentured servants.

They're foreign workers who make quite a bit more than they would in their home countries (most of them are from India). And the number is closer to 90%. It's the same deal with the UAE.

They make more money but get treated much worse. I'm not sure that's a fair trade, just saying...

The only reason I know anything about it is there's an article in this month's NatGeo magazine. I haven't finished it yet, but the I don't get the impression that the treatment they get is really all that bad. I mean if it was would there be so many of them? It's not like they get sworn to secrecy or anything and can't tell friends and relatives how things are going. Though apparently domestic help like maids and nannies do suffer a range of indignities from their employers and most guest workers try to avoid those positions.


Why would there be so many of them? Fusillade, you're not usually that naive. They're there because, as you say, they make a shiatload of money more than they can in their home countries, for starters. People will put up with all kinds of indignities if it means their loved ones can live in a home with indoor plumbing. For another, in many cases (just like often happens even here in America), they are enticed out of their homelands with promises of legitimate work, and once they get to Qatar or the UAE, they discover that the "contract" is really an indenture. Look what happened to the maid over in New York. Her boss took her passport, lied to US authorities, and when she tried to complain, threatened the girl's family back in India.

Now consider that happening in an enlightened nation like the UAE. Some girl lands there from Indonesia; her employer takes her passport, tells her the cost of her room and board comes out of her wages which are less than she thought they were going to be, she's going to have to do all the housework as well as being a nanny, and if she sets foot out of the compound he'll report her as a prostitute in a country where women have no rights. Is she likely to complain even to National Geographic when they come by to do a story?
 
2013-12-22 06:01:12 AM  

casual disregard: FTFA: "Gulen lives in self-imposed exile in Pennsylvania"

Wow! He must really hate himself!


And because this struck a strange chord with me, I looked him up.

Here's the intro on his Wikipedia article:

"Gülen has stated his belief in science, interfaith dialogue among the People of the Book, and multi-party democracy. He has initiated such dialogue with the Vatican and some Jewish organizations"

Not your typical Imam. I can see how such a person could run afoul of the traditionalists and the conservatives of his own world.
 
2013-12-22 06:37:08 AM  
One of the first moves by Istanbul's new police chief, Selami Altinok, was to ban journalists from entering police stations across the country, local media reported on Sunday.     http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/12/22/uk-turkey-corruption-idUKBRE 9 BL03320131222
 
2013-12-22 07:15:38 AM  
The US envoy however denied the media claims and said on Twitter: "The United States has nothing to do with the ongoing corruption investigation".

Of course not.  In America we reward corruption.
 
2013-12-22 08:05:48 AM  
https://twitter.com/EratalaySevinc/status/414736290492321792/photo/1​     Police attack an authorized rally in Kadikoy. This rally had been planned for weeks and had a permit.
 
2013-12-22 08:14:54 AM  
People injured after attacks by police at rally with permit.  https://twitter.com/ikrar69/status/414736181939941376/photo/1
This is happening NOW.
 
2013-12-22 08:32:50 AM  

BolloxReader: Kibbler: OK, so we want to invade, so that means...hmmm...*scanning list*...they can't be white unless...*scanning*...appeasement, aggression, threat to European...*scanning*...right, so they can't be white, confirmed.

But Santa is white and...*scanning*...Anatolia...*scanning*...Turks arrived in 11th century...*scanning*...

Yup, good to go, casus belli confirmed:  Turks made Santa a mulatto.

OPERATION ENDURING SANTA IS IN EFFECT.  THIS IS NOT A DRILL.

Turks are Indo-European and very quick to claim the Euro part. Their ancestors swept east across Anatolia from Europe, settled in Turkmenistan, then swept back west, conquered Anatolia and turned the Arab world on its head by making a secular, highly successful Muslim empire, which persists in slumber until the other Europeans give them permission to take out the Arab nations again to stem the tide of radicalism.

/I think I got that right
//This Erd guy is gonna end up arrested and the military will hold new elections just like always because he is a corrupt Islamist.


The Turkish language probably arose in Central Asia. But that's irrelevant, as far as I'm concerned.  Equally irrelevant whether the Turks, or anyone else, is "white."  Hence the origin of my possibly opaque joke.

Turkey is a very unusual case, unique in fact.  When it suits either side (we real "white" folks or the Turks), they can be "white" and "European" and "civilized" and so on, or they can by "non-white" and "Middle Eastern" and "Moozlim" and so on.  It's been what you might call a double-edged scimitar for Turkey, because they have been able to straddle both worlds to a degree that no other nation can, but they have festering difficulties, like genocidal violence with the Kurds and other groups, and simmering, inevitable resentment against the West, which results in a pull toward Islamism.
 
2013-12-22 09:46:39 AM  
TFA was not nearly as exciting as subby suggested, but it did give us this:

l.yimg.com
I'm sure this will come in handy in future threads.
 
2013-12-22 11:07:33 AM  

gaspode: Aquapope: Coincidentally, I'm watching "The Mouse That Roared" right this very minute.

Turkey has a million men in the military, including reserves, and vast amounts of advanced equipment. They (like everyone else) isnt about to threaten the USA, nor would they ever want to, but sheeh.


Their advanced 1 million strong millitary is no match for an American base on their own farking ground. Submittard told me so! (and other bullshiat).
 
2013-12-22 02:28:26 PM  
 
2013-12-22 05:11:29 PM  
Just another Middle Eastern country that we would be better off leaving to their own devices.
 
2013-12-22 06:13:48 PM  
Subs, are you getting enough ketchup?

Ketchup contains natural mellowing agents that help you take the good with the bad. Or, take the good, and ignore the bad. So you can get on with things. And be productive. Together. For the good of everyone.
 
2013-12-22 07:37:43 PM  

Gyrfalcon: fusillade762: Gyrfalcon: fusillade762: balloot: dericwater: I think the UN should say, "No countries can start a war or initiate any acts of aggression on any other country until and unless said county (the intending-to-be aggressor country) has all its shiat together. That is, very low unemployment, debt-free, trade-positive, democratically elected government leaders, etc."

/So far, probably only the Scandinavian countries, Switzerland and maybe Qatar might qualify.

LOL @  Qatar having "democratically elected government leaders".  Not to mention the whole thing where 75% of their population is made up of indentured servants.

They're foreign workers who make quite a bit more than they would in their home countries (most of them are from India). And the number is closer to 90%. It's the same deal with the UAE.

They make more money but get treated much worse. I'm not sure that's a fair trade, just saying...

The only reason I know anything about it is there's an article in this month's NatGeo magazine. I haven't finished it yet, but the I don't get the impression that the treatment they get is really all that bad. I mean if it was would there be so many of them? It's not like they get sworn to secrecy or anything and can't tell friends and relatives how things are going. Though apparently domestic help like maids and nannies do suffer a range of indignities from their employers and most guest workers try to avoid those positions.

Why would there be so many of them? Fusillade, you're not usually that naive. They're there because, as you say, they make a shiatload of money more than they can in their home countries, for starters. People will put up with all kinds of indignities if it means their loved ones can live in a home with indoor plumbing. For another, in many cases (just like often happens even here in America), they are enticed out of their homelands with promises of legitimate work, and once they get to Qatar or the UAE, they discover that the "contract" ...


Point taken.
 
2013-12-22 09:35:18 PM  
What about Constantinople?
 
2013-12-23 03:15:02 AM  
"From now on, the justice police, who has been reporting only to his prosecutor until today, will be reporting directly to the governor, who is appointed by the government. So, it'll be impossible for a prosecutor to investigate a ruling party politician without the governor's, hence Prime Minister's, approval. "
 
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