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2013-12-21 11:51:25 AM  
Poking the Tea Party is easy for a Jersey guy. Let's see him stick a thumb into the eye of the banks. It would be a first for anybody in high elected office with a -NJ, -NY or -CT suffix.
 
2013-12-21 12:46:18 PM  

Gulper Eel: Poking the Tea Party is easy for a Jersey guy. Let's see him stick a thumb into the eye of the banks. It would be a first for anybody in high elected office with a -NJ, -NY or -CT suffix.


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2013-12-21 01:06:16 PM  
Christie obviously does not want to be president.
 
2013-12-21 01:34:04 PM  
So Chris Christie is Curly Joe?

www.a-1video.com
 
2013-12-21 02:05:25 PM  

FloydA: Christie obviously does not want to be president.


He's young. If the Republicans were smart, he'd be a useful tool to help them put the 'baggers back in line and help restore the party to at least a modicum of sanity. Then he could take a run at 2020. I still think he's a long shot, too much baggage and his NJ attitude will alienate a large swath of the country.
 
2013-12-21 02:13:22 PM  
NJ will pay to subsidize the college tuition of illegal immigrants, but once they graduate, they'll be barred from legally working in NJ.  If they're doing this on the expectation that the Dream Act will pass, that's a fairly big gamble.
 
2013-12-21 02:13:24 PM  

FloydA: Christie obviously does not want to be president.


And Republicans don't want to win the Presidency.
 
2013-12-21 02:13:38 PM  
RINO

/I mean in size, not policy
 
2013-12-21 02:16:07 PM  

grumpfuff: RINO

/I mean in size, not policy


Why not both?
 
2013-12-21 02:29:09 PM  
Despicable.
 
2013-12-21 02:30:52 PM  
F teabaggers, but why are we not dealing with the fact that they are illegal immigrants? Fix that problem and you won't need this legislation.
 
2013-12-21 02:47:24 PM  

Livinglush: F teabaggers, but why are we not dealing with the fact that they are illegal immigrants? Fix that problem and you won't need this legislation.



In other words, F teabaggers, but I agree with them?

Do people tent to squint a lot and look puzzled when you talk to them?
 
2013-12-21 02:53:47 PM  

Dinjiin: NJ will pay to subsidize the college tuition of illegal immigrants, but once they graduate, they'll be barred from legally working in NJ.  If they're doing this on the expectation that the Dream Act will pass, that's a fairly big gamble.


Probably not. Immigration reform is the ideal second term agenda issue, and the lay of the land will be much clearer in 2015.
 
2013-12-21 02:56:22 PM  

John the Magnificent: Livinglush: F teabaggers, but why are we not dealing with the fact that they are illegal immigrants? Fix that problem and you won't need this legislation.


In other words, F teabaggers, but I agree with them?

Do people tent to squint a lot and look puzzled when you talk to them?


Wrong. Teabaggers want to "send them all away" or throw them in jail. I want to stop more from coming in illegally but create paths for people like the guy in this article to become a citizen instead of working around a flawed system.
 
2013-12-21 03:11:45 PM  

Livinglush: John the Magnificent: Livinglush: F teabaggers, but why are we not dealing with the fact that they are illegal immigrants? Fix that problem and you won't need this legislation.


In other words, F teabaggers, but I agree with them?

Do people tent to squint a lot and look puzzled when you talk to them?

Wrong. Teabaggers want to "send them all away" or throw them in jail. I want to stop more from coming in illegally but create paths for people like the guy in this article to become a citizen instead of working around a flawed system.


I agree. It's one thing to go after the adults but another entirely to deport kids that spent the majority of their lives here. They are Americans in all stripes except in terms of what piece of land they were in when they slid out of a coont.

So what if it isn't fair to those that are trying to immigrate legally? Like them getting screwed by the fact that their options are limited by something they have no control over, life is hardly fair. So if finding humanitarian solutions to problems makes life unfair, then suck it up cupcake.
 
2013-12-21 03:29:33 PM  
Did what now?

Democrats agreed to drop the provision that would have made the immigrants eligible for tuition aid, which Christie said would have turned New Jersey into a "magnet" for undocumented immigrants from states that did not offer such a provision.

Christie dropped his demand for a cutoff date under which only immigrants who arrived in the state by 2012 would have been eligible for the tuition break.


So... he came to a political compromise with the dreaded Dems? The horror.

Wonder how far you have to go into the comments section to find someone with a problem with that?

If Edwin Javier was unable to afford Rutgers without in-state tuition, then why didn't Javier just break into Rutgers, start living there, and demand that he be given free stuff?

New Jersey's latest handout to illegals violates Equal Protection. This new handout discriminates against American citizens in favor of foreign nationals that have violated United States law. This is a civil rights matter, and New Jersey needs to be buried in Equal Protection lawsuits.


5, apparently.
 
2013-12-21 03:29:33 PM  

Livinglush: John the Magnificent: Livinglush: F teabaggers, but why are we not dealing with the fact that they are illegal immigrants? Fix that problem and you won't need this legislation.


In other words, F teabaggers, but I agree with them?

Do people tent to squint a lot and look puzzled when you talk to them?

Wrong. Teabaggers want to "send them all away" or throw them in jail. I want to stop more from coming in illegally but create paths for people like the guy in this article to become a citizen instead of working around a flawed system.


Why prevent more from coming?  Just make it possible to come legally.

// A 15 year waiting list is equivalent to impossible.
 
2013-12-21 03:30:31 PM  
I have no problem with immigrants legal or not.  I do have a problem with government funding colleges as it makes tuition go up.   1,120% in 30 years thanks to the government.
 
2013-12-21 03:31:44 PM  

Livinglush: Wrong. Teabaggers want to "send them all away" or throw them in jail. I want to stop more from coming in illegally but create paths for people like the guy in this article to become a citizen instead of working around a flawed system.


So apparently your opinion is based on how long the immigrant managed to evade capture. What period of time would you require them to evade capture before they can start calling themselves "undocumented" and be given citizenship?
 
KIA
2013-12-21 03:33:10 PM  

BMFPitt: Why prevent more from coming?  Just make it possible to come legally.


Over a million people a year are permitted to enter legally after going through background checks, immunization and taking an oath of allegiance.

What are you saying should be done?
 
2013-12-21 03:34:21 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: I do have a problem with government funding colleges as it makes tuition go up.


lol

Yeah, sure. It's the government that takes seven figures for being the Dean.
 
2013-12-21 03:34:21 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: I have no problem with immigrants legal or not.  I do have a problem with government funding colleges as it makes tuition go up.   1,120% in 30 years thanks to the government.


But if they're going to do something bad, the might as well be consistent about it.
 
2013-12-21 03:37:02 PM  

KIA: Over a million people a year are permitted to enter legally after going through background checks, immunization and taking an oath of allegiance.

What are you saying should be done?


Remove all quotas.  Anyone who has a clean criminal record, passes a health inspection and a job offer or 6 months of living expenses in cash gets in.
 
2013-12-21 03:39:34 PM  

Dante87336: So if finding humanitarian solutions to problems makes life unfair, then suck it up cupcake.


When life gets too unfair, you get social unrest.  That's bad.

Many of the people who would qualify for Dreamer status come from economically depressed areas.  So passing the Dream Act would add even more low skilled workers to the economy.  This country is already going through upheaval due to stagnation in the low skill sector of the workforce.  It has had the softest recovery since the economy rebounded.  Add to the problem that unemployment is already high among our youth.  Suddenly adding a million people to this part of the workforce could create as many problems as it hopes to solve.

An alternate solution might be to hook these folks up with American companies that want to do work in their country of birth, get them educated and do a soft reintegration.
 
2013-12-21 04:07:37 PM  

Dinjiin: Dante87336: So if finding humanitarian solutions to problems makes life unfair, then suck it up cupcake.

When life gets too unfair, you get social unrest.  That's bad.

Many of the people who would qualify for Dreamer status come from economically depressed areas.  So passing the Dream Act would add even more low skilled workers to the economy.  This country is already going through upheaval due to stagnation in the low skill sector of the workforce.  It has had the softest recovery since the economy rebounded.  Add to the problem that unemployment is already high among our youth.  Suddenly adding a million people to this part of the workforce could create as many problems as it hopes to solve.



Your argument is backwards.  The people who would be eligible for the Dream Act are already here, working in unskilled labor.  Making it easier for those who want it to get into college would take laborers  out of the unskilled labor market.   The Dream Act won't make people suddenly materialize out of thin air.  The people who will be affected by this act are already here.
 
2013-12-21 04:15:03 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: I have no problem with immigrants legal or not.  I do have a problem with government funding colleges as it makes tuition go up.   1,120% in 30 years thanks to the government.


You know, some people would be embarrassed to be so stupid in public. But no, you herp the derp proudly!
 
2013-12-21 04:32:46 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: I have no problem with immigrants legal or not.  I do have a problem with government funding colleges as it makes tuition go up.   1,120% in 30 years thanks to the government.


Good thinking.  All those government-run schools like Harvard and Stanford must lower their tuition.
 
2013-12-21 04:42:27 PM  
They are not undocumented immigrants any more than squatters are non-paying renters.

They are here illegally, rightly or wrongly.
 
2013-12-21 05:09:39 PM  

ghare: bigsteve3OOO: I have no problem with immigrants legal or not.  I do have a problem with government funding colleges as it makes tuition go up.   1,120% in 30 years thanks to the government.

You know, some people would be embarrassed to be so stupid in public. But no, you herp the derp proudly!


I thought the issue was the government providing guaranteed loans that are impossible to get out from even with bankruptcy.  So students are almost always going to be able to get tuition money, so the schools can jack up the price and have new student condos and useless campus life crap to entice more students because they are going to get the money guaranteed.
 
2013-12-21 05:15:36 PM  
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2013-12-21 05:27:52 PM  

turtle553: ghare: bigsteve3OOO: I have no problem with immigrants legal or not.  I do have a problem with government funding colleges as it makes tuition go up.   1,120% in 30 years thanks to the government.

You know, some people would be embarrassed to be so stupid in public. But no, you herp the derp proudly!

I thought the issue was the government providing guaranteed loans that are impossible to get out from even with bankruptcy.  So students are almost always going to be able to get tuition money, so the schools can jack up the price and have new student condos and useless campus life crap to entice more students because they are going to get the money guaranteed.



You're correct.
 
2013-12-21 05:45:58 PM  

turtle553: ghare: bigsteve3OOO: I have no problem with immigrants legal or not.  I do have a problem with government funding colleges as it makes tuition go up.   1,120% in 30 years thanks to the government.

You know, some people would be embarrassed to be so stupid in public. But no, you herp the derp proudly!

I thought the issue was the government providing guaranteed loans that are impossible to get out from even with bankruptcy.  So students are almost always going to be able to get tuition money, so the schools can jack up the price and have new student condos and useless campus life crap to entice more students because they are going to get the money guaranteed.


Like I've said before, allow them to be discharged in bankruptcy and make Hollywood Upstairs College or wherever liable for the remaining balance. Problem solves itself.
 
2013-12-21 05:57:43 PM  

FloydA: Your argument is backwards. The people who would be eligible for the Dream Act are already here, working in unskilled labor. Making it easier for those who want it to get into college would take laborers out of the unskilled labor market. The Dream Act won't make people suddenly materialize out of thin air. The people who will be affected by this act are already here.


Large numbers of people eligible for the Dream Act are either unemployed or are working part time jobs under the table.  As a whole, they are not a major part of the workforce.  I've heard estimates that less than half of them are working full time jobs.

As for education, numerous studies have shown that only a minority of people in any economic class ever achieve the American dream of upward mobility into the next higher social class.  It is a case of using the brightest and most charismatic people of the Dreamer group and using them as an example for them all.

My concern is that amnesty just helps breed perpetual poverty.  While some people who would qualify for the Dream Act might be able to do something great with their lives, I suspect that many more will not make it.  They will just add to the problem of wage stagnation and will strain limited social safety net budgets.

If this was a country that had more drive and a greater number of programs to push for education and equality for all, so that we didn't have massive pockets of poverty, then maybe one could argue that we could better absorb these people.  But we're not.  The haves are making sure that the have-nots stay that way.  So we have an obligation to spend our limited resources helping our own, to try and break the cycles of poverty, and not trying to help the world.  This just seems like a wet dream for business that profits off of the back of cheap labor.

And going on a tangent, but it isn't the United State's responsibility to provide a life for those negatively affected by Mexico's caste system.  Maybe if these people took their American values back home and fought for racial equality and fought against corruption, Mexico could be a better place.
 
2013-12-21 06:44:48 PM  

one of Ripley's Bad Guys: They are not undocumented immigrants any more than squatters are non-paying renters.

They are here illegally, rightly or wrongly.


Even for legal aliens, getting permanent residency in the US is a tremendous PITA and takes many years
 
2013-12-21 07:17:14 PM  

Chagrin: Livinglush: Wrong. Teabaggers want to "send them all away" or throw them in jail. I want to stop more from coming in illegally but create paths for people like the guy in this article to become a citizen instead of working around a flawed system.

So apparently your opinion is based on how long the immigrant managed to evade capture. What period of time would you require them to evade capture before they can start calling themselves "undocumented" and be given citizenship?


The statute for adverse possession of real property. varies from five to 20 years, depending on the state. That might be a place to start for people.
 
2013-12-21 08:30:33 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Chagrin: Livinglush: Wrong. Teabaggers want to "send them all away" or throw them in jail. I want to stop more from coming in illegally but create paths for people like the guy in this article to become a citizen instead of working around a flawed system.

So apparently your opinion is based on how long the immigrant managed to evade capture. What period of time would you require them to evade capture before they can start calling themselves "undocumented" and be given citizenship?

The statute for adverse possession of real property. varies from five to 20 years, depending on the state. That might be a place to start for people.


The adverse possession is a good idea. Or a graduated system of reparations based on a variety of factors. Brought here as a child? Pay a small fine and get a green card. Worked here for years, own a business or a house? Pay a bigger fine and get a green card. Get caught within months? Get sent back.

We do it with all crimes. The punishment for running a stop sign is different from murder. Adjust as needed.

We could reduce the number of illegal immigrants by speeding up the immigration process for legal immigrants. Our crappy economy is helping too, although, the collateral damage is pretty bad.

And maybe we could vote some people off the island and deport complete wastes of oxygen like Paris Hilton or the Kardashians.
 
2013-12-21 09:27:24 PM  

themindiswatching: turtle553: ghare: bigsteve3OOO: I have no problem with immigrants legal or not.  I do have a problem with government funding colleges as it makes tuition go up.   1,120% in 30 years thanks to the government.

You know, some people would be embarrassed to be so stupid in public. But no, you herp the derp proudly!

I thought the issue was the government providing guaranteed loans that are impossible to get out from even with bankruptcy.  So students are almost always going to be able to get tuition money, so the schools can jack up the price and have new student condos and useless campus life crap to entice more students because they are going to get the money guaranteed.

Like I've said before, allow them to be discharged in bankruptcy and make Hollywood Upstairs College or wherever liable for the remaining balance. Problem solves itself.


I'll agree to this if we can punish those who seek educational bankruptcy more harshly than we do others. Many consider college to be an investment in their future earnings, unlike medical bankruptcy which just plain sucks.
 
2013-12-21 09:32:27 PM  

turtle553: I thought the issue was the government providing guaranteed loans that are impossible to get out from even with bankruptcy. So students are almost always going to be able to get tuition money, so the schools can jack up the price and have new student condos and useless campus life crap to entice more students because they are going to get the money guaranteed.


Adjusted for inflation, college costs per student are about the same as they were 40 years ago. What has changed is the amount of state funding, which used to comprise up to 80% of the price tag. As the "Don't Tax Me" attitudes keep cutting, wait for it, taxes, state funding has dried up, leaving most of the cost passed directly to the student. You'd be right in saying availability of loans hasn't helped, but you'd be wrong is saying it's the cause.
 
2013-12-21 10:41:34 PM  

Sergeant Grumbles: turtle553: I thought the issue was the government providing guaranteed loans that are impossible to get out from even with bankruptcy. So students are almost always going to be able to get tuition money, so the schools can jack up the price and have new student condos and useless campus life crap to entice more students because they are going to get the money guaranteed.

Adjusted for inflation, college costs per student are about the same as they were 40 years ago. What has changed is the amount of state funding, which used to comprise up to 80% of the price tag. As the "Don't Tax Me" attitudes keep cutting, wait for it, taxes, state funding has dried up, leaving most of the cost passed directly to the student. You'd be right in saying availability of loans hasn't helped, but you'd be wrong is saying it's the cause.


Source on that? It sounds interesting and Ive never heard it before.
 
2013-12-21 11:27:02 PM  
Christie: you are better off being a fence-hopper than a Pennsylvanian.
 
2013-12-21 11:49:28 PM  

Summercat: Source on that? It sounds interesting and Ive never heard it before.


http://www.demos.org/publication/great-cost-shift-how-higher-educati on -cuts-undermine-future-middle-class 
I had a much better source, but currently can't find it. It noted that charts and such showing tuition increases at public schools, even in adjusted dollars, don't tell the entire story, because much of what went into public universities was funded by the state and didn't count or wasn't included in the cost per student. But funding has been continuously cut, especially since the recession, and 2011 saw public schools take in more money from students paying tuition than they did any other source. They might as well be private at that point.

There's the "Bennett Hypothesis" which is the axiom that tuition rises right along with aid, so you might look for more information based on supporting or refuting it.
 
2013-12-22 12:04:29 AM  

LemSkroob: Christie: you are better off being a fence-hopper than a Pennsylvanian.


Yeah because if you have to go to NJ for an education, your are farked...
 
2013-12-22 12:28:11 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: bigsteve3OOO: I do have a problem with government funding colleges as it makes tuition go up.

lol

Yeah, sure. It's the government that takes seven figures for being the Dean head football coach.


FTFY.
 
2013-12-22 12:28:59 AM  
It's obvious, Gov. Rino isn't going to run for prez.
 
2013-12-22 01:29:30 AM  

LadySusan: Gyrfalcon: Chagrin: Livinglush: Wrong. Teabaggers want to "send them all away" or throw them in jail. I want to stop more from coming in illegally but create paths for people like the guy in this article to become a citizen instead of working around a flawed system.

So apparently your opinion is based on how long the immigrant managed to evade capture. What period of time would you require them to evade capture before they can start calling themselves "undocumented" and be given citizenship?

The statute for adverse possession of real property. varies from five to 20 years, depending on the state. That might be a place to start for people.

The adverse possession is a good idea. Or a graduated system of reparations based on a variety of factors. Brought here as a child? Pay a small fine and get a green card. Worked here for years, own a business or a house? Pay a bigger fine and get a green card. Get caught within months? Get sent back.

We do it with all crimes. The punishment for running a stop sign is different from murder. Adjust as needed.

We could reduce the number of illegal immigrants by speeding up the immigration process for legal immigrants. Our crappy economy is helping too, although, the collateral damage is pretty bad.

And maybe we could vote some people off the island and deport complete wastes of oxygen like Paris Hilton or the Kardashians.


I'm behind that. My mom has kicked around an idea that any undocumented immigrant who has been here a certain number of years, but has maintained stable employment, no arrest record or serious run-ins with the law (as you say, a traffic ticket is not the same as murder), stable residence, etc., ought to be fast-tracked into citizenship. Clearly these are the people we want to keep in America. There was a guy I helped with a guardianship who was undocumented, but he'd been in America for over 20 years (came in as a small child), was working as a construction laborer and keeping his own three kids and trying to get legal guardianship of his ex-girlfriend's son who was not his biological child but who he'd raised as his own for nine years. Only brush with the law was a DUI when he was 20. There's no reason a guy like that should always have to be looking over his shoulder, worried about being deported.
 
2013-12-22 02:05:13 AM  

Phil McKraken: themindiswatching: turtle553: ghare: bigsteve3OOO: I have no problem with immigrants legal or not.  I do have a problem with government funding colleges as it makes tuition go up.   1,120% in 30 years thanks to the government.

You know, some people would be embarrassed to be so stupid in public. But no, you herp the derp proudly!

I thought the issue was the government providing guaranteed loans that are impossible to get out from even with bankruptcy.  So students are almost always going to be able to get tuition money, so the schools can jack up the price and have new student condos and useless campus life crap to entice more students because they are going to get the money guaranteed.

Like I've said before, allow them to be discharged in bankruptcy and make Hollywood Upstairs College or wherever liable for the remaining balance. Problem solves itself.

I'll agree to this if we can punish those who seek educational bankruptcy more harshly than we do others. Many consider college to be an investment in their future earnings, unlike medical bankruptcy which just plain sucks.


Education is unlike most other commodities. It is the only thing that I know of which can be bought due to misrepresentation or even outright deceit with no recourse for the buyer.

And I know that to my generation the advantages and benefits of "getting a degree, any degree" (which is what my entire peer group was taught) were massively misrepresented, as were alternatives such as the trades.
 
2013-12-22 02:11:16 AM  
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"I EAT YOUR DANISH! I EAT IT UP!"
 
2013-12-22 02:29:46 AM  

Piizzadude: LemSkroob: Christie: you are better off being a fence-hopper than a Pennsylvanian.

Yeah because if you have to go to NJ for an education, your are farked...


Lolwut?

media-1.web.britannica.com
 
2013-12-22 03:09:58 AM  

grumpfuff: RINO

/I mean in size, not policy


I like him.  We may finally be able to break the Taft Barrier.
 
2013-12-22 05:59:47 AM  

mcmnky: Piizzadude: LemSkroob: Christie: you are better off being a fence-hopper than a Pennsylvanian.

Yeah because if you have to go to NJ for an education, your are farked...

Lolwut?

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He was educated in Germany.
 
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