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2013-12-21 11:47:52 AM
5 votes:

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

That's not true at all. Alcohol is a drug, and employers don't care if you drink on your own time, as long as you don't come to work drunk. It's going to take a few years for the culture to change, but it will happen.



Add to that caffeine, nicotine, NSAIDs, allergy medications, sleep aids.....most people use multiple drugs weekly, if not daily.

Every one of the drugs you and I listed can kill you from overdose, and most can cause other, serious, deleterious effects in users at higher doses. In the case of heavy tobacco users, their performance can seriously decline after a few hours without a cigarette: yet some would single out Cannabis consumers as "druggies"?  It's ridiculous.

Very few people in this Country can truly claim to be "drug free".
2013-12-21 12:14:02 PM
4 votes:
In three years America will be 75% in favor of weed, particularly when statistics emerge from Colorado and Washington which basically only have to state "Things didn't get much worse".  This is about millions and millions of dollars and getting elected anywhere on the basis that you agree with most people.  Alot of you are like "yeah but I have doubts".  As a twenty year every day pot smoker you guys are the absolute friggen worst.  It's cool to drink yourself to death and slap each other on the backs dying at 55 when your liver says no-more (not cool I saw it up close) but you knew a guy who got fired over a random drug test so maybe the world had best wait for some perfect condition to take a closer look at how we do things.
2013-12-21 11:05:24 AM
4 votes:

skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.


I worked for a company of about 500 people that did mostly data entry (I was in engineering services though).  They had a suggestion box and somebody put in "Random drug tests".

The owner of the company came out and said "We don't care what you do on your free time as long as it doesn't effect your work".  He probably know that if he did, most of his high school educated workforce would fail.

Of course, you can really blame the insurance companies for this issue.  Random drug tests mean cheaper insurance rates.
2013-12-21 12:57:49 PM
3 votes:

Livinglush: The My Little Pony Killer: Livinglush: Misconduc: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

Yeah I'd like to tell Walmart something about that, they are farking idiots. Back when I was 17 I wanted a part time job stocking shelves at walmart, I went in for the interview on a friday afternoon. Boss said yer hired! get a drug test and you can start tuesday.
No clinic was open on Saturday or Sunday, and Monday was a Holiday... Guess what happens if you cant get a drug test in 72 hours? Sorry! don't apply at walmart for 6 months.

I laugh at all the potheads who think they can miss clear and get away with it, it works great until you get "fired" for drugs, most companies won't even go near you because you are a liability.

/On a funny note, I was a cable installer a few years ago making $800 a week cash, after 4 months they did random drug testing on everyone, my department went from 13 installers and 2 technicians to 2 installers and 2 technicians, 11 people fired for having drugs in their system.
//wouldn't you if you would spend 8 hours digging? on the plus side I became a senior technician not even 6 months of working there :)

We'll deserved. I don't want any potheads working for me. You can do it on your "personal time", but the truth is that effects longer for days, and are cumulative.

So you don't hire alcoholics either, right? Because otherwise you're just a hypocrite.

Not knowingly, no. All things in moderation, and moderation in some things is much less than others. Subjective, yes, but that's my right as an employer. I pay well over industry average and expect more in return.


I'm also guessing you employ and have employed many "potheads" that you have zero clue were smokers.
2013-12-21 12:04:26 PM
3 votes:

skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.


Yeah, this. I'd like to have better relief from continuing joint pain due to a childhood illness, but since I have to wiz in a cup to be allowed to work, not so much.

And yes, I know there are shady ways of avoiding it via fake pee, devices, etc, but that avoids the issue completely. Make if legal, tax it, and move the fark on from Prohibition already.
2013-12-21 03:35:20 PM
2 votes:
Livinglush

[clip]
We'll deserved. I don't want any potheads working for me. You can do it on your "personal time", but the truth is that effects longer for days, and are cumulative.

Says Nancy, while perched on Mr. T's lap...

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/man -sets-marijuana-record-smokes-115000 -joints-provided/story?id=9159281

"I don't get high. I need the medicine; I'm not getting any euphoria," he said.

I don't doubt that he needs it for his condition, but this is a lie.

And what if it is?  Joker has been huffing 9 ounces of Uncle Sugar's 3.5% Delta Nine (certified) every month since 1982 (he just testified in KY month before last) and has been constantly employed as a stockbroker.  Any true `euphoria' he might be experiencing probably has to do with the fact that he is alive and fully functioning.  So, what's drug testing's actual purpose?  Why not rely on computerized performance testing (before clocking in one has to `beat' the computer - the tests are being used - either one's hand/eye coord & passing test measuring variables of attention - is met, or one doesn't clock-in - the cause of failure can be ferreted out after the fact - arguing all night with the old lady or too much Xanax...).

I'm not opposed to it. I'm not against the drug or it's use, medically OR recreationally. I just don't think it's users have a right to affect the workplace negatively


So, in Rosenfeld's case, you'd want him to be subjected to a quantitative test of his THC level to insure he had a substantial enough amount of the THC on board to perform his tasks as a stockbroker in the manner in which you, as the employer, had come to rely on?  I mean, if he wasn't smoking enough, might not his trades for clients drop off or otherwise suffer?

Actual performance, not pi*s implied bullshiat is all that matters
2013-12-21 01:44:39 PM
2 votes:

Livinglush: "I don't get high. I need the medicine; I'm not getting any euphoria," he said.

I don't doubt that he needs it for his condition, but this is a lie.


There are strains specifically bred to have no psychoactive effects, actually.  And a person who uses a huge amount of cannabis to begin with develops a strong tolerance to those psychoactive effects to begin with.  So no, he is not necessarily lying.
2013-12-21 01:32:40 PM
2 votes:

Livinglush: Misconduc: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

Yeah I'd like to tell Walmart something about that, they are farking idiots. Back when I was 17 I wanted a part time job stocking shelves at walmart, I went in for the interview on a friday afternoon. Boss said yer hired! get a drug test and you can start tuesday.
No clinic was open on Saturday or Sunday, and Monday was a Holiday... Guess what happens if you cant get a drug test in 72 hours? Sorry! don't apply at walmart for 6 months.

I laugh at all the potheads who think they can miss clear and get away with it, it works great until you get "fired" for drugs, most companies won't even go near you because you are a liability.

/On a funny note, I was a cable installer a few years ago making $800 a week cash, after 4 months they did random drug testing on everyone, my department went from 13 installers and 2 technicians to 2 installers and 2 technicians, 11 people fired for having drugs in their system.
//wouldn't you if you would spend 8 hours digging? on the plus side I became a senior technician not even 6 months of working there :)

We'll deserved. I don't want any potheads working for me. You can do it on your "personal time", but the truth is that effects longer for days, and are cumulative.


I like how "personal time" is in quotes. Is this to suggest they are doing it on the job? Or perhaps that you believe companies own their employees, and there is no such thing as "personal time."
2013-12-21 01:01:24 PM
2 votes:
When the field sobriety analysis is, "we just can't tell if they are high or not", take a farking hint.
2013-12-21 12:26:02 PM
2 votes:
PISS TEST CONGRESS.
Every day.

/by catheterization, no cheating
2013-12-21 12:21:23 PM
2 votes:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: If I owned a company I certainly wouldn't hire any potheads any more than I'd hire an alcoholic.


So, no creative people.
2013-12-21 12:12:42 PM
2 votes:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: If I owned a company I certainly wouldn't hire any potheads any more than I'd hire an alcoholic.


I've worked with tweakers, crackheads, alcoholics, pill junkies, potheads, and drug free people.  I'd hire (and have, by the way) the pothead over ANY person in any of the aforementioned groups, and that includes the drug free people.  Drug Free People, for the most part, are the laziest people working -- see the average state road crew cause they're all drug free (some are tested weekly).  Almost every drug free worker (by choice, not court) was a crappy worker, took more breaks, usually less skilled, slow and fat, and I even caught one taking a nap in his truck.  Tweakers and crackheads are too busy sneaking off to do a bump or a line, or just scoping out shiat to steal when they break in an hour after work.  Alcoholics are useless for the first hour or two when their hungover, and useless for the last hour or two when they start getting the shakes, but they're usually good workers during the in-between.  Pill poppers are like the alcoholics without the hangover or like the T's & C's sneakin and stealin.  Potheads, on the other hand, know that they're doing an illegal drug and therefore work harder so they stand out in a good way.  Potheads also know that THC stays in their system for a long time so they're usually safer (an injury is an instant drug test at most places).

While that's all personal, anecdotal evidence, its been true at every job I've worked or every person I've hired.  Hell, my second question when hiring is if they'll pass a piss test -- if yes then they're most likely not gonna be hired, if no, then only a hire if it's for weed.  The first question is what experience do you have.  No point in the 2nd question if they have no experience, unless I need a laborer for a day or two.  While I let my standards drop a bit for the day or two grunt workers, I won't hire tweakers, crackheads, or pill poppers, but I'll make an exception for drunks and lazy asses.
2013-12-21 11:45:53 AM
2 votes:

Burr: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

I worked for a company of about 500 people that did mostly data entry (I was in engineering services though).  They had a suggestion box and somebody put in "Random drug tests".

The owner of the company came out and said "We don't care what you do on your free time as long as it doesn't effect your work".  He probably know that if he did, most of his high school educated workforce would fail.


He could have periodically handed out a sheets that said things like "Please circle five effects of mescaline"  or "Name all the states where marijuana is legal." At the end of the year, give a prize to the person with the most right answers. Everyone is happy that way.
2013-12-21 11:32:40 AM
2 votes:

skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.


That's not true at all. Alcohol is a drug, and employers don't care if you drink on your own time, as long as you don't come to work drunk. It's going to take a few years for the culture to change, but it will happen.
2013-12-21 11:13:54 AM
2 votes:
You ain't seen nothin' yet.

This coming year will be very interesting.
2013-12-21 11:10:45 AM
2 votes:

Burr: Random drug tests mean cheaper insurance rates.


They're also a way of managing vacation bottlenecks.

Leak a schedule for random drug tests during a slack time when you wish most people would take some vacation and your wish comes true.
2013-12-21 04:31:29 PM
1 votes:
The random drug test is useful only to determine if you believe that the rules (ALL of them, even the "stupid" ones and the difficult to enforce ones) apply to you.

In an injury situation for example, a positive drug test supports the idea that the employee may have ignored some "unnecessary" precaution they didn't agree with.

/Devil's advocate position above. Inflexible/authoritarian management styles create helplesss employees who need babysitting and are only necessary if you're hiring the wrong people.
//If you can't trust someone to NOT be farked up at work, proving they didn't smoke weed in the last 2 weeks isn't solving your problem
2013-12-21 04:23:16 PM
1 votes:

Livinglush: Misconduc: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

Yeah I'd like to tell Walmart something about that, they are farking idiots. Back when I was 17 I wanted a part time job stocking shelves at walmart, I went in for the interview on a friday afternoon. Boss said yer hired! get a drug test and you can start tuesday.
No clinic was open on Saturday or Sunday, and Monday was a Holiday... Guess what happens if you cant get a drug test in 72 hours? Sorry! don't apply at walmart for 6 months.

I laugh at all the potheads who think they can miss clear and get away with it, it works great until you get "fired" for drugs, most companies won't even go near you because you are a liability.

/On a funny note, I was a cable installer a few years ago making $800 a week cash, after 4 months they did random drug testing on everyone, my department went from 13 installers and 2 technicians to 2 installers and 2 technicians, 11 people fired for having drugs in their system.
//wouldn't you if you would spend 8 hours digging? on the plus side I became a senior technician not even 6 months of working there :)

We'll deserved. I don't want any potheads working for me. You can do it on your "personal time", but the truth is that effects longer for days, and are cumulative.


No. Completely wrong. Go back and do it again.
2013-12-21 03:54:43 PM
1 votes:

The My Little Pony Killer: Point to the post where I called you a name. Do it so that I can show you where in your OP you started the name calling and embarrass you further.


Forget it. He didn't go three years without salary. He doesn't pay his employees above industry standard. In fact, he doesn't even own a business.

He knows this. I know this. Now you know this.

Besides, name calling lies in the figurative. Like calling somebody a poopy-head knowing full well their head is not poopy. Calling him a hypocrite is the same as calling somebody walking down the street a pedestrian. It's just the word we use to describe what somebody is.
2013-12-21 03:53:21 PM
1 votes:

Crazy Lee: Livinglush

[clip]
We'll deserved. I don't want any potheads working for me. You can do it on your "personal time", but the truth is that effects longer for days, and are cumulative.

Says Nancy, while perched on Mr. T's lap...

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/man -sets-marijuana-record-smokes-115000 -joints-provided/story?id=9159281

"I don't get high. I need the medicine; I'm not getting any euphoria," he said.

I don't doubt that he needs it for his condition, but this is a lie.

And what if it is?  Joker has been huffing 9 ounces of Uncle Sugar's 3.5% Delta Nine (certified) every month since 1982 (he just testified in KY month before last) and has been constantly employed as a stockbroker.  Any true `euphoria' he might be experiencing probably has to do with the fact that he is alive and fully functioning.  So, what's drug testing's actual purpose?  Why not rely on computerized performance testing (before clocking in one has to `beat' the computer - the tests are being used - either one's hand/eye coord & passing test measuring variables of attention - is met, or one doesn't clock-in - the cause of failure can be ferreted out after the fact - arguing all night with the old lady or too much Xanax...).

I'm not opposed to it. I'm not against the drug or it's use, medically OR recreationally. I just don't think it's users have a right to affect the workplace negatively

So, in Rosenfeld's case, you'd want him to be subjected to a quantitative test of his THC level to insure he had a substantial enough amount of the THC on board to perform his tasks as a stockbroker in the manner in which you, as the employer, had come to rely on?  I mean, if he wasn't smoking enough, might not his trades for clients drop off or otherwise suffer?

Actual performance, not pi*s implied bullshiat is all that matters


He doesn't have a problem with pot. Weren't you listening? He just has a problem with the giant strawmen he's been building up for himself this entire thread.
2013-12-21 03:49:39 PM
1 votes:

Livinglush: The My Little Pony Killer: Livinglush: The My Little Pony Killer: Livinglush: The My Little Pony Killer: Livinglush: Misconduc: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

Yeah I'd like to tell Walmart something about that, they are farking idiots. Back when I was 17 I wanted a part time job stocking shelves at walmart, I went in for the interview on a friday afternoon. Boss said yer hired! get a drug test and you can start tuesday.
No clinic was open on Saturday or Sunday, and Monday was a Holiday... Guess what happens if you cant get a drug test in 72 hours? Sorry! don't apply at walmart for 6 months.

I laugh at all the potheads who think they can miss clear and get away with it, it works great until you get "fired" for drugs, most companies won't even go near you because you are a liability.

/On a funny note, I was a cable installer a few years ago making $800 a week cash, after 4 months they did random drug testing on everyone, my department went from 13 installers and 2 technicians to 2 installers and 2 technicians, 11 people fired for having drugs in their system.
//wouldn't you if you would spend 8 hours digging? on the plus side I became a senior technician not even 6 months of working there :)

We'll deserved. I don't want any potheads working for me. You can do it on your "personal time", but the truth is that effects longer for days, and are cumulative.

So you don't hire alcoholics either, right? Because otherwise you're just a hypocrite.

Not knowingly, no. All things in moderation, and moderation in some things is much less than others. Subjective, yes, but that's my right as an employer. I pay well over industry average and expect more in return.

So that's a 'yes' to the you're a hypocrite part of my comment then.

Think what you like, it's your right. Doesn't affect me one bit. I do detect a bit of bitterness on your part though.

Ahh, projection. I see you're no longer interested in conversa ...


Point to the post where I called you a name. Do it so that I can show you where in your OP you started the name calling and embarrass you further.
2013-12-21 03:10:24 PM
1 votes:
Livinglush:

Dude, you been lied to so long, your paradigms are are going to take a lot of work to get enlightened.
Sooner, you start, sooner you move on.
2013-12-21 02:55:53 PM
1 votes:

Livinglush: MayoSlather: Livinglush: MayoSlather: Livinglush: It's because what you do on your personal time still affects your work time. If what you do at home affects your performance at work it is no longer personal. FYI I use quotes around "work hours" all the time as well, because as salaried employees, if my employees need to go to the doctor, to pick up their kids or run a personal errand, they can do so as long as it doesn't affect their performance overall.


You basically just parrotted what I said at the end of ...
I'm not ALLUDING to anything. I'm stating that excess use of any recreational substance wil affect job performance.


Accepted.
Implied is a qualitative/quantitative scaling of "performance".
So where is the measurement of "performance" before hiring?
Is there a "performance" selection to "drug" testing, why random?
2013-12-21 02:43:47 PM
1 votes:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: If I owned a company I certainly wouldn't hire any potheads any more than I'd hire an alcoholic.


Trolltastic!
2013-12-21 02:31:24 PM
1 votes:

Livinglush: MayoSlather: Livinglush: It's because what you do on your personal time still affects your work time. If what you do at home affects your performance at work it is no longer personal. FYI I use quotes around "work hours" all the time as well, because as salaried employees, if my employees need to go to the doctor, to pick up their kids or run a personal errand, they can do so as long as it doesn't affect their performance overall.

I'm not seeing what you are missing. Are you trying to tell me that your choices should be allowed to affect my income and the income of those around me? Or are you saying we should all work harder to make up for the fact that you feel "mellow" today?

You've created quite a slippery slope. By that same logic an employer should be able to implement curfews, tell you what to eat, what type of person to be in a relationship with, and dictate that you only take up low risk hobbies. Drug use is no different, it can be used responsibly just like alcohol, or be abused where it becomes a detriment.

There is no slope, only reality.

If you aren't getting enough sleep and it affects your performance, a correction is needed.

If you keep ending up in the hospital because of your free diving with AIDS infected sharks while juggling chainsaws, a correction is needed.

You can do whatever you want with your life, but if it affects your work, correct or be asked to leave.

You don't have to like it, you can work elsewhere. If you can live a moderate lifestyle and work hard, I'll make it worth your while.

During the downturn my business lost over $250k a year for five years. I did not lay off one employee. I did not reduce salaries or benefits (even as costs rose.). I didn't even cancel the Christmas party. I DID go without a salary myself for three of those years, with a child and a stay at home wife. Don't I have a right to ask for commitment from my employees?


Do you not see the problem with not demonstrating impairment but relying in a piss test to "OMG, he is was high!"?
2013-12-21 02:31:18 PM
1 votes:

Livinglush: MayoSlather: Livinglush: It's because what you do on your personal time still affects your work time. If what you do at home affects your performance at work it is no longer personal. FYI I use quotes around "work hours" all the time as well, because as salaried employees, if my employees need to go to the doctor, to pick up their kids or run a personal errand, they can do so as long as it doesn't affect their performance overall.

I'm not seeing what you are missing. Are you trying to tell me that your choices should be allowed to affect my income and the income of those around me? Or are you saying we should all work harder to make up for the fact that you feel "mellow" today?

You've created quite a slippery slope. By that same logic an employer should be able to implement curfews, tell you what to eat, what type of person to be in a relationship with, and dictate that you only take up low risk hobbies. Drug use is no different, it can be used responsibly just like alcohol, or be abused where it becomes a detriment.

There is no slope, only reality.

If you aren't getting enough sleep and it affects your performance, a correction is needed.

If you keep ending up in the hospital because of your free diving with AIDS infected sharks while juggling chainsaws, a correction is needed.

You can do whatever you want with your life, but if it affects your work, correct or be asked to leave.

You don't have to like it, you can work elsewhere. If you can live a moderate lifestyle and work hard, I'll make it worth your while.

During the downturn my business lost over $250k a year for five years. I did not lay off one employee. I did not reduce salaries or benefits (even as costs rose.). I didn't even cancel the Christmas party. I DID go without a salary myself for three of those years, with a child and a stay at home wife. Don't I have a right to ask for commitment from my employees?


You basically just parrotted what I said at the end of my last post except from what I gathered from your previous post you're against employees being potheads, which is to allude to the idea that the marijuana use has direct correlation to lower job performance. My point is that it's fine as long as it's used responsibility. And as long as your employees get their work done in a timely and competent manner then why would you care what they're doing in their personal time.
2013-12-21 02:08:10 PM
1 votes:

MayoSlather: Livinglush: It's because what you do on your personal time still affects your work time. If what you do at home affects your performance at work it is no longer personal. FYI I use quotes around "work hours" all the time as well, because as salaried employees, if my employees need to go to the doctor, to pick up their kids or run a personal errand, they can do so as long as it doesn't affect their performance overall.

I'm not seeing what you are missing. Are you trying to tell me that your choices should be allowed to affect my income and the income of those around me? Or are you saying we should all work harder to make up for the fact that you feel "mellow" today?

You've created quite a slippery slope. By that same logic an employer should be able to implement curfews, tell you what to eat, what type of person to be in a relationship with, and dictate that you only take up low risk hobbies. Drug use is no different, it can be used responsibly just like alcohol, or be abused where it becomes a detriment.


There is no slope, only reality.

If you aren't getting enough sleep and it affects your performance, a correction is needed.

If you keep ending up in the hospital because of your free diving with AIDS infected sharks while juggling chainsaws, a correction is needed.

You can do whatever you want with your life, but if it affects your work, correct or be asked to leave.

You don't have to like it, you can work elsewhere. If you can live a moderate lifestyle and work hard, I'll make it worth your while.

During the downturn my business lost over $250k a year for five years. I did not lay off one employee. I did not reduce salaries or benefits (even as costs rose.). I didn't even cancel the Christmas party. I DID go without a salary myself for three of those years, with a child and a stay at home wife. Don't I have a right to ask for commitment from my employees?
2013-12-21 01:59:22 PM
1 votes:

Livinglush: It's because what you do on your personal time still affects your work time. If what you do at home affects your performance at work it is no longer personal. FYI I use quotes around "work hours" all the time as well, because as salaried employees, if my employees need to go to the doctor, to pick up their kids or run a personal errand, they can do so as long as it doesn't affect their performance overall.

I'm not seeing what you are missing. Are you trying to tell me that your choices should be allowed to affect my income and the income of those around me? Or are you saying we should all work harder to make up for the fact that you feel "mellow" today?


You've created quite a slippery slope. By that same logic an employer should be able to implement curfews, tell you what to eat, what type of person to be in a relationship with, and dictate that you only take up low risk hobbies. Drug use is no different, it can be used responsibly just like alcohol, or be abused where it becomes a detriment.
2013-12-21 01:48:27 PM
1 votes:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: If I owned a company I certainly wouldn't hire any potheads any more than I'd hire an alcoholic.


What's the difference between having a beer or two in the evening, and having a toke in the evening?

Moderate drinking does not an alcoholic make. Moderate use does not a "pothead" make.
2013-12-21 01:46:47 PM
1 votes:

Livinglush: Crazy Lee: Livinglush: Misconduc: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

Yeah I'd like to tell Walmart something about that, they are farking idiots. Back when I was 17 I wanted a part time job stocking shelves at walmart, I went in for the interview on a friday afternoon. Boss said yer hired! get a drug test and you can start tuesday.
No clinic was open on Saturday or Sunday, and Monday was a Holiday... Guess what happens if you cant get a drug test in 72 hours? Sorry! don't apply at walmart for 6 months.

I laugh at all the potheads who think they can miss clear and get away with it, it works great until you get "fired" for drugs, most companies won't even go near you because you are a liability.

/On a funny note, I was a cable installer a few years ago making $800 a week cash, after 4 months they did random drug testing on everyone, my department went from 13 installers and 2 technicians to 2 installers and 2 technicians, 11 people fired for having drugs in their system.
//wouldn't you if you would spend 8 hours digging? on the plus side I became a senior technician not even 6 months of working there :)

We'll deserved. I don't want any potheads working for me. You can do it on your "personal time", but the truth is that effects longer for days, and are cumulative.

Says Nancy, while perched on Mr. T's lap...

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/man -sets-marijuana-record-smokes-115000 -joints-provided/story?id=9159281

"I don't get high. I need the medicine; I'm not getting any euphoria," he said.

I don't doubt that he needs it for his condition, but this is a lie.


And what if it is?  Joker has been huffing 9 ounces of Uncle Sugar's 3.5% Delta Nine (certified) every month since 1982 (he just testified in KY month before last) and has been constantly employed as a stockbroker.  Any true `euphoria' he might be experiencing probably has to do with the fact that he is alive and fully functioning.  So, what's drug testing's actual purpose?  Why not rely on computerized performance testing (before clocking in one has to `beat' the computer - the tests are being used - either one's hand/eye coord & passing test measuring variables of attention - is met, or one doesn't clock-in - the cause of failure can be ferreted out after the fact - arguing all night with the old lady or too much Xanax...).
2013-12-21 01:39:50 PM
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Livinglush: The My Little Pony Killer: Livinglush: The My Little Pony Killer: Livinglush: Misconduc: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

Yeah I'd like to tell Walmart something about that, they are farking idiots. Back when I was 17 I wanted a part time job stocking shelves at walmart, I went in for the interview on a friday afternoon. Boss said yer hired! get a drug test and you can start tuesday.
No clinic was open on Saturday or Sunday, and Monday was a Holiday... Guess what happens if you cant get a drug test in 72 hours? Sorry! don't apply at walmart for 6 months.

I laugh at all the potheads who think they can miss clear and get away with it, it works great until you get "fired" for drugs, most companies won't even go near you because you are a liability.

/On a funny note, I was a cable installer a few years ago making $800 a week cash, after 4 months they did random drug testing on everyone, my department went from 13 installers and 2 technicians to 2 installers and 2 technicians, 11 people fired for having drugs in their system.
//wouldn't you if you would spend 8 hours digging? on the plus side I became a senior technician not even 6 months of working there :)

We'll deserved. I don't want any potheads working for me. You can do it on your "personal time", but the truth is that effects longer for days, and are cumulative.

So you don't hire alcoholics either, right? Because otherwise you're just a hypocrite.

Not knowingly, no. All things in moderation, and moderation in some things is much less than others. Subjective, yes, but that's my right as an employer. I pay well over industry average and expect more in return.

So that's a 'yes' to the you're a hypocrite part of my comment then.

Think what you like, it's your right. Doesn't affect me one bit. I do detect a bit of bitterness on your part though.


Ahh, projection. I see you're no longer interested in conversation.

Good day.
2013-12-21 01:30:40 PM
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The My Little Pony Killer: Livinglush: Misconduc: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

Yeah I'd like to tell Walmart something about that, they are farking idiots. Back when I was 17 I wanted a part time job stocking shelves at walmart, I went in for the interview on a friday afternoon. Boss said yer hired! get a drug test and you can start tuesday.
No clinic was open on Saturday or Sunday, and Monday was a Holiday... Guess what happens if you cant get a drug test in 72 hours? Sorry! don't apply at walmart for 6 months.

I laugh at all the potheads who think they can miss clear and get away with it, it works great until you get "fired" for drugs, most companies won't even go near you because you are a liability.

/On a funny note, I was a cable installer a few years ago making $800 a week cash, after 4 months they did random drug testing on everyone, my department went from 13 installers and 2 technicians to 2 installers and 2 technicians, 11 people fired for having drugs in their system.
//wouldn't you if you would spend 8 hours digging? on the plus side I became a senior technician not even 6 months of working there :)

We'll deserved. I don't want any potheads working for me. You can do it on your "personal time", but the truth is that effects longer for days, and are cumulative.

So you don't hire alcoholics either, right? Because otherwise you're just a hypocrite.


The thing is - people who have real problems with drugs don't disclose it.  Since weed is mostly illegal, it becomes a catch-22.  A responsible pot smoker goes to a job interview and doesn't mention anything remotely related to pot.  Everyone sees him as 'not a drug user'.  The only people who they do see as drug users are the ones with problems.  They show up to work high or spend all day talking about drugs.  Boss notices that employees who use drugs are all problem employees and concludes that drug use makes them bad and that he/she shouldn't hire drug users.

They don't realize that they don't know if their star employees are using drugs....they just know they don't have any problems with drugs that they bring to work.
2013-12-21 01:05:19 PM
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Billy Bathsalt: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: If I owned a company I certainly wouldn't hire any potheads any more than I'd hire an alcoholic.

So, no creative people.


Pretty much - Im guessing he doesnt work in media. Good luck finding a video editor who doesnt smoke pot.
2013-12-21 12:39:49 PM
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Livinglush: Misconduc: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

Yeah I'd like to tell Walmart something about that, they are farking idiots. Back when I was 17 I wanted a part time job stocking shelves at walmart, I went in for the interview on a friday afternoon. Boss said yer hired! get a drug test and you can start tuesday.
No clinic was open on Saturday or Sunday, and Monday was a Holiday... Guess what happens if you cant get a drug test in 72 hours? Sorry! don't apply at walmart for 6 months.

I laugh at all the potheads who think they can miss clear and get away with it, it works great until you get "fired" for drugs, most companies won't even go near you because you are a liability.

/On a funny note, I was a cable installer a few years ago making $800 a week cash, after 4 months they did random drug testing on everyone, my department went from 13 installers and 2 technicians to 2 installers and 2 technicians, 11 people fired for having drugs in their system.
//wouldn't you if you would spend 8 hours digging? on the plus side I became a senior technician not even 6 months of working there :)

We'll deserved. I don't want any potheads working for me. You can do it on your "personal time", but the truth is that effects longer for days, and are cumulative.


you should try school
2013-12-21 12:35:08 PM
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Livinglush: Misconduc: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

Yeah I'd like to tell Walmart something about that, they are farking idiots. Back when I was 17 I wanted a part time job stocking shelves at walmart, I went in for the interview on a friday afternoon. Boss said yer hired! get a drug test and you can start tuesday.
No clinic was open on Saturday or Sunday, and Monday was a Holiday... Guess what happens if you cant get a drug test in 72 hours? Sorry! don't apply at walmart for 6 months.

I laugh at all the potheads who think they can miss clear and get away with it, it works great until you get "fired" for drugs, most companies won't even go near you because you are a liability.

/On a funny note, I was a cable installer a few years ago making $800 a week cash, after 4 months they did random drug testing on everyone, my department went from 13 installers and 2 technicians to 2 installers and 2 technicians, 11 people fired for having drugs in their system.
//wouldn't you if you would spend 8 hours digging? on the plus side I became a senior technician not even 6 months of working there :)

We'll deserved. I don't want any potheads working for me. You can do it on your "personal time", but the truth is that effects longer for days, and are cumulative.


So you don't hire alcoholics either, right? Because otherwise you're just a hypocrite.
2013-12-21 12:29:24 PM
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2013-12-21 12:24:58 PM
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The My Little Pony Killer: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

A lot of people who smoke weed don't bother with the places that drug test new hires. Those who do have ways of cheating that system.

But please, continue with your fantasy about an unemployment line filled up with junkies OD'ing on the marihuanas.


All this BS "drug testing" is just another revenue stream.
If you are too stupid to beat the test, you don't deserve the job.

/oh, maybe that is the real test???
2013-12-21 12:06:36 PM
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snocone: 3 G's: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

That's not true at all. Alcohol is a drug, and employers don't care if you drink on your own time, as long as you don't come to work drunk. It's going to take a few years for the culture to change, but it will happen.


Add to that caffeine, nicotine, NSAIDs, allergy medications, sleep aids.....most people use multiple drugs weekly, if not daily.

Every one of the drugs you and I listed can kill you from overdose, and most can cause other, serious, deleterious effects in users at higher doses. In the case of heavy tobacco users, their performance can seriously decline after a few hours without a cigarette: yet some would single out Cannabis consumers as "druggies"?  It's ridiculous.

Very few people in this Country can truly claim to be "drug free".

NOBODY, exactly nobody.
Floride in yer water counts as does iodine in yer salt.


Those aren't drugs, in fact one is just an element.
2013-12-21 11:57:26 AM
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3 G's: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

That's not true at all. Alcohol is a drug, and employers don't care if you drink on your own time, as long as you don't come to work drunk. It's going to take a few years for the culture to change, but it will happen.


Add to that caffeine, nicotine, NSAIDs, allergy medications, sleep aids.....most people use multiple drugs weekly, if not daily.

Every one of the drugs you and I listed can kill you from overdose, and most can cause other, serious, deleterious effects in users at higher doses. In the case of heavy tobacco users, their performance can seriously decline after a few hours without a cigarette: yet some would single out Cannabis consumers as "druggies"?  It's ridiculous.

Very few people in this Country can truly claim to be "drug free".


NOBODY, exactly nobody.
Floride in yer water counts as does iodine in yer salt.
2013-12-21 11:28:58 AM
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skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.



Why? Put a snack food machine in the break room and watch the money roll in.

/Currently, companies with drug-using employees have to worry about said employee being in jail on possession instead of at their desk come Monday morning. If it were legal, many would just treat it like alcohol -- don't show up to work stoned, and don't use it on the job. Of course, some would still test on hiring to weed out (so to speak) the applicants for a job.
2013-12-21 10:58:53 AM
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If I owned a company I certainly wouldn't hire any potheads any more than I'd hire an alcoholic.
2013-12-21 05:22:47 AM
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phlegmmo: [www.moneyandshiat.com image 380x500]


Considering there is no real alternative plan, thats actually good advice.
 
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