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2013-12-20 01:47:50 PM
I'm glad a pedophile got caught and all, but I'd think that any even half-competent defense lawyer, even some of Fark's resident GEDs in law, would have a field day with this.
 
2013-12-20 02:28:16 PM
There is honor even among thieves, it seems.
 
2013-12-20 02:29:24 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: There is honor even among thieves, it seems.


Yeah, I mean, he gets a pass for this particular theft, right?
 
2013-12-20 02:46:17 PM

Pocket Ninja: I'm glad a pedophile got caught and all, but I'd think that any even half-competent defense lawyer, even some of Fark's resident GEDs in law, would have a field day with this.


The rules are that the government can't break the law to get evidence against you.  Not that a private citizen can't.
 
2013-12-20 02:51:37 PM

I_C_Weener: Pocket Ninja: I'm glad a pedophile got caught and all, but I'd think that any even half-competent defense lawyer, even some of Fark's resident GEDs in law, would have a field day with this.

The rules are that the government can't break the law to get evidence against you.  Not that a private citizen can't.


That what I was assuming as well, but I'm no lawyer.
 
2013-12-20 02:57:50 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Grand_Moff_Joseph: There is honor even among thieves, it seems.

Yeah, I mean, he gets a pass for this particular theft, right?


In a perfect world, no, he shouldn't.  Theft is theft, after all.  but, if I have to choose, I'll jail the pedo every day of the week, and hope that the thief recognizes the error of his ways.
 
2013-12-20 02:59:12 PM

vartian: I_C_Weener: Pocket Ninja: I'm glad a pedophile got caught and all, but I'd think that any even half-competent defense lawyer, even some of Fark's resident GEDs in law, would have a field day with this.

The rules are that the government can't break the law to get evidence against you.  Not that a private citizen can't.

That what I was assuming as well, but I'm no lawyer.


I'm not 100% certain on that though since my expertise is in destroying families, not defending the wrongfully accused.
 
2013-12-20 03:01:54 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-12-20 03:12:42 PM
video tapes?  What bloody year is this?
 
2013-12-20 03:12:44 PM
From an online source:

1. the psychos. the ones who have killed 15 men with there bare hands. who no one dares to cross, the monk from mean machine is a great example.
2. those with power on the outsite. I Dont mean bankers etc but those criminal bosses who dispite being in prison can still have your family killed. usually have a gang with them in prison
3. gangs. more an american prision thing and again it depends on the prison your in, some have a bigger gang problem then others, some have more of one gang then others might so which gang is on top varies from prison to prison but the gangs are pritty high up the food chain because if you mess with one. you mess with them all.
4. dont know what you would call them. the people who can get you anything, cigs, drugs, etc. most of the time each gang has there own one but it depends on the prision. sometimes they may not be apart of any gang but are respected for what they do
5. those people who where in gangs but have said "to hell with this". usually these are marked men and have to be kept seperate from the normal prison population for there own safty.
6. the grasses. they tell on what other prisoners are doing, in return for privledges or shorter stays in prison they also may have snitched on the outside to get there sentence reduced. they to for there own safty have to be seperated
7. the prision rapests, again sometimes these people are part of a gang which can give them more respect. these people may well be in for a non sexual crime but once in they need someone to shag, many a prision shower scene is based on these people.
8. Rapest and abusers of women
9. Rapest and abusers of children
in smaller prisons and in british prisons with less of a gang problem its more simple, psychos > criminal bosses with connections > the hard men with the biggest punch > drug addicts > grasses (people who snitch ) > rapests
 
2013-12-20 03:12:55 PM
Even evil has standards.

Drop the guy into GenPop. This will be a self-solving problem.
 
2013-12-20 03:13:10 PM
Seems to me that we just don't see that word "Dastardly" enough anymore.
 
2013-12-20 03:13:31 PM
Criminals turn on each other all the time. How is this any different?
 
2013-12-20 03:14:16 PM
Good, now they can BOTH go to prison.
 
2013-12-20 03:14:50 PM
What are these "videotapes" you speak of?  Do you play them on a tape machine?
 
2013-12-20 03:15:09 PM
More like dumbass tag. Great job admitting you broke the law
 
2013-12-20 03:15:57 PM
At least he didn't burn the house down.
 
2013-12-20 03:16:33 PM
Something tells me this thief was a victim or knows a victim of the creep.
 
2013-12-20 03:16:35 PM

Warlordtrooper: More like dumbass tag. Great job admitting you broke the law.


I'd wager he's more of a man, and a human being than that cowardice would paint you as.
 
2013-12-20 03:17:04 PM

Russ1642: Criminals turn on each other all the time. How is this any different?


This criminal didn't have anything to gain by turning in the pedo.
 
2013-12-20 03:17:15 PM

Pocket Ninja: I'm glad a pedophile got caught and all, but I'd think that any even half-competent defense lawyer, even some of Fark's resident GEDs in law, would have a field day with this.


It's in Spain. In the US, pedo coach would probably get off (see what I did there?). In Spain, he'll get a nice long prison sentence. And, Spain is pretty much a third world country pretending to be a first world country.
 
m00
2013-12-20 03:20:39 PM

I_C_Weener: The rules are that the government can't break the law to get evidence against you. Not that a private citizen can't.


"Oh that cop that broke into your home to collect evidence was acting as a private citizen committing a crime. Prosecutors merely declined to charge him."

No thanks.
 
2013-12-20 03:20:49 PM
Why the heck would a burglar be interested in watching the tapes of their victims? Obviously if you swiped "No Country For Old Men" you would watch that but a random tape or DVD? I'm sure it wasn't labelled "me molesting kids." It was probably labelled something uninteresting or unlabeled. Who would have the time to watch that crap? I thought burglars sold whatever was easy and dumped everything else.
 
2013-12-20 03:22:09 PM

I_C_Weener: Pocket Ninja: I'm glad a pedophile got caught and all, but I'd think that any even half-competent defense lawyer, even some of Fark's resident GEDs in law, would have a field day with this.

The rules are that ...


OBJECTION YOUR HONOR, BADGERING THE WITNESS.

I move for a mistrial.
 
2013-12-20 03:23:35 PM

hardinparamedic: Warlordtrooper: More like dumbass tag. Great job admitting you broke the law.

I'd wager he's more of a man, and a human being than that cowardice would paint you as.


By all means this should be used as a consideration when sentencing he theif. But still you never talk to the police and that includes handing over something you illegally stole

Pedo should spend a long time in solitary
 
2013-12-20 03:25:02 PM
This reminds me of a criminal they caught when I was young back in the early 90s. A guy was breaking into homes stealing the normal stuff TV, jewelry, cash. But the odd thing was he would steal home movies too. When they caught him he had a pretty big collection.
 
2013-12-20 03:25:39 PM

neversubmit: At least he didn't burn the house down.


weallhitplay.com
 
2013-12-20 03:26:35 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Grand_Moff_Joseph: There is honor even among thieves, it seems.

Yeah, I mean, he gets a pass for this particular theft, right?


I would give him 11 months for the break in and suspend it.
 
2013-12-20 03:26:40 PM

armor helix: Why the heck would a burglar be interested in watching the tapes of their victims? Obviously if you swiped "No Country For Old Men" you would watch that but a random tape or DVD? I'm sure it wasn't labelled "me molesting kids." It was probably labelled something uninteresting or unlabeled. Who would have the time to watch that crap? I thought burglars sold whatever was easy and dumped everything else.


Yea there's no way I'm digging out and hooking up my vcr just to watch some stolen unmarked tapes I found under a car seat. Good for the burglar though, I hope he sleeps well tonight.
 
2013-12-20 03:27:14 PM

Skyd1v: Seems to me that we just don't see that word "Dastardly" enough anymore.


1.bp.blogspot.com
Agrees
 
2013-12-20 03:27:34 PM
This is not a good thing.


I'm not saying that I knew drug dealers in the 1980's but I did. A friend of mine worked at a well known head shop and the cops were harassing employees that worked there. One of them had her house burglarized a few days before getting pulled over and interrogated by cops. The results of that interrogation was that she admitted to being a pot smoker. From this admission they got a warrant to search her house, where they found a quarter pound of pot that was her personal stash. (Seriously, if you find good stuff at a low price -one might be inclined to buy a good quantity.)

But in discussing her problems with other employees, she found that many of the people that worked at this head shop had their houses burglarized. The pet theory was that the cops were employing burglars as informants and looking the other way while they committed their crimes -amounting to an illegal search.


The envelope included an anonymous note with the coach's address

You know what would be very easy to plant?

The burglar might even have a deal with an undercover cop getting money and amnesty for every felon that gets convicted.

If you say, "well the burglar was anonymous, so it's unlikely that they're working as a confidential witness." Know that police are allowed to hide the source of their informants through parallel discovery.
 
2013-12-20 03:27:51 PM

Warlordtrooper: But still you never talk to the police and that includes handing over something you illegally stole


Uh, wait a second. Are you trolling?

Or do you actually think that someone should not go to the police if they have knowledge, and/or evidence that someone is raping children?
 
2013-12-20 03:28:03 PM
It wasn't actually abuse. Every time the soccer coach's penis would even get near a kid, they'd both collapse on the floor clutching their knees and writhe around pretending to be in pain.
 
2013-12-20 03:31:36 PM

I_C_Weener: vartian: I_C_Weener: Pocket Ninja: I'm glad a pedophile got caught and all, but I'd think that any even half-competent defense lawyer, even some of Fark's resident GEDs in law, would have a field day with this.

The rules are that the government can't break the law to get evidence against you.  Not that a private citizen can't.

That what I was assuming as well, but I'm no lawyer.

I'm not 100% certain on that though since my expertise is in destroying families, not defending the wrongfully accused.


Dad?
 
2013-12-20 03:31:44 PM

hardinparamedic: Even evil has standards.

Drop the guy into GenPop. This will be a self-solving problem.


No man, this thief is obviously one of the neutral alignments, or maybe even chaotic good.
 
2013-12-20 03:33:05 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: This is not a good thing.


I'm not saying that I knew drug dealers in the 1980's but I did. A friend of mine worked at a well known head shop and the cops were harassing employees that worked there. One of them had her house burglarized a few days before getting pulled over and interrogated by cops. The results of that interrogation was that she admitted to being a pot smoker. From this admission they got a warrant to search her house, where they found a quarter pound of pot that was her personal stash. (Seriously, if you find good stuff at a low price -one might be inclined to buy a good quantity.)

But in discussing her problems with other employees, she found that many of the people that worked at this head shop had their houses burglarized. The pet theory was that the cops were employing burglars as informants and looking the other way while they committed their crimes -amounting to an illegal search.


The envelope included an anonymous note with the coach's address

You know what would be very easy to plant?

The burglar might even have a deal with an undercover cop getting money and amnesty for every felon that gets convicted.

If you say, "well the burglar was anonymous, so it's unlikely that they're working as a confidential witness." Know that police are allowed to hide the source of their informants through parallel discovery.


And they say smoking pot makes you paranoid.
 
2013-12-20 03:33:10 PM

hardinparamedic: Warlordtrooper: But still you never talk to the police and that includes handing over something you illegally stole

Uh, wait a second. Are you trolling?

Or do you actually think that someone should not go to the police if they have knowledge, and/or evidence that someone is raping children?


Good on this guy for going to the cops even though he stole the shiat.
 
2013-12-20 03:33:33 PM

Warlordtrooper: More like dumbass tag. Great job admitting you broke the law


You didn't RTFA, did you? He turned over the evidence anonymously.


I_C_Weener: The rules are that the government can't break the law to get evidence against you.  Not that a private citizen can't.


This also took place in Spain, where chain of custody laws may be vastly different.
 
2013-12-20 03:37:27 PM

trappedspirit: What are these "videotapes" you speak of?  Do you play them on a tape machine?


They're what you use to stick videos together.
 
2013-12-20 03:38:50 PM

James!: And they say smoking pot makes you paranoid.


http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20121108/article/121109613

If you're paying attention, then you'd realize that this happens all the time.
 
2013-12-20 03:39:14 PM

armor helix: Why the heck would a burglar be interested in watching the tapes of their victims? Obviously if you swiped "No Country For Old Men" you would watch that but a random tape or DVD? I'm sure it wasn't labelled "me molesting kids." It was probably labelled something uninteresting or unlabeled. Who would have the time to watch that crap? I thought burglars sold whatever was easy and dumped everything else.


Maybe he was hoping for a bit of home made porn. Not pedo crap, but good old-fashioned "let's get wasted and film ourselves screwing" type porn.
 
2013-12-20 03:40:21 PM

I_C_Weener: Pocket Ninja: I'm glad a pedophile got caught and all, but I'd think that any even half-competent defense lawyer, even some of Fark's resident GEDs in law, would have a field day with this.

The rules are that the government can't break the law to get evidence against you.  Not that a private citizen can't.


That's in the U.S., this incident occurred in Spain, I don't know how this applies there.
 
2013-12-20 03:40:29 PM

James!: Because People in power are Stupid: This is not a good thing.


I'm not saying that I knew drug dealers in the 1980's but I did. A friend of mine worked at a well known head shop and the cops were harassing employees that worked there. One of them had her house burglarized a few days before getting pulled over and interrogated by cops. The results of that interrogation was that she admitted to being a pot smoker. From this admission they got a warrant to search her house, where they found a quarter pound of pot that was her personal stash. (Seriously, if you find good stuff at a low price -one might be inclined to buy a good quantity.)

But in discussing her problems with other employees, she found that many of the people that worked at this head shop had their houses burglarized. The pet theory was that the cops were employing burglars as informants and looking the other way while they committed their crimes -amounting to an illegal search.


The envelope included an anonymous note with the coach's address

You know what would be very easy to plant?

The burglar might even have a deal with an undercover cop getting money and amnesty for every felon that gets convicted.

If you say, "well the burglar was anonymous, so it's unlikely that they're working as a confidential witness." Know that police are allowed to hide the source of their informants through parallel discovery.

And they say smoking pot makes you paranoid.


He has a point though. Not that this guy shouldn't go to jail- they did corroborate a witness after the videos were found after all.
The other option Because People forgot: Maybe this dude was originally an accomplice to the pedo crimes, and knew where to find the goods.
 
2013-12-20 03:43:22 PM
Dude! Ten years olds...

Isn't the AOC in Spain 13?
 
2013-12-20 03:43:46 PM

hardinparamedic: Warlordtrooper: But still you never talk to the police and that includes handing over something you illegally stole

Uh, wait a second. Are you trolling?

Or do you actually think that someone should not go to the police if they have knowledge, and/or evidence that someone is raping children?


If you are going to do that always hire a lawyer first
 
2013-12-20 03:44:23 PM

hardinparamedic: Or do you actually think that someone should not go to the police if they have knowledge, and/or evidence that someone is raping children?


The neighborhood should get together and disappear the guy like Ray Gricar.
 
2013-12-20 03:44:29 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: You know what would be very easy to plant?


Did you RTFA? The tapes allegedly show the suspect molesting the victims (not just generic kiddy porn). Not sure how that could be planted unless the burglar did some very detailed video editing to create fake tapes.
 
2013-12-20 03:46:42 PM

reported: Because People in power are Stupid: You know what would be very easy to plant?

Did you RTFA? The tapes allegedly show the suspect molesting the victims (not just generic kiddy porn). Not sure how that could be planted unless the burglar did some very detailed video editing to create fake tapes.


Guilty as charged. I only read the Farkline.
 
2013-12-20 03:47:17 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: reported: Because People in power are Stupid: You know what would be very easy to plant?

Did you RTFA? The tapes allegedly show the suspect molesting the victims (not just generic kiddy porn). Not sure how that could be planted unless the burglar did some very detailed video editing to create fake tapes.

Guilty as charged. I only read the Farkline.


And not even that much...
 
2013-12-20 03:47:36 PM

m00: I_C_Weener: The rules are that the government can't break the law to get evidence against you. Not that a private citizen can't.

"Oh that cop that broke into your home to collect evidence was acting as a private citizen committing a crime. Prosecutors merely declined to charge him."

No thanks.


That's what worries me. There's no way to prove that this evidence wasn't provided by an LEO, using the anonymous tip line in a sort of "evidence laundering" scheme, and that might cast enough doubt on the tapes to slip through.

A better way to do this would have been to request an immunity deal. I realize this sounds scummy, but it's exactly the sort of thing these deals were invented for: to encourage people who find things like this to come forward in a way that protects the police from the specter of evidence laundering.
 
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