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(Mother Jones)   Some people seem to think meat should be taxed at a higher rate to combat global warming. Subby on the other hand thinks it's not warm enough yet to pry his steak knife from his cold dead hands   (motherjones.com) divider line 148
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2013-12-21 11:01:02 AM
Tax soy-based meat products to punish those who lack the courage of their convictions.
 
2013-12-21 11:11:58 AM
Hitler was a vegetarian. I'm not saying that vegetarianism caused the Holocaust but, y'know, I'm not saying it didn't either.
 
2013-12-21 11:36:53 AM
Makes sense. The meat industry is unsustainable.
 
2013-12-21 12:45:18 PM
It is all about the money.
So far, the only correct future predictions are financial.
 
2013-12-21 01:11:38 PM
Some people are assholes.
 
2013-12-21 01:14:16 PM

vudukungfu: Some people are assholes.


and they eat chitlins
 
2013-12-21 01:16:25 PM
Just implement a loophole-free carbon tax. Problem solved. None of this bullshiat about favoring certain polluters over others.
 
2013-12-21 01:17:50 PM
If you taxed meat to pay for green investments like high-speed rail, I'd be all for it. And I probably eat more meat than anyone I know.
 
2013-12-21 01:19:50 PM
I'll gladly pay a tax to create a law enforcement division that'll shoot any econut who uses more than their own carbon footprint. Advocate against nukes, oil, coal, meat, logging, etc well it's only fair you be forced to live to your own standards.
 
2013-12-21 01:20:54 PM
Several groups are working on the whole "vat-grown meat" idea. There has been significant progress made since vegetarians lack the energy and muscle needed to hump at a rate that will sustain the species. Yes, I'm joking... mostly. The human body processes the proteins found in animals and vegetables differently. Amino acids primarily found in meat and especially animal fat are natural testosterone boosters and fat is needed to rebuild muscle after strenuous physical activity. So ladies, if you want your man to screw like a cave man cook him up a nice rare steak.
 
2013-12-21 01:21:18 PM
If that's the case, why don't we rid society of these spewers of hot air and CO2?

Win win.

When it comes down to it, our problem is over population.

Sure, cut CO2 emissions.  When we have the technology to replace it without sacrifice.

That's part of why the alarmist movement is so akin to religion, it seeks sacrifice from, and control of, others.  Puritanical at it's very core.
 
m00
2013-12-21 01:21:50 PM
I'm a meat eater, but yes. The cost of meat does not reflect the damage clear-cutting for pastures and filling-in swampland causes to the environment. It also doesn't reflect the inefficient use of the land.

The problem can be expressed in the following way:

Person A is poor, he needs 1u every day to live.
Person B is middle-class, his lifestyle costs 5u every day
Person C is rich, his luxury costs 10,000u a day and he throws away most of it.

A new resource is discovered, its output is 10,006u / day. Who gets it? It all goes to Person C.
 
m00
2013-12-21 01:23:09 PM

omeganuepsilon: When it comes down to it, our problem is over population.


No, the problem is over distribution of finite resources over that population.
 
2013-12-21 01:23:36 PM
We all need to whyte checks to Fadder Oombama and the gubmint.  They'll fix it -- just like healthcare!
 
2013-12-21 01:23:36 PM
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false face for the urge to rule it." - H.L. Mencken
 
2013-12-21 01:24:00 PM

Mrbogey: I'll gladly pay a tax to create a law enforcement division that'll shoot any econut who uses more than their own carbon footprint. Advocate against nukes, oil, coal, meat, logging, etc well it's only fair you be forced to live to your own standards.


I much prefer greenwashing measures to assuage my guilt.
 
2013-12-21 01:24:02 PM
I would be curious how the meat tax would actually be spent once collected.  I might support a general meat tax because of the abuse of antibiotics and rise of resistant infectious bacterial strains because of it.
 
2013-12-21 01:26:46 PM
Mother Jones?  I'm not giving them any clicks!!!!
 
2013-12-21 01:27:22 PM

omeganuepsilon: If that's the case, why don't we rid society of these spewers of hot air and CO2?

Win win.

When it comes down to it, our problem is over population.

Sure, cut CO2 emissions.  When we have the technology to replace it without sacrifice.

That's part of why the alarmist movement is so akin to religion, it seeks sacrifice from, and control of, others.  Puritanical at it's very core.


This.  Some of the climate change advocates bring a zealotry and fire to their discussion whether they have evidence or not that would make fundamentalist preachers blush.

LargeCanine: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false face for the urge to rule it." - H.L. Mencken


QFT and saved for later repetition.
 
2013-12-21 01:28:41 PM
Meanwhile 2013 marks the 17th year without global warming.

1) Studies show that the world was warmer than it is today during the Roman Empire and when the Vikings were plundering Europe and North America. In fact, even in the 19th Century, there were discussions surrounding the fact that the Vikings could settle the northernmost reaches of Greenland and North America because there was less ice coverage.

2) During the second week in December, the U.S. saw more than 2000 record low temperatures and record snowfalls, according to the National Weather Service and HamWeather records center. There were 606 record low temperatures, 1,234 low maximum temperatures and 285 record snowfalls across the country. In the meantime there were only 98 high temperature records and 141 high minimum temperature records.

3) Satellite data shows that the polar bears have at least one reason to be happy this year - Arctic sea ice coverage was up 50 percent over last year's record low coverage. Contrary to Al Gore's prediction that there would be no polar ice cap by this year, sea ice coverage spanned nearly 2,100 cubic miles by the end of this year's melting season, up from about 1,400 cubic last year.

4) Global cooling is on the way, according to an increasing number of scientists. German scientists have predicted that based on declining sunspot activity and natural climate oscillation the world will cool over the next century. Temperatures will eventually drop to levels corresponding with the "little ice age" of 1870.

5) Other scientists have also been coming around to the global cooling side of things. The BBC reported that Professor Mike Lockwood of the Reading University predicts that at the current rate of decline in solar activity, another "Little Ice Age" could envelope Northern Europe.

Link
 
2013-12-21 01:29:06 PM
What you Luddites forget is that technology gets better. Always, all the time, and all technologies get better at the same rate. For example, hard drives got better, so every other technology scales at the same 1000X every ten years. Duh.

We'll be 3D printing meat in space and have orbit-to-door drones deliver bacon breakfasts every day.

So I'm not worried. There is no problem, don't change your habits, don't try a new social order, just laissez-faire.
 
2013-12-21 01:30:36 PM
Some people advocate slaughtering 80% of all humans for the good of the planet, too.
 
2013-12-21 01:30:49 PM
Jesus, you libs need to lay off the farking taxes. Want higher taxes, vote in a democrat.

Guess it doesn't matter when most of you don't pay taxes anyway.
 
2013-12-21 01:31:18 PM

libranoelrose: vudukungfu: Some people are assholes.

and they eat chitlins


You are what you eat.
 
2013-12-21 01:32:04 PM
Let's stave poor people so those of us that can afford to over-consume are able to continue to do so....great idea....not helping.....
 
2013-12-21 01:32:22 PM
I didn't realize we could stop global warming by firing cannons full of tax proceeds into the sky.
 
2013-12-21 01:33:42 PM
Don't we heavily subsidize meat production already? There isn't much point in using tax money to help people make something and then tax people who buy it.
 
2013-12-21 01:34:35 PM
Everyone wants someone else to do something about global warming, as long as it doesn't inconvenience their own personal lifestyle.  Other than that, it's a fun talking point to demonize people you already decided you don't like.
 
2013-12-21 01:36:17 PM
I want to know where these forests are in America that we are clear cutting for more cattle land.  I've driven all over the western states.  Millions of square miles for cattle grazing, and only about 1% of it had cattle on it.  So much empty land.  Makes you want to punch a WE ARE OVERPOPULATED person in the face.

Holy shiat.,... did we already cut down all those forests in Nebraska and Wyoming????
 
2013-12-21 01:36:57 PM
I think we should retroactively tax all global warming predictions that have not and will not come true.
 
2013-12-21 01:38:24 PM
I'd be all for it as long as the tax money went towards abating climate change, but it seems like it never works out that way.
 
2013-12-21 01:41:28 PM
This idea is as outrageous as the idea of taxing gasoline to reduce its consumption, and to help pay for the externalized costs of what is consumed!
 
2013-12-21 01:42:41 PM
Dear Subby,

Tax meat is not the same as taking away your meat. For example, I like wine. Wine is taxed. I still drink wine. Stop believing people who sax taxes equal theft. Those people are dumb.

Hugs and kisses,

Me
 
2013-12-21 01:42:55 PM
It makes some sense. We pour energy into growing veggies, then we feed the veggies to the animals, then we eat the animals. I realize those animals are delicious, but I recently found a huge love for veggies.

fark fruits, though. You sugar-loaded plant-ovaries.
 
2013-12-21 01:43:18 PM

hasty ambush: Meanwhile 2013 marks the 17th year without global warming.

1) Studies show that the world was warmer than it is today during the Roman Empire and when the Vikings were plundering Europe and North America. In fact, even in the 19th Century, there were discussions surrounding the fact that the Vikings could settle the northernmost reaches of Greenland and North America because there was less ice coverage.

2) During the second week in December, the U.S. saw more than 2000 record low temperatures and record snowfalls, according to the National Weather Service and HamWeather records center. There were 606 record low temperatures, 1,234 low maximum temperatures and 285 record snowfalls across the country. In the meantime there were only 98 high temperature records and 141 high minimum temperature records.

3) Satellite data shows that the polar bears have at least one reason to be happy this year - Arctic sea ice coverage was up 50 percent over last year's record low coverage. Contrary to Al Gore's prediction that there would be no polar ice cap by this year, sea ice coverage spanned nearly 2,100 cubic miles by the end of this year's melting season, up from about 1,400 cubic last year.

4) Global cooling is on the way, according to an increasing number of scientists. German scientists have predicted that based on declining sunspot activity and natural climate oscillation the world will cool over the next century. Temperatures will eventually drop to levels corresponding with the "little ice age" of 1870.

5) Other scientists have also been coming around to the global cooling side of things. The BBC reported that Professor Mike Lockwood of the Reading University predicts that at the current rate of decline in solar activity, another "Little Ice Age" could envelope Northern Europe.

Link


Because when I think good representation and accurate presentation of science, I think the Daily Caller. They're slightly better than the Daily Fail, so I have to go with them.
 
2013-12-21 01:43:23 PM

odinsposse: Don't we heavily subsidize meat production already? There isn't much point in using tax money to help people make something and then tax people who buy it.


yeah, just reduce subsidies

/... and good luck with that
 
2013-12-21 01:43:31 PM
pasture fed meet (beef, pork or chicken) is actually very "green" and when done properly doesn't damage the environment.

What damages the environment is 10,000 acre monocultures...trucking grain 1000 km across the country to force feed cattle in concrete pens.

Read anything by Joel Salatin...raises lots of animals...takes NO government subsidies and grosses $2M / year on his farm. No chemical pesticides or fertilizers. No manure pond, no outside inputs of grain, no downwind stench for the neighbors to complain about.

Its the scientific 'old school' way of raising animals and it works.

Instead of taxing it....just stop subsidizing industrial agriculture.
 
2013-12-21 01:44:01 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: What you Luddites forget is that technology gets better. Always, all the time, and all technologies get better at the same rate. For example, hard drives got better, so every other technology scales at the same 1000X every ten years. Duh.

We'll be 3D printing meat in space and have orbit-to-door drones deliver bacon breakfasts every day.

So I'm not worried. There is no problem, don't change your habits, don't try a new social order, just laissez-faire.


If we keep polluting this planet all to hell, we'll need to develop interstellar travel to find & colonize other worlds that can sustain human life.

Then we'll make that on uninhabitable, too.
 
2013-12-21 01:44:09 PM

GORDON: I want to know where these forests are in America that we are clear cutting for more cattle land.  I've driven all over the western states.  Millions of square miles for cattle grazing, and only about 1% of it had cattle on it.  So much empty land.  Makes you want to punch a WE ARE OVERPOPULATED person in the face.

Holy shiat.,... did we already cut down all those forests in Nebraska and Wyoming????


Let me introduce you to the Brazilian rainforests in South  America.
 
2013-12-21 01:44:47 PM
What ever happened to the notion that taxes are to fund the government and not coerce behavior?
 
2013-12-21 01:47:36 PM

DarwiOdrade: GORDON: I want to know where these forests are in America that we are clear cutting for more cattle land.  I've driven all over the western states.  Millions of square miles for cattle grazing, and only about 1% of it had cattle on it.  So much empty land.  Makes you want to punch a WE ARE OVERPOPULATED person in the face.

Holy shiat.,... did we already cut down all those forests in Nebraska and Wyoming????

Let me introduce you to the Brazilian rainforests in South  America.


25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-12-21 01:47:46 PM

Dr Jack Badofsky: I'd be all for it as long as the tax money went towards abating climate change, but it seems like it never works out that way.


Remember how the tobacco settlements were to be used for smoking cessation programs and health care for smokers?

Never get between a politician and a pot of money.
 
2013-12-21 01:48:16 PM
DeaH: Dear Subby,

TaxING meat is not the same as taking away your meat. For example, I like wine. Wine is taxed. I still drink wine. Stop believing people who sax taxes equal theft. Those people are dumb.

Hugs and kisses,

Me

/FTFM
 
2013-12-21 01:48:38 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: What you Luddites forget is that technology gets better. Always, all the time, and all technologies get better at the same rate. For example, hard drives got better, so every other technology scales at the same 1000X every ten years. Duh.

We'll be 3D printing meat in space and have orbit-to-door drones deliver bacon breakfasts every day.

So I'm not worried. There is no problem, don't change your habits, don't try a new social order, just laissez-faire.


Don't be fretting yourself.
Nanny has a new, shiney social order already in the works.
 
2013-12-21 01:49:01 PM

DeaH: Tax meat is not the same as taking away your meat. For example, I like wine. Wine is taxed. I still drink wine. Stop believing people who sax taxes equal theft.


Nice non sequitur argument.

A tax on something to the point where it becomes out of budget for many people, deliberately, is an injustice. You're denying someone a choice in one of the most cowardly ways possible.
 
2013-12-21 01:49:06 PM

odinsposse: Don't we heavily subsidize meat production already? There isn't much point in using tax money to help people make something and then tax people who buy it.


Excellent point.  Just remove the meat subsidies for starters.  Meat is far more heavily subsidized than vegetable produce, nuts and legumes, etc.   Meat gets 63% of all tax dollars.  Vegetables get 1%.    http://www.pcrm.org/search/?cid=2586

I wouldn't mind at all seeing the price of a cheeseburger triple, and it would probably ease the healthcare burden quite a bit.  (See nearby thread on the longer lives of recent immigrants who don't live on McD's)

Several social problems with one stone, while lowering taxes by billions, rather than increasing them.
 
2013-12-21 01:49:55 PM

jjorsett: What ever happened to the notion that taxes are to fund the government and not coerce behavior?


Long, long dead.
 
2013-12-21 01:52:30 PM
ITT:  Further evidence that there is an awful lot of overlap between climate truthers and people who believe dinosaur bones were planted by the devil to test our faith.....
 
2013-12-21 01:53:58 PM
 
m00
2013-12-21 01:54:40 PM

udhq: ITT:  Further evidence that there is an awful lot of overlap between climate truthers and people who believe dinosaur bones were planted by the devil to test our faith.....


???
 
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