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(WTAE)   You are rebuilding your house after Katrina hit. Do you: A) Get all the permits? B) Enlist volunteers to help out? C) Watch the city bulldoze it days before Christmas? D) All of the above?   (wtae.com ) divider line
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2013-12-20 11:36:11 AM  
11 votes:
So, the house has been vacant and abandoned for 8 years now and she got a building permit 6 months ago (but didn't do anything with it) and she was told by the city that this was going to happen?

Sad story, but it's not like she didn't have ample opportunity to resolve the problem.
2013-12-20 12:20:52 PM  
5 votes:
When she says "no lawyer would take our case" you can roughly translate this to: "no lawyer would work for free and front court costs out of his own pocket to boot".

I see this all the time. Hell, I would have taken her case if she was willing to pay me.

If your house is being slowly destroyed by a foundation problem you hire a contractor to fix it. No one expects the contractor to come in, front materials costs at his own expense and do the work for free. Yet for some inexplicable reason, people expect lawyers to ride in to save the day out of the goodness of our hearts. But, you know, we have mortgages too.

I blame bad Hollywood lawyer movies.
2013-12-20 01:41:11 PM  
3 votes:

fickenchucker: Fark her--it's been long enough to figure Katrina shiat out.

So sick of that stinkhole city.  Never should have been built in the first place, let alone the decades of piss-poor planning.


You know Kenner is not New Orleans, right? Also, New Orleans is doing just fine, thank you. Its more economically prosperous than it has been in decades. People are moving to the area in droves because it has better job opportunities than the rest of the country. Plus, well... its New Orleans

Actually, strike all that. You're right, its a shiathole. You'd be better off staying in whatever fascinating place you live in. I'm sure its much better there.
2013-12-20 01:36:33 PM  
3 votes:
ReapTheChaos:

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You had 8 damn years lady, you obviously didn't give a damn about the house or you would have done something sooner.

Did she not have insurance? Who the hell owns a home and doesn't?


Eight years is a LONG time.  We're  not getting the whole story.  If I had to guess, she got an insurance payout and just spent the money on everything other than rebuilding.
2013-12-20 01:35:43 PM  
3 votes:

Russ1642: gilgigamesh: When she says "no lawyer would take our case" you can roughly translate this to: "no lawyer would work for free and front court costs out of his own pocket to boot".

I see this all the time. Hell, I would have taken her case if she was willing to pay me.

If your house is being slowly destroyed by a foundation problem you hire a contractor to fix it. No one expects the contractor to come in, front materials costs at his own expense and do the work for free. Yet for some inexplicable reason, people expect lawyers to ride in to save the day out of the goodness of our hearts. But, you know, we have mortgages too.

I blame bad Hollywood lawyer movies.

My foundation contractor did. No deposit at all for $12k worth of work.


There's a difference between working for free and getting paid on the backend. Since this woman would be battling the Parish on an injunction, there would be no attorney's fees available, so this woman was likely never going to pay her lawyer at all. That's why no lawyer would take her case.
2013-12-20 01:31:06 PM  
3 votes:
So the house sat empty with no attempt at repairs for 8 years. The owner makes a half hearted attempt to stall by getting a permit for repairs, but does nothing else for 6 months. The city sends out another letter that the house is set for demolition for lack of progress and the owner still does nothing for 6 more months. The city votes 2 months ago to demolish house and the owners still does nothing. The city finally knocks down the house and the owner runs crying to the media.

Did I get everything?

You had 8 damn years lady, you obviously didn't give a damn about the house or you would have done something sooner.

Did she not have insurance? Who the hell owns a home and doesn't?
2013-12-20 01:27:09 PM  
3 votes:
They tore down my house in another state before Christmas.  I had just lined up all the work in my head.  Zero pity.
2013-12-20 01:15:09 PM  
3 votes:
A couple of days before Christmas. Nice going, Grinches! Couldn't wait until after the new year?

I hate soulless city governments. They can f**k people over and justify it and just to screw with her a bit more, they're slapping a tax lien against the property to make her pay for demolishing her home.

The average person can run into all sorts of problems trying to navigate the rules and codes of a city and that 'no one is in the office now' trick has been pulled time and time again. Heck, I ran into a confusing mess trying to get my name added to the deed of my childhood home. City hall gave me a runaround and bad information until my sister-in-law, who knows the ins and outs of the local government, stepped in.

She got the paperwork, filled it out, had me sign it with a notary and filed it and it was all done in 24 hours -- unlike the two weeks I had spent running from office to office.

BTW, that 'notification' comment posted by a previous FARKer is no joke. You can find the notification of an action, which is required to be in public view, if you go through the second door on the left, past the bathrooms, down into the basement and check the 'public' bulletin board across from the rear fire doors.

I've also seen 'public' auctions of valuable properties held on the back stairs (a public space) with the government auctioneer (usually the local tax assessor) the bidder, another so-called bidder and a witness. Naturally, the second bidder will not offer a bid high enough to win.

The time and date as well as the place of the auction was displayed for public view -- by the fire doors in the basement. It was your problem if you didn't know this.

Funny how so much very expensive land claimed for taxes by the city suddenly got sold off to a handful of wealthy buyers for pennies on the dollar. We made the news once, years ago, when a lawyer bid on and won a property and everything that was on it, valued at 2 million, for $1.00. He justified it since the owner was a drug dealer he had defended, who lost and went to jail and didn't pay his bill.

Some folks had a problem with this for some reason
2013-12-20 12:47:42 PM  
3 votes:

Russ1642: My foundation contractor did. No deposit at all for $12k worth of work.


Good for you, but he's an idiot.
2013-12-20 01:39:44 PM  
2 votes:

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: msP: I just don't get how someone can knock down YOUR house, even if it's not finished. How is that fair?

[www.floridainsurancelawyerblog.com image 416x300]

You want to live next door to something that looks like this for 8 years?


Go back and re- read the article. Her house was destroyed by Katrina, and she had it torn down. Then, she started building a new house, but was taking forever to do so. She didn't leave the damaged home there for 8 years, she was taking that long to build the new one. There's a difference.
2013-12-20 01:29:42 PM  
2 votes:

Superjew: Russ1642: My foundation contractor did. No deposit at all for $12k worth of work.

Good for you, but he's an idiot.



I once got a new roof on a house, and the roofer actually *refused* a deposit I offered them.  Said I shouldn't pay them until I was satisfied that the work was done to my satisfaction.
2013-12-20 01:27:01 PM  
2 votes:

Abe Vigoda's Ghost:

[www.floridainsurancelawyerblog.com image 416x300]

You want to live next door to something that looks like this for 8 years?


If that really is the house in its current state, she should have put on a temporary roof and sealed the property (along with cleaning up the debris). 99% of the time that would be an acceptable temporary repair job.
2013-12-20 01:19:27 PM  
2 votes:

msP: I just don't get how someone can knock down YOUR house, even if it's not finished. How is that fair?


www.floridainsurancelawyerblog.com

You want to live next door to something that looks like this for 8 years?
2013-12-20 01:19:04 PM  
2 votes:

Dunkirk: gilgigamesh: I blame bad Hollywood lawyer movies.

My FIL is an attorney. I asked him if he ever watched any court room dramas, and he gave me a dismissive negative. It was in that moment that I realized courtroom drama, as portrayed on TV and in movies, is about as accurate as similarly-portrayed IT security.


My aunt is a nurse and she NEVER watches medical dramas, for the same reason.
2013-12-20 01:15:38 PM  
2 votes:
But she was FOR REALSIES gonna build a house this time.  Right now.  Right before they came and ruined it for her by improving the lot value.  AND RIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS!  Now where will she live and celebrate Christmas?!?!?!

Oh wait.. she lives in Mississippi.
2013-12-20 01:13:17 PM  
2 votes:

Smeggy Smurf: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: So, the house has been vacant and abandoned for 8 years now and she got a building permit 6 months ago (but didn't do anything with it) and she was told by the city that this was going to happen?

Sad story, but it's not like she didn't have ample opportunity to resolve the problem.

Exactly.  There is no sympathy for anybody that doesn't have their shiat together



If it's your home that's at stake, you'd think you could find some time in your schedule over the course of 8 years...
2013-12-20 01:12:25 PM  
2 votes:
gilgigamesh: I blame bad Hollywood lawyer movies.

My FIL is an attorney. I asked him if he ever watched any court room dramas, and he gave me a dismissive negative. It was in that moment that I realized courtroom drama, as portrayed on TV and in movies, is about as accurate as similarly-portrayed IT security.
2013-12-20 12:51:58 PM  
2 votes:

gilgigamesh: When she says "no lawyer would take our case" you can roughly translate this to: "no lawyer would work for free and front court costs out of his own pocket to boot".

I see this all the time. Hell, I would have taken her case if she was willing to pay me.

If your house is being slowly destroyed by a foundation problem you hire a contractor to fix it. No one expects the contractor to come in, front materials costs at his own expense and do the work for free. Yet for some inexplicable reason, people expect lawyers to ride in to save the day out of the goodness of our hearts. But, you know, we have mortgages too.

I blame bad Hollywood lawyer movies.


RTFA, a contractor ran off with her money.  But, I expect you didn't read it because you had no one to charge your time to.  I'd make a photocopy of the article for you but, you know, there's a fee for that
2013-12-20 12:51:42 PM  
2 votes:
An idiot who knows where you live.

As for permits, it's on you to not let them expire.  In my town they will re-up you with every inspection, so long as they see good progress being made.  And you can do a one time re-up for no reason at all.

After that, you're done, ready or not.

/ The city does not want to see you in their office every six months for ten years.   Which is how the DIY crowd tends to do things.  With no money, they take forever.  I've seen a kitchen remodel that should have taken five weeks take five *YEARS*.  There has to be an incentive to not have that happen.
2013-12-20 06:19:31 PM  
1 vote:

dennysgod: The city of Kenner sent her a letter in April, saying her work permit had expired due to six months of inactivity on the property.

"All we were trying to do was come back home and they didn't want to give us time, the city just wanted this house down," said Brittany Tullier, Reba's daughter.

Well, other then that that 6mo from when your were notified you work permits had expired and they voted to demo your house.


Right! In April, they told her the permit was expiring due to six months of no work being done. So that means no work has been done since at least OCTOBER 2012.
2013-12-20 05:48:44 PM  
1 vote:

downstairs


That being said, they should have waited until after the holidays.


Why? No one is living in in the house so no holiday will be disrupted. The neighbors might even appreciate having friends and family over to visit without having [as much of] an eyesore in the neighborhood.
2013-12-20 05:23:45 PM  
1 vote:

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: So, the house has been vacant and abandoned for 8 years now and she got a building permit 6 months ago (but didn't do anything with it) and she was told by the city that this was going to happen?

Sad story, but it's not like she didn't have ample opportunity to resolve the problem.


Honestly.  Katrina was almost 9 years ago.  The city was more than fair.
2013-12-20 01:50:58 PM  
1 vote:

starsrift: Guadior42: nmrsnr: The plans have been available in the local planning office, if she had only checked behind the door marked "beware of leopard."

[www.staggeringstories.net image 379x294]

I'm glad you posted the right HHGTTG.


Thanks. There was, is and ever shall be only one moving picture version of the story.

/
2013-12-20 01:48:44 PM  
1 vote:

ZAZ: I agree with the Angry Drunk Bureaucrat about this act of an angry drunk bureaucracy. The story reminded me of that kid who stole his father's car, led police on a chase, and was shot dead. He was "turning his life around." She was about to finally fix her house. Maybe.


I'm guessing her house was the proverbial '67 Mustang sitting on blocks in the back yard. Someday it's going to be a stunner . . . .
2013-12-20 01:48:06 PM  
1 vote:

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: So, the house has been vacant and abandoned for 8 years now and she got a building permit 6 months ago (but didn't do anything with it) and she was told by the city that this was going to happen?

Sad story, but it's not like she didn't have ample opportunity to resolve the problem.


Yeah, I was all ready to rant then I read the story.  Hurricane Katrina hit 8  years ago.  Years.  Not 8 days.  Not 8 weeks.  Not even 8 months.  Years.  Get your shiat together or move on.  When I was a kid, a neighbor's house burned down.  They cleared the rubble and lived in a 5th wheel trailer while rebuilding.  Except they never rebuilt.  Just lived out of the trailer for years, complaining they couldn't afford to rebuild.  What happened to the insurance money?  Well, the brand new, fully loaded 5th wheel was expensive.  Basically, they didn't know how to budget.  Instead of renting a place for 6 months or buying a cheap trailer, they blew their wad on the luxury 5th wheel and then didn't have the money to rebuild.  And they didn't have sufficient collateral/credit to get a loan.

About 10 years later, their no-longer-luxurious 5th wheel disappeared and we never heard from them again.  The empty lot is still there.
2013-12-20 01:45:24 PM  
1 vote:

Watubi: gilgigamesh: When she says "no lawyer would take our case" you can roughly translate this to: "no lawyer would work for free and front court costs out of his own pocket to boot".

I see this all the time. Hell, I would have taken her case if she was willing to pay me.

If your house is being slowly destroyed by a foundation problem you hire a contractor to fix it. No one expects the contractor to come in, front materials costs at his own expense and do the work for free. Yet for some inexplicable reason, people expect lawyers to ride in to save the day out of the goodness of our hearts. But, you know, we have mortgages too.

I blame bad Hollywood lawyer movies.

RTFA, a contractor ran off with her money.  But, I expect you didn't read it because you had no one to charge your time to.  I'd make a photocopy of the article for you but, you know, there's a fee for that


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2013-12-20 01:42:14 PM  
1 vote:

Greek: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: msP: I just don't get how someone can knock down YOUR house, even if it's not finished. How is that fair?

[www.floridainsurancelawyerblog.com image 416x300]

You want to live next door to something that looks like this for 8 years?

Go back and re- read the article. Her house was destroyed by Katrina, and she had it torn down. Then, she started building a new house, but was taking forever to do so. She didn't leave the damaged home there for 8 years, she was taking that long to build the new one. There's a difference.


It doesn't take eight years to rebuild a house.  Part of this story is missing.
2013-12-20 01:38:46 PM  
1 vote:

Nutsac_Jim: ReapTheChaos: Did she not have insurance? Who the hell owns a home and doesn't?

Stupid people who inherited it.


FIFY

If I got a free house, I'd be damn sure to insure it.  A monthly insurance payment is chump change compared to a mortgage.
2013-12-20 01:32:08 PM  
1 vote:

Watubi: gilgigamesh: When she says "no lawyer would take our case" you can roughly translate this to: "no lawyer would work for free and front court costs out of his own pocket to boot".

I see this all the time. Hell, I would have taken her case if she was willing to pay me.

If your house is being slowly destroyed by a foundation problem you hire a contractor to fix it. No one expects the contractor to come in, front materials costs at his own expense and do the work for free. Yet for some inexplicable reason, people expect lawyers to ride in to save the day out of the goodness of our hearts. But, you know, we have mortgages too.

I blame bad Hollywood lawyer movies.

RTFA, a contractor ran off with her money.  But, I expect you didn't read it because you had no one to charge your time to.  I'd make a photocopy of the article for you but, you know, there's a fee for that


Sorry, just because a contractor ran off with her money this week doesn't mean when she finds another willing to do the job he's required to do it for free.

Why is it people think "Pro Bono" is a magic word?  I've actually had a prospective client tell me, "But, I asked for Pro Bono.  That means you have to take my case for free!"  No.  No I do not.  I'm not required to take your case nor am I required to do it free of charge.  Please, go to your local mechanic and ask him to do your oil change for free because "pro bono" - see how far that gets you.

I'm still trying to figure out how the deadbeat dad that wanted to hire me to "save me from all these back child supports" figured that he could arrange it on contingency fee...  what exactly was I supposed to get 30% of?  He also offered to give me a check - on the account he had told me earlier was seized by the state DHS to pay some of his outstanding back child support.  Yeah... no....
2013-12-20 01:26:27 PM  
1 vote:
My Kenner gifts always came on Christmas day. They got theirs days before.
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2013-12-20 01:24:56 PM  
1 vote:

Mike Chewbacca: Dunkirk: gilgigamesh: I blame bad Hollywood lawyer movies.

My FIL is an attorney. I asked him if he ever watched any court room dramas, and he gave me a dismissive negative. It was in that moment that I realized courtroom drama, as portrayed on TV and in movies, is about as accurate as similarly-portrayed IT security.

My aunt is a nurse and she NEVER watches medical dramas, for the same reason.


We made my Dad (a pediatrician) watch an episode of House once, just to see his reactions to it. Medical dramas are complete fantasy.
2013-12-20 01:21:18 PM  
1 vote:

Guadior42: nmrsnr: The plans have been available in the local planning office, if she had only checked behind the door marked "beware of leopard."

[www.staggeringstories.net image 379x294]


I'm glad you posted the right HHGTTG.
2013-12-20 01:12:28 PM  
1 vote:

mcreadyblue: Clearing off a lot costs money. Sounds like the city may have saved her time and money.


The city put a lien on her tax bill to charge her for the cost of demolition.
msP
2013-12-20 01:10:18 PM  
1 vote:
I just don't get how someone can knock down YOUR house, even if it's not finished. How is that fair?
2013-12-20 12:48:46 PM  
1 vote:
Clearing off a lot costs money. Sounds like the city may have saved her time and money.
2013-12-20 12:48:37 PM  
1 vote:

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: So, the house has been vacant and abandoned for 8 years now and she got a building permit 6 months ago (but didn't do anything with it) and she was told by the city that this was going to happen?

Sad story, but it's not like she didn't have ample opportunity to resolve the problem.


Exactly.  There is no sympathy for anybody that doesn't have their shiat together
2013-12-20 12:45:45 PM  
1 vote:

nmrsnr: The plans have been available in the local planning office, if she had only checked behind the door marked "beware of leopard."


www.staggeringstories.net
2013-12-20 12:43:25 PM  
1 vote:
On the plus side, the bulldozer operator got overtime for the job and is getting his kids a new iPad for Christmas!
2013-12-20 12:43:05 PM  
1 vote:

gilgigamesh: When she says "no lawyer would take our case" you can roughly translate this to: "no lawyer would work for free and front court costs out of his own pocket to boot".

I see this all the time. Hell, I would have taken her case if she was willing to pay me.

If your house is being slowly destroyed by a foundation problem you hire a contractor to fix it. No one expects the contractor to come in, front materials costs at his own expense and do the work for free. Yet for some inexplicable reason, people expect lawyers to ride in to save the day out of the goodness of our hearts. But, you know, we have mortgages too.

I blame bad Hollywood lawyer movies.


My foundation contractor did. No deposit at all for $12k worth of work.
2013-12-20 11:31:18 AM  
1 vote:
The plans have been available in the local planning office, if she had only checked behind the door marked "beware of leopard."
 
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