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(Huffington Post)   Marijuana just had like the best year ever, man   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 112
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2013-12-21 02:26:37 AM  
www.moneyandshit.com
 
2013-12-21 05:22:47 AM  

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Considering there is no real alternative plan, thats actually good advice.
 
2013-12-21 10:52:53 AM  
Spliffy
 
2013-12-21 10:55:38 AM  
Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.
 
2013-12-21 10:58:25 AM  
And yet I'm still doubtful the federal government will remove it from being a schedule 1 drug anytime soon.
 
2013-12-21 10:58:53 AM  
If I owned a company I certainly wouldn't hire any potheads any more than I'd hire an alcoholic.
 
2013-12-21 10:59:20 AM  
Does this mean that a policy that has failed since 1937 will finally be repealed?
 
2013-12-21 11:00:01 AM  
Whoa, man pot had such a good year that we forgot reading this article last week. Pretty far out!
 
2013-12-21 11:03:53 AM  
I, for one, welcome our new Weed Snob culture leaders -- where except for Wal*mart or the warehouse stores, you have a Sommelier Ganja telling you that you could never show your face in church again if you offered that cheap brand you were thinking of buying.
 
2013-12-21 11:04:37 AM  
what good marijuana may look like:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4B9M2zuc5XM
 
2013-12-21 11:04:45 AM  
Pot had such a good year the link keeps crashing Firefox for Android.
 
2013-12-21 11:05:24 AM  

skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.


I worked for a company of about 500 people that did mostly data entry (I was in engineering services though).  They had a suggestion box and somebody put in "Random drug tests".

The owner of the company came out and said "We don't care what you do on your free time as long as it doesn't effect your work".  He probably know that if he did, most of his high school educated workforce would fail.

Of course, you can really blame the insurance companies for this issue.  Random drug tests mean cheaper insurance rates.
 
2013-12-21 11:10:27 AM  

Burr: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

I worked for a company of about 500 people that did mostly data entry (I was in engineering services though).  They had a suggestion box and somebody put in "Random drug tests".

The owner of the company came out and said "We don't care what you do on your free time as long as it doesn't effect your work".  He probably know that if he did, most of his high school educated workforce would fail.

Of course, you can really blame the insurance companies for this issue.  Random drug tests mean cheaper insurance rates.


I like how you felt the need to include that you were in "engineering services though".
 
2013-12-21 11:10:45 AM  

Burr: Random drug tests mean cheaper insurance rates.


They're also a way of managing vacation bottlenecks.

Leak a schedule for random drug tests during a slack time when you wish most people would take some vacation and your wish comes true.
 
2013-12-21 11:11:07 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: If I owned a company I certainly wouldn't hire any potheads any more than I'd hire an alcoholic.


If you owned a company, dogs would have credit cards.
 
2013-12-21 11:11:55 AM  
Isn't weed already legal in Portugal? How is Uruguay the first country to legalize weed?

And I feel like a few of those reasons are kind of flaky.

7. Hemp has been grown on US soil all this time.

8. Legalization has brought us together, yet only mentions that half of Democrats and half of Independents were in favor of legalization. Half of each those two groups already agree on everything.

13. Isn't weed already legal in Portugal? How is Uruguay the first country in the world to legalize it?
 
2013-12-21 11:12:20 AM  

JohnnyRebel88: Burr: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

I worked for a company of about 500 people that did mostly data entry (I was in engineering services though).  They had a suggestion box and somebody put in "Random drug tests".

The owner of the company came out and said "We don't care what you do on your free time as long as it doesn't effect your work".  He probably know that if he did, most of his high school educated workforce would fail.

Of course, you can really blame the insurance companies for this issue.  Random drug tests mean cheaper insurance rates.

I like how you felt the need to include that you were in "engineering services though".


If the trains are to run on time, somebody has to service those engineers!
 
2013-12-21 11:13:19 AM  

jso2897: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: If I owned a company I certainly wouldn't hire any potheads any more than I'd hire an alcoholic.

If you owned a company, dogs would have credit cards.


You just gave me a great idea for a startup...
 
2013-12-21 11:13:54 AM  
You ain't seen nothin' yet.

This coming year will be very interesting.
 
2013-12-21 11:15:26 AM  

skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.


Yeah I'd like to tell Walmart something about that, they are farking idiots. Back when I was 17 I wanted a part time job stocking shelves at walmart, I went in for the interview on a friday afternoon. Boss said yer hired! get a drug test and you can start tuesday.
No clinic was open on Saturday or Sunday, and Monday was a Holiday... Guess what happens if you cant get a drug test in 72 hours? Sorry! don't apply at walmart for 6 months.

I laugh at all the potheads who think they can miss clear and get away with it, it works great until you get "fired" for drugs, most companies won't even go near you because you are a liability.

/On a funny note, I was a cable installer a few years ago making $800 a week cash, after 4 months they did random drug testing on everyone, my department went from 13 installers and 2 technicians to 2 installers and 2 technicians, 11 people fired for having drugs in their system.
//wouldn't you if you would spend 8 hours digging? on the plus side I became a senior technician not even 6 months of working there :)
 
2013-12-21 11:16:08 AM  

JohnnyRebel88: Burr: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

I worked for a company of about 500 people that did mostly data entry (I was in engineering services though).  They had a suggestion box and somebody put in "Random drug tests".

The owner of the company came out and said "We don't care what you do on your free time as long as it doesn't effect your work".  He probably know that if he did, most of his high school educated workforce would fail.

Of course, you can really blame the insurance companies for this issue.  Random drug tests mean cheaper insurance rates.

I like how you felt the need to include that you were in "engineering services though".


Well he wouldn't want people to think he was a lowly data entry schlub.
 
2013-12-21 11:19:18 AM  

MayoSlather: JohnnyRebel88: Burr: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

I worked for a company of about 500 people that did mostly data entry (I was in engineering services though).  They had a suggestion box and somebody put in "Random drug tests".

The owner of the company came out and said "We don't care what you do on your free time as long as it doesn't effect your work".  He probably know that if he did, most of his high school educated workforce would fail.

Of course, you can really blame the insurance companies for this issue.  Random drug tests mean cheaper insurance rates.

I like how you felt the need to include that you were in "engineering services though".

Well he wouldn't want people to think he was a lowly data entry schlub.


Can you blame him? This is Fark, he's got a reputation to uphold.
 
2013-12-21 11:19:47 AM  

jaylectricity: Isn't weed already legal in Portugal? How is Uruguay the first country to legalize weed?

And I feel like a few of those reasons are kind of flaky.

7. Hemp has been grown on US soil all this time.

8. Legalization has brought us together, yet only mentions that half of Democrats and half of Independents were in favor of legalization. Half of each those two groups already agree on everything.

13. Isn't weed already legal in Portugal? How is Uruguay the first country in the world to legalize it?


No, it is NOT legal in Portugal. Merely "decriminalized", which just means they don't bust you for small amounts but the business is still controlled by criminals.

It's legal in North Korea and semi-legal (as in, sold in shops) in the Netherlands and India.
 
2013-12-21 11:21:32 AM  

jaylectricity: 13. Isn't weed already legal in Portugal? How is Uruguay the first country in the world to legalize it?


Possession of small quantities of weed is decriminalized in Portugal, not legalized. There's a little bit of a difference. If you're caught with weed, you are summoned to a panel that can make non-binding treatment recommendations.
 
2013-12-21 11:23:14 AM  

adamatari: You ain't seen nothin' yet.

This coming year will be very interesting.


Maybe by 2020 pot will be legal everywhere.
 
2013-12-21 11:26:38 AM  
Hell, we're getting ready to open like a 16 new weed dispensaries in this county....

SUX 2 B U ALL LOL!
 
2013-12-21 11:28:01 AM  

Theory Of Null: adamatari: You ain't seen nothin' yet.

This coming year will be very interesting.

Maybe by 2020 pot will be legal everywhere.


lol
 
2013-12-21 11:28:58 AM  

skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.



Why? Put a snack food machine in the break room and watch the money roll in.

/Currently, companies with drug-using employees have to worry about said employee being in jail on possession instead of at their desk come Monday morning. If it were legal, many would just treat it like alcohol -- don't show up to work stoned, and don't use it on the job. Of course, some would still test on hiring to weed out (so to speak) the applicants for a job.
 
2013-12-21 11:31:53 AM  

jso2897: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: If I owned a company I certainly wouldn't hire any potheads any more than I'd hire an alcoholic.

If you owned a company, dogs would have credit cards.



HydrantCardTM. It's everywhere you want to pee.
 
2013-12-21 11:32:40 AM  

skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.


That's not true at all. Alcohol is a drug, and employers don't care if you drink on your own time, as long as you don't come to work drunk. It's going to take a few years for the culture to change, but it will happen.
 
2013-12-21 11:39:30 AM  
The federal "hands off" policy will only last as long as no Republican is elected president.  They loves themselves the Drug War, even if it contradicts their stated position on states rights.
 
2013-12-21 11:40:16 AM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

That's not true at all. Alcohol is a drug, and employers don't care if you drink on your own time, as long as you don't come to work drunk. It's going to take a few years for the culture to change, but it will happen.


If they can test to see if someones under the influence of POT while at work, then I will agree with you - but for now you can't test it, only see if someone has smoked in the previous few days/weeks.
Difference is Alcohol can be tested on the spot with a breath test, unless they can do that for POT then most companies will not hire you. Again because of liability issues.
 
2013-12-21 11:45:53 AM  

Burr: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

I worked for a company of about 500 people that did mostly data entry (I was in engineering services though).  They had a suggestion box and somebody put in "Random drug tests".

The owner of the company came out and said "We don't care what you do on your free time as long as it doesn't effect your work".  He probably know that if he did, most of his high school educated workforce would fail.


He could have periodically handed out a sheets that said things like "Please circle five effects of mescaline"  or "Name all the states where marijuana is legal." At the end of the year, give a prize to the person with the most right answers. Everyone is happy that way.
 
2013-12-21 11:47:52 AM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

That's not true at all. Alcohol is a drug, and employers don't care if you drink on your own time, as long as you don't come to work drunk. It's going to take a few years for the culture to change, but it will happen.



Add to that caffeine, nicotine, NSAIDs, allergy medications, sleep aids.....most people use multiple drugs weekly, if not daily.

Every one of the drugs you and I listed can kill you from overdose, and most can cause other, serious, deleterious effects in users at higher doses. In the case of heavy tobacco users, their performance can seriously decline after a few hours without a cigarette: yet some would single out Cannabis consumers as "druggies"?  It's ridiculous.

Very few people in this Country can truly claim to be "drug free".
 
2013-12-21 11:48:01 AM  
I don't smoke anymore.  I just don't like the feeling of being high, but I love the smell and taste.  I wonder if that Charlotte's Web stuff still smells and tastes like weed.
 
2013-12-21 11:49:25 AM  

Theory Of Null: adamatari: You ain't seen nothin' yet.

This coming year will be very interesting.

Maybe by 2020 pot will be legal everywhere.


As far as the US, it will take several years of the states where it's legal showing that they've not become nightmarish wastelands of lawlessness and addiction. I think 2020 is a bit optimistic but not too far off - maybe mid-late 2020's before the Overton window on on federal legalization shifts.
 
2013-12-21 11:57:26 AM  

3 G's: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

That's not true at all. Alcohol is a drug, and employers don't care if you drink on your own time, as long as you don't come to work drunk. It's going to take a few years for the culture to change, but it will happen.


Add to that caffeine, nicotine, NSAIDs, allergy medications, sleep aids.....most people use multiple drugs weekly, if not daily.

Every one of the drugs you and I listed can kill you from overdose, and most can cause other, serious, deleterious effects in users at higher doses. In the case of heavy tobacco users, their performance can seriously decline after a few hours without a cigarette: yet some would single out Cannabis consumers as "druggies"?  It's ridiculous.

Very few people in this Country can truly claim to be "drug free".


NOBODY, exactly nobody.
Floride in yer water counts as does iodine in yer salt.
 
2013-12-21 11:58:40 AM  

3 G's: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

That's not true at all. Alcohol is a drug, and employers don't care if you drink on your own time, as long as you don't come to work drunk. It's going to take a few years for the culture to change, but it will happen.


Add to that caffeine, nicotine, NSAIDs, allergy medications, sleep aids.....most people use multiple drugs weekly, if not daily.

Every one of the drugs you and I listed can kill you from overdose, and most can cause other, serious, deleterious effects in users at higher doses. In the case of heavy tobacco users, their performance can seriously decline after a few hours without a cigarette: yet some would single out Cannabis consumers as "druggies"?  It's ridiculous.

Very few people in this Country can truly claim to be "drug free".


Yeah, but marijuana needs to be held to a higher standard. It needs to be perfectly innocuous at high dosages, cure cancer, and have no dangers to children with habitual usage. Furthermore it's also scary because it makes you feel good, and we all know how dangerous that is to a puritanistic capitalist society. If people just run around feeling good all the time they won't be motivated to work as hard, and thus we'll all starve.
 
2013-12-21 12:04:26 PM  

skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.


Yeah, this. I'd like to have better relief from continuing joint pain due to a childhood illness, but since I have to wiz in a cup to be allowed to work, not so much.

And yes, I know there are shady ways of avoiding it via fake pee, devices, etc, but that avoids the issue completely. Make if legal, tax it, and move the fark on from Prohibition already.
 
2013-12-21 12:06:36 PM  

snocone: 3 G's: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

That's not true at all. Alcohol is a drug, and employers don't care if you drink on your own time, as long as you don't come to work drunk. It's going to take a few years for the culture to change, but it will happen.


Add to that caffeine, nicotine, NSAIDs, allergy medications, sleep aids.....most people use multiple drugs weekly, if not daily.

Every one of the drugs you and I listed can kill you from overdose, and most can cause other, serious, deleterious effects in users at higher doses. In the case of heavy tobacco users, their performance can seriously decline after a few hours without a cigarette: yet some would single out Cannabis consumers as "druggies"?  It's ridiculous.

Very few people in this Country can truly claim to be "drug free".

NOBODY, exactly nobody.
Floride in yer water counts as does iodine in yer salt.


Those aren't drugs, in fact one is just an element.
 
2013-12-21 12:12:42 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: If I owned a company I certainly wouldn't hire any potheads any more than I'd hire an alcoholic.


I've worked with tweakers, crackheads, alcoholics, pill junkies, potheads, and drug free people.  I'd hire (and have, by the way) the pothead over ANY person in any of the aforementioned groups, and that includes the drug free people.  Drug Free People, for the most part, are the laziest people working -- see the average state road crew cause they're all drug free (some are tested weekly).  Almost every drug free worker (by choice, not court) was a crappy worker, took more breaks, usually less skilled, slow and fat, and I even caught one taking a nap in his truck.  Tweakers and crackheads are too busy sneaking off to do a bump or a line, or just scoping out shiat to steal when they break in an hour after work.  Alcoholics are useless for the first hour or two when their hungover, and useless for the last hour or two when they start getting the shakes, but they're usually good workers during the in-between.  Pill poppers are like the alcoholics without the hangover or like the T's & C's sneakin and stealin.  Potheads, on the other hand, know that they're doing an illegal drug and therefore work harder so they stand out in a good way.  Potheads also know that THC stays in their system for a long time so they're usually safer (an injury is an instant drug test at most places).

While that's all personal, anecdotal evidence, its been true at every job I've worked or every person I've hired.  Hell, my second question when hiring is if they'll pass a piss test -- if yes then they're most likely not gonna be hired, if no, then only a hire if it's for weed.  The first question is what experience do you have.  No point in the 2nd question if they have no experience, unless I need a laborer for a day or two.  While I let my standards drop a bit for the day or two grunt workers, I won't hire tweakers, crackheads, or pill poppers, but I'll make an exception for drunks and lazy asses.
 
2013-12-21 12:14:02 PM  
In three years America will be 75% in favor of weed, particularly when statistics emerge from Colorado and Washington which basically only have to state "Things didn't get much worse".  This is about millions and millions of dollars and getting elected anywhere on the basis that you agree with most people.  Alot of you are like "yeah but I have doubts".  As a twenty year every day pot smoker you guys are the absolute friggen worst.  It's cool to drink yourself to death and slap each other on the backs dying at 55 when your liver says no-more (not cool I saw it up close) but you knew a guy who got fired over a random drug test so maybe the world had best wait for some perfect condition to take a closer look at how we do things.
 
2013-12-21 12:18:30 PM  

jaylectricity: snocone: 3 G's: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

That's not true at all. Alcohol is a drug, and employers don't care if you drink on your own time, as long as you don't come to work drunk. It's going to take a few years for the culture to change, but it will happen.


Add to that caffeine, nicotine, NSAIDs, allergy medications, sleep aids.....most people use multiple drugs weekly, if not daily.

Every one of the drugs you and I listed can kill you from overdose, and most can cause other, serious, deleterious effects in users at higher doses. In the case of heavy tobacco users, their performance can seriously decline after a few hours without a cigarette: yet some would single out Cannabis consumers as "druggies"?  It's ridiculous.

Very few people in this Country can truly claim to be "drug free".

NOBODY, exactly nobody.
Floride in yer water counts as does iodine in yer salt.

Those aren't drugs, in fact one is just an element.


Oh rly?
 
2013-12-21 12:21:23 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: If I owned a company I certainly wouldn't hire any potheads any more than I'd hire an alcoholic.


So, no creative people.
 
2013-12-21 12:21:50 PM  

skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.


A lot of people who smoke weed don't bother with the places that drug test new hires. Those who do have ways of cheating that system.

But please, continue with your fantasy about an unemployment line filled up with junkies OD'ing on the marihuanas.
 
2013-12-21 12:23:05 PM  
Its true.  My business has never been better.
 
2013-12-21 12:24:58 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

A lot of people who smoke weed don't bother with the places that drug test new hires. Those who do have ways of cheating that system.

But please, continue with your fantasy about an unemployment line filled up with junkies OD'ing on the marihuanas.


All this BS "drug testing" is just another revenue stream.
If you are too stupid to beat the test, you don't deserve the job.

/oh, maybe that is the real test???
 
2013-12-21 12:26:02 PM  
PISS TEST CONGRESS.
Every day.

/by catheterization, no cheating
 
2013-12-21 12:28:18 PM  

Misconduc: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

Yeah I'd like to tell Walmart something about that, they are farking idiots. Back when I was 17 I wanted a part time job stocking shelves at walmart, I went in for the interview on a friday afternoon. Boss said yer hired! get a drug test and you can start tuesday.
No clinic was open on Saturday or Sunday, and Monday was a Holiday... Guess what happens if you cant get a drug test in 72 hours? Sorry! don't apply at walmart for 6 months.

I laugh at all the potheads who think they can miss clear and get away with it, it works great until you get "fired" for drugs, most companies won't even go near you because you are a liability.

/On a funny note, I was a cable installer a few years ago making $800 a week cash, after 4 months they did random drug testing on everyone, my department went from 13 installers and 2 technicians to 2 installers and 2 technicians, 11 people fired for having drugs in their system.
//wouldn't you if you would spend 8 hours digging? on the plus side I became a senior technician not even 6 months of working there :)


We'll deserved. I don't want any potheads working for me. You can do it on your "personal time", but the truth is that effects longer for days, and are cumulative.
 
2013-12-21 12:29:24 PM  
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2013-12-21 12:35:08 PM  

Livinglush: Misconduc: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

Yeah I'd like to tell Walmart something about that, they are farking idiots. Back when I was 17 I wanted a part time job stocking shelves at walmart, I went in for the interview on a friday afternoon. Boss said yer hired! get a drug test and you can start tuesday.
No clinic was open on Saturday or Sunday, and Monday was a Holiday... Guess what happens if you cant get a drug test in 72 hours? Sorry! don't apply at walmart for 6 months.

I laugh at all the potheads who think they can miss clear and get away with it, it works great until you get "fired" for drugs, most companies won't even go near you because you are a liability.

/On a funny note, I was a cable installer a few years ago making $800 a week cash, after 4 months they did random drug testing on everyone, my department went from 13 installers and 2 technicians to 2 installers and 2 technicians, 11 people fired for having drugs in their system.
//wouldn't you if you would spend 8 hours digging? on the plus side I became a senior technician not even 6 months of working there :)

We'll deserved. I don't want any potheads working for me. You can do it on your "personal time", but the truth is that effects longer for days, and are cumulative.


So you don't hire alcoholics either, right? Because otherwise you're just a hypocrite.
 
2013-12-21 12:39:49 PM  

Livinglush: Misconduc: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

Yeah I'd like to tell Walmart something about that, they are farking idiots. Back when I was 17 I wanted a part time job stocking shelves at walmart, I went in for the interview on a friday afternoon. Boss said yer hired! get a drug test and you can start tuesday.
No clinic was open on Saturday or Sunday, and Monday was a Holiday... Guess what happens if you cant get a drug test in 72 hours? Sorry! don't apply at walmart for 6 months.

I laugh at all the potheads who think they can miss clear and get away with it, it works great until you get "fired" for drugs, most companies won't even go near you because you are a liability.

/On a funny note, I was a cable installer a few years ago making $800 a week cash, after 4 months they did random drug testing on everyone, my department went from 13 installers and 2 technicians to 2 installers and 2 technicians, 11 people fired for having drugs in their system.
//wouldn't you if you would spend 8 hours digging? on the plus side I became a senior technician not even 6 months of working there :)

We'll deserved. I don't want any potheads working for me. You can do it on your "personal time", but the truth is that effects longer for days, and are cumulative.


you should try school
 
2013-12-21 12:40:27 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Livinglush: Misconduc: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

Yeah I'd like to tell Walmart something about that, they are farking idiots. Back when I was 17 I wanted a part time job stocking shelves at walmart, I went in for the interview on a friday afternoon. Boss said yer hired! get a drug test and you can start tuesday.
No clinic was open on Saturday or Sunday, and Monday was a Holiday... Guess what happens if you cant get a drug test in 72 hours? Sorry! don't apply at walmart for 6 months.

I laugh at all the potheads who think they can miss clear and get away with it, it works great until you get "fired" for drugs, most companies won't even go near you because you are a liability.

/On a funny note, I was a cable installer a few years ago making $800 a week cash, after 4 months they did random drug testing on everyone, my department went from 13 installers and 2 technicians to 2 installers and 2 technicians, 11 people fired for having drugs in their system.
//wouldn't you if you would spend 8 hours digging? on the plus side I became a senior technician not even 6 months of working there :)

We'll deserved. I don't want any potheads working for me. You can do it on your "personal time", but the truth is that effects longer for days, and are cumulative.

So you don't hire alcoholics either, right? Because otherwise you're just a hypocrite.


Not knowingly, no. All things in moderation, and moderation in some things is much less than others. Subjective, yes, but that's my right as an employer. I pay well over industry average and expect more in return.
 
2013-12-21 12:40:57 PM  

LeroyBourne: I don't smoke anymore.  I just don't like the feeling of being high, but I love the smell and taste.  I wonder if that Charlotte's Web stuff still smells and tastes like weed.


It does.  At least it certainly did during the final stages of the hybridization.  Mellow, sweet, almost grapey.  Absolutely no psychoactive effects whatsoever.  Amazing strain.
 
2013-12-21 12:57:49 PM  

Livinglush: The My Little Pony Killer: Livinglush: Misconduc: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

Yeah I'd like to tell Walmart something about that, they are farking idiots. Back when I was 17 I wanted a part time job stocking shelves at walmart, I went in for the interview on a friday afternoon. Boss said yer hired! get a drug test and you can start tuesday.
No clinic was open on Saturday or Sunday, and Monday was a Holiday... Guess what happens if you cant get a drug test in 72 hours? Sorry! don't apply at walmart for 6 months.

I laugh at all the potheads who think they can miss clear and get away with it, it works great until you get "fired" for drugs, most companies won't even go near you because you are a liability.

/On a funny note, I was a cable installer a few years ago making $800 a week cash, after 4 months they did random drug testing on everyone, my department went from 13 installers and 2 technicians to 2 installers and 2 technicians, 11 people fired for having drugs in their system.
//wouldn't you if you would spend 8 hours digging? on the plus side I became a senior technician not even 6 months of working there :)

We'll deserved. I don't want any potheads working for me. You can do it on your "personal time", but the truth is that effects longer for days, and are cumulative.

So you don't hire alcoholics either, right? Because otherwise you're just a hypocrite.

Not knowingly, no. All things in moderation, and moderation in some things is much less than others. Subjective, yes, but that's my right as an employer. I pay well over industry average and expect more in return.


I'm also guessing you employ and have employed many "potheads" that you have zero clue were smokers.
 
2013-12-21 12:59:51 PM  

Livinglush: The My Little Pony Killer: Livinglush: Misconduc: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

Yeah I'd like to tell Walmart something about that, they are farking idiots. Back when I was 17 I wanted a part time job stocking shelves at walmart, I went in for the interview on a friday afternoon. Boss said yer hired! get a drug test and you can start tuesday.
No clinic was open on Saturday or Sunday, and Monday was a Holiday... Guess what happens if you cant get a drug test in 72 hours? Sorry! don't apply at walmart for 6 months.

I laugh at all the potheads who think they can miss clear and get away with it, it works great until you get "fired" for drugs, most companies won't even go near you because you are a liability.

/On a funny note, I was a cable installer a few years ago making $800 a week cash, after 4 months they did random drug testing on everyone, my department went from 13 installers and 2 technicians to 2 installers and 2 technicians, 11 people fired for having drugs in their system.
//wouldn't you if you would spend 8 hours digging? on the plus side I became a senior technician not even 6 months of working there :)

We'll deserved. I don't want any potheads working for me. You can do it on your "personal time", but the truth is that effects longer for days, and are cumulative.

So you don't hire alcoholics either, right? Because otherwise you're just a hypocrite.

Not knowingly, no. All things in moderation, and moderation in some things is much less than others. Subjective, yes, but that's my right as an employer. I pay well over industry average and expect more in return.


I can understand how you have so many mistaken beliefs.
You have been lied to for your entire life, by experts with that "authority" thing going for them, which is not good at all.
Please accept reeducation as it rears it's righteous head.
 
2013-12-21 01:01:24 PM  
When the field sobriety analysis is, "we just can't tell if they are high or not", take a farking hint.
 
2013-12-21 01:05:19 PM  

Billy Bathsalt: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: If I owned a company I certainly wouldn't hire any potheads any more than I'd hire an alcoholic.

So, no creative people.


Pretty much - Im guessing he doesnt work in media. Good luck finding a video editor who doesnt smoke pot.
 
2013-12-21 01:12:53 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Livinglush: The My Little Pony Killer: Livinglush: Misconduc: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

Yeah I'd like to tell Walmart something about that, they are farking idiots. Back when I was 17 I wanted a part time job stocking shelves at walmart, I went in for the interview on a friday afternoon. Boss said yer hired! get a drug test and you can start tuesday.
No clinic was open on Saturday or Sunday, and Monday was a Holiday... Guess what happens if you cant get a drug test in 72 hours? Sorry! don't apply at walmart for 6 months.

I laugh at all the potheads who think they can miss clear and get away with it, it works great until you get "fired" for drugs, most companies won't even go near you because you are a liability.

/On a funny note, I was a cable installer a few years ago making $800 a week cash, after 4 months they did random drug testing on everyone, my department went from 13 installers and 2 technicians to 2 installers and 2 technicians, 11 people fired for having drugs in their system.
//wouldn't you if you would spend 8 hours digging? on the plus side I became a senior technician not even 6 months of working there :)

We'll deserved. I don't want any potheads working for me. You can do it on your "personal time", but the truth is that effects longer for days, and are cumulative.

So you don't hire alcoholics either, right? Because otherwise you're just a hypocrite.

Not knowingly, no. All things in moderation, and moderation in some things is much less than others. Subjective, yes, but that's my right as an employer. I pay well over industry average and expect more in return.

I'm also guessing you employ and have employed many "potheads" that you have zero clue were smokers.


Shhhhhh!  Once employers find out that a drug test is so easy and cheap to rig that a high school student can do it the jig is up!

How the hell will we be able to deal with their unbearably smug self-centrism at work if they actually find a way to stop us from getting stoned in our car in the parking lot?


/loose lips sink spliffs!
 
2013-12-21 01:16:34 PM  

Livinglush: The My Little Pony Killer: Livinglush: Misconduc: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

Yeah I'd like to tell Walmart something about that, they are farking idiots. Back when I was 17 I wanted a part time job stocking shelves at walmart, I went in for the interview on a friday afternoon. Boss said yer hired! get a drug test and you can start tuesday.
No clinic was open on Saturday or Sunday, and Monday was a Holiday... Guess what happens if you cant get a drug test in 72 hours? Sorry! don't apply at walmart for 6 months.

I laugh at all the potheads who think they can miss clear and get away with it, it works great until you get "fired" for drugs, most companies won't even go near you because you are a liability.

/On a funny note, I was a cable installer a few years ago making $800 a week cash, after 4 months they did random drug testing on everyone, my department went from 13 installers and 2 technicians to 2 installers and 2 technicians, 11 people fired for having drugs in their system.
//wouldn't you if you would spend 8 hours digging? on the plus side I became a senior technician not even 6 months of working there :)

We'll deserved. I don't want any potheads working for me. You can do it on your "personal time", but the truth is that effects longer for days, and are cumulative.

So you don't hire alcoholics either, right? Because otherwise you're just a hypocrite.

Not knowingly, no. All things in moderation, and moderation in some things is much less than others. Subjective, yes, but that's my right as an employer. I pay well over industry average and expect more in return.


So that's a 'yes' to the you're a hypocrite part of my comment then.
 
2013-12-21 01:21:00 PM  

Livinglush: Misconduc: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

Yeah I'd like to tell Walmart something about that, they are farking idiots. Back when I was 17 I wanted a part time job stocking shelves at walmart, I went in for the interview on a friday afternoon. Boss said yer hired! get a drug test and you can start tuesday.
No clinic was open on Saturday or Sunday, and Monday was a Holiday... Guess what happens if you cant get a drug test in 72 hours? Sorry! don't apply at walmart for 6 months.

I laugh at all the potheads who think they can miss clear and get away with it, it works great until you get "fired" for drugs, most companies won't even go near you because you are a liability.

/On a funny note, I was a cable installer a few years ago making $800 a week cash, after 4 months they did random drug testing on everyone, my department went from 13 installers and 2 technicians to 2 installers and 2 technicians, 11 people fired for having drugs in their system.
//wouldn't you if you would spend 8 hours digging? on the plus side I became a senior technician not even 6 months of working there :)

We'll deserved. I don't want any potheads working for me. You can do it on your "personal time", but the truth is that effects longer for days, and are cumulative.


Says Nancy, while perched on Mr. T's lap...

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/man -sets-marijuana-record-smokes-115000 -joints-provided/story?id=9159281
 
2013-12-21 01:21:28 PM  
Just ordered some Cherry Pie off the new silk road so this thread is relevant to my interests

/I'm dreaming of a green Christmas
 
2013-12-21 01:22:03 PM  

skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.


I have no idea about government job urine tests, but I've never had a supervised, pre-screening urine test. This is ridiculously easy to get around. With a small amount of foresight, random tests are as easily circumvented.

Or so I am told.
Just say no, or something.
 
2013-12-21 01:23:37 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Livinglush: The My Little Pony Killer: Livinglush: Misconduc: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

Yeah I'd like to tell Walmart something about that, they are farking idiots. Back when I was 17 I wanted a part time job stocking shelves at walmart, I went in for the interview on a friday afternoon. Boss said yer hired! get a drug test and you can start tuesday.
No clinic was open on Saturday or Sunday, and Monday was a Holiday... Guess what happens if you cant get a drug test in 72 hours? Sorry! don't apply at walmart for 6 months.

I laugh at all the potheads who think they can miss clear and get away with it, it works great until you get "fired" for drugs, most companies won't even go near you because you are a liability.

/On a funny note, I was a cable installer a few years ago making $800 a week cash, after 4 months they did random drug testing on everyone, my department went from 13 installers and 2 technicians to 2 installers and 2 technicians, 11 people fired for having drugs in their system.
//wouldn't you if you would spend 8 hours digging? on the plus side I became a senior technician not even 6 months of working there :)

We'll deserved. I don't want any potheads working for me. You can do it on your "personal time", but the truth is that effects longer for days, and are cumulative.

So you don't hire alcoholics either, right? Because otherwise you're just a hypocrite.

Not knowingly, no. All things in moderation, and moderation in some things is much less than others. Subjective, yes, but that's my right as an employer. I pay well over industry average and expect more in return.

So that's a 'yes' to the you're a hypocrite part of my comment then.


Think what you like, it's your right. Doesn't affect me one bit. I do detect a bit of bitterness on your part though.
 
2013-12-21 01:25:35 PM  

mutterfark: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

I have no idea about government job urine tests, but I've never had a supervised, pre-screening urine test. This is ridiculously easy to get around. With a small amount of foresight, random tests are as easily circumvented.

Or so I am told.
Just say no, or something.


Them machines gotta be calibrated somehow, right?
 
2013-12-21 01:30:40 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Livinglush: Misconduc: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

Yeah I'd like to tell Walmart something about that, they are farking idiots. Back when I was 17 I wanted a part time job stocking shelves at walmart, I went in for the interview on a friday afternoon. Boss said yer hired! get a drug test and you can start tuesday.
No clinic was open on Saturday or Sunday, and Monday was a Holiday... Guess what happens if you cant get a drug test in 72 hours? Sorry! don't apply at walmart for 6 months.

I laugh at all the potheads who think they can miss clear and get away with it, it works great until you get "fired" for drugs, most companies won't even go near you because you are a liability.

/On a funny note, I was a cable installer a few years ago making $800 a week cash, after 4 months they did random drug testing on everyone, my department went from 13 installers and 2 technicians to 2 installers and 2 technicians, 11 people fired for having drugs in their system.
//wouldn't you if you would spend 8 hours digging? on the plus side I became a senior technician not even 6 months of working there :)

We'll deserved. I don't want any potheads working for me. You can do it on your "personal time", but the truth is that effects longer for days, and are cumulative.

So you don't hire alcoholics either, right? Because otherwise you're just a hypocrite.


The thing is - people who have real problems with drugs don't disclose it.  Since weed is mostly illegal, it becomes a catch-22.  A responsible pot smoker goes to a job interview and doesn't mention anything remotely related to pot.  Everyone sees him as 'not a drug user'.  The only people who they do see as drug users are the ones with problems.  They show up to work high or spend all day talking about drugs.  Boss notices that employees who use drugs are all problem employees and concludes that drug use makes them bad and that he/she shouldn't hire drug users.

They don't realize that they don't know if their star employees are using drugs....they just know they don't have any problems with drugs that they bring to work.
 
2013-12-21 01:32:40 PM  

Livinglush: Misconduc: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

Yeah I'd like to tell Walmart something about that, they are farking idiots. Back when I was 17 I wanted a part time job stocking shelves at walmart, I went in for the interview on a friday afternoon. Boss said yer hired! get a drug test and you can start tuesday.
No clinic was open on Saturday or Sunday, and Monday was a Holiday... Guess what happens if you cant get a drug test in 72 hours? Sorry! don't apply at walmart for 6 months.

I laugh at all the potheads who think they can miss clear and get away with it, it works great until you get "fired" for drugs, most companies won't even go near you because you are a liability.

/On a funny note, I was a cable installer a few years ago making $800 a week cash, after 4 months they did random drug testing on everyone, my department went from 13 installers and 2 technicians to 2 installers and 2 technicians, 11 people fired for having drugs in their system.
//wouldn't you if you would spend 8 hours digging? on the plus side I became a senior technician not even 6 months of working there :)

We'll deserved. I don't want any potheads working for me. You can do it on your "personal time", but the truth is that effects longer for days, and are cumulative.


I like how "personal time" is in quotes. Is this to suggest they are doing it on the job? Or perhaps that you believe companies own their employees, and there is no such thing as "personal time."
 
2013-12-21 01:32:50 PM  

radarlove: mutterfark: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

I have no idea about government job urine tests, but I've never had a supervised, pre-screening urine test. This is ridiculously easy to get around. With a small amount of foresight, random tests are as easily circumvented.

Or so I am told.
Just say no, or something.

Them machines gotta be calibrated somehow, right?


No. The test is for metabolites, not urine.
 
2013-12-21 01:34:08 PM  
farm4.staticflickr.com
 
2013-12-21 01:34:18 PM  

Crazy Lee: Livinglush: Misconduc: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

Yeah I'd like to tell Walmart something about that, they are farking idiots. Back when I was 17 I wanted a part time job stocking shelves at walmart, I went in for the interview on a friday afternoon. Boss said yer hired! get a drug test and you can start tuesday.
No clinic was open on Saturday or Sunday, and Monday was a Holiday... Guess what happens if you cant get a drug test in 72 hours? Sorry! don't apply at walmart for 6 months.

I laugh at all the potheads who think they can miss clear and get away with it, it works great until you get "fired" for drugs, most companies won't even go near you because you are a liability.

/On a funny note, I was a cable installer a few years ago making $800 a week cash, after 4 months they did random drug testing on everyone, my department went from 13 installers and 2 technicians to 2 installers and 2 technicians, 11 people fired for having drugs in their system.
//wouldn't you if you would spend 8 hours digging? on the plus side I became a senior technician not even 6 months of working there :)

We'll deserved. I don't want any potheads working for me. You can do it on your "personal time", but the truth is that effects longer for days, and are cumulative.

Says Nancy, while perched on Mr. T's lap...

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/man -sets-marijuana-record-smokes-115000 -joints-provided/story?id=9159281


"I don't get high. I need the medicine; I'm not getting any euphoria," he said.

I don't doubt that he needs it for his condition, but this is a lie.
 
2013-12-21 01:39:50 PM  

Livinglush: The My Little Pony Killer: Livinglush: The My Little Pony Killer: Livinglush: Misconduc: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

Yeah I'd like to tell Walmart something about that, they are farking idiots. Back when I was 17 I wanted a part time job stocking shelves at walmart, I went in for the interview on a friday afternoon. Boss said yer hired! get a drug test and you can start tuesday.
No clinic was open on Saturday or Sunday, and Monday was a Holiday... Guess what happens if you cant get a drug test in 72 hours? Sorry! don't apply at walmart for 6 months.

I laugh at all the potheads who think they can miss clear and get away with it, it works great until you get "fired" for drugs, most companies won't even go near you because you are a liability.

/On a funny note, I was a cable installer a few years ago making $800 a week cash, after 4 months they did random drug testing on everyone, my department went from 13 installers and 2 technicians to 2 installers and 2 technicians, 11 people fired for having drugs in their system.
//wouldn't you if you would spend 8 hours digging? on the plus side I became a senior technician not even 6 months of working there :)

We'll deserved. I don't want any potheads working for me. You can do it on your "personal time", but the truth is that effects longer for days, and are cumulative.

So you don't hire alcoholics either, right? Because otherwise you're just a hypocrite.

Not knowingly, no. All things in moderation, and moderation in some things is much less than others. Subjective, yes, but that's my right as an employer. I pay well over industry average and expect more in return.

So that's a 'yes' to the you're a hypocrite part of my comment then.

Think what you like, it's your right. Doesn't affect me one bit. I do detect a bit of bitterness on your part though.


Ahh, projection. I see you're no longer interested in conversation.

Good day.
 
2013-12-21 01:41:28 PM  

mutterfark: radarlove: mutterfark: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

I have no idea about government job urine tests, but I've never had a supervised, pre-screening urine test. This is ridiculously easy to get around. With a small amount of foresight, random tests are as easily circumvented.

Or so I am told.
Just say no, or something.

Them machines gotta be calibrated somehow, right?

No. The test is for metabolites, not urine.


And most, ahem, "calibration solutions" on the market are specifically formulated for that, sir.  Otherwise, they wouldn't "calibrate" the machine.  Doesn't matter the medium, either.

They ask for a swab, there's a special mouthwash.
They ask for hair, there's a special shampoo.
They wanna see your cock while you piss, they make those too.

Dunno about the possibility of "calibrating" blood tests, but good luck getting that one to fly with your employees to begin with.  Governmental jobs could be a different story, though.
 
2013-12-21 01:42:01 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Livinglush: The My Little Pony Killer: Livinglush: The My Little Pony Killer: Livinglush: Misconduc: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

Yeah I'd like to tell Walmart something about that, they are farking idiots. Back when I was 17 I wanted a part time job stocking shelves at walmart, I went in for the interview on a friday afternoon. Boss said yer hired! get a drug test and you can start tuesday.
No clinic was open on Saturday or Sunday, and Monday was a Holiday... Guess what happens if you cant get a drug test in 72 hours? Sorry! don't apply at walmart for 6 months.

I laugh at all the potheads who think they can miss clear and get away with it, it works great until you get "fired" for drugs, most companies won't even go near you because you are a liability.

/On a funny note, I was a cable installer a few years ago making $800 a week cash, after 4 months they did random drug testing on everyone, my department went from 13 installers and 2 technicians to 2 installers and 2 technicians, 11 people fired for having drugs in their system.
//wouldn't you if you would spend 8 hours digging? on the plus side I became a senior technician not even 6 months of working there :)

We'll deserved. I don't want any potheads working for me. You can do it on your "personal time", but the truth is that effects longer for days, and are cumulative.

So you don't hire alcoholics either, right? Because otherwise you're just a hypocrite.

Not knowingly, no. All things in moderation, and moderation in some things is much less than others. Subjective, yes, but that's my right as an employer. I pay well over industry average and expect more in return.

So that's a 'yes' to the you're a hypocrite part of my comment then.

Think what you like, it's your right. Doesn't affect me one bit. I do detect a bit of bitterness on your part though.

Ahh, projection. I see you're no longer interested in conversation.

Good day.


Says the person whose idea of conversations was name calling?
 
2013-12-21 01:44:39 PM  

Livinglush: "I don't get high. I need the medicine; I'm not getting any euphoria," he said.

I don't doubt that he needs it for his condition, but this is a lie.


There are strains specifically bred to have no psychoactive effects, actually.  And a person who uses a huge amount of cannabis to begin with develops a strong tolerance to those psychoactive effects to begin with.  So no, he is not necessarily lying.
 
2013-12-21 01:46:47 PM  

MayoSlather: Livinglush: Misconduc: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

Yeah I'd like to tell Walmart something about that, they are farking idiots. Back when I was 17 I wanted a part time job stocking shelves at walmart, I went in for the interview on a friday afternoon. Boss said yer hired! get a drug test and you can start tuesday.
No clinic was open on Saturday or Sunday, and Monday was a Holiday... Guess what happens if you cant get a drug test in 72 hours? Sorry! don't apply at walmart for 6 months.

I laugh at all the potheads who think they can miss clear and get away with it, it works great until you get "fired" for drugs, most companies won't even go near you because you are a liability.

/On a funny note, I was a cable installer a few years ago making $800 a week cash, after 4 months they did random drug testing on everyone, my department went from 13 installers and 2 technicians to 2 installers and 2 technicians, 11 people fired for having drugs in their system.
//wouldn't you if you would spend 8 hours digging? on the plus side I became a senior technician not even 6 months of working there :)

We'll deserved. I don't want any potheads working for me. You can do it on your "personal time", but the truth is that effects longer for days, and are cumulative.

I like how "personal time" is in quotes. Is this to suggest they are doing it on the job? Or perhaps that you believe companies own their employees, and there is no such thing as "personal time."


It's because what you do on your personal time still affects your work time. If what you do at home affects your performance at work it is no longer personal. FYI I use quotes around "work hours" all the time as well, because as salaried employees, if my employees need to go to the doctor, to pick up their kids or run a personal errand, they can do so as long as it doesn't affect their performance overall.

I'm not seeing what you are missing. Are you trying to tell me that your choices should be allowed to affect my income and the income of those around me? Or are you saying we should all work harder to make up for the fact that you feel "mellow" today?
 
2013-12-21 01:46:47 PM  

Livinglush: Crazy Lee: Livinglush: Misconduc: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

Yeah I'd like to tell Walmart something about that, they are farking idiots. Back when I was 17 I wanted a part time job stocking shelves at walmart, I went in for the interview on a friday afternoon. Boss said yer hired! get a drug test and you can start tuesday.
No clinic was open on Saturday or Sunday, and Monday was a Holiday... Guess what happens if you cant get a drug test in 72 hours? Sorry! don't apply at walmart for 6 months.

I laugh at all the potheads who think they can miss clear and get away with it, it works great until you get "fired" for drugs, most companies won't even go near you because you are a liability.

/On a funny note, I was a cable installer a few years ago making $800 a week cash, after 4 months they did random drug testing on everyone, my department went from 13 installers and 2 technicians to 2 installers and 2 technicians, 11 people fired for having drugs in their system.
//wouldn't you if you would spend 8 hours digging? on the plus side I became a senior technician not even 6 months of working there :)

We'll deserved. I don't want any potheads working for me. You can do it on your "personal time", but the truth is that effects longer for days, and are cumulative.

Says Nancy, while perched on Mr. T's lap...

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/man -sets-marijuana-record-smokes-115000 -joints-provided/story?id=9159281

"I don't get high. I need the medicine; I'm not getting any euphoria," he said.

I don't doubt that he needs it for his condition, but this is a lie.


And what if it is?  Joker has been huffing 9 ounces of Uncle Sugar's 3.5% Delta Nine (certified) every month since 1982 (he just testified in KY month before last) and has been constantly employed as a stockbroker.  Any true `euphoria' he might be experiencing probably has to do with the fact that he is alive and fully functioning.  So, what's drug testing's actual purpose?  Why not rely on computerized performance testing (before clocking in one has to `beat' the computer - the tests are being used - either one's hand/eye coord & passing test measuring variables of attention - is met, or one doesn't clock-in - the cause of failure can be ferreted out after the fact - arguing all night with the old lady or too much Xanax...).
 
2013-12-21 01:48:27 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: If I owned a company I certainly wouldn't hire any potheads any more than I'd hire an alcoholic.


What's the difference between having a beer or two in the evening, and having a toke in the evening?

Moderate drinking does not an alcoholic make. Moderate use does not a "pothead" make.
 
2013-12-21 01:48:37 PM  

radarlove: mutterfark: radarlove: mutterfark: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

I have no idea about government job urine tests, but I've never had a supervised, pre-screening urine test. This is ridiculously easy to get around. With a small amount of foresight, random tests are as easily circumvented.

Or so I am told.
Just say no, or something.

Them machines gotta be calibrated somehow, right?

No. The test is for metabolites, not urine.

And most, ahem, "calibration solutions" on the market are specifically formulated for that, sir.  Otherwise, they wouldn't "calibrate" the machine.  Doesn't matter the medium, either.

They ask for a swab, there's a special mouthwash.
They ask for hair, there's a special shampoo.
They wanna see your cock while you piss, they make those too.

Dunno about the possibility of "calibrating" blood tests, but good luck getting that one to fly with your employees to begin with.  Governmental jobs could be a different story, though.


I'm sorry, I have no idea what you're talking about. Anything other than the standard five panel stick that they drop in the "urine" is generally reserved for something other than job screening. They do also check temperature. If you are referring to the gimmicks that claim to beat drug tests, I would say those are total BS. I was talking about simple job screening/random testing done at places like Best Buy and Home Depot among others.
 
2013-12-21 01:50:06 PM  

Crazy Lee: Livinglush: Crazy Lee: Livinglush: Misconduc: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

Yeah I'd like to tell Walmart something about that, they are farking idiots. Back when I was 17 I wanted a part time job stocking shelves at walmart, I went in for the interview on a friday afternoon. Boss said yer hired! get a drug test and you can start tuesday.
No clinic was open on Saturday or Sunday, and Monday was a Holiday... Guess what happens if you cant get a drug test in 72 hours? Sorry! don't apply at walmart for 6 months.

I laugh at all the potheads who think they can miss clear and get away with it, it works great until you get "fired" for drugs, most companies won't even go near you because you are a liability.

/On a funny note, I was a cable installer a few years ago making $800 a week cash, after 4 months they did random drug testing on everyone, my department went from 13 installers and 2 technicians to 2 installers and 2 technicians, 11 people fired for having drugs in their system.
//wouldn't you if you would spend 8 hours digging? on the plus side I became a senior technician not even 6 months of working there :)

We'll deserved. I don't want any potheads working for me. You can do it on your "personal time", but the truth is that effects longer for days, and are cumulative.

Says Nancy, while perched on Mr. T's lap...

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/man -sets-marijuana-record-smokes-115000 -joints-provided/story?id=9159281

"I don't get high. I need the medicine; I'm not getting any euphoria," he said.

I don't doubt that he needs it for his condition, but this is a lie.

And what if it is?  Joker has been huffing 9 ounces of Uncle Sugar's 3.5% Delta Nine (certified) every month since 1982 (he just testified in KY month before last) and has been constantly employed as a stockbroker.  Any true `euphoria' he might be experiencing probably has to do with the fact that he is alive and fully functioning.  So, what's drug testing's actual purpose?  Why not rely on computerized performance testing (before clocking in one has to `beat' the computer - the tests are being used - either one's hand/eye coord & passing test measuring variables of attention - is met, or one doesn't clock-in - the cause of failure can be ferreted out after the fact - arguing all night with the old lady or too much Xanax...).


I'm not opposed to it. I'm not against the drug or it's use, medically OR recreationally. I just don't think it's users have a right to affect the workplace negatively.
 
2013-12-21 01:53:11 PM  

mutterfark: I would say those are total BS.


You are very wrong.

And I am absolutely talking about pre-employment drug screening.  I also passed my drug test at MEPS this way.
 
2013-12-21 01:54:22 PM  

Misconduc: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

That's not true at all. Alcohol is a drug, and employers don't care if you drink on your own time, as long as you don't come to work drunk. It's going to take a few years for the culture to change, but it will happen.

If they can test to see if someones under the influence of POT while at work, then I will agree with you - but for now you can't test it, only see if someone has smoked in the previous few days/weeks.
Difference is Alcohol can be tested on the spot with a breath test, unless they can do that for POT then most companies will not hire you. Again because of liability issues.


There's a saliva test that is accurate for 24 hours or so after use that detects the active cannabinoids rather than the residual markers IIRC


/almost a 'breathalyzer'
 
2013-12-21 01:54:58 PM  

belhade: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: If I owned a company I certainly wouldn't hire any potheads any more than I'd hire an alcoholic.

What's the difference between having a beer or two in the evening, and having a toke in the evening?

Moderate drinking does not an alcoholic make. Moderate use does not a "pothead" make.


Hence why I said "alcoholic" and "pothead", not "social drinker" and "occasional weed smoker".
 
2013-12-21 01:59:22 PM  

Livinglush: It's because what you do on your personal time still affects your work time. If what you do at home affects your performance at work it is no longer personal. FYI I use quotes around "work hours" all the time as well, because as salaried employees, if my employees need to go to the doctor, to pick up their kids or run a personal errand, they can do so as long as it doesn't affect their performance overall.

I'm not seeing what you are missing. Are you trying to tell me that your choices should be allowed to affect my income and the income of those around me? Or are you saying we should all work harder to make up for the fact that you feel "mellow" today?


You've created quite a slippery slope. By that same logic an employer should be able to implement curfews, tell you what to eat, what type of person to be in a relationship with, and dictate that you only take up low risk hobbies. Drug use is no different, it can be used responsibly just like alcohol, or be abused where it becomes a detriment.
 
2013-12-21 01:59:35 PM  

radarlove: mutterfark: I would say those are total BS.

You are very wrong.

And I am absolutely talking about pre-employment drug screening.  I also passed my drug test at MEPS this way.


Wouldn't be the first time. I've had great success with low tech solutions.

For the record, I use marijuana, primarily for severe nerve pain due to severe congenital stenosis of the cervical canal. I am fused from C3-C7, and I would never even apply for a job where my use could impact others. This limits my job options, but so would having any number of other severe or chronic medical conditions. If you need strong pain killers every day to cope with severe pain, you should not be a bus driver, right?
 
2013-12-21 02:05:13 PM  

Misconduc: - but for now you can't test it, only see if someone has smoked in the previous few days/weeks.


There are now saliva test kits like this that will detect active THC and not the metabolites detected in urine tests.

Realistically, marijuana legalization won't become accepted in every state and by the Federal government if there isn't some sort of system in place to detect impairment while driving, similar to measuring BAC. Even though even the head of that particular department in the NHTSA admits they don't have a good idea what that level should be.
 
2013-12-21 02:05:27 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: belhade: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: If I owned a company I certainly wouldn't hire any potheads any more than I'd hire an alcoholic.

What's the difference between having a beer or two in the evening, and having a toke in the evening?

Moderate drinking does not an alcoholic make. Moderate use does not a "pothead" make.

Hence why I said "alcoholic" and "pothead", not "social drinker" and "occasional weed smoker".


To be fair, because there is still a stigma attached to marijuana the word "pothead" is often used to denote anyone that uses it. It's liberally applied to both the people that take a couple hits at a party on a weekend, and the wake and bake crowd.
 
2013-12-21 02:08:10 PM  

MayoSlather: Livinglush: It's because what you do on your personal time still affects your work time. If what you do at home affects your performance at work it is no longer personal. FYI I use quotes around "work hours" all the time as well, because as salaried employees, if my employees need to go to the doctor, to pick up their kids or run a personal errand, they can do so as long as it doesn't affect their performance overall.

I'm not seeing what you are missing. Are you trying to tell me that your choices should be allowed to affect my income and the income of those around me? Or are you saying we should all work harder to make up for the fact that you feel "mellow" today?

You've created quite a slippery slope. By that same logic an employer should be able to implement curfews, tell you what to eat, what type of person to be in a relationship with, and dictate that you only take up low risk hobbies. Drug use is no different, it can be used responsibly just like alcohol, or be abused where it becomes a detriment.


There is no slope, only reality.

If you aren't getting enough sleep and it affects your performance, a correction is needed.

If you keep ending up in the hospital because of your free diving with AIDS infected sharks while juggling chainsaws, a correction is needed.

You can do whatever you want with your life, but if it affects your work, correct or be asked to leave.

You don't have to like it, you can work elsewhere. If you can live a moderate lifestyle and work hard, I'll make it worth your while.

During the downturn my business lost over $250k a year for five years. I did not lay off one employee. I did not reduce salaries or benefits (even as costs rose.). I didn't even cancel the Christmas party. I DID go without a salary myself for three of those years, with a child and a stay at home wife. Don't I have a right to ask for commitment from my employees?
 
2013-12-21 02:09:31 PM  
China laughs.
/easy pickins ahead
 
2013-12-21 02:16:39 PM  

vbob: China laughs.
/easy pickins ahead

 starts coughing because of smog

/ftfy
 
2013-12-21 02:31:18 PM  

Livinglush: MayoSlather: Livinglush: It's because what you do on your personal time still affects your work time. If what you do at home affects your performance at work it is no longer personal. FYI I use quotes around "work hours" all the time as well, because as salaried employees, if my employees need to go to the doctor, to pick up their kids or run a personal errand, they can do so as long as it doesn't affect their performance overall.

I'm not seeing what you are missing. Are you trying to tell me that your choices should be allowed to affect my income and the income of those around me? Or are you saying we should all work harder to make up for the fact that you feel "mellow" today?

You've created quite a slippery slope. By that same logic an employer should be able to implement curfews, tell you what to eat, what type of person to be in a relationship with, and dictate that you only take up low risk hobbies. Drug use is no different, it can be used responsibly just like alcohol, or be abused where it becomes a detriment.

There is no slope, only reality.

If you aren't getting enough sleep and it affects your performance, a correction is needed.

If you keep ending up in the hospital because of your free diving with AIDS infected sharks while juggling chainsaws, a correction is needed.

You can do whatever you want with your life, but if it affects your work, correct or be asked to leave.

You don't have to like it, you can work elsewhere. If you can live a moderate lifestyle and work hard, I'll make it worth your while.

During the downturn my business lost over $250k a year for five years. I did not lay off one employee. I did not reduce salaries or benefits (even as costs rose.). I didn't even cancel the Christmas party. I DID go without a salary myself for three of those years, with a child and a stay at home wife. Don't I have a right to ask for commitment from my employees?


You basically just parrotted what I said at the end of my last post except from what I gathered from your previous post you're against employees being potheads, which is to allude to the idea that the marijuana use has direct correlation to lower job performance. My point is that it's fine as long as it's used responsibility. And as long as your employees get their work done in a timely and competent manner then why would you care what they're doing in their personal time.
 
2013-12-21 02:31:24 PM  

Livinglush: MayoSlather: Livinglush: It's because what you do on your personal time still affects your work time. If what you do at home affects your performance at work it is no longer personal. FYI I use quotes around "work hours" all the time as well, because as salaried employees, if my employees need to go to the doctor, to pick up their kids or run a personal errand, they can do so as long as it doesn't affect their performance overall.

I'm not seeing what you are missing. Are you trying to tell me that your choices should be allowed to affect my income and the income of those around me? Or are you saying we should all work harder to make up for the fact that you feel "mellow" today?

You've created quite a slippery slope. By that same logic an employer should be able to implement curfews, tell you what to eat, what type of person to be in a relationship with, and dictate that you only take up low risk hobbies. Drug use is no different, it can be used responsibly just like alcohol, or be abused where it becomes a detriment.

There is no slope, only reality.

If you aren't getting enough sleep and it affects your performance, a correction is needed.

If you keep ending up in the hospital because of your free diving with AIDS infected sharks while juggling chainsaws, a correction is needed.

You can do whatever you want with your life, but if it affects your work, correct or be asked to leave.

You don't have to like it, you can work elsewhere. If you can live a moderate lifestyle and work hard, I'll make it worth your while.

During the downturn my business lost over $250k a year for five years. I did not lay off one employee. I did not reduce salaries or benefits (even as costs rose.). I didn't even cancel the Christmas party. I DID go without a salary myself for three of those years, with a child and a stay at home wife. Don't I have a right to ask for commitment from my employees?


Do you not see the problem with not demonstrating impairment but relying in a piss test to "OMG, he is was high!"?
 
2013-12-21 02:42:14 PM  
Assuming this reply was to someone else?
 
2013-12-21 02:43:47 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: If I owned a company I certainly wouldn't hire any potheads any more than I'd hire an alcoholic.


Trolltastic!
 
2013-12-21 02:43:51 PM  

MayoSlather: Livinglush: MayoSlather: Livinglush: It's because what you do on your personal time still affects your work time. If what you do at home affects your performance at work it is no longer personal. FYI I use quotes around "work hours" all the time as well, because as salaried employees, if my employees need to go to the doctor, to pick up their kids or run a personal errand, they can do so as long as it doesn't affect their performance overall.

I'm not seeing what you are missing. Are you trying to tell me that your choices should be allowed to affect my income and the income of those around me? Or are you saying we should all work harder to make up for the fact that you feel "mellow" today?

You've created quite a slippery slope. By that same logic an employer should be able to implement curfews, tell you what to eat, what type of person to be in a relationship with, and dictate that you only take up low risk hobbies. Drug use is no different, it can be used responsibly just like alcohol, or be abused where it becomes a detriment.

There is no slope, only reality.

If you aren't getting enough sleep and it affects your performance, a correction is needed.

If you keep ending up in the hospital because of your free diving with AIDS infected sharks while juggling chainsaws, a correction is needed.

You can do whatever you want with your life, but if it affects your work, correct or be asked to leave.

You don't have to like it, you can work elsewhere. If you can live a moderate lifestyle and work hard, I'll make it worth your while.

During the downturn my business lost over $250k a year for five years. I did not lay off one employee. I did not reduce salaries or benefits (even as costs rose.). I didn't even cancel the Christmas party. I DID go without a salary myself for three of those years, with a child and a stay at home wife. Don't I have a right to ask for commitment from my employees?

You basically just parrotted what I said at the end of my last post except from what I gathered from your previous post you're against employees being potheads, which is to allude to the idea that the marijuana use has direct correlation to lower job performance. My point is that it's fine as long as it's used responsibility. And as long as your employees get their work done in a timely and competent manner then why would you care what they're doing in their personal time.


I'm not ALLUDING to anything. I'm stating that excess use of any recreational substance wil affect job performance.
 
2013-12-21 02:55:53 PM  

Livinglush: MayoSlather: Livinglush: MayoSlather: Livinglush: It's because what you do on your personal time still affects your work time. If what you do at home affects your performance at work it is no longer personal. FYI I use quotes around "work hours" all the time as well, because as salaried employees, if my employees need to go to the doctor, to pick up their kids or run a personal errand, they can do so as long as it doesn't affect their performance overall.


You basically just parrotted what I said at the end of ...
I'm not ALLUDING to anything. I'm stating that excess use of any recreational substance wil affect job performance.


Accepted.
Implied is a qualitative/quantitative scaling of "performance".
So where is the measurement of "performance" before hiring?
Is there a "performance" selection to "drug" testing, why random?
 
2013-12-21 02:59:29 PM  

radarlove: LeroyBourne: I don't smoke anymore.  I just don't like the feeling of being high, but I love the smell and taste.  I wonder if that Charlotte's Web stuff still smells and tastes like weed.

It does.  At least it certainly did during the final stages of the hybridization.  Mellow, sweet, almost grapey.  Absolutely no psychoactive effects whatsoever.  Amazing strain.


Clicks profile*  Ahh, I figured as much.  Thanks for the info.  If/when it comes to my side of town I'll pick up some and give it a try.
 
2013-12-21 03:10:24 PM  
Livinglush:

Dude, you been lied to so long, your paradigms are are going to take a lot of work to get enlightened.
Sooner, you start, sooner you move on.
 
2013-12-21 03:35:20 PM  
Livinglush

[clip]
We'll deserved. I don't want any potheads working for me. You can do it on your "personal time", but the truth is that effects longer for days, and are cumulative.

Says Nancy, while perched on Mr. T's lap...

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/man -sets-marijuana-record-smokes-115000 -joints-provided/story?id=9159281

"I don't get high. I need the medicine; I'm not getting any euphoria," he said.

I don't doubt that he needs it for his condition, but this is a lie.

And what if it is?  Joker has been huffing 9 ounces of Uncle Sugar's 3.5% Delta Nine (certified) every month since 1982 (he just testified in KY month before last) and has been constantly employed as a stockbroker.  Any true `euphoria' he might be experiencing probably has to do with the fact that he is alive and fully functioning.  So, what's drug testing's actual purpose?  Why not rely on computerized performance testing (before clocking in one has to `beat' the computer - the tests are being used - either one's hand/eye coord & passing test measuring variables of attention - is met, or one doesn't clock-in - the cause of failure can be ferreted out after the fact - arguing all night with the old lady or too much Xanax...).

I'm not opposed to it. I'm not against the drug or it's use, medically OR recreationally. I just don't think it's users have a right to affect the workplace negatively


So, in Rosenfeld's case, you'd want him to be subjected to a quantitative test of his THC level to insure he had a substantial enough amount of the THC on board to perform his tasks as a stockbroker in the manner in which you, as the employer, had come to rely on?  I mean, if he wasn't smoking enough, might not his trades for clients drop off or otherwise suffer?

Actual performance, not pi*s implied bullshiat is all that matters
 
2013-12-21 03:49:39 PM  

Livinglush: The My Little Pony Killer: Livinglush: The My Little Pony Killer: Livinglush: The My Little Pony Killer: Livinglush: Misconduc: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

Yeah I'd like to tell Walmart something about that, they are farking idiots. Back when I was 17 I wanted a part time job stocking shelves at walmart, I went in for the interview on a friday afternoon. Boss said yer hired! get a drug test and you can start tuesday.
No clinic was open on Saturday or Sunday, and Monday was a Holiday... Guess what happens if you cant get a drug test in 72 hours? Sorry! don't apply at walmart for 6 months.

I laugh at all the potheads who think they can miss clear and get away with it, it works great until you get "fired" for drugs, most companies won't even go near you because you are a liability.

/On a funny note, I was a cable installer a few years ago making $800 a week cash, after 4 months they did random drug testing on everyone, my department went from 13 installers and 2 technicians to 2 installers and 2 technicians, 11 people fired for having drugs in their system.
//wouldn't you if you would spend 8 hours digging? on the plus side I became a senior technician not even 6 months of working there :)

We'll deserved. I don't want any potheads working for me. You can do it on your "personal time", but the truth is that effects longer for days, and are cumulative.

So you don't hire alcoholics either, right? Because otherwise you're just a hypocrite.

Not knowingly, no. All things in moderation, and moderation in some things is much less than others. Subjective, yes, but that's my right as an employer. I pay well over industry average and expect more in return.

So that's a 'yes' to the you're a hypocrite part of my comment then.

Think what you like, it's your right. Doesn't affect me one bit. I do detect a bit of bitterness on your part though.

Ahh, projection. I see you're no longer interested in conversa ...


Point to the post where I called you a name. Do it so that I can show you where in your OP you started the name calling and embarrass you further.
 
2013-12-21 03:53:21 PM  

Crazy Lee: Livinglush

[clip]
We'll deserved. I don't want any potheads working for me. You can do it on your "personal time", but the truth is that effects longer for days, and are cumulative.

Says Nancy, while perched on Mr. T's lap...

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/man -sets-marijuana-record-smokes-115000 -joints-provided/story?id=9159281

"I don't get high. I need the medicine; I'm not getting any euphoria," he said.

I don't doubt that he needs it for his condition, but this is a lie.

And what if it is?  Joker has been huffing 9 ounces of Uncle Sugar's 3.5% Delta Nine (certified) every month since 1982 (he just testified in KY month before last) and has been constantly employed as a stockbroker.  Any true `euphoria' he might be experiencing probably has to do with the fact that he is alive and fully functioning.  So, what's drug testing's actual purpose?  Why not rely on computerized performance testing (before clocking in one has to `beat' the computer - the tests are being used - either one's hand/eye coord & passing test measuring variables of attention - is met, or one doesn't clock-in - the cause of failure can be ferreted out after the fact - arguing all night with the old lady or too much Xanax...).

I'm not opposed to it. I'm not against the drug or it's use, medically OR recreationally. I just don't think it's users have a right to affect the workplace negatively

So, in Rosenfeld's case, you'd want him to be subjected to a quantitative test of his THC level to insure he had a substantial enough amount of the THC on board to perform his tasks as a stockbroker in the manner in which you, as the employer, had come to rely on?  I mean, if he wasn't smoking enough, might not his trades for clients drop off or otherwise suffer?

Actual performance, not pi*s implied bullshiat is all that matters


He doesn't have a problem with pot. Weren't you listening? He just has a problem with the giant strawmen he's been building up for himself this entire thread.
 
2013-12-21 03:54:43 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Point to the post where I called you a name. Do it so that I can show you where in your OP you started the name calling and embarrass you further.


Forget it. He didn't go three years without salary. He doesn't pay his employees above industry standard. In fact, he doesn't even own a business.

He knows this. I know this. Now you know this.

Besides, name calling lies in the figurative. Like calling somebody a poopy-head knowing full well their head is not poopy. Calling him a hypocrite is the same as calling somebody walking down the street a pedestrian. It's just the word we use to describe what somebody is.
 
2013-12-21 04:17:24 PM  

Misconduc: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

That's not true at all. Alcohol is a drug, and employers don't care if you drink on your own time, as long as you don't come to work drunk. It's going to take a few years for the culture to change, but it will happen.

If they can test to see if someones under the influence of POT while at work, then I will agree with you - but for now you can't test it, only see if someone has smoked in the previous few days/weeks.
Difference is Alcohol can be tested on the spot with a breath test, unless they can do that for POT then most companies will not hire you. Again because of liability issues.


Not true anymore. They can test for levels of cannaboids in your system. Not a sure fire test, but theres progress.
 
2013-12-21 04:23:16 PM  

Livinglush: Misconduc: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

Yeah I'd like to tell Walmart something about that, they are farking idiots. Back when I was 17 I wanted a part time job stocking shelves at walmart, I went in for the interview on a friday afternoon. Boss said yer hired! get a drug test and you can start tuesday.
No clinic was open on Saturday or Sunday, and Monday was a Holiday... Guess what happens if you cant get a drug test in 72 hours? Sorry! don't apply at walmart for 6 months.

I laugh at all the potheads who think they can miss clear and get away with it, it works great until you get "fired" for drugs, most companies won't even go near you because you are a liability.

/On a funny note, I was a cable installer a few years ago making $800 a week cash, after 4 months they did random drug testing on everyone, my department went from 13 installers and 2 technicians to 2 installers and 2 technicians, 11 people fired for having drugs in their system.
//wouldn't you if you would spend 8 hours digging? on the plus side I became a senior technician not even 6 months of working there :)

We'll deserved. I don't want any potheads working for me. You can do it on your "personal time", but the truth is that effects longer for days, and are cumulative.


No. Completely wrong. Go back and do it again.
 
2013-12-21 04:31:29 PM  
The random drug test is useful only to determine if you believe that the rules (ALL of them, even the "stupid" ones and the difficult to enforce ones) apply to you.

In an injury situation for example, a positive drug test supports the idea that the employee may have ignored some "unnecessary" precaution they didn't agree with.

/Devil's advocate position above. Inflexible/authoritarian management styles create helplesss employees who need babysitting and are only necessary if you're hiring the wrong people.
//If you can't trust someone to NOT be farked up at work, proving they didn't smoke weed in the last 2 weeks isn't solving your problem
 
2013-12-21 05:45:04 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: If I owned a company I certainly wouldn't hire any potheads any more than I'd hire an alcoholic.


You're an idiot.
 
2013-12-21 06:26:17 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: belhade: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: If I owned a company I certainly wouldn't hire any potheads any more than I'd hire an alcoholic.

What's the difference between having a beer or two in the evening, and having a toke in the evening?

Moderate drinking does not an alcoholic make. Moderate use does not a "pothead" make.

Hence why I said "alcoholic" and "pothead", not "social drinker" and "occasional weed smoker".


Just making sure. Some people don't bother making the distinction.
 
2013-12-21 06:48:51 PM  

Livinglush: MayoSlather: Livinglush: Misconduc: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

Yeah I'd like to tell Walmart something about that, they are farking idiots. Back when I was 17 I wanted a part time job stocking shelves at walmart, I went in for the interview on a friday afternoon. Boss said yer hired! get a drug test and you can start tuesday.
No clinic was open on Saturday or Sunday, and Monday was a Holiday... Guess what happens if you cant get a drug test in 72 hours? Sorry! don't apply at walmart for 6 months.

I laugh at all the potheads who think they can miss clear and get away with it, it works great until you get "fired" for drugs, most companies won't even go near you because you are a liability.

/On a funny note, I was a cable installer a few years ago making $800 a week cash, after 4 months they did random drug testing on everyone, my department went from 13 installers and 2 technicians to 2 installers and 2 technicians, 11 people fired for having drugs in their system.
//wouldn't you if you would spend 8 hours digging? on the plus side I became a senior technician not even 6 months of working there :)

We'll deserved. I don't want any potheads working for me. You can do it on your "personal time", but the truth is that effects longer for days, and are cumulative.

I like how "personal time" is in quotes. Is this to suggest they are doing it on the job? Or perhaps that you believe companies own their employees, and there is no such thing as "personal time."

It's because what you do on your personal time still affects your work time. If what you do at home affects your performance at work it is no longer personal. FYI I use quotes around "work hours" all the time as well, because as salaried employees, if my employees need to go to the doctor, to pick up their kids or run a personal errand, they can do so as long as it doesn't affect their performance overall.

I'm not seeing what you are missing. Are you trying to tell me that your choices should be allowed to affect my income and the income of those around me? Or are you saying we should all work harder to make up for the fact that you feel "mellow" today?


Can't tell if serious or good troll. Either way, not bad, you are getting a few bites. 8/10
 
2013-12-21 07:35:05 PM  

Livinglush: I'm not seeing what you are missing. Are you trying to tell me that your choices should be allowed to affect my income and the income of those around me? Or are you saying we should all work harder to make up for the fact that you feel "mellow" today?


I think he might be trying to tell you that you're an ignorant bigot who is willing to let your employees use the drugs you like, but not the drugs you don't like.  The effects don't linger for days, nor are they cumulative-- this has been amply demonstrated by studies paid for by a government anxious to find any justification for its vicious war on some drugs.

It's clear that your company, if it exists, is not concerned with any product that requires a high degree of technical ability.  The computer you're bloviating on was basically invented and programmed by stoners.  There is almost no drug testing in the creative shops in Silicon Valley.  What do you suppose this means?
 
2013-12-21 07:37:57 PM  

Snarfangel: Burr: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

I worked for a company of about 500 people that did mostly data entry (I was in engineering services though).  They had a suggestion box and somebody put in "Random drug tests".

The owner of the company came out and said "We don't care what you do on your free time as long as it doesn't effect your work".  He probably know that if he did, most of his high school educated workforce would fail.

He could have periodically handed out a sheets that said things like "Please circle five effects of mescaline"  or "Name all the states where marijuana is legal." At the end of the year, give a prize to the person with the most right answers. Everyone is happy that way.


I worked for the SMWIA LU38 back in the 90s, they drug tested every apprentice, It was a written test (along the lines of a HS health class) that the instructor basically gave us the answers to just before the test. But, the union could legally say we all passed a drug test.
 
2013-12-21 08:00:04 PM  

Livinglush: MayoSlather: Livinglush: It's because what you do on your personal time still affects your work time. If what you do at home affects your performance at work it is no longer personal. FYI I use quotes around "work hours" all the time as well, because as salaried employees, if my employees need to go to the doctor, to pick up their kids or run a personal errand, they can do so as long as it doesn't affect their performance overall.

I'm not seeing what you are missing. Are you trying to tell me that your choices should be allowed to affect my income and the income of those around me? Or are you saying we should all work harder to make up for the fact that you feel "mellow" today?

You've created quite a slippery slope. By that same logic an employer should be able to implement curfews, tell you what to eat, what type of person to be in a relationship with, and dictate that you only take up low risk hobbies. Drug use is no different, it can be used responsibly just like alcohol, or be abused where it becomes a detriment.

There is no slope, only reality.

If you aren't getting enough sleep and it affects your performance, a correction is needed.

If you keep ending up in the hospital because of your free diving with AIDS infected sharks while juggling chainsaws, a correction is needed.

You can do whatever you want with your life, but if it affects your work, correct or be asked to leave.

You don't have to like it, you can work elsewhere. If you can live a moderate lifestyle and work hard, I'll make it worth your while.

During the downturn my business lost over $250k a year for five years. I did not lay off one employee. I did not reduce salaries or benefits (even as costs rose.). I didn't even cancel the Christmas party. I DID go without a salary myself for three of those years, with a child and a stay at home wife. Don't I have a right to ask for commitment from my employees?


So, you lost + $1 mil in 5 years, and you're worried about competent employees ?
 
2013-12-22 11:28:20 AM  

snocone: Livinglush:

Dude, you been lied to so long, your paradigms are are going to take a lot of work to get enlightened.
Sooner, you start, sooner you move on.


No, I get what he/she is saying.

Live an overly cautious and white bread life. Thinking of hiking the Grand Canyon during vacation time off? Consider that you may trip over a rock and break an ankle. That could mean a few days out of the office and what would upper management do without their weekly job creator blowjobs? Consider staying home instead, get your eight hours of sleep a night, and keep under two glasses of wine an evening so you can be fresh and at your most productive upon your return to work.

/Makes about as much sense.
 
2013-12-22 12:55:10 PM  
livinglush can fire his potheads because tests can detect it up to a very long time after usage (weeks to months depending on the test).  what it cant differentiate is whether his employees are a once a week or weekend only smoker vs a 1/2+oz a day real pothead.  he also can't reliably find the users of any other substance exponentially worse than pot.

also he should fire all the cigarette smokers.  they might infringe upon their life expectancy by getting cancer or emphysema and thus reducing their productive capacity to his business.  while we're at it, trans fats, diet, exercise, and any other optimum limiter are up for grabs.  (btw, this paragraph is just as ridiculous as his argument for firing his "potheads".)

basically he gets to live with his hypocrisy because pot's one huge detriment is it can be detected for long after its actual use.  but he has a right to it and that's all he needs to keep doing it.
 
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