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(USA Today)   For the first time in 123 years, two women can be part of the same marriage in Utah   (usatoday.com) divider line 358
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2013-12-20 04:30:26 PM
Fascinating. Is there an appeal for this? Any way to overturn it?
 
2013-12-20 05:10:36 PM

DamnYankees: Fascinating. Is there an appeal for this? Any way to overturn it?


Well, it's only a District Court decision, so, I'm guessing probably.
 
2013-12-20 05:23:19 PM
I accidentally downvoted.
 
2013-12-20 05:29:44 PM

violentsalvation: I accidentally downvoted.


You monster.
 
2013-12-20 05:34:14 PM
I think it'd be a little bit fitting for same-sex marriage to be struck down in Utah, considering the amount of money the Mormon residents of Utah spent in California for their same-sex marriage referendum.
 
2013-12-20 05:35:20 PM
Falling like dominoes...
 
2013-12-20 05:49:58 PM

djkutch: violentsalvation: I accidentally downvoted.

You monster.


My mousing finger is an Oopsie-Daisy Homophobe.
 
2013-12-20 05:53:37 PM

RexTalionis: DamnYankees: Fascinating. Is there an appeal for this? Any way to overturn it?

Well, it's only a District Court decision, so, I'm guessing probably.


Well, the state is AG-less at the moment, but they have an acting one so that probably won't be an issue.  That being said, I've seen references that the CoA this would go to is either evenly balanced with vacancies or tilted slightly D with one R judge set to retire in January.  Either way, a quick appointment could possibly even deny the appeal or, at the very least, uphold the ruling.

Should be fun :)  Important to note, though - one clerk at least has already been given clearance to issue licenses to same-sex couples and has been doing so almost constantly since the ruling.
 
2013-12-20 06:22:34 PM

obenchainr: RexTalionis: DamnYankees: Fascinating. Is there an appeal for this? Any way to overturn it?

Well, it's only a District Court decision, so, I'm guessing probably.

Well, the state is AG-less at the moment, but they have an acting one so that probably won't be an issue.  That being said, I've seen references that the CoA this would go to is either evenly balanced with vacancies or tilted slightly D with one R judge set to retire in January.  Either way, a quick appointment could possibly even deny the appeal or, at the very least, uphold the ruling.

Should be fun :)  Important to note, though - one clerk at least has already been given clearance to issue licenses to same-sex couples and has been doing so almost constantly since the ruling.


That clerk could have an impact on appeals as any injunctions would likely not apply to existing licensed couples as in CA, right?
 
2013-12-20 06:33:58 PM

dr_blasto: obenchainr: RexTalionis: DamnYankees: Fascinating. Is there an appeal for this? Any way to overturn it?

Well, it's only a District Court decision, so, I'm guessing probably.

Well, the state is AG-less at the moment, but they have an acting one so that probably won't be an issue.  That being said, I've seen references that the CoA this would go to is either evenly balanced with vacancies or tilted slightly D with one R judge set to retire in January.  Either way, a quick appointment could possibly even deny the appeal or, at the very least, uphold the ruling.

Should be fun :)  Important to note, though - one clerk at least has already been given clearance to issue licenses to same-sex couples and has been doing so almost constantly since the ruling.

That clerk could have an impact on appeals as any injunctions would likely not apply to existing licensed couples as in CA, right?


Depends.  in California, the first round (state court) nullified the marriages that had been done.  On the second round, they were left intact, but the final result was pro-equal-marriage, so that doesn't mean much.

However, there's at least something of an argument that reversing the judgment at this point will either create two classes of same-sex couples (those who could have gotten married and those who then couldn't) or require the nullification of those marriages (which is obviously a burden/hardship and, the longer it takes, can have some pretty complex legal consequences).  Plus, the more marriages that are processed through without issue, the harder it is to argue that the state "can't" allow same-sex marriage.

Having marriages happens simply makes the case for denying/repealing far more complex.  If the world didn't end when Seth and Michael got married, it's takes that argument away.
 
2013-12-20 06:36:22 PM

RexTalionis: I think it'd be a little bit fitting for same-sex marriage to be struck down in Utah, considering the amount of money the Mormon residents of Utah spent in California for their same-sex marriage referendum.


The LDS Church spent that money, and it was very divisive in the Mormon Church. Quite a few Mormons are working within their church for reform, it must be said.
 
2013-12-20 06:41:11 PM
two women.....


what were we talking about again??


/good headline
 
2013-12-20 06:41:13 PM
"Attorneys for the state argued that Utah's law promotes the state's interest in "responsible procreation.""


WTF is this shiat?
 
2013-12-20 06:41:58 PM
Uncork the Orbitz!
 
2013-12-20 06:42:12 PM

meat0918: "Attorneys for the state argued that Utah's law promotes the state's interest in "responsible procreation.""


Small government. Fits in a uterus
 
2013-12-20 06:42:19 PM

meat0918: "Attorneys for the state argued that Utah's law promotes the state's interest in "responsible procreation.""


WTF is this shiat?


It means make a lot of Mormons.
 
2013-12-20 06:42:55 PM

RexTalionis: I think it'd be a little bit fitting for same-sex marriage to be struck down in Utah, considering the amount of money the Mormon residents of Utah spent in California for their same-sex marriage referendum.


We call that a burn.
 
2013-12-20 06:42:55 PM
Mormons now fabulous!
 
2013-12-20 06:43:02 PM
Doesn't this ruling mean that all heterosexual marriages are now void, and everybody in Utah has to get gay-married? Or you can marry a turtle, or something?...
 
2013-12-20 06:43:31 PM
The toothpaste is out of the tube. Licenses are being issued.

Never thought I'd say it, but GO UTAH!
 
2013-12-20 06:43:41 PM
Scalia whined about how Windsor will allow courts to strike down gay marriage bans.

The judge in this case cited Scalia's whining as correct, and evidence that this was the right move legally.

Ha.
 
2013-12-20 06:43:57 PM
But they can only have one cup.
 
2013-12-20 06:45:06 PM

Dafatone: Scalia whined about how Windsor will allow courts to strike down gay marriage bans.

The judge in this case cited Scalia's whining as correct, and evidence that this was the right move legally.

Ha.


Scalia is often right is his analytics. He's just wrong on the merits.
 
2013-12-20 06:45:23 PM

Dafatone: Scalia whined about how Windsor will allow courts to strike down gay marriage bans.

The judge in this case cited Scalia's whining as correct, and evidence that this was the right move legally.

Ha.


I caught that too. What a beaut.
 
2013-12-20 06:45:43 PM
Oh man this hilarious I'm heading over to the derp republic I'll be back with quotes!
 
2013-12-20 06:46:31 PM
Why not?

i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2013-12-20 06:46:56 PM
*golf clap*

Well done, subby!

//+1
 
2013-12-20 06:47:50 PM
Nice headline.
Nicer topic.

Now, all you need is to allow the sale of alcohol, and we'll welcome you to the 21st century, Utah.
 
2013-12-20 06:48:09 PM
So with the recent ruling against Utah's anti-polygamy laws, does that mean I can marry both a man and a woman simultaneously?
 
2013-12-20 06:48:26 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: Doesn't this ruling mean that all heterosexual marriages are now void, and everybody in Utah has to get gay-married? Or you can marry a turtle, or something?...


Well, yes and no, you must get gay married, turtles are not allowed, and additionally due to earlier laws, you won't be able to be forced into a poly-gay-mous marriage.
 
2013-12-20 06:49:06 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: Doesn't this ruling mean that all heterosexual marriages are now void, and everybody in Utah has to get gay-married? Or you can marry a turtle, or something?...


Yes, the government now bans heterosexual marriage in retribution for their gay hating.
/I, for one, welcome my gay overlords
 
2013-12-20 06:50:51 PM
Great headline Subby!  Well played.
 
2013-12-20 06:51:30 PM
Obama activist judge.
Pending appeal to the 10th circuit....so the matter isn't decided yet.
Though it seems that the leftist wacko judges are intentionally sticking it to conservative Christians right before Christmas.


Great Stuff!
 
2013-12-20 06:52:07 PM

ScaryBottles: Oh man this hilarious I'm heading over to the derp republic I'll be back with quotes!


Here. You may need this in case you have to take your own life.

img.fark.net
 
2013-12-20 06:52:40 PM
I thought two women have always been allowed to be part of the same marriage in Utah...as long as they were both married to the same man.

/two chicks at the same time
 
2013-12-20 06:53:24 PM
This is better than polygamy. None of them nasty penises ruining my visions, like a hairy-necked Dwayne Johnson.
 
2013-12-20 06:53:34 PM

doyner: meat0918: "Attorneys for the state argued that Utah's law promotes the state's interest in "responsible procreation.""

WTF is this shiat?

It means make a lot of Mormons.


Getting knocked up at 16 while you're still in high school and don't have a job - RESPONSIBLE

A pair of loving, gay professionals adopting a child - NOT RESPONSIBLE
 
2013-12-20 06:54:14 PM
Wow Utah? I expected them to be among the last states like Mississippi and Alabama.
/Yeah, I know appeals and such.
 
2013-12-20 06:54:37 PM
RexTalionisFascinating. Is there an appeal for this? Any way to overturn it? Well, it's only a District Court decision, so, I'm guessing probably.
 
2013-12-20 06:55:20 PM

HooskerDoo: ScaryBottles: Oh man this hilarious I'm heading over to the derp republic I'll be back with quotes!

Here. You may need this in case you have to take your own life.

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Gratefully accepted

Tell my wife I said..... Hello

Also this:

If Justice Anthony Kennedy had a soul, he would realize the monster he has unleashed with his DOMA decision.
 
2013-12-20 06:55:23 PM

Jclark666: So with the recent ruling against Utah's anti-polygamy laws, does that mean I can marry both a man and a woman simultaneously?


One to fark, one to mow the lawn.
 
2013-12-20 06:55:24 PM

meat0918: "Attorneys for the state argued that Utah's law promotes the state's interest in "responsible procreation.""


WTF is this shiat?


When the condom breaks.
 
2013-12-20 06:56:43 PM
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-12-20 06:57:30 PM
Last one I promise.

Phil Robertson for president!
 
2013-12-20 06:58:42 PM

djkutch: violentsalvation: I accidentally downvoted.

You monster.


Truly, right below Obama.
 
2013-12-20 06:58:45 PM
I'm not sure what made me more giddy: the news of a state as Conservative as Utah being thrust into the "same sex marriage legal" column or the headline that announced it here.

Either way,. good job subby and the judge!

/ I said thrust.
 
2013-12-20 06:59:31 PM
awesome! Mormon biatches are teh hot
 
2013-12-20 06:59:56 PM
Ok, this is screwy,
Esp in light ofthe fact that NSA databank resides there, and other huge govt organs that, umm screw all of us.
I think its time to clean up Utah, much the same as we cleaned up the 13 colonies.
 With paper, ink, and....
brb... doorbell
 
2013-12-20 07:00:43 PM
It is not the purpose of the Government to dictate what love is, or who has the right to love one another. If two women fall in love, more power to them, and who are we to say they are wrong or immoral? The time in our future history where we will be free of the shackles of ignorance and blind following of a outdated morality is the time when all men, and women, will truly be free. All deserve the same legal rights as others, or they are not rights, they are privileges, and we have no business telling others they are wrong to love one another. If there was more love, and more acceptance, the world would be a better place.
 
2013-12-20 07:00:46 PM

RexTalionis: I think it'd be a little bit fitting for same-sex marriage to be struck down in Utah, considering the amount of money the Mormon residents of Utah spent in California for their same-sex marriage referendum.


I can't remember where I read it, but the Mormon church was really shocked by all the criticism of their involvement in Prop 8. Many higher ups actually did some soul-searching about it and decided that they didn't want to be known as a gay-bashing faith, calling the Prop 8 issue a black eye for them. I'm certain it was turning away possible converts, and I'd bet more than a few members fell away as well.

So while they still hold the "traditional marriage" view, they didn't spend any real money during the 2012 gay marriage votes. The anti gay-marriage crowd can no longer rely on the Mormons to back them up.
 
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