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2013-12-21 03:54:43 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Point to the post where I called you a name. Do it so that I can show you where in your OP you started the name calling and embarrass you further.


Forget it. He didn't go three years without salary. He doesn't pay his employees above industry standard. In fact, he doesn't even own a business.

He knows this. I know this. Now you know this.

Besides, name calling lies in the figurative. Like calling somebody a poopy-head knowing full well their head is not poopy. Calling him a hypocrite is the same as calling somebody walking down the street a pedestrian. It's just the word we use to describe what somebody is.
 
2013-12-21 04:17:24 PM

Misconduc: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

That's not true at all. Alcohol is a drug, and employers don't care if you drink on your own time, as long as you don't come to work drunk. It's going to take a few years for the culture to change, but it will happen.

If they can test to see if someones under the influence of POT while at work, then I will agree with you - but for now you can't test it, only see if someone has smoked in the previous few days/weeks.
Difference is Alcohol can be tested on the spot with a breath test, unless they can do that for POT then most companies will not hire you. Again because of liability issues.


Not true anymore. They can test for levels of cannaboids in your system. Not a sure fire test, but theres progress.
 
2013-12-21 04:23:16 PM

Livinglush: Misconduc: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

Yeah I'd like to tell Walmart something about that, they are farking idiots. Back when I was 17 I wanted a part time job stocking shelves at walmart, I went in for the interview on a friday afternoon. Boss said yer hired! get a drug test and you can start tuesday.
No clinic was open on Saturday or Sunday, and Monday was a Holiday... Guess what happens if you cant get a drug test in 72 hours? Sorry! don't apply at walmart for 6 months.

I laugh at all the potheads who think they can miss clear and get away with it, it works great until you get "fired" for drugs, most companies won't even go near you because you are a liability.

/On a funny note, I was a cable installer a few years ago making $800 a week cash, after 4 months they did random drug testing on everyone, my department went from 13 installers and 2 technicians to 2 installers and 2 technicians, 11 people fired for having drugs in their system.
//wouldn't you if you would spend 8 hours digging? on the plus side I became a senior technician not even 6 months of working there :)

We'll deserved. I don't want any potheads working for me. You can do it on your "personal time", but the truth is that effects longer for days, and are cumulative.


No. Completely wrong. Go back and do it again.
 
2013-12-21 04:31:29 PM
The random drug test is useful only to determine if you believe that the rules (ALL of them, even the "stupid" ones and the difficult to enforce ones) apply to you.

In an injury situation for example, a positive drug test supports the idea that the employee may have ignored some "unnecessary" precaution they didn't agree with.

/Devil's advocate position above. Inflexible/authoritarian management styles create helplesss employees who need babysitting and are only necessary if you're hiring the wrong people.
//If you can't trust someone to NOT be farked up at work, proving they didn't smoke weed in the last 2 weeks isn't solving your problem
 
2013-12-21 05:45:04 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: If I owned a company I certainly wouldn't hire any potheads any more than I'd hire an alcoholic.


You're an idiot.
 
2013-12-21 06:26:17 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: belhade: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: If I owned a company I certainly wouldn't hire any potheads any more than I'd hire an alcoholic.

What's the difference between having a beer or two in the evening, and having a toke in the evening?

Moderate drinking does not an alcoholic make. Moderate use does not a "pothead" make.

Hence why I said "alcoholic" and "pothead", not "social drinker" and "occasional weed smoker".


Just making sure. Some people don't bother making the distinction.
 
2013-12-21 06:48:51 PM

Livinglush: MayoSlather: Livinglush: Misconduc: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

Yeah I'd like to tell Walmart something about that, they are farking idiots. Back when I was 17 I wanted a part time job stocking shelves at walmart, I went in for the interview on a friday afternoon. Boss said yer hired! get a drug test and you can start tuesday.
No clinic was open on Saturday or Sunday, and Monday was a Holiday... Guess what happens if you cant get a drug test in 72 hours? Sorry! don't apply at walmart for 6 months.

I laugh at all the potheads who think they can miss clear and get away with it, it works great until you get "fired" for drugs, most companies won't even go near you because you are a liability.

/On a funny note, I was a cable installer a few years ago making $800 a week cash, after 4 months they did random drug testing on everyone, my department went from 13 installers and 2 technicians to 2 installers and 2 technicians, 11 people fired for having drugs in their system.
//wouldn't you if you would spend 8 hours digging? on the plus side I became a senior technician not even 6 months of working there :)

We'll deserved. I don't want any potheads working for me. You can do it on your "personal time", but the truth is that effects longer for days, and are cumulative.

I like how "personal time" is in quotes. Is this to suggest they are doing it on the job? Or perhaps that you believe companies own their employees, and there is no such thing as "personal time."

It's because what you do on your personal time still affects your work time. If what you do at home affects your performance at work it is no longer personal. FYI I use quotes around "work hours" all the time as well, because as salaried employees, if my employees need to go to the doctor, to pick up their kids or run a personal errand, they can do so as long as it doesn't affect their performance overall.

I'm not seeing what you are missing. Are you trying to tell me that your choices should be allowed to affect my income and the income of those around me? Or are you saying we should all work harder to make up for the fact that you feel "mellow" today?


Can't tell if serious or good troll. Either way, not bad, you are getting a few bites. 8/10
 
2013-12-21 07:35:05 PM

Livinglush: I'm not seeing what you are missing. Are you trying to tell me that your choices should be allowed to affect my income and the income of those around me? Or are you saying we should all work harder to make up for the fact that you feel "mellow" today?


I think he might be trying to tell you that you're an ignorant bigot who is willing to let your employees use the drugs you like, but not the drugs you don't like.  The effects don't linger for days, nor are they cumulative-- this has been amply demonstrated by studies paid for by a government anxious to find any justification for its vicious war on some drugs.

It's clear that your company, if it exists, is not concerned with any product that requires a high degree of technical ability.  The computer you're bloviating on was basically invented and programmed by stoners.  There is almost no drug testing in the creative shops in Silicon Valley.  What do you suppose this means?
 
2013-12-21 07:37:57 PM

Snarfangel: Burr: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

I worked for a company of about 500 people that did mostly data entry (I was in engineering services though).  They had a suggestion box and somebody put in "Random drug tests".

The owner of the company came out and said "We don't care what you do on your free time as long as it doesn't effect your work".  He probably know that if he did, most of his high school educated workforce would fail.

He could have periodically handed out a sheets that said things like "Please circle five effects of mescaline"  or "Name all the states where marijuana is legal." At the end of the year, give a prize to the person with the most right answers. Everyone is happy that way.


I worked for the SMWIA LU38 back in the 90s, they drug tested every apprentice, It was a written test (along the lines of a HS health class) that the instructor basically gave us the answers to just before the test. But, the union could legally say we all passed a drug test.
 
2013-12-21 08:00:04 PM

Livinglush: MayoSlather: Livinglush: It's because what you do on your personal time still affects your work time. If what you do at home affects your performance at work it is no longer personal. FYI I use quotes around "work hours" all the time as well, because as salaried employees, if my employees need to go to the doctor, to pick up their kids or run a personal errand, they can do so as long as it doesn't affect their performance overall.

I'm not seeing what you are missing. Are you trying to tell me that your choices should be allowed to affect my income and the income of those around me? Or are you saying we should all work harder to make up for the fact that you feel "mellow" today?

You've created quite a slippery slope. By that same logic an employer should be able to implement curfews, tell you what to eat, what type of person to be in a relationship with, and dictate that you only take up low risk hobbies. Drug use is no different, it can be used responsibly just like alcohol, or be abused where it becomes a detriment.

There is no slope, only reality.

If you aren't getting enough sleep and it affects your performance, a correction is needed.

If you keep ending up in the hospital because of your free diving with AIDS infected sharks while juggling chainsaws, a correction is needed.

You can do whatever you want with your life, but if it affects your work, correct or be asked to leave.

You don't have to like it, you can work elsewhere. If you can live a moderate lifestyle and work hard, I'll make it worth your while.

During the downturn my business lost over $250k a year for five years. I did not lay off one employee. I did not reduce salaries or benefits (even as costs rose.). I didn't even cancel the Christmas party. I DID go without a salary myself for three of those years, with a child and a stay at home wife. Don't I have a right to ask for commitment from my employees?


So, you lost + $1 mil in 5 years, and you're worried about competent employees ?
 
2013-12-22 11:28:20 AM

snocone: Livinglush:

Dude, you been lied to so long, your paradigms are are going to take a lot of work to get enlightened.
Sooner, you start, sooner you move on.


No, I get what he/she is saying.

Live an overly cautious and white bread life. Thinking of hiking the Grand Canyon during vacation time off? Consider that you may trip over a rock and break an ankle. That could mean a few days out of the office and what would upper management do without their weekly job creator blowjobs? Consider staying home instead, get your eight hours of sleep a night, and keep under two glasses of wine an evening so you can be fresh and at your most productive upon your return to work.

/Makes about as much sense.
 
2013-12-22 12:55:10 PM
livinglush can fire his potheads because tests can detect it up to a very long time after usage (weeks to months depending on the test).  what it cant differentiate is whether his employees are a once a week or weekend only smoker vs a 1/2+oz a day real pothead.  he also can't reliably find the users of any other substance exponentially worse than pot.

also he should fire all the cigarette smokers.  they might infringe upon their life expectancy by getting cancer or emphysema and thus reducing their productive capacity to his business.  while we're at it, trans fats, diet, exercise, and any other optimum limiter are up for grabs.  (btw, this paragraph is just as ridiculous as his argument for firing his "potheads".)

basically he gets to live with his hypocrisy because pot's one huge detriment is it can be detected for long after its actual use.  but he has a right to it and that's all he needs to keep doing it.
 
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