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2013-12-20 07:03:33 PM
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Excellent
 
2013-12-20 07:06:44 PM
I would have read the second page of the article but, evidently, I'm not authorized to.
 
2013-12-20 07:06:59 PM
This is all I can see...

img.fark.net
 
2013-12-20 07:08:01 PM
"You are not authorized to access this page.  "

fark you subby and fark you modmin for greenlitting this!

:0
 
2013-12-20 07:10:20 PM
Is that because the label benefits from album sales / loses out from album piracy, and the band members get a far larger fraction of the revenue at live performances?
 
2013-12-20 07:24:36 PM
The link is fixed again.
 
2013-12-20 07:49:31 PM

Satanic_Hamster: "You are not authorized to access this page.  "

fark you subby and fark you modmin for greenlitting this!

:0


Works now. Hopefully they will re-green it.
 
2013-12-20 09:16:05 PM
RIAA: This is how you do it.  Maiden made US$2.5M in a single show by not being asshats.  Try to follow along.
 
2013-12-20 09:23:12 PM
Not sure why it took Iron Maiden so long to figure out they could be real successful in South America.  Dream Theater draws more people in their big cities than in the US big cities.  There's a big metalhead and concert going culture down there.  I wonder how difficult and expensive it is to buy CDs down there and if that might play a role in the torrenting.  Do they actually produce CDs down there that wouldn't be subject to the import fees?  A number of obscure European bands I like you can only get a physical CD with those big fees.  Which is why I go digital.
 
2013-12-20 09:24:23 PM
That's great! According to Forbes, Netflix does the same thing to figure out which shows to buy.
 
2013-12-20 09:28:41 PM

ChubbyTiger: RIAA: This is how you do it.  Maiden made US$2.5M in a single show by not being asshats.  Try to follow along.


But the RIAA is *all* about making sure the artists make their fair share! Don't you read their propaganda public statements? If not for the RIAA, all artists would be starving wanderers, trying to earn enough to buy something from the MickeyD's dollar menu for their single daily meal, because of all the pirates and thieves stealing from them!
 
2013-12-20 09:30:58 PM
In fairness, Maiden are already huge and established. How would a new young band, like, say, Airbourne or Heaven's Basement, get to Maiden's status?
 
2013-12-20 09:33:37 PM

StopLurkListen: Is that because the label benefits from album sales / loses out from album piracy, and the band members get a far larger fraction of the revenue at live performances?


You got it. Record industry killed itself years ago. Music has gone back to the pre-20th century paradigm, where the money is made playing live.

Though I'm sure the promoters will destroy that in the next few decades.
 
2013-12-20 09:36:02 PM
"Unlike the shift to Amazon that did in the book store chains, record stores are suffering from outright theft, and the migration to iTunes or Spotify streaming isn't making up the difference. "

Bahwatdafuq?

1) Because I can't get movies, games, books, comics or music from torrent sites.
2) Record stores are suffering MORE because of migration to iTunes and spotify(are there still record stores? Not like used record stores but real new music record stores?). Also, book stores didn't suddenly come back to life because amazon started. They died. The only issue is there was no Barnes and Noble for the music retail business. All the major outlet chains essentialy failed to come up with a standard that fit the new age. Blame the tower records twat and his ilk that refused to adapt when there was still time.
 
2013-12-20 09:37:10 PM

traxan: In fairness, Maiden are already huge and established. How would a new young band, like, say, Airbourne or Heaven's Basement, get to Maiden's status?


Chromatics have done a good job. I don't know much about them, but they've done a lot of good songs, they photograph well (especially Ruth), and they've done scads of videos for cheap.

If the "industry" still fails to pay attention to them, it's because they're not part of the "industry". But they seem to be on the road to fame.
 
2013-12-20 09:37:58 PM

ChubbyTiger: RIAA: This is how you do it.  Maiden made US$2.5M in a single show by not being asshats.  Try to follow along.


RIAA sees not a single dime of it. They'd be more likely to shut down gigs like this.
 
zez
2013-12-20 09:41:22 PM

traxan: In fairness, Maiden are already huge and established. How would a new young band, like, say, Airbourne or Heaven's Basement, get to Maiden's status?


I was wondering the same thing, but I guess you could have some stuff on youtube and then find out where most of the people watching lived at and then set your tour around that if possible.
 
2013-12-20 09:48:49 PM
And on my bucket list: See Maiden in Rio.
 
2013-12-20 09:57:02 PM

traxan: In fairness, Maiden are already huge and established. How would a new young band, like, say, Airbourne or Heaven's Basement, get to Maiden's status?


TV commercials. And even then, your Lady Gagas and Justin Timberlakes sell a single or three for commercials just before an album drop.
 
2013-12-20 09:58:43 PM

traxan: In fairness, Maiden are already huge and established. How would a new young band, like, say, Airbourne or Heaven's Basement, get to Maiden's status?


Awesome posters and T-shirts.  Eddie is the shiat.  Can't say as I'd recognize a song from them at all though.

Aside from that...

Sound good enough that people will want to hear you perform live, and social network youtube like everyone else does that doesn't buy into letting the middleman earn all the dough off of them.

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Music has gone back to the pre-20th century paradigm, where the money is made playing live.


So, you mean the 19th century where there was no such thing as recordings or internet?

Aside from that faux pas, the recording "industry" was never about the bands making money, but the middlemen, as far as recorded music goes.  Even in the movie business, that's where the real money lies(IE funding the movies up front, letting them do the work, but retaining the rights to copy/sell the recording).  Seeing as how it's all got it's origins with mob financing, and thereby making loads of money for doing mostly nothing, it's not a surprise the MPAA has the principles it does today.

It's not reverting back to anything, it has always been that way(at least most of the time).  Bands making money from their albums is a very new thing as far as the music world goes, and most still don't.  It's changing though, less are signing off rights, more signing with smaller studio's that don't rape them like the guy who played Darth Vader, or releasing directly electronically, skipping the process altogether(with advanced/cheaper technology it's not nearly as difficult to make your own studio in a garage)

If you're good, you don't need a huge bankroll to get going any more.  But the catch is, you've got to actually be good, or have some sort of attraction that makes you worth it to whatever section of fans you can draw.

A nobody can do it if they've got some talent.  There are now options other than impressing studio heads(which are often directly up the studio's rectum).
 
2013-12-20 10:11:12 PM

omeganuepsilon: traxan: In fairness, Maiden are already huge and established. How would a new young band, like, say, Airbourne or Heaven's Basement, get to Maiden's status?

Awesome posters and T-shirts.  Eddie is the shiat.  Can't say as I'd recognize a song from them at all though.

Aside from that...

Sound good enough that people will want to hear you perform live, and social network youtube like everyone else does that doesn't buy into letting the middleman earn all the dough off of them.

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Music has gone back to the pre-20th century paradigm, where the money is made playing live.

So, you mean the 19th century where there was no such thing as recordings or internet?

Aside from that faux pas, the recording "industry" was never about the bands making money, but the middlemen, as far as recorded music goes.  Even in the movie business, that's where the real money lies(IE funding the movies up front, letting them do the work, but retaining the rights to copy/sell the recording).  Seeing as how it's all got it's origins with mob financing, and thereby making loads of money for doing mostly nothing, it's not a surprise the MPAA has the principles it does today.

It's not reverting back to anything, it has always been that way(at least most of the time).  Bands making money from their albums is a very new thing as far as the music world goes, and most still don't.  It's changing though, less are signing off rights, more signing with smaller studio's that don't rape them like the guy who played Darth Vader, or releasing directly electronically, skipping the process altogether(with advanced/cheaper technology it's not nearly as difficult to make your own studio in a garage)

If you're good, you don't need a huge bankroll to get going any more.  But the catch is, you've got to actually be good, or have some sort of attraction that makes you worth it to whatever section of fans you can draw.

A nobody can do it if they've got some talent.  There are now options ...


Obligatory Steve Albini essay link. A must read for any musician starting out.
 
2013-12-20 10:25:32 PM
YOU'RE DOING IT...RIGHT.
 
2013-12-20 10:34:01 PM

traxan: In fairness, Maiden are already huge and established. How would a new young band, like, say, Airbourne or Heaven's Basement, get to Maiden's status?


Maybe through piracy?  I've purchased more than a few bands' albums after first hearing of them via not quite legal sources.  Piracy isn't always a bad thing.  It can also be good advertising.
 
2013-12-20 10:35:38 PM

zez: traxan: In fairness, Maiden are already huge and established. How would a new young band, like, say, Airbourne or Heaven's Basement, get to Maiden's status?

I was wondering the same thing, but I guess you could have some stuff on youtube and then find out where most of the people watching lived at and then set your tour around that if possible.


This.

It's like that guy who was basically a hobby blues singer with a day job who had 0 success in America who found out somehow that Australians farkin' loved his stuff, went down under, and became a very successful. Or something like that.

The point is some places farkin' love people who otherwise get no love. Before you had to guess if Seattle would accept you like the next Nirvana or reject you like that girl in high school.
 
2013-12-20 10:38:16 PM

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: StopLurkListen: Is that because the label benefits from album sales / loses out from album piracy, and the band members get a far larger fraction of the revenue at live performances?

You got it. Record industry killed itself years ago. Music has gone back to the pre-20th century paradigm, where the money is made playing live.

Though I'm sure the promoters will destroy that in the next few decades.


Pre 20th century? Live gigs? Um, sorry to say peter grant (Zeppelin mgr) broke through that doorway insofar as negotiating Monsterous paydays for the group per show (mainly u.s. Venues) in the early 70s.

/my 2 cents
 
2013-12-20 10:44:45 PM

12349876: Not sure why it took Iron Maiden so long to figure out they could be real successful in South America.


Iron Maiden (as well as KISS, Metallica and just about every other Metal band on the planet) has been well aware of that for decades.  Doesn't make for as good a story though:)
 
2013-12-20 10:45:37 PM

omeganuepsilon: traxan: In fairness, Maiden are already huge and established. How would a new young band, like, say, Airbourne or Heaven's Basement, get to Maiden's status?

Awesome posters and T-shirts.  Eddie is the shiat.  Can't say as I'd recognize a song from them at all though.

Aside from that...

Sound good enough that people will want to hear you perform live, and social network youtube like everyone else does that doesn't buy into letting the middleman earn all the dough off of them.

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Music has gone back to the pre-20th century paradigm, where the money is made playing live.

So, you mean the 19th century where there was no such thing as recordings or internet?

Aside from that faux pas, the recording "industry" was never about the bands making money, but the middlemen, as far as recorded music goes.  Even in the movie business, that's where the real money lies(IE funding the movies up front, letting them do the work, but retaining the rights to copy/sell the recording).  Seeing as how it's all got it's origins with mob financing, and thereby making loads of money for doing mostly nothing, it's not a surprise the MPAA has the principles it does today.

It's not reverting back to anything, it has always been that way(at least most of the time).  Bands making money from their albums is a very new thing as far as the music world goes, and most still don't.  It's changing though, less are signing off rights, more signing with smaller studio's that don't rape them like the guy who played Darth Vader, or releasing directly electronically, skipping the process altogether(with advanced/cheaper technology it's not nearly as difficult to make your own studio in a garage)

If you're good, you don't need a huge bankroll to get going any more.  But the catch is, you've got to actually be good, or have some sort of attraction that makes you worth it to whatever section of fans you can draw.

A nobody can do it if they've got some talent.  There are now options ...


The economic model for most of the '60s and '70s was that the royalties from the recordings were where the money was made, and the tour was a sort of loss leader in promotion of the latest album. That allowed the Beatles to simply cease live performances for the latter half of their career. That model began to reverse itself in the early '80s. There were exceptions. The Ramones never had huge album sales, so they had to squeeze money out of the tours as well in order to make the thing a paying proposition. Anybody involved with Chess Records got a farking every bit as thorough as Sony could give the artists of today.
 
2013-12-20 10:49:41 PM
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2013-12-20 10:53:55 PM

IlGreven: ChubbyTiger: RIAA: This is how you do it.  Maiden made US$2.5M in a single show by not being asshats.  Try to follow along.

RIAA sees not a single dime of it. They'd be more likely to shut down gigs like this.


That was the point.  Suing everyone and their mothers is not the way to earn more fans and more money.  It'll piss people off, though.
 
2013-12-20 10:58:00 PM
I have no idea what anyone in this thread is talking about. However...

UP THE IRONS.
 
2013-12-20 11:17:57 PM
This is why Iron Maiden still kicks ass.

Metallica: take a lesson, you insufferable douches.
 
2013-12-20 11:27:19 PM

Radak: traxan: In fairness, Maiden are already huge and established. How would a new young band, like, say, Airbourne or Heaven's Basement, get to Maiden's status?

Maybe through piracy?  I've purchased more than a few bands' albums after first hearing of them via not quite legal sources.  Piracy isn't always a bad thing.  It can also be good advertising.


It works the other way too.  I've gone to see bands I never heard of before and ended up buying every album they ever made because I really liked them.

/not an Iron Maiden fan, but would still go see them if they played here just because
 
2013-12-20 11:33:44 PM

neongoats: This is why Iron Maiden still kicks ass.

Metallica: take a lesson, you insufferable douches.


hey now, metallica just performed a concert in antarctica with a very small group of fans that won some kind of special contest and got flown there.  they got see metallica play a set from like 10 feet away.  metallica does cool stuff too sometimes.
 
2013-12-20 11:34:43 PM

zez: traxan: In fairness, Maiden are already huge and established. How would a new young band, like, say, Airbourne or Heaven's Basement, get to Maiden's status?

I was wondering the same thing, but I guess you could have some stuff on youtube and then find out where most of the people watching lived at and then set your tour around that if possible.


That's exactly what my buddy's band did. Their online sales and plays were mostly in Europe. They've been gigging out there constantly, signed to a label in Italy, and have a new album coming out. Not really my kinda music, but good for them.
 
2013-12-20 11:35:18 PM

enderthexenocide: neongoats: This is why Iron Maiden still kicks ass.

Metallica: take a lesson, you insufferable douches.

hey now, metallica just performed a concert in antarctica with a very small group of fans that won some kind of special contest and got flown there.  they got see metallica play a set from like 10 feet away.  metallica does cool stuff too sometimes.


Yeah, well, they probably had to hire Bruce Dickinson to fly them there.
 
2013-12-20 11:36:06 PM

enderthexenocide: neongoats: This is why Iron Maiden still kicks ass.

Metallica: take a lesson, you insufferable douches.

hey now, metallica just performed a concert in antarctica with a very small group of fans that won some kind of special contest and got flown there.  they got see metallica play a set from like 10 feet away.  metallica does cool stuff too sometimes.


Yeah, but Metallica sounds god-awful live now. Kirk and Lars have really lost a step.
 
2013-12-20 11:54:08 PM

StopLurkListen: Is that because the label benefits from album sales / loses out from album piracy, and the band members get a far larger fraction of the revenue at live performances?


Yes...they're meeting consumer demand for their music.  It may spur more sales, but at this point, it probably isn't about the money for them.  They always seemed to be cool to their fans.
 
2013-12-20 11:54:18 PM

neongoats: enderthexenocide: neongoats: This is why Iron Maiden still kicks ass.

Metallica: take a lesson, you insufferable douches.

hey now, metallica just performed a concert in antarctica with a very small group of fans that won some kind of special contest and got flown there.  they got see metallica play a set from like 10 feet away.  metallica does cool stuff too sometimes.

Yeah, well, they probably had to hire Bruce Dickinson to fly them there.


img.fark.net
 
2013-12-21 12:33:30 AM
When I saw Maiden back in 2003, right before Dance of Death came out, they played the first single "Wildest Dreams" and Bruce preceded it by encouraging fans to record the performance and spread it online.

/Probably the best show I've seen so far.
//Up the Irons!!!
 
2013-12-21 12:48:37 AM

Mangoose: "Unlike the shift to Amazon that did in the book store chains, record stores are suffering from outright theft, and the migration to iTunes or Spotify streaming isn't making up the difference. "

Bahwatdafuq?

1) Because I can't get movies, games, books, comics or music from torrent sites.
2) Record stores are suffering MORE because of migration to iTunes and spotify(are there still record stores? Not like used record stores but real new music record stores?). Also, book stores didn't suddenly come back to life because amazon started. They died. The only issue is there was no Barnes and Noble for the music retail business. All the major outlet chains essentialy failed to come up with a standard that fit the new age. Blame the tower records twat and his ilk that refused to adapt when there was still time.


i don't believe i need to explain my art to you, warren...
 
2013-12-21 01:01:13 AM

12349876: Not sure why it took Iron Maiden so long to figure out they could be real successful in South America.  Dream Theater draws more people in their big cities than in the US big cities.  There's a big metalhead and concert going culture down there.  I wonder how difficult and expensive it is to buy CDs down there and if that might play a role in the torrenting.  Do they actually produce CDs down there that wouldn't be subject to the import fees?  A number of obscure European bands I like you can only get a physical CD with those big fees.  Which is why I go digital.


South Americans will go see Lionel Richie and Air Supply.  South America has always been the dumping grounds for bands who are off the map in the first world.
 
2013-12-21 01:16:21 AM
Hot & New: You desperately want to find people interested in listening to you for free.

Old News: You desperately want to find people interested in listening to you.
 
2013-12-21 01:21:29 AM
Suckmaster Burstingfoam:

You got it. Record industry killed itself years ago. Music has gone back to the pre-20th century paradigm, where the money is made playing live.

Except there is a big difference between today and the pre-20th century. It's called recordings. It costs money to rent a studio, hire a producer, hire an engineer, etc. That has to be recouped. And don't say touring. Touring is expensive enough. When gas exploded to $4 a gallon, bands began cancelling tours like crazy because gas cost so much. If we have to subsidize the tour and the recording, get ready for $80 tickets and $40 t-shirts for even the most rinky dink band.
 
2013-12-21 01:59:35 AM

traxan: In fairness, Maiden are already huge and established. How would a new young band, like, say, Airbourne or Heaven's Basement, get to Maiden's status?


They wont. Rock is dead. The big concerts now are essentially relegated to Pop festival type shows and huge, older established bands touring once again.
 
2013-12-21 02:00:19 AM
Was that from a writer who gets paid by the word? Or did he just really want to make sure we knew Iron Maiden is big in Brazil, which is in South America, which includes Brazil?

/Brazil
 
2013-12-21 02:11:48 AM

ChubbyTiger: RIAA: This is how you do it.  Maiden made US$2.5M in a single show by not being asshats.  Try to follow along.


Well, see, this is why the RIAA does not do it. *Iron Maiden* made $2.5 million at that show. The music industry/RIAA did not.

/won't someone please think of the poor lawyers, suits, label heads, agents, A&R men, beancounters and other company men who make the music industry the bastion of worth and integrity that it is?
 
2013-12-21 02:38:08 AM

traxan: In fairness, Maiden are already huge and established. How would a new young band, like, say, Airbourne or Heaven's Basement, get to Maiden's status?


By touring?

Have a seat and let an old man explain something. Back in 'the day' a band only STOPPED touring to record an album of stuff they'd written while on tour. As opposed to the 'normal' procedure of today's labels/artists which is 'tour to support the album', then work on another one before you tour again.


/Also, 'payola' laws killed radio and gave labels all the power in that business dynamic.
 
2013-12-21 05:02:06 AM

Ishkur: ChubbyTiger: RIAA: This is how you do it.  Maiden made US$2.5M in a single show by not being asshats.  Try to follow along.

Well, see, this is why the RIAA does not do it. *Iron Maiden* made $2.5 million at that show. The music industry/RIAA did not.

/won't someone please think of the poor lawyers, suits, label heads, agents, A&R men, beancounters and other company men who make the music industry the bastion of worth and integrity that it is?


I do think of them every time I walk by but don't go in and buy music from Tower Records.
 
2013-12-21 05:07:28 AM
"Also, it saw that Brazil, Venezuela, Mexico, Columbia, and Chile were among the top 10 countries with the most Iron Maiden Twitter followers."

Where's Columbia again?
 
2013-12-21 05:27:35 AM

warlok42: And on my bucket list: See Maiden in Rio.


speak to me Hammersmith!!!
 
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