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2013-12-21 08:15:05 AM  
Older people in their 30's and 40s. That's enough expertise for anybody.
 
2013-12-21 09:11:14 AM  
Scott Hearne: December 21, 2013 at 3:18 am
I think this is ridiculous. I am older and live in a large home but If I was single and wanted to save some money and live in a central location I would Love to live in one of these micro units. Who are these "experts" to say there is something wrong with them? [...] please please government bureaucrats stay out of peoples lives and let them live where they want...even if it's in a small space. It's none of your business.

Jim Carr: December 21, 2013 at 5:13 am
This is exactly what the green enviro wackos want. Cram people like sardines into living spaces too small for real sardines. That leaves the green elites all the room for their multi-thousand square foot mansions. No thank you!

Dennis Farley: December 21, 2013 at 4:48 am
agenda /21.


These comments are fun right out of the gate.
 
2013-12-21 11:25:58 AM  
I don't need anything else tiny for girls to laugh at.
 
2013-12-21 12:00:32 PM  
I live in 400sf

/with 3 cats
//I wasn't gonna get laid anyway
 
2013-12-21 12:10:32 PM  
Still better than your mom's basement.
 
2013-12-21 01:06:05 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I live in 400sf

/with 3 cats
//I wasn't gonna get laid anyway


I bet your place smells great.
 
2013-12-21 01:11:23 PM  
Wait, people are suggesting that families with children live in these things?
 
2013-12-21 01:21:17 PM  

Pokey.Clyde: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I live in 400sf

/with 3 cats
//I wasn't gonna get laid anyway

I bet your place smells great.



It gets aired out pretty frequently

/I know there's worse for sure
 
2013-12-21 02:45:19 PM  
Or you could just live in Hoboken, larchmont, or Stamford.
 
2013-12-21 02:46:10 PM  
I spent years living in studio flats. They're perfectly fine when living alone. I admit I'd probably be rapidly driven homicidal if I had to share one, mind. For me, the only problem was that my Wii was mostly useless as there wasn't enough space to set it up to give enough space between the TV and the remote in my hand for it to register. A minor trade-off for rent under £1000 per month in central London.
 
2013-12-21 02:46:15 PM  
nyoobserver.files.wordpress.com

We call this floorplan a "trailer" where I'm from.
 
2013-12-21 02:46:28 PM  
I don't even bother with the apartment anymore.

When my shift is done I put a burlap bag over my head and go to sleep right there at my desk, in my chair.
 
2013-12-21 02:48:35 PM  

serial_crusher: Wait, people are suggesting that families with children live in these things?


Well:

* We can't go out because that's environmentally unfriendly (And mass transit is 99.9% of the time WAY slower than clearish freeways, so you can't be more than 1-2 suburb rings out unless you like having a multi-hour commute).
* We can't go up because of the environmentalist/NIMBY/"Keep our city [adjective]" aliiance and the farked-up zoning laws that they create.

And since it's therefore impossible to majorly increase the cubic footage of our major cities in a reasonable time frame without insane regulatory and licensing costs, even as the urban populations increase like mad due to the death of rural America and immigration, what are our other options?
 
2013-12-21 02:49:22 PM  
That they consider 30 as being "older" tells me a lot about this people and study. My mother lives in a 490 sqft. house and loves it. She's 67. I spent four months in a 150 sqft cabin with my fiance while we were waiting for our house, we had a great time. I think it depends on the person, if you can't amuse yourself in a small space this won't work for you.
 
2013-12-21 02:50:43 PM  
The derp in the comments thread is epic. Apparently, a market for small apartments is somehow Obama's fault, fascism, socialism, societal dysfunction, a prison system, and flat out evil. People have lived in small places for millenia. The idea is that you spend a lot of time at work, at the local watering hole, hanging out with people, doing errands and moving around. Small places are where you lay your hat and a few friends (Dorothy Parker), keep some stuff, bathe, poop, and make your morning coffee.
 
2013-12-21 02:51:24 PM  
I dunno, I loved my teeny tiny hobbit hole of an efficiency. As long as you kept the kitchen clean, smells weren't an issue, and floor.pillows take the place of couches for friends. Also, ony two people could physically fit in the kitchen at once, which is nice. If I wanted extra room, I'd just dangle my legs out the window, which had a perfect sitting ledge. Being 5'2" is great for little places.
 
2013-12-21 02:51:51 PM  
No joke, my apartment in Japan was about the same size as this floor plan.  Only difference is I had a balcony which was about 3' x 6'.  Sucked having a beer fridge as a main fridge.
 
2013-12-21 02:53:19 PM  
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2013-12-21 02:54:40 PM  
I lived in 400 sq. ft. cottage for years. Loved it. My friends made Unabomber jokes but it felt great to be unencumbered.

I figured if I got too lonely I would hire a "maid" to come in once in a while. Even had sex dreams about the "maid". Never actually hired a "maid". It was pre-Craigslist, so I wasn't sure how to advertise my need. Now I am old, so my need for "housekeeping" is diminished to a degree that I can manage handily.
 
2013-12-21 02:54:51 PM  
I hope that bathroom has good ventilation.
 
2013-12-21 02:57:20 PM  

flucto: Older people in their 30's and 40s. That's enough expertise for anybody.


Yes, people in that age range are already losing their mental and physical faculties, and become more and more inflexible. To deny that is to deny reality.
 
2013-12-21 02:57:59 PM  

Ebenator: I hope that bathroom has good ventilation.


The layout they show has zero chase walls for hvac and plumbing. Methinks it was made by marketing and not the engineering dept
 
2013-12-21 03:00:14 PM  
We went from 1700 ft2 to 600+ ft2 last Februrary when we moved out West for work (mine). As I am the primary living-space cleaner, I can say that the tradeoff in having less space to store crap I don't need and having to maintain less space has been completely worth it.

This gives me more time to Fark.
 
2013-12-21 03:02:49 PM  
the last micro unit you'll ever need

scarefx.com
 
2013-12-21 03:02:52 PM  

thecpt: Ebenator: I hope that bathroom has good ventilation.

The layout they show has zero chase walls for hvac and plumbing. Methinks it was made by marketing and not the engineering dept


There's no need for interior chase walls.
 
2013-12-21 03:03:06 PM  
I have the Midwestern suburban version of this. 5 people crammed into 1800 sq ft house. Our friends live in 3500sf+ mcmansions.
 
2013-12-21 03:03:51 PM  

Contents Under Pressure: The derp in the comments thread is epic. Apparently, a market for small apartments is somehow Obama's fault, fascism, socialism, societal dysfunction, a prison system, and flat out evil. People have lived in small places for millenia. The idea is that you spend a lot of time at work, at the local watering hole, hanging out with people, doing errands and moving around. Small places are where you lay your hat and a few friends (Dorothy Parker), keep some stuff, bathe, poop, and make your morning coffee.


^ So much this.
 
2013-12-21 03:04:54 PM  
I can see the attraction of lower rent and efficient heating+cooling, but I don't understand why anybody would choose a tiny living space over a less cramped floorplan?

With that kind of space, you'd be better off with a houseboat or buy an RV and park at Walmart.   Either would also improve the chances of getting laid compared to a micro-apartment.
 
2013-12-21 03:05:00 PM  
When the fark did some douche decide to start calling studios "micro-apartments"?
 
2013-12-21 03:06:36 PM  

MFAWG: thecpt: Ebenator: I hope that bathroom has good ventilation.

The layout they show has zero chase walls for hvac and plumbing. Methinks it was made by marketing and not the engineering dept

There's no need for interior chase walls.


In a high rise? Where the fark would the duct and conduit go?
 
2013-12-21 03:08:23 PM  
I'm 49 and would love to live in a "micro-apartment".  My current apartment is at least twice as big as those in the articles but I spent most of my time in front of my computer, in second place is my bed, and its' probably a draw for third place between the kitchen an bathroom. A small apartment would help curb my hoarding tendencies. I currently wouldn't move though as my rent is very low due to the fact that my landlord is my brother.

I do believe that those "micro-apartments" are only good for one and he/she probably need to be a loner and maybe slightly agoraphobic.
 
2013-12-21 03:08:28 PM  

thecpt: MFAWG: thecpt: Ebenator: I hope that bathroom has good ventilation.

The layout they show has zero chase walls for hvac and plumbing. Methinks it was made by marketing and not the engineering dept

There's no need for interior chase walls.

In a high rise? Where the fark would the duct and conduit go?


See the space between the walls of the actual room and the floor plan?
 
2013-12-21 03:09:26 PM  

thecpt: Ebenator: I hope that bathroom has good ventilation.

The layout they show has zero chase walls for hvac and plumbing. Methinks it was made by marketing and not the engineering dept


Sorry for the ovule post but if they can do houses....
http://m.wimp.com/printerhouse/

And not because I see QA up there did I post this even though I've picked on him a little:)
Seems if this was a thing, "printing" might make sense as far as building them.
/ not for me any more but lived in similar space back in school. Worked then- now, not so much.
 
2013-12-21 03:10:17 PM  
300 sqft is for a single person, not a family.
 
2013-12-21 03:10:46 PM  

minuslars: We call this floorplan a "trailer" where I'm from.


Holy fark! That is exactly what that is.
 
2013-12-21 03:11:10 PM  

MFAWG: thecpt: MFAWG: thecpt: Ebenator: I hope that bathroom has good ventilation.

The layout they show has zero chase walls for hvac and plumbing. Methinks it was made by marketing and not the engineering dept

There's no need for interior chase walls.

In a high rise? Where the fark would the duct and conduit go?

See the space between the walls of the actual room and the floor plan?


I don't think that's incorporated in the actual design... Did it say that somewhere?
 
2013-12-21 03:11:19 PM  

Whack-a-Mole: thecpt: Ebenator: I hope that bathroom has good ventilation.

The layout they show has zero chase walls for hvac and plumbing. Methinks it was made by marketing and not the engineering dept

Sorry for the ovule post but if they can do houses....
http://m.wimp.com/printerhouse/

And not because I see QA up there did I post this even though I've picked on him a little:)
Seems if this was a thing, "printing" might make sense as far as building them.
/ not for me any more but lived in similar space back in school. Worked then- now, not so much.


*mobile post
 
2013-12-21 03:14:36 PM  

Ebenator: I hope that bathroom has good ventilation.


Depends on the apartment. Some are like this.
 
2013-12-21 03:15:03 PM  
A one room mansion (wan rūmu manshon ワンルームマンション) is a Japanese apartment style in which there is only one small room (10 m2 or 3.0 tsubo; 110 sq ft in many cases) and usually a compact bathroom. It is a functional equivalent of the Western-style studio apartment. These styles of units are most often rented by single individuals due to their extremely small size which makes it hard for more than one person to reside in them. Most of Japan's city apartments have rooms such as these although family units (around 60 to 90 m2 or 18 to 27 tsubo; 650 to 970 sq ft in size) are more common, especially in the suburbs of Japan.

- Rand Paul
 
2013-12-21 03:15:41 PM  
FTA: According to Mr. Kopec, the space-saving trend of tiny apartments can lead to increased claustrophobia, domestic abuse, and alcoholism

Well if some guy says it, it must be the case. Great reporting there, Lou.
 
2013-12-21 03:17:17 PM  

thecpt: MFAWG: thecpt: MFAWG: thecpt: Ebenator: I hope that bathroom has good ventilation.

The layout they show has zero chase walls for hvac and plumbing. Methinks it was made by marketing and not the engineering dept

There's no need for interior chase walls.

In a high rise? Where the fark would the duct and conduit go?

See the space between the walls of the actual room and the floor plan?

I don't think that's incorporated in the actual design... Did it say that somewhere?


I'm assuming that's why they display it that way to prospective clients
 
2013-12-21 03:18:28 PM  
A new way to have sex in an uncomfortable place?!
 
2013-12-21 03:19:57 PM  
Compared to 25 years ago, e-books, laptops, flat-screen TVs, digital pictures, and no need for VHS/LP/CD collections make it a whole lot easier.
 
2013-12-21 03:20:10 PM  

MFAWG: thecpt: MFAWG: thecpt: MFAWG: thecpt: Ebenator: I hope that bathroom has good ventilation.

The layout they show has zero chase walls for hvac and plumbing. Methinks it was made by marketing and not the engineering dept

There's no need for interior chase walls.

In a high rise? Where the fark would the duct and conduit go?

See the space between the walls of the actual room and the floor plan?

I don't think that's incorporated in the actual design... Did it say that somewhere?

I'm assuming that's why they display it that way to prospective clients


Guess we need a building floor plan. I was being the pessimist. Or maybe I've frequented fark too much.
 
2013-12-21 03:20:41 PM  

thecpt: MFAWG: thecpt: Ebenator: I hope that bathroom has good ventilation.

The layout they show has zero chase walls for hvac and plumbing. Methinks it was made by marketing and not the engineering dept

There's no need for interior chase walls.

In a high rise? Where the fark would the duct and conduit go?


Floor/ceiling, and connected to a central shaft near the elevators.
 
2013-12-21 03:22:43 PM  

thecpt: MFAWG: thecpt: MFAWG: thecpt: Ebenator: I hope that bathroom has good ventilation.

The layout they show has zero chase walls for hvac and plumbing. Methinks it was made by marketing and not the engineering dept

There's no need for interior chase walls.

In a high rise? Where the fark would the duct and conduit go?

See the space between the walls of the actual room and the floor plan?

I don't think that's incorporated in the actual design... Did it say that somewhere?


thecpt: Ebenator: I hope that bathroom has good ventilation.

The layout they show has zero chase walls for hvac and plumbing. Methinks it was made by marketing and not the engineering dept


This is a well solved problem. Put a HVAC unit on the exterior wall and have a 6" wetwall behind the toilet.

It's just a hotel room.

/Have done a bit of MEP consulting for a micro apartments bid in NYC
 
2013-12-21 03:24:32 PM  

RatMaster999: thecpt: MFAWG: thecpt: Ebenator: I hope that bathroom has good ventilation.

The layout they show has zero chase walls for hvac and plumbing. Methinks it was made by marketing and not the engineering dept

There's no need for interior chase walls.

In a high rise? Where the fark would the duct and conduit go?

Floor/ceiling, and connected to a central shaft near the elevators.


Old school tenement style. Hipsters will love it! And then, when we get them all together in these buildings...
 
2013-12-21 03:25:46 PM  
I can hear some chick now, "I hope your dick in bigger than this apartment!"
 
2013-12-21 03:26:10 PM  

houstondragon: A new way to have sex in an uncomfortable place?!


It is more spacious than back of a VW.
 
2013-12-21 03:26:11 PM  
My bedroom is bigger than the room that floor plan is laid out on.  Have a two bedroom house with a full garden all to myself

/so ronery
 
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