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(Columbus Dispatch)   Man, I'm running late to the county jail to administer a drug test, I guess I can stop at Starbucks, what's the worst that could happen?   (dispatch.com) divider line 90
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2013-12-20 01:44:26 PM
That story pissed me off a bit.
 
2013-12-20 01:45:52 PM
Kurt Sutter?
 
2013-12-20 01:45:56 PM
Horrible breath?
 
2013-12-20 01:46:18 PM
Krebs, Licking County, Branstool? This story sounds like a map to the Cleveland Show.
 
2013-12-20 01:47:15 PM
I'm really not trying to troll here, this just caught my eye

FTA : "It's not fair. I have to take my kids to the grave to see their father on Christmas."

You could actually do that on a different day, if you wanted.

Also yes, terribly unfair, bad trooper, bad justice etc.
 
2013-12-20 01:47:37 PM
OK, criminal charges are out. But surely the family can still file an at fault/civil suit? (Like they'd get anything either way)
 
2013-12-20 01:48:05 PM
That's the law. Oh well.
 
2013-12-20 01:49:35 PM

walktoanarcade: That story pissed me off a bit.


This, and someone misspelled Anthony.
 
2013-12-20 01:49:45 PM
by Licking County Common Pleas Judge David Branstool

Is that how he got off?

/hey-o
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-12-20 01:50:09 PM
Anthany J. Krebs slammed his car into the back of a motorcycle driven by Randle D. O'Bryan, of Pataskala, on June 3. O'Bryan, 44, was stopped in traffic on eastbound Rt. 16 west of the Cherry Valley Road intersection near Newark. He died that evening at Licking Memorial Hospital.

This would be a straightforward misdemeanor motor vehicle homicide case around here. Alcohol is an aggravating factor. If you permanently suck at driving it's a misdemeanor and if you temporarily suck at driving it's a felony.
 
2013-12-20 01:51:43 PM
i2.cdnds.net
 
2013-12-20 01:52:20 PM
"He gets to have a Christmas," Stepp said of Krebs. "It's not fair. I have to take my kids to the grave to see their father on Christmas."

If he actually gave a shait about you or his kids he wouldn't have been riding a motorcycle in the first place.
 
2013-12-20 01:54:18 PM
Thanks to Google and the ridiculous spelling of his name I'm guessing the driver's job search will be difficult.
 
2013-12-20 01:56:21 PM
That's some good policing there, Lou.
 
2013-12-20 01:57:19 PM
Louder pipes on either vehicle could surely have prevented this tragedy.
 
2013-12-20 01:57:34 PM
Well... sucks to be you, prosecutor.  If you break the law to secure a conviction, you don't get a conviction.  This is entirely correct and proper.

Fear the Clam: If he actually gave a shait about you or his kids he wouldn't have been riding a motorcycle in the first place.


Eh, there are things that are more dangerous than motorcycles.

Smart cars, for instance, are designed like the maker is  trying to kill you.
 
2013-12-20 01:58:37 PM
A urine sample supplied by Krebs, 29, of 6079 Rover Lane on the East Side, tested positive for both amphetamines and marijuana.

That doesn't mean that he was high at the time
 
2013-12-20 01:58:55 PM

Loaf's Tray: Louder pipes on either vehicle could surely have prevented this tragedy.


Longer pipes certainly would have.

Like, 300 feet or so.
 
2013-12-20 01:59:20 PM

Fear the Clam: "He gets to have a Christmas," Stepp said of Krebs. "It's not fair. I have to take my kids to the grave to see their father on Christmas."

If he actually gave a shait about you or his kids he wouldn't have been riding a motorcycle in the first place.


As long as he had a nice AD&D policy I'd cut him some slack. He could have been terribly henpecked and rising was his only therapy
 
2013-12-20 01:59:57 PM
Did you mean:  Anthony J. Krebs
 
2013-12-20 02:00:23 PM

Jim_Callahan: Smart cars, for instance, are designed like the maker is  trying to kill you.


I thought they were actually somewhat safe, not for your image or self esteem of course...
 
2013-12-20 02:01:23 PM
I don't understand why criminal charges are out. Do you have to be drunk to be accused of vehicular homicide now?
 
2013-12-20 02:01:23 PM
not surprising from a Krebs descendant.

www.nitesite.net

/sad story
//no real justice here
 
2013-12-20 02:01:40 PM
[something....something something]...KREBS CYCLE!

//YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
 
2013-12-20 02:01:41 PM
Other  than some speed (which truck drivers have demonstrated for decades only improves safety on the road) the guy had been smoking pot.

Is it the  courts position that the accident was a result of marijuana use?
 
2013-12-20 02:01:46 PM

Nutsac_Jim: As long as he had a nice AD&D policy I'd cut him some slack.


because he gets a saving throw?
 
2013-12-20 02:02:59 PM
I don't get it. Why would the time matter that much? As long as the idiot isn't taking any new drugs there should be any negative (for the accused) effect on intoxication levels. Sure, you don't force the guy to go and have the alcohol test the next saturday at 23:00, but 2 minutes outside of the 3 hours? What is the rationale.behind that?

If you can hold him for an X amount of time, then it should be possible to test him for the same duration.
 
2013-12-20 02:03:24 PM

Fear the Clam: "He gets to have a Christmas," Stepp said of Krebs. "It's not fair. I have to take my kids to the grave to see their father on Christmas."

If he actually gave a shait about you or his kids he wouldn't have been riding a motorcycle in the first place.


I have to admit, I kind of agree with this. If the guy had rear ended a car, chances are nobody would have gotten hurt. Accidents happen, I may be responsible for it but how is it also my fault if you choose to drive a vehicle that offers you absolutely not protection in an accident?

Also, can't drugs show up in a urine test days, or even weeks after you use them?
 
2013-12-20 02:03:56 PM
Tragic all around, but...

Was the driver actually intoxicated at the scene, or was the state interested in charging him with the more serious crime simply because there were detectable amounts of certain substances in his bloodstream?

Did the driver have a history of DWI or run-ins with the law or did he have a clean record before this?

Those are some damn important factors to this story that are missing-- I don't know if I should be seriously pissed off or going "tsk tsk."

The reporter didn't do a very good job on this story at all.  Back in my news editor days I would have given him a major ass chewing and kicked him out to finish the goddamn story I was paying him to write.

/I sometimes miss being a grumpy newspaper editor.  It was fun at times.
//Reporters under me almost never did a half assed job twice.
 
2013-12-20 02:04:08 PM

Fear the Clam: "He gets to have a Christmas," Stepp said of Krebs. "It's not fair. I have to take my kids to the grave to see their father on Christmas."

If he actually gave a shait about you or his kids he wouldn't have been riding a motorcycle in the first place.


I bet you hate coal miners and oil rig workers too.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-12-20 02:04:22 PM
Dalrint

In many states, alcohol is the difference between a minor moving violation and a serious crime. I have always thought this was backwards -- it's worse to knowingly drive dangerously than to be too drunk to realize you are in a car -- but it is the law.
 
2013-12-20 02:05:09 PM

Loaf's Tray: Louder pipes on either vehicle could surely have prevented this tragedy.


I was trying to think of a way to work firearms into the equation... but that works equally well.
 
2013-12-20 02:05:19 PM
So, if I cause an accident and can run and hide for three hours, I get sweet, sweet, freedom? Sounds like the premise for a great new reality show "Hit and Run".
 
2013-12-20 02:05:45 PM
He went to licking and stopped ticking.
 
2013-12-20 02:06:04 PM

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R.I.P Anthony J. Krebs

 
2013-12-20 02:07:25 PM

ReapTheChaos: Fear the Clam: "He gets to have a Christmas," Stepp said of Krebs. "It's not fair. I have to take my kids to the grave to see their father on Christmas."

If he actually gave a shait about you or his kids he wouldn't have been riding a motorcycle in the first place.

I have to admit, I kind of agree with this. If the guy had rear ended a car, chances are nobody would have gotten hurt. Accidents happen, I may be responsible for it but how is it also my fault if you choose to drive a vehicle that offers you absolutely not protection in an accident?

Also, can't drugs show up in a urine test days, or even weeks after you use them?


Yeap
 
2013-12-20 02:07:31 PM
What a bunch of sh*t.  If the suspect is in custody since immediately after the accident and still tests positive for drugs, WTF difference does it make how long it was?
 
2013-12-20 02:10:08 PM
Call logs showed that the Granville officers were dispatched at 5:28 p.m., meaning that Krebs' urine was collected two minutes too late. It could not be used as evidence against him.

You know, there is a difference between Dispatched and On the Scene. You can be dispatched at 5:28 but arrive on the scene at 5:55.
 
2013-12-20 02:10:21 PM
"Granville officers were dispatched at 5:28 p.m."
That is the time they were dispatched. Did they arrive instantly? How do they know the incident really happened if an officer had not seen it yet? Should they wait, and not arrive until there is a drug test guy waiting two blocks away?
 
2013-12-20 02:10:32 PM

DerAppie: I don't get it. Why would the time matter that much? As long as the idiot isn't taking any new drugs there should be any negative (for the accused) effect on intoxication levels. Sure, you don't force the guy to go and have the alcohol test the next saturday at 23:00, but 2 minutes outside of the 3 hours? What is the rationale.behind that?


Because that's the way the law was written. If we allow a bit of "slip-time", how long do we let it slide? 1 minute? 3? 5? 10? 15?

It sucks, but this is why it pays to elect people who can both read AND think critically.

// the blame lies with the LEOs, who are supposed to know these things
 
2013-12-20 02:12:30 PM

Mietsko: I'm really not trying to troll here, this just caught my eye

FTA : "It's not fair. I have to take my kids to the grave to see their father on Christmas."

You could actually do that on a different day, if you wanted.



Maybe New Year's Day...hey kids, it's a new year without your dad!!

/sad
 
2013-12-20 02:12:44 PM
If we're going to start changing farked up laws how about changing ones that will keep more people out of prison before we start adding more people in.
 
2013-12-20 02:12:59 PM

uncleacid: He went to licking and stopped ticking.


oh my god, this made me laugh really hard. Thankfully all of my coworkers are gone.
 
2013-12-20 02:14:17 PM

Riche: Tragic all around, but...

Was the driver actually intoxicated at the scene, or was the state interested in charging him with the more serious crime simply because there were detectable amounts of certain substances in his bloodstream?

Did the driver have a history of DWI or run-ins with the law or did he have a clean record before this?

Those are some damn important factors to this story that are missing-- I don't know if I should be seriously pissed off or going "tsk tsk."

The reporter didn't do a very good job on this story at all.  Back in my news editor days I would have given him a major ass chewing and kicked him out to finish the goddamn story I was paying him to write.

/I sometimes miss being a grumpy newspaper editor.  It was fun at times.
//Reporters under me almost never did a half assed job twice.


I agree with most of your questions and your assertion that the story needs more details,however I believe that is the point of the time limit on taking the urine/blood sample.  And why the charge was ultimately dismissed.  Sad story overall though.
 
2013-12-20 02:14:23 PM
I'm guessing there were no witnesses to the accident and Stoney insists the motorcycle pulled out in front of him from a side road that isn't there and just stopped. So the cops can't pin the accident on him. All they can do is get him tested and show that he was baked. And that increases the chance of getting convicted.

/GED in Elle Aye Double U
 
2013-12-20 02:14:36 PM
Not sure about you other FARKERS out there, but if that happened to my family and this guy walks free....


/ dead man walking
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-12-20 02:16:37 PM
DerAppie

Ohio law sets a time limit of three hours. The limit used to be two hours.

In the USA there are two extremes on test timing. One doctrine says expert testimony on "retrograde extrapolation" can be used to translate any after-the-fact BAC measurement into the BAC at time of the crime. The other says the test is what matters, and a test within some time after driving is legally the same as a test while driving. Massachusetts is in the first camp, New Jersey in the second. Apparently Ohio is also in the second.

In the second kind of state proving that your BAC was 0.0% when you drove would not be a defense to a charge of DUI alcohol. At most it would raise doubt that the later test was accurate.
 
2013-12-20 02:16:53 PM
Here's an older story. He got idicted on two counts. Wonder what happened to the other one.

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2013/09/19/Newark-fatal - wreck-indictment.html
NEWARK, Ohio - A Licking County grand jury indicted a Columbus man on Wednesday on two counts of vehicular homicide stemming from a June crash near here.

On the afternoon of his 29th birthday, Anthany J. Krebs rear-ended a motorcycle driven by Randle D. O'Bryan of Pataskala traveling east on Rt. 16 near the Cherry Valley Road intersection, according to a State Highway Patrol report. O'Bryan, 44, died at Licking Memorial Hospital.

Krebs, of Rover Lane on the East Side, was indicted on two counts of vehicular homicide - one count for being under the influence, a second-degree felony, and one count for recklessness, a third-degree felony, said Assistant Licking County Prosecutor Paula Sawyer.

Krebs, who tested positive for both amphetamines and marijuana, was also indicted on one count of driving while intoxicated and a misdemeanor count of possession of marijuana. His court date has not yet been set.
 
2013-12-20 02:17:14 PM
Farkin' deadlines.
How do they work?
 
2013-12-20 02:19:59 PM

ReapTheChaos: Fear the Clam: "He gets to have a Christmas," Stepp said of Krebs. "It's not fair. I have to take my kids to the grave to see their father on Christmas."

If he actually gave a shait about you or his kids he wouldn't have been riding a motorcycle in the first place.

I have to admit, I kind of agree with this. If the guy had rear ended a car, chances are nobody would have gotten hurt. Accidents happen, I may be responsible for it but how is it also my fault if you choose to drive a vehicle that offers you absolutely not protection in an accident?

Also, can't drugs show up in a urine test days, or even weeks after you use them?


IIRC weed shows up in your system for about three weeks after last smoked, not sure about eating or other methods. I think meth is a few days, but I haven't let my PO check me in months. Hard to test me when I move around from state to state, walking from town to town. Sure the sheriffs always give me shiat, cause I look like a vagrant. I get by though.
 
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