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(WTAE)   You are rebuilding your house after Katrina hit. Do you: A) Get all the permits? B) Enlist volunteers to help out? C) Watch the city bulldoze it days before Christmas? D) All of the above?   (wtae.com) divider line 77
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2013-12-20 11:31:18 AM  
The plans have been available in the local planning office, if she had only checked behind the door marked "beware of leopard."
 
2013-12-20 11:36:11 AM  
So, the house has been vacant and abandoned for 8 years now and she got a building permit 6 months ago (but didn't do anything with it) and she was told by the city that this was going to happen?

Sad story, but it's not like she didn't have ample opportunity to resolve the problem.
 
2013-12-20 12:20:52 PM  
When she says "no lawyer would take our case" you can roughly translate this to: "no lawyer would work for free and front court costs out of his own pocket to boot".

I see this all the time. Hell, I would have taken her case if she was willing to pay me.

If your house is being slowly destroyed by a foundation problem you hire a contractor to fix it. No one expects the contractor to come in, front materials costs at his own expense and do the work for free. Yet for some inexplicable reason, people expect lawyers to ride in to save the day out of the goodness of our hearts. But, you know, we have mortgages too.

I blame bad Hollywood lawyer movies.
 
2013-12-20 12:43:05 PM  

gilgigamesh: When she says "no lawyer would take our case" you can roughly translate this to: "no lawyer would work for free and front court costs out of his own pocket to boot".

I see this all the time. Hell, I would have taken her case if she was willing to pay me.

If your house is being slowly destroyed by a foundation problem you hire a contractor to fix it. No one expects the contractor to come in, front materials costs at his own expense and do the work for free. Yet for some inexplicable reason, people expect lawyers to ride in to save the day out of the goodness of our hearts. But, you know, we have mortgages too.

I blame bad Hollywood lawyer movies.


My foundation contractor did. No deposit at all for $12k worth of work.
 
2013-12-20 12:43:25 PM  
On the plus side, the bulldozer operator got overtime for the job and is getting his kids a new iPad for Christmas!
 
2013-12-20 12:45:45 PM  

nmrsnr: The plans have been available in the local planning office, if she had only checked behind the door marked "beware of leopard."


www.staggeringstories.net
 
2013-12-20 12:47:42 PM  

Russ1642: My foundation contractor did. No deposit at all for $12k worth of work.


Good for you, but he's an idiot.
 
2013-12-20 12:48:37 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: So, the house has been vacant and abandoned for 8 years now and she got a building permit 6 months ago (but didn't do anything with it) and she was told by the city that this was going to happen?

Sad story, but it's not like she didn't have ample opportunity to resolve the problem.


Exactly.  There is no sympathy for anybody that doesn't have their shiat together
 
2013-12-20 12:48:46 PM  
Clearing off a lot costs money. Sounds like the city may have saved her time and money.
 
2013-12-20 12:51:42 PM  
An idiot who knows where you live.

As for permits, it's on you to not let them expire.  In my town they will re-up you with every inspection, so long as they see good progress being made.  And you can do a one time re-up for no reason at all.

After that, you're done, ready or not.

/ The city does not want to see you in their office every six months for ten years.   Which is how the DIY crowd tends to do things.  With no money, they take forever.  I've seen a kitchen remodel that should have taken five weeks take five *YEARS*.  There has to be an incentive to not have that happen.
 
2013-12-20 12:51:58 PM  

gilgigamesh: When she says "no lawyer would take our case" you can roughly translate this to: "no lawyer would work for free and front court costs out of his own pocket to boot".

I see this all the time. Hell, I would have taken her case if she was willing to pay me.

If your house is being slowly destroyed by a foundation problem you hire a contractor to fix it. No one expects the contractor to come in, front materials costs at his own expense and do the work for free. Yet for some inexplicable reason, people expect lawyers to ride in to save the day out of the goodness of our hearts. But, you know, we have mortgages too.

I blame bad Hollywood lawyer movies.


RTFA, a contractor ran off with her money.  But, I expect you didn't read it because you had no one to charge your time to.  I'd make a photocopy of the article for you but, you know, there's a fee for that
 
2013-12-20 12:53:26 PM  
It took them eight years to raze the place?  It was unoccupied and a safety hazard for almost a decade. Is the owner going to pay for the cost of demolition?
 
2013-12-20 12:55:02 PM  
Having permits doesn't guarantee anything...
 
2013-12-20 01:06:05 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Having permits doesn't guarantee anything...


Hell, usually the Municipality will cut you some slack if they see any evidence of work being done.
 
msP
2013-12-20 01:10:18 PM  
I just don't get how someone can knock down YOUR house, even if it's not finished. How is that fair?
 
2013-12-20 01:12:25 PM  
gilgigamesh: I blame bad Hollywood lawyer movies.

My FIL is an attorney. I asked him if he ever watched any court room dramas, and he gave me a dismissive negative. It was in that moment that I realized courtroom drama, as portrayed on TV and in movies, is about as accurate as similarly-portrayed IT security.
 
2013-12-20 01:12:25 PM  

gilgigamesh: When she says "no lawyer would take our case" you can roughly translate this to: "no lawyer would work for free and front court costs out of his own pocket to boot".

I see this all the time. Hell, I would have taken her case if she was willing to pay me.

If your house is being slowly destroyed by a foundation problem you hire a contractor to fix it. No one expects the contractor to come in, front materials costs at his own expense and do the work for free. Yet for some inexplicable reason, people expect lawyers to ride in to save the day out of the goodness of our hearts. But, you know, we have mortgages too.

I blame bad Hollywood lawyer movies.


Can't stress this enough. Just like: "all lawyers are scum"....until you need one.
 
2013-12-20 01:12:28 PM  

mcreadyblue: Clearing off a lot costs money. Sounds like the city may have saved her time and money.


The city put a lien on her tax bill to charge her for the cost of demolition.
 
2013-12-20 01:13:17 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: So, the house has been vacant and abandoned for 8 years now and she got a building permit 6 months ago (but didn't do anything with it) and she was told by the city that this was going to happen?

Sad story, but it's not like she didn't have ample opportunity to resolve the problem.

Exactly.  There is no sympathy for anybody that doesn't have their shiat together



If it's your home that's at stake, you'd think you could find some time in your schedule over the course of 8 years...
 
2013-12-20 01:15:09 PM  
A couple of days before Christmas. Nice going, Grinches! Couldn't wait until after the new year?

I hate soulless city governments. They can f**k people over and justify it and just to screw with her a bit more, they're slapping a tax lien against the property to make her pay for demolishing her home.

The average person can run into all sorts of problems trying to navigate the rules and codes of a city and that 'no one is in the office now' trick has been pulled time and time again. Heck, I ran into a confusing mess trying to get my name added to the deed of my childhood home. City hall gave me a runaround and bad information until my sister-in-law, who knows the ins and outs of the local government, stepped in.

She got the paperwork, filled it out, had me sign it with a notary and filed it and it was all done in 24 hours -- unlike the two weeks I had spent running from office to office.

BTW, that 'notification' comment posted by a previous FARKer is no joke. You can find the notification of an action, which is required to be in public view, if you go through the second door on the left, past the bathrooms, down into the basement and check the 'public' bulletin board across from the rear fire doors.

I've also seen 'public' auctions of valuable properties held on the back stairs (a public space) with the government auctioneer (usually the local tax assessor) the bidder, another so-called bidder and a witness. Naturally, the second bidder will not offer a bid high enough to win.

The time and date as well as the place of the auction was displayed for public view -- by the fire doors in the basement. It was your problem if you didn't know this.

Funny how so much very expensive land claimed for taxes by the city suddenly got sold off to a handful of wealthy buyers for pennies on the dollar. We made the news once, years ago, when a lawyer bid on and won a property and everything that was on it, valued at 2 million, for $1.00. He justified it since the owner was a drug dealer he had defended, who lost and went to jail and didn't pay his bill.

Some folks had a problem with this for some reason
 
2013-12-20 01:15:38 PM  
But she was FOR REALSIES gonna build a house this time.  Right now.  Right before they came and ruined it for her by improving the lot value.  AND RIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS!  Now where will she live and celebrate Christmas?!?!?!

Oh wait.. she lives in Mississippi.
 
2013-12-20 01:18:09 PM  

Dunkirk: gilgigamesh: I blame bad Hollywood lawyer movies.

My FIL is an attorney. I asked him if he ever watched any court room dramas, and he gave me a dismissive negative. It was in that moment that I realized courtroom drama, as portrayed on TV and in movies, is about as accurate as similarly-portrayed IT security.


You mean to say that 2 people typing on one keyboard isn't the best way to stop a hacker?
 
2013-12-20 01:19:04 PM  

Dunkirk: gilgigamesh: I blame bad Hollywood lawyer movies.

My FIL is an attorney. I asked him if he ever watched any court room dramas, and he gave me a dismissive negative. It was in that moment that I realized courtroom drama, as portrayed on TV and in movies, is about as accurate as similarly-portrayed IT security.


My aunt is a nurse and she NEVER watches medical dramas, for the same reason.
 
2013-12-20 01:19:27 PM  

msP: I just don't get how someone can knock down YOUR house, even if it's not finished. How is that fair?


www.floridainsurancelawyerblog.com

You want to live next door to something that looks like this for 8 years?
 
2013-12-20 01:21:18 PM  

Guadior42: nmrsnr: The plans have been available in the local planning office, if she had only checked behind the door marked "beware of leopard."

[www.staggeringstories.net image 379x294]


I'm glad you posted the right HHGTTG.
 
2013-12-20 01:21:51 PM  
For a Katrina house, that doesn't look half bad.
 
2013-12-20 01:24:12 PM  

jshine: Smeggy Smurf: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: So, the house has been vacant and abandoned for 8 years now and she got a building permit 6 months ago (but didn't do anything with it) and she was told by the city that this was going to happen?

Sad story, but it's not like she didn't have ample opportunity to resolve the problem.

Exactly.  There is no sympathy for anybody that doesn't have their shiat together


If it's your home that's at stake, you'd think you could find some time in your schedule over the course of 8 years...


You would think so.  I work in architecture.  You'd be amazed how much time, effort and money is thrown away due to incompetence in time management on the client's behalf.
 
2013-12-20 01:24:56 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: Dunkirk: gilgigamesh: I blame bad Hollywood lawyer movies.

My FIL is an attorney. I asked him if he ever watched any court room dramas, and he gave me a dismissive negative. It was in that moment that I realized courtroom drama, as portrayed on TV and in movies, is about as accurate as similarly-portrayed IT security.

My aunt is a nurse and she NEVER watches medical dramas, for the same reason.


We made my Dad (a pediatrician) watch an episode of House once, just to see his reactions to it. Medical dramas are complete fantasy.
 
2013-12-20 01:26:27 PM  
My Kenner gifts always came on Christmas day. They got theirs days before.
s23.postimg.org
 
2013-12-20 01:26:59 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: So, the house has been vacant and abandoned for 8 years now and she got a building permit 6 months ago (but didn't do anything with it) and she was told by the city that this was going to happen?

Sad story, but it's not like she didn't have ample opportunity to resolve the problem.


I feel like we didn't get the full story from that article.  I want to feel sorry for them.  It's not always easy to get financing and good builders to fix your house, but then again, maybe it was a blight on the area.

I dunno.
 
2013-12-20 01:27:01 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost:

[www.floridainsurancelawyerblog.com image 416x300]

You want to live next door to something that looks like this for 8 years?


If that really is the house in its current state, she should have put on a temporary roof and sealed the property (along with cleaning up the debris). 99% of the time that would be an acceptable temporary repair job.
 
2013-12-20 01:27:09 PM  
They tore down my house in another state before Christmas.  I had just lined up all the work in my head.  Zero pity.
 
2013-12-20 01:27:20 PM  

Watubi: gilgigamesh: When she says "no lawyer would take our case" you can roughly translate this to: "no lawyer would work for free and front court costs out of his own pocket to boot".

I see this all the time. Hell, I would have taken her case if she was willing to pay me.

If your house is being slowly destroyed by a foundation problem you hire a contractor to fix it. No one expects the contractor to come in, front materials costs at his own expense and do the work for free. Yet for some inexplicable reason, people expect lawyers to ride in to save the day out of the goodness of our hearts. But, you know, we have mortgages too.

I blame bad Hollywood lawyer movies.

RTFA, a contractor ran off with her money.  But, I expect you didn't read it because you had no one to charge your time to.  I'd make a photocopy of the article for you but, you know, there's a fee for that


Of course I did. It happened quite a bit right after Katrina, because people were hiring unlicensed charlatans from out of state to save a few bucks who -- surprise surprise -- disappeared as soon as the check cleared.

But that was 8 years ago. If she couldn't raise any more money to save her house then so be it, she could have sucked it up and sold the property.

What she can't do is make her neighbors deal with that fricking eyesore basically forever because she is stuck in a rut.

That'll be $500 please. Let me know where I can send the bill.
 
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2013-12-20 01:27:58 PM  
I agree with the Angry Drunk Bureaucrat about this act of an angry drunk bureaucracy. The story reminded me of that kid who stole his father's car, led police on a chase, and was shot dead. He was "turning his life around." She was about to finally fix her house. Maybe.
 
2013-12-20 01:29:42 PM  

Superjew: Russ1642: My foundation contractor did. No deposit at all for $12k worth of work.

Good for you, but he's an idiot.



I once got a new roof on a house, and the roofer actually *refused* a deposit I offered them.  Said I shouldn't pay them until I was satisfied that the work was done to my satisfaction.
 
2013-12-20 01:30:07 PM  
Fark her--it's been long enough to figure Katrina shiat out.

So sick of that stinkhole city.  Never should have been built in the first place, let alone the decades of piss-poor planning.
 
2013-12-20 01:30:59 PM  
I blame;

Barack Obama, the federal government, Glenn Beck, the lost city of Atlantis, electric light, Harry Reid, the Loch Ness Monster, Yeti Man, Voodoo, hot coals, running shoes, lip balm, homophobic duck calls, Rush Limbaugh, the Pope, US HAY, the 3:30 Autogyro, Sean Hannity, CNN, zoning laws, WiFi hot spots, global warming, global cooling, climate change, climate change deniers, climate change profiteers, second hand cheap sex, Alex Jones, Keith Olbermann, temporary spare tires, black ice (once you go black ;-), stolen cars, stolen glory, faded glory, Wal Mart, Sam's club, a stolen Target debit card number, the Target dog, cheap iPhones, cheap iPads, Steve Jobs, Johnny Ive, Steve Wozniack, Bill Gates, Sam Nunn, James Brady, John Hinckley, Rohm RG, Alexander Haig being "in control here", men's fashion underpants, the Obamacare Pajama douche, hot chocolate, bad curly hair cuts, talks about health care, being busted Flat in Baton Rouge, Moulin Rouge, smelling like Teen Spirit, Nicole Kidman, Tom Cruise, Days of Thunder, Top Gun, Kelly McGills, the fact that it was "a long cruise, sailor, a high speed flyby of five air control towers, and one Admiral's daughter.

Penny Benjamin.....
 
2013-12-20 01:31:06 PM  
So the house sat empty with no attempt at repairs for 8 years. The owner makes a half hearted attempt to stall by getting a permit for repairs, but does nothing else for 6 months. The city sends out another letter that the house is set for demolition for lack of progress and the owner still does nothing for 6 more months. The city votes 2 months ago to demolish house and the owners still does nothing. The city finally knocks down the house and the owner runs crying to the media.

Did I get everything?

You had 8 damn years lady, you obviously didn't give a damn about the house or you would have done something sooner.

Did she not have insurance? Who the hell owns a home and doesn't?
 
2013-12-20 01:32:08 PM  

Watubi: gilgigamesh: When she says "no lawyer would take our case" you can roughly translate this to: "no lawyer would work for free and front court costs out of his own pocket to boot".

I see this all the time. Hell, I would have taken her case if she was willing to pay me.

If your house is being slowly destroyed by a foundation problem you hire a contractor to fix it. No one expects the contractor to come in, front materials costs at his own expense and do the work for free. Yet for some inexplicable reason, people expect lawyers to ride in to save the day out of the goodness of our hearts. But, you know, we have mortgages too.

I blame bad Hollywood lawyer movies.

RTFA, a contractor ran off with her money.  But, I expect you didn't read it because you had no one to charge your time to.  I'd make a photocopy of the article for you but, you know, there's a fee for that


Sorry, just because a contractor ran off with her money this week doesn't mean when she finds another willing to do the job he's required to do it for free.

Why is it people think "Pro Bono" is a magic word?  I've actually had a prospective client tell me, "But, I asked for Pro Bono.  That means you have to take my case for free!"  No.  No I do not.  I'm not required to take your case nor am I required to do it free of charge.  Please, go to your local mechanic and ask him to do your oil change for free because "pro bono" - see how far that gets you.

I'm still trying to figure out how the deadbeat dad that wanted to hire me to "save me from all these back child supports" figured that he could arrange it on contingency fee...  what exactly was I supposed to get 30% of?  He also offered to give me a check - on the account he had told me earlier was seized by the state DHS to pay some of his outstanding back child support.  Yeah... no....
 
2013-12-20 01:33:44 PM  
But I was going to fix that.
 
2013-12-20 01:34:27 PM  
The city of Kenner sent her a letter in April, saying her work permit had expired due to six months of inactivity on the property.

wtf  it took me 3 years to finish my basement what with all the life that happens and all.

The only hint that my county cared about the speed of my work was when the tax collector called wanting to know if it was done yet so he can tax me more.
 
2013-12-20 01:35:43 PM  

Russ1642: gilgigamesh: When she says "no lawyer would take our case" you can roughly translate this to: "no lawyer would work for free and front court costs out of his own pocket to boot".

I see this all the time. Hell, I would have taken her case if she was willing to pay me.

If your house is being slowly destroyed by a foundation problem you hire a contractor to fix it. No one expects the contractor to come in, front materials costs at his own expense and do the work for free. Yet for some inexplicable reason, people expect lawyers to ride in to save the day out of the goodness of our hearts. But, you know, we have mortgages too.

I blame bad Hollywood lawyer movies.

My foundation contractor did. No deposit at all for $12k worth of work.


There's a difference between working for free and getting paid on the backend. Since this woman would be battling the Parish on an injunction, there would be no attorney's fees available, so this woman was likely never going to pay her lawyer at all. That's why no lawyer would take her case.
 
2013-12-20 01:35:48 PM  

ReapTheChaos: Did she not have insurance? Who the hell owns a home and doesn't?


People who inherited it.
 
2013-12-20 01:36:33 PM  
ReapTheChaos:

.....

You had 8 damn years lady, you obviously didn't give a damn about the house or you would have done something sooner.

Did she not have insurance? Who the hell owns a home and doesn't?


Eight years is a LONG time.  We're  not getting the whole story.  If I had to guess, she got an insurance payout and just spent the money on everything other than rebuilding.
 
2013-12-20 01:38:46 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: ReapTheChaos: Did she not have insurance? Who the hell owns a home and doesn't?

Stupid people who inherited it.


FIFY

If I got a free house, I'd be damn sure to insure it.  A monthly insurance payment is chump change compared to a mortgage.
 
2013-12-20 01:39:44 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: msP: I just don't get how someone can knock down YOUR house, even if it's not finished. How is that fair?

[www.floridainsurancelawyerblog.com image 416x300]

You want to live next door to something that looks like this for 8 years?


Go back and re- read the article. Her house was destroyed by Katrina, and she had it torn down. Then, she started building a new house, but was taking forever to do so. She didn't leave the damaged home there for 8 years, she was taking that long to build the new one. There's a difference.
 
2013-12-20 01:41:11 PM  

fickenchucker: Fark her--it's been long enough to figure Katrina shiat out.

So sick of that stinkhole city.  Never should have been built in the first place, let alone the decades of piss-poor planning.


You know Kenner is not New Orleans, right? Also, New Orleans is doing just fine, thank you. Its more economically prosperous than it has been in decades. People are moving to the area in droves because it has better job opportunities than the rest of the country. Plus, well... its New Orleans

Actually, strike all that. You're right, its a shiathole. You'd be better off staying in whatever fascinating place you live in. I'm sure its much better there.
 
2013-12-20 01:42:14 PM  

Greek: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: msP: I just don't get how someone can knock down YOUR house, even if it's not finished. How is that fair?

[www.floridainsurancelawyerblog.com image 416x300]

You want to live next door to something that looks like this for 8 years?

Go back and re- read the article. Her house was destroyed by Katrina, and she had it torn down. Then, she started building a new house, but was taking forever to do so. She didn't leave the damaged home there for 8 years, she was taking that long to build the new one. There's a difference.


It doesn't take eight years to rebuild a house.  Part of this story is missing.
 
2013-12-20 01:44:48 PM  

Greek: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: msP: I just don't get how someone can knock down YOUR house, even if it's not finished. How is that fair?

[www.floridainsurancelawyerblog.com image 416x300]

You want to live next door to something that looks like this for 8 years?

Go back and re- read the article. Her house was destroyed by Katrina, and she had it torn down. Then, she started building a new house, ...


Stop right there, Ive heard this story. It burned down, fell over, then sank into the swamp  ?
 
2013-12-20 01:45:24 PM  

Watubi: gilgigamesh: When she says "no lawyer would take our case" you can roughly translate this to: "no lawyer would work for free and front court costs out of his own pocket to boot".

I see this all the time. Hell, I would have taken her case if she was willing to pay me.

If your house is being slowly destroyed by a foundation problem you hire a contractor to fix it. No one expects the contractor to come in, front materials costs at his own expense and do the work for free. Yet for some inexplicable reason, people expect lawyers to ride in to save the day out of the goodness of our hearts. But, you know, we have mortgages too.

I blame bad Hollywood lawyer movies.

RTFA, a contractor ran off with her money.  But, I expect you didn't read it because you had no one to charge your time to.  I'd make a photocopy of the article for you but, you know, there's a fee for that


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