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2013-12-21 08:16:33 PM  

Nemo's Brother: doczoidberg: My place is smaller than 300 square feet, and I love it.

Then again, I'm an alcoholic loser who plans to never date again., so...there's that.

Drew should buy a huge building full of these micro-apartments for all the Total Farkers to move into.


Seattle did something like that for their worst street drunks. Free room, and they could drink in it if they wanted - no strings. Has saved a bundle of money since instead of twenty ambulance pickups all over town and associated police time, they just send a scheduled ambulance to the residence house a few times a day.

And it has actually helped a few helpless cases get sober.

Of course, the 'moral hazard' folks are aghast at the handout, but fark 'em. It saves money and keeps the most belligerent lost causes from pissing in shops and clogging e-rooms and holding cells. Being compassionate to those drinking themselves to death is just a side effect.
 
2013-12-21 08:25:55 PM  

Ima4nic8or: I classify this one under "no shiat, Sherlock".  Human beings are not rats.  They don't belong crammed together.  If I had my way there would be a rule that apartments must be a minimum of  1500 sq ft and single family homes a minimum of 2000k with at least 1 acre of land.


You'd need to kill off about 5 billion people to make that happen. You could start with me. Not because I agree with you about space, even as a hermit with a empty life I still feel a need to have lots of people around that I'm too bitter to speak to, but because there are three months of winter coming and I'm fed up with darkness and cold already. Of course you could take up a collection to ship me off to Hawaii so I'd quit posting long irrelevant exhibitins of drivel, but it seems like I'd have a better shot at getting somebod to hunt me down and snuff me.

But anyway. We're a social species: it's not population density as much as how we train ourselves to get along with one another. We'd do fine with a couple dozen big population centers, a few big regions of naturally fertile farmland tended by villagers who'd rather have peace quiet, and huge tracts of wilderness. Tie the important parts together with railroads, farmlands with city markets, but to get to the Grand Canyon ya gotta ride a mule or even freaking WALK.
 
2013-12-21 08:26:55 PM  

Nemo's Brother: doczoidberg: My place is smaller than 300 square feet, and I love it.

Then again, I'm an alcoholic loser who plans to never date again., so...there's that.

Drew should buy a huge building full of these micro-apartments for all the Total Farkers to move into.


Then we can surround it with a big wall and keep them in there away from normal people.
 
2013-12-21 08:37:27 PM  

spaten: NYC problems, cry me a river.

My noisiest neighbor.

[encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 181x278]

My neighbors are a still a bit close.

[encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 275x183]



*Opens back door and waves*

/we're visiting my in-laws
//impromptu Fark party?
 
2013-12-21 08:53:47 PM  
Micro apts have a place in the future
9,600,000,000 acres = 1/2 earth surface = No. of potentially human-mammal inhabitable acres on earth.

A min lot size of 3/4 acre for singles, 1 acre for couples. 2 acres for families.
Families are a high privilege and must be prepared for by 5 yrs training as defined by the Galactic Commissioner. Genetic screening to Galactic standards is required.

Large sized fenced off wildlife corridors, connecting very large wild parks where no humans are allowed.
human travel limited to barest necessity.

land may not be sold, only traded under strict limitations, not accumulated.
Every person and Animal has irrevocable Life Lease on the earth
Waste, nuisance, crime, delinquency, turpitude, will mean confinement in a zoo. [micro apts]

earth's human population to be limited to 1 billion.
95% agrarian, no cars, no air travel, no import export
N.o  S.p.a.c.e. T.r.a.v.e.l, not even a balloon.
all work & most industry done small scale and in villages.
use of metal and chemicals extremely restricted.

Law book very simple, inflexible, like 10 simple rules, no lawyers, sales persons, hucksters.
No Money, no taxes, no rent, No War, no fighting, no hunting, no fishing, no weapons.
Most needs 99%  handled onsite, W,S,G, elect. and nearly all food.
Small village govt, industry, basic utilities, and schools.
Small villages answer to the Terrestrial King, who answers to Galactic Conservator.

 H. Sapiens to be evolved as fur bearing., all corpses must be surrendered to the Commissioner and his agent, The King.

This is appx what will happen if H. Sapiens can not self govern.

It has already been determined that H. Sapiens can not self govern.
 The rest is, as they say here
History
 
2013-12-21 08:55:12 PM  

The One True TheDavid: Nemo's Brother: doczoidberg: My place is smaller than 300 square feet, and I love it.

Then again, I'm an alcoholic loser who plans to never date again., so...there's that.

Drew should buy a huge building full of these micro-apartments for all the Total Farkers to move into.

Then we can surround it with a big wall and keep them in there away from normal people.


I'd like to request one in Canada please. I only go from my bed>bathroom>kitchen>computer>bed anyways, I don't really need much room.
 
2013-12-21 08:56:18 PM  

CowardlyLion: When the fark did some douche decide to start calling studios "micro-apartments"?


"Micro-apartments": This word brought to you by the real estate developers of America.
 
2013-12-21 09:30:00 PM  

eq2imora: Those of you ratting on the Agenda 21 arguments obviously haven't actually *seen* Agenda 21.

Or been in Northern California north of Sac where they're trying to shove everyone off farms and out of rural areas by making it so expensive to live there. Yet won't let anyone develop on the coast because "omg scenery".

I live in a 384sq ft apartment with my SO and a small dog. It's too damned small, there's no storage space for anything anywhere, and to all you people who say "go out", go WHERE? Gas is expensive here in California, doing anything costs money that we don't have to spend, and sitting on the internet is a heck of a lot more entertaining than associating with the hippy/yuppie hipsters and foodies out here.


This.

 You can't even go to the parks anymore without having to buy a pass. Day at the lake? Pfft, yeah right.

/ I don't want to have to buy a drink every time I want to sit down and read a book.
 
2013-12-21 09:35:23 PM  

JSTACAT: Micro apts have a place in the future
9,600,000,000 acres = 1/2 earth surface = No. of potentially human-mammal inhabitable acres on earth.

A min lot size of 3/4 acre for singles, 1 acre for couples. 2 acres for families.
Families are a high privilege and must be prepared for by 5 yrs training as defined by the Galactic Commissioner. Genetic screening to Galactic standards is required.

Large sized fenced off wildlife corridors, connecting very large wild parks where no humans are allowed.
human travel limited to barest necessity.

land may not be sold, only traded under strict limitations, not accumulated.
Every person and Animal has irrevocable Life Lease on the earth
Waste, nuisance, crime, delinquency, turpitude, will mean confinement in a zoo. [micro apts]

earth's human population to be limited to 1 billion.
95% agrarian, no cars, no air travel, no import export
N.o  S.p.a.c.e. T.r.a.v.e.l, not even a balloon.
all work & most industry done small scale and in villages.
use of metal and chemicals extremely restricted.

Law book very simple, inflexible, like 10 simple rules, no lawyers, sales persons, hucksters.
No Money, no taxes, no rent, No War, no fighting, no hunting, no fishing, no weapons.
Most needs 99%  handled onsite, W,S,G, elect. and nearly all food.
Small village govt, industry, basic utilities, and schools.
Small villages answer to the Terrestrial King, who answers to Galactic Conservator.

 H. Sapiens to be evolved as fur bearing., all corpses must be surrendered to the Commissioner and his agent, The King.

This is appx what will happen if H. Sapiens can not self govern.

It has already been determined that H. Sapiens can not self govern.
 The rest is, as they say here
History


May I too partake in what ever it is you are smoking?
 
2013-12-21 09:47:14 PM  

Nick Nostril: I have the Midwestern suburban version of this. 5 people crammed into 1800 sq ft house. Our friends live in 3500sf+ mcmansions.


O.o
 
2013-12-21 09:54:10 PM  

CowardlyLion: When the fark did some douche decide to start calling studios "micro-apartments"?


Probably because these high-rise peasant huts are too small for them to be legally called "studio apartments"
 
2013-12-21 09:57:26 PM  

eq2imora: Those of you ratting on the Agenda 21 arguments obviously haven't actually *seen* Agenda 21.

Or been in Northern California north of Sac where they're trying to shove everyone off farms and out of rural areas by making it so expensive to live there. Yet won't let anyone develop on the coast because "omg scenery".

I live in a 384sq ft apartment with my SO and a small dog. It's too damned small, there's no storage space for anything anywhere, and to all you people who say "go out", go WHERE? Gas is expensive here in California, doing anything costs money that we don't have to spend, and sitting on the internet is a heck of a lot more entertaining than associating with the hippy/yuppie hipsters and foodies out here.


Move to a place that isn't a shiathole.
 
2013-12-21 10:12:22 PM  

shortymac: infinitydreamer: My husband and I live in a 1200sqft house with our 3 kids. If the layout was better we could easily live with 400sqft less. As it is we have a huge play space for the kids, a soundproof recording studio, and all the bedroom closets are completely empty since all our clothing and such fits into the 3ft hallway coat closet. We have a second bath that goes completely unused 95% of the year. How much stuff/space do people really need?

While I think these micro-apartment deals are just a way for developers to stuff as many units into a space they legally can, I also hate the whole McMansion on a postage stamp sized lot.

I'd rather have a much smaller house with a fair bit of yard. People completely overestimate their housing needs or have way too much junk. Do don't "have to have" a guest room, that only your Mom uses once a year when she visits.


Wait, I have a 3,000 square foot house with a guest room and a game room. My kids regularly have multiple kid sleepovers, we routinely have guests for 2-3 days (often with kids) and occasionally house 15-18 people for DWI free Super Bowl parties and suchlike. My 3 car garage is chock full of things that all get regular use (and are frequently loaned to friends and neighbors).

So I DO need/want/use the big house but you don't. Which of us is completely stupid and wrong? Or is it just maybe possible that people lead different lives and have different needs?
 
2013-12-21 10:21:14 PM  

meyerkev: serial_crusher: Wait, people are suggesting that families with children live in these things?

Well:

* We can't go out because that's environmentally unfriendly (And mass transit is 99.9% of the time WAY slower than clearish freeways, so you can't be more than 1-2 suburb rings out unless you like having a multi-hour commute).
* We can't go up because of the environmentalist/NIMBY/"Keep our city [adjective]" aliiance and the farked-up zoning laws that they create.

And since it's therefore impossible to majorly increase the cubic footage of our major cities in a reasonable time frame without insane regulatory and licensing costs, even as the urban populations increase like mad due to the death of rural America and immigration, what are our other options?


Well, not having kids is one of your other options. If you can't afford a reasonable place to raise them....
 
2013-12-21 10:27:16 PM  

BumpInTheNight: JSTACAT: Micro apts have a place in the future....

It has already been determined that H. Sapiens can not self govern.
 The rest is, as they say here
History


May I too partake in what ever it is you are smoking?



Ok, here's how. Its called "Rocky Mountain High"
live in the woods [or any wild place] with lots of space.
work outside everyday in addition to whatever else you do.
after a few years, you won't be able to contemplate living on less than an acre or 10.

When/if you go to town you'll find deep sorrow rising up as you behold the tiny cages and the squalor of the city folk.


any drug or alcohol is a total bring-down. fatness and weakness is unheard of.
illness is extremely rare so the medicine lasts for ever... my bottle of brandy is 3/4 full, and 3 yrs old.[4/5]
if i get the rumbles, 2 oz with fasting.... Done.

I am learning the constellations & seasons, weather, animals secrets, all while working hard and happy.
so i postulated how to fix that, as i'm sure many others have.

micro apts sound like conditioning for concentration camps... i can't believe anyone could fall for it.

there are still plenty of oppty. to be a pioneer or settler.
My Angels
wear overalls
 
2013-12-21 10:47:57 PM  

FizixJunkee: spaten: NYC problems, cry me a river.

My noisiest neighbor.

[encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 181x278]

My neighbors are a still a bit close.

[encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 275x183]


*Opens back door and waves*

/we're visiting my in-laws
//impromptu Fark party?


Pappy and Harriets would make a great Fark venue... The Rev Horton Heat played there last month and it is on a Hollywood western set from 1947.
 
2013-12-21 10:54:20 PM  

JSTACAT: live in the woods [or any wild place] with lots of space.
work outside everyday in addition to whatever else you do.
after a few years, you won't be able to contemplate living on less than an acre or 10.

When/if you go to town you'll find deep sorrow rising up as you behold the tiny cages and the squalor of the city folk.


I still smoke and drink, but that about sums it up.
 
2013-12-21 11:39:59 PM  

Lehk: Elfich: Surpheon:
It's just a hotel room.

/Have done a bit of MEP consulting for a micro apartments bid in NYC

Just what we all want; a million, zillion PTAC units sticking out of the building. The architect is going to nuts with the appearance of his building with that. I'm guessing the maintenance is a nightmare because you have to pack half the apartment up when you go to pull one of those units out.

Given the size of the space they manage, a tiny 1-2 cubic foot 1000W 4000 BTU a/c unit would have plenty of power.


Those units are cooling only window bangers, and really aren't designed for long term heating and cooling of a space, and are repaired by replacing them. Commercial residential units are built beefier and last longer. The last thing any maintenance contractor wants is having to replace a couple of crummy window units every week once they start breaking. The commercial residential units are designed to have replaceable parts and be able to be serviced in the field.

Major cities where I am from (New England) have a heating requirement. The easy rule of thumb to determine if a unit requires heat: Does the room have an external wall? If Yes, provide heat and cooling. If No, provide cooling only. (Yes, I am aware of the required load calcs, this is the SWAG edition)

The units need put in a closet or a dedicated enclosed space (to prevent tampering). Which will take 5-10 SF, and need to be either on an exterior wall or have a roof mounted condenser so the unit can operate.

To get an idea of the footprint a unit would have, look at the residential Trane line (vertical heat pumps) or the Amana line of window PTAC units. In the case of the vertical units, the unit is walled in on three sides and maintenance access is through the return panel.
 
2013-12-21 11:58:19 PM  

BumpInTheNight: JSTACAT: Micro apts have a place in the future
9,600,000,000 acres = 1/2 earth surface = No. of potentially human-mammal inhabitable acres on earth.

A min lot size of 3/4 acre for singles, 1 acre for couples. 2 acres for families.
Families are a high privilege and must be prepared for by 5 yrs training as defined by the Galactic Commissioner. Genetic screening to Galactic standards is required.

Large sized fenced off wildlife corridors, connecting very large wild parks where no humans are allowed.
human travel limited to barest necessity.

land may not be sold, only traded under strict limitations, not accumulated.
Every person and Animal has irrevocable Life Lease on the earth
Waste, nuisance, crime, delinquency, turpitude, will mean confinement in a zoo. [micro apts]

earth's human population to be limited to 1 billion.
95% agrarian, no cars, no air travel, no import export
N.o  S.p.a.c.e. T.r.a.v.e.l, not even a balloon.
all work & most industry done small scale and in villages.
use of metal and chemicals extremely restricted.

Law book very simple, inflexible, like 10 simple rules, no lawyers, sales persons, hucksters.
No Money, no taxes, no rent, No War, no fighting, no hunting, no fishing, no weapons.
Most needs 99%  handled onsite, W,S,G, elect. and nearly all food.
Small village govt, industry, basic utilities, and schools.
Small villages answer to the Terrestrial King, who answers to Galactic Conservator.

 H. Sapiens to be evolved as fur bearing., all corpses must be surrendered to the Commissioner and his agent, The King.

This is appx what will happen if H. Sapiens can not self govern.

It has already been determined that H. Sapiens can not self govern.
 The rest is, as they say here
History

May I too partake in what ever it is you are smoking?


Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no! Otter (Tim Matheson): [whispering] Germans? Boon (Peter Riegert): Forget it, he's rolling.

/Pass the King Triton OG
 
2013-12-22 12:13:14 AM  

notatrollorami: shortymac: infinitydreamer: My husband and I live in a 1200sqft house with our 3 kids. If the layout was better we could easily live with 400sqft less. As it is we have a huge play space for the kids, a soundproof recording studio, and all the bedroom closets are completely empty since all our clothing and such fits into the 3ft hallway coat closet. We have a second bath that goes completely unused 95% of the year. How much stuff/space do people really need?

While I think these micro-apartment deals are just a way for developers to stuff as many units into a space they legally can, I also hate the whole McMansion on a postage stamp sized lot.

I'd rather have a much smaller house with a fair bit of yard. People completely overestimate their housing needs or have way too much junk. Do don't "have to have" a guest room, that only your Mom uses once a year when she visits.

Wait, I have a 3,000 square foot house with a guest room and a game room. My kids regularly have multiple kid sleepovers, we routinely have guests for 2-3 days (often with kids) and occasionally house 15-18 people for DWI free Super Bowl parties and suchlike. My 3 car garage is chock full of things that all get regular use (and are frequently loaned to friends and neighbors).

So I DO need/want/use the big house but you don't. Which of us is completely stupid and wrong? Or is it just maybe possible that people lead different lives and have different needs?


You are one of the few people I know who do actually use the huge houses they have. Congrats!

My best friend's Mom bought a gigantic McMansion in Snellville, GA and she uses a grand total of 3 rooms: Bed, Kitchen, TV room. I know the cost of A/C in the hot Georgia summers costs her an arm and a leg.
 
2013-12-22 07:35:44 AM  
What I don't like is that more and more cheap landlords in big cities are turning living rooms into additional apartment bedrooms (just tack on a door and and a bed, etc.).

Where I live now (Tel Aviv), the living room was turned into a bedroom. So, there are now three bedrooms and three roommates -- and without a living room in which to socialize, everyone always winds up secluded in his bedroom. I've seen happen to a lot of people in many places.
 
2013-12-22 09:16:08 AM  

clyph: CowardlyLion: When the fark did some douche decide to start calling studios "micro-apartments"?

Probably because these high-rise peasant huts are too small for them to be legally called "studio apartments"


400 sqft is larger than most apartments I've lived in. Studio apartments aren't big.
 
2013-12-22 10:38:56 AM  

CowardlyLion: clyph: CowardlyLion: When the fark did some douche decide to start calling studios "micro-apartments"?

Probably because these high-rise peasant huts are too small for them to be legally called "studio apartments"

400 sqft is larger than most apartments I've lived in. Studio apartments aren't big.


I always thought calling it a studio apartment was wired. Every other kind of studio I can think of is really big.
 
2013-12-22 12:29:24 PM  
I tend to prefer smaller houses, so long as there is ample kitchen counter space since I cook a lot. I don't collect a ton of stuff since I don't like clutter, and smaller houses are easier to keep clean and organized.

Now that I'm single again, I definitely wouldn't mind a place like this:
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More photos:  http://www.viralnova.com/sick-of-divorce/
 
2013-12-22 02:04:44 PM  
big deal.  they'll sucker people into living in them, and then still charge them 3000 a month to live there.

I'd rather have the coyote for the noisiest neighbor problem like SPATEN
 
2013-12-22 02:42:06 PM  

MayoSlather: I don't need anything else tiny for girls to laugh at.


I thought that if the surroundings were smaller, it would give the illusion other things might be larger?
 
2013-12-22 03:09:38 PM  
Reminds me a bit of an RV layout - except in an RV, you wouldn't have a bathtub - but the general arrangement kind of does. I lived in a 32' motor-home for most of a year in the parking lot of my workplace (it was a startup and I was the entire IT department, I worked 80+ hours a week and lived an hour away so it made sense for me to just park a motorhome there and live off their power and water and sewer hookups.

It meant that I could get an extra 2 hours of sleep ... because I'd so often get done working at 11 pm and have to be in for 8am - by using the RV, I'd get to have a little time to decompress before bed and still get a decent night sleep.

Still, I was single at the time and had I had someone to come home to, I'd a) not have been working 80+ hours a week at a startup and b) ... naw, just A)
 
2013-12-22 06:46:47 PM  
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