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2013-12-20 09:22:14 AM
They lost $4.4 billion in a quarter? Holy sh*t!
 
2013-12-20 09:22:36 AM
Cell phone users 10 years from now:  "What do cell phones have to do with fruit?"
 
2013-12-20 09:44:03 AM

NewportBarGuy: They lost $4.4 billion in a quarter? Holy sh*t!

 
2013-12-20 10:08:55 AM
They were a $5billion company at the beginning of the quarter....
 
2013-12-20 10:17:46 AM
I'd say they were cratering, but it looks like they're so far down they've decided to say fark it, trade their helmets for headlamps, and shoot for the other side of the world.
 
2013-12-20 11:06:25 AM
Too Big to Fail?
 
2013-12-20 11:28:15 AM
Stock is up over a buck....

I don't get it. I should invest in belly button lint.
 
2013-12-20 11:34:55 AM

R.A.Danny: Stock is up over a buck....

I don't get it. I should invest in belly button lint.


Just shorted it. Seems like easy money. Which means it will probably hit $10.
 
2013-12-20 12:00:24 PM

R.A.Danny: Stock is up over a buck....

I don't get it. I should invest in belly button lint.


My take:  It's a shell game now.  The investors who went long are rushing to jack up the price enough to cover all/most of their positions, then they'll cash-out, leaving the guys who shorted the stock to cannibalize what's left.
 
2013-12-20 12:23:07 PM
I'd no idea that Blackberries still existed.
 
2013-12-20 12:24:34 PM
The answer is simple, they got competition.

The death nell for them was when they weren't able to use their pager patent to bludgeon other providers out of the mobile email market.     While the early WinCE and Palm options had email they pretty much sucked.   As soon as Apple and Android got out there with some decent UI, they blew the doors off the stagnant Blackberry.     It's only a matter of time until there "what we do best" focus on corporate security gets eroded away as well.   Apple is pretty much already there (and some of their app providers are providing it as add ons) and I suspect Android would be there soon as well.
 
2013-12-20 12:25:14 PM
They still think that there are people under 50 who want a blackberry.
 
2013-12-20 12:27:27 PM

Apos: I'd no idea that Blackberries still existed.


I think the only reason Blackberry is still in business is because of big businesses and government agencies that still only allow staff to check e-mail on company-issued Blackberries because they update their IT policies at a glacial pace.  My employer is one such company, although I have heard that our IT department is thinking about switching to iPhones.
 
2013-12-20 12:28:51 PM
The recent Blackberry ads showing young hipsters and rock stars using their product will forever be stored next to the pets.com dog in my memory drawer.
 
2013-12-20 12:29:41 PM
"Blackberry sunk deeper into a jam....."

I lol'd.
 
2013-12-20 12:32:25 PM

rnatalie: The answer is simple, they got competition.

The death nell for them was when they weren't able to use their pager patent to bludgeon other providers out of the mobile email market.     While the early WinCE and Palm options had email they pretty much sucked.   As soon as Apple and Android got out there with some decent UI, they blew the doors off the stagnant Blackberry.     It's only a matter of time until there "what we do best" focus on corporate security gets eroded away as well.   Apple is pretty much already there (and some of their app providers are providing it as add ons) and I suspect Android would be there soon as well.


I haven't looked into Android in a while, but before we got bought out (and were forced into a glacial IT policy), I was able to get e-mail from the company's Exchange server on my Droid using Touchdown.  Admittedly it didn't integrate with the rest of the Android ecosystem very well (maybe it's improved since then?), but since it was my own personal device, I preferred having at least some level of isolation between business and personal.
 
2013-12-20 12:32:59 PM
Their main attraction apparently was security.  I guess lots of people are more concerned about other attractions.
 
2013-12-20 12:34:45 PM

Apos: I'd no idea that Blackberries still existed.


You still see a surprising number of them in NYC, presumably issued by companies that haven't adopted BYOD.  The Feds still (mostly) use them too.
 
2013-12-20 12:35:17 PM

rnatalie: The answer is simple, they got competition.

The death nell for them was when they weren't able to use their pager patent to bludgeon other providers out of the mobile email market.     While the early WinCE and Palm options had email they pretty much sucked.   As soon as Apple and Android got out there with some decent UI, they blew the doors off the stagnant Blackberry.     It's only a matter of time until there "what we do best" focus on corporate security gets eroded away as well.   Apple is pretty much already there (and some of their app providers are providing it as add ons) and I suspect Android would be there soon as well.


Knell..Death Knell.

Death Nell is the lead singer of an all-women goth band.
 
2013-12-20 12:36:06 PM
What Siri really said:   Ha! Blackberry's mother was a hamster and her father smelled of elderberry wine! I fatrt in Blackberry's general direction.
 
2013-12-20 12:36:55 PM
A company that had two CEOs is crumbling?
 
2013-12-20 12:39:04 PM

rnatalie: The answer is simple, they got competition.

The death nell for them was when they weren't able to use their pager patent to bludgeon other providers out of the mobile email market.     While the early WinCE and Palm options had email they pretty much sucked.   As soon as Apple and Android got out there with some decent UI, they blew the doors off the stagnant Blackberry.     It's only a matter of time until there "what we do best" focus on corporate security gets eroded away as well.   Apple is pretty much already there (and some of their app providers are providing it as add ons) and I suspect Android would be there soon as well.


No, it's more of a tortoise and hare story.  Blackberry got out to a huge early lead and then stopped innovating. By the time the others had caught up with them it was too late to get up to speed and they lost the race.
 
2013-12-20 12:39:43 PM

anfrind: Apos: I'd no idea that Blackberries still existed.

I think the only reason Blackberry is still in business is because of big businesses and government agencies that still only allow staff to check e-mail on company-issued Blackberries because they update their IT policies at a glacial pace.  My employer is one such company, although I have heard that our IT department is thinking about switching to iPhones.


That and software issues.  Our company was Blackberry only until recently due to Lotus Notes email and calendar having issues work with I-Phone and Droids correctly, plus a few other sales specific ordering and inventory packages.

Think they started letting people get non-BBs in the spring/summer.  Still using my Blackberry Storm; don't have many issues with it, might do an upgrade after the holidays.
 
2013-12-20 12:40:28 PM
Foxconn will rule the world!!
 
2013-12-20 12:40:36 PM
I think back to around 2005 when it seemed like all the smug cocks used to come into meetings and put their Blackberries on the tables in front of them or use them in their laps, and all I can do is smile. A Blackberry was the surest sign of a complete corporate wanker, the kind who would make you come to pointless meetings while they ignored everything and sent email.

/Yeah, I know the smug cocks are using iPhones now, but so is everyone else, so they aren't so special anymore.
 
2013-12-20 12:42:23 PM

caddisfly: The recent Blackberry ads showing young hipsters and rock stars using their product will forever be stored next to the pets.com dog in my memory drawer.


Do you catalog those images with a CueCat?
 
2013-12-20 12:43:00 PM

anfrind: Apos: I'd no idea that Blackberries still existed.

I think the only reason Blackberry is still in business is because of big businesses and government agencies that still only allow staff to check e-mail on company-issued Blackberries because they update their IT policies at a glacial pace.  My employer is one such company, although I have heard that our IT department is thinking about switching to iPhones.


As was mine (large publicly traded contractor).  We just moved to IPhones late last year.  It'll take 2 - 3 years to phase the Blackberry devices out, but they stopped issuing them entirely early this year.
 
2013-12-20 12:44:38 PM
CrapBerry is just circling the toilet.

And not a moment too soon, those devices were absolute garbage and I really hope I never have to think about supporting one again.
 
2013-12-20 12:44:52 PM
I do have certain amount of sadness in watching the fall of Blackberry. Canadian company, one time best at what they did, but unable to innovate.

As alluded to above, yeah, those "hip" commercials were painful to watch. They needed to realize they had lost the consumer mobile market, and concentrate on the corporate/enterprise backend.

At the same time, I often read, especially in Fark BB threads, "yeah we're about to retire our BES. Nobody wants to use their phones."
 
2013-12-20 12:46:18 PM

anfrind: Apos: I'd no idea that Blackberries still existed.

I think the only reason Blackberry is still in business is because of big businesses and government agencies that still only allow staff to check e-mail on company-issued Blackberries because they update their IT policies at a glacial pace.  My employer is one such company, although I have heard that our IT department is thinking about switching to iPhones.


Blackberrys really are still more secure than other devices, so everything that needs ultra high security is still using them. Obama apparently wanted to switch to an iPhone, for example, but he's currently on a specially modified Blackberry (though he was on a custom order thing at the beginning of his Presidency, which might be what they force him back to), and they won't let him switch. But DoD and the other security services have been laying the IT groundwork for a few months now to upgrade their networks and allow them to lock down apple and android devices in preparation for the transition. Security or not, Blackberry is going to die.
 
2013-12-20 12:52:26 PM
Canada, like France, can come up with some really great ideas and products, but we seem to lack the staying power to keep those business plans rolling along. Take, for example, Mitel (Canada), Nortel (Canada), Corel (Canada), and Minitel (France). They were a decade or two ahead of the curve. But the locus of the curve kept moving.

For one thing, you can't rest on your laurels when you are number one. You have to keep the innovation and the courage of a young start-up for all of your life or you become a mammoth and then a dinosaur.

For another thing, it is really, really hard to crack the US market. Big companies, big ideas form elsewhere go to America to die. There's a whole other level of ruthlessness and competition in American markets and if you aren't American you start with a handicap of not being native-born American even if you have something wonderful in the way of improvements and innovations.

Blackberry did not become America's sweetheart. It remained a Canadian company with Canadian management. Sure, the customers loved it--it was the phone of choice for Bill Clinton's administration and was still preferred by bureaucrats and government types when Obama came to office.

But the consumer market is more fickle than the business market, and the US business market more go-ahead and bootstrapy than even some of the most competitive and entrepreneurial nations.

And so Blackberry died on the vine, so to speak. It may still do everything you need it to do and do that well, but Apple is cool. Apple costs twice as much so its chic. Even at twice the price Apple costs eight times the price (once you have purchased the RAM that isn't in the machine in the form of Cloud storage and WiFi access and ISP broadband and so forth.)

So at eight times the cost of its most costly competitors, Apple is still the benchmark and the over-price running shoe that the kids have to have.

Bling-bling, baby. Apple is the machine that rap stars, thugs and basketball players flash. Who cares what telephone the President of the United States has?

To tell the truth, I think those tiny Chiklet keys look adorable, especially on a blood red face plate. But I wouldn't want to type on them.

By the way, I think I should point out that I have put Skype on my iPod Touch, so it now has everything you could want in a telephone--including the telephone. Not that I want a telephone, but hey, it's a back-up system to my land line, my desktop, my laptop, my netbook, and, get this, to 1970s style pay telephones. They still exist. There is one right down the street. Sadly, it is not Royal Red. And it isn't going to be. Stephen Harper likes to brand Canada in Tory Blue, not Liberal or Royal Red.

I am not going to whine about how unfair the world is to Canada. We need to fix ourselves before we talk about fixing the world. But do you suppose a giant American corporations is fair to anybody? Hell, no. Not even Google. And Apple and Microsoft were the models for Douglas Adams' HHGTTG after it went all corporate and slick and evil. Douglas Adams wrote on an Apple. He was a fan boy before he was a critic of Apple.
 
2013-12-20 12:52:53 PM
i wish there were more qwerty phones.
 
2013-12-20 12:55:46 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: Their main attraction apparently was security.  I guess lots of people are more concerned about other attractions.


Let me tell you about my new venereal disease. But I can't talk here on Fark.com. Let's go over to Facebook, Twitter and the NSA lobby by the guy with the parabolic listening device behind the ferns.
 
2013-12-20 12:55:55 PM

cptjeff: anfrind: Apos: I'd no idea that Blackberries still existed.

I think the only reason Blackberry is still in business is because of big businesses and government agencies that still only allow staff to check e-mail on company-issued Blackberries because they update their IT policies at a glacial pace.  My employer is one such company, although I have heard that our IT department is thinking about switching to iPhones.

Blackberrys really are still more secure than other devices, so everything that needs ultra high security is still using them. Obama apparently wanted to switch to an iPhone, for example, but he's currently on a specially modified Blackberry (though he was on a custom order thing at the beginning of his Presidency, which might be what they force him back to), and they won't let him switch. But DoD and the other security services have been laying the IT groundwork for a few months now to upgrade their networks and allow them to lock down apple and android devices in preparation for the transition. Security or not, Blackberry is going to die.


"Android" will never get DoD approval because there are too many different flavors of it and while Motorola or Samsung may spend the money to get a particular device certified that won't extend an umbrella over the OS and it certainly won't extend over any device that can be rooted.
 
2013-12-20 12:57:35 PM

legion_of_doo: i wish there were more qwerty phones.


you can get phone cases with bluetooth qwerty keyboards, slide or flip open style.
 
2013-12-20 12:58:19 PM
DRFA SLYT
 
2013-12-20 12:58:44 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Cell phone users 10 years from now: "What do cell phones have to do with fruit?"


Are you saying Apple will be out of business as well?
 
2013-12-20 12:58:57 PM
Meanwhile over at Crackberry http://forums.crackberry.com/armchair-ceo-f410/its-over-opinion-88572 1 / . They are pretty much giving up on the platform
 
2013-12-20 12:59:27 PM
Took a new job this year. New workplace has been all iPhone for a while. Old workplace was dumping Blackberry as I was leaving, and going to Android, using some kind of Cisco solution. Blackberry Messenger is available on Android, at least 18 months too late.
 
2013-12-20 01:00:44 PM

mainsail: Knell..Death Knell.

Death Nell is the lead singer of an all-women goth band.


My apologies, I knew better.   To make amends...a story about Death Nell....

The scene was in the jailhouse, and if curfew rang that night
Nell's dad in number 13 cell would go out like a light
She knew her dad was innocent, so plucky Little Nell
She tied her tender torso to the clapper of the bell

Hang on the bell, Nellie, hang on the bell
Your poor daddy's locked in a cold prison cell
As you swing to the left, Nellie swing to the right
Remember that curfew bell must never ring tonight

It all started when sweet Nellie said, "No! No!" to Handsome Jack
And struggled for her virtue there down by the railroad track
Nell's dad came to her rescue as the train roared down the line
Jack fell back across the track and paid the price of crime

Nell's dad he got arrested, and brought up before the Law
The Sheriff said, "Old Handsome Jack ain't handsome any more" 
Poor Nell she cried and pleaded, but the jury didn't care 
They didn't have a sofa, so they offered him the chair

They pulled upon the bell rope, but there was no ting-a-ling
They could not get their foul deed done, for curfew would not ring
To and fro aloft swung Nell, while below they pulled and heaved
When suddenly a voice cried "Stop! Your daddy's been reprieved!"

They cut her fair young body down, while she made protests weak
And as they laid her out upon the ground, she cried in girlish pique:
"Look I tried to save my daddy, which was true a noble thing
But still, while I was up there, man I learned it's fun to swing."

Hang on the bell, Nellie, hang on the bell 
So your poor daddy's sprung from his cold prison cell
As you swing to the left, Nellie swing to the right
No matter when that curfew rings, we're gonna swing tonight
 
2013-12-20 01:00:57 PM

legion_of_doo: i wish there were more qwerty phones.


Here ya go http://www.engadget.com/2013/12/06/typo-keyboard/
 
2013-12-20 01:05:00 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Cell phone users 10 years from now:  "What do cell phones have to do with fruit?"


The ICCT Potato is the hottest thing in the market today! -- Former Apple Users Magazine (2023)

You might say it is a Hot Potato! Nobody can keep their hands on one for more than few seconds before there's a model in a shinnier new box.-- Pernicious Paranomasia Daily.com

And so it goes, and so it goes.

Success is not the same thing as quality. McDonald's is a success. White truffles are quality but they are also going extinct because nobody knows how to make them grow, not even the pigs that sniff them out. My theory: since we killed off all the wild pigs, truffles only grow where domestic pigs sniff for truffles. (Don't tell the French and Italians or they'll get rich off of my idea.)

A good idea is a long long ways from a good product or service--you have to invest billions to turn a great idea into a great product, and even then it is a crap shoot.

What do you need for a great idea?

A functioning brain, luck.

What do you need for a great product?

Advertising
Marketing
Lobbying
Gimmees.
Spies.
Thieves.
Reverse-Engineers
Engineers
Some poor sap with a great idea
Accountants
Lawyers
PR flaks
R&D
A giant captive market (USA preferred, Europe and China are maybes)
Luck
More luck
A whole lot of good bureaucracy, management, hiring, people, etc.
Ruthlessness
Drive
Determination
Bloody-mindedness
Psychopathic upper management (i.e., the late Steve Jobs)
 
2013-12-20 01:16:37 PM

Mr. Eugenides: "Android" will never get DoD approval because there are too many different flavors of it and while Motorola or Samsung may spend the money to get a particular device certified that won't extend an umbrella over the OS and it certainly won't extend over any device that can be rooted.


And yet they're setting things up to do just that. They'll probably only issue certain devices, and will probably force everyone to install their own locked down flavor of the OS, but the wheels are already in motion on it. They simply don't have an alternative- given the number of people who work there that are going to want real productivity oriented devices with keyboards and multiple buttons, they're simply going to have to find a way.


Shadi: legion_of_doo: i wish there were more qwerty phones.

you can get phone cases with bluetooth qwerty keyboards, slide or flip open style.


And those are typically flimsy pieces of garbage.

The Droid 4 is still a good phone, if not top of the line anymore. I just moved to one a few weeks ago, and I'm happy with it so far. Free with contract renewal on Verizon right now. A release date for the Droid 5 slipped out a few days ago on one website, looks like January 31. There will always be a market for them because of folks like me that can't stand onscreen keyboards in any form, especially when you're trying to type something longer because you're doing real work (or posting on fark...) and the keyboard takes up 2/3 of the screen. A significant portion of the physical keyboard crowd was still with Blackberry. Now that Blackberry is going under, somebody's going to have to meet that market, and it ain't gonna be apple. So yeah, you'll probably see a few new qwerty phones as Blackberry dies.
 
2013-12-20 01:19:31 PM
I...I actually owned a BlackBerry some years ago, back when the phones made sense. Mine was the first one with the optical trackpad instead of a ball. I liked it--back then. Now? I'm an Android user and I shall never look back. BlackBerry's OS makes no goddamned sense. Swipe up to get out of an app? Fark you, I'd rather just hit a little button at the bottom of the screen.
 
2013-12-20 01:22:43 PM

brantgoose: What do you need for a great product?


What do you need for a popular product?

 - marketing
 
2013-12-20 01:33:23 PM
One of the things RIM never really counted on was what I call the "Boss Factor".  Say I'm the IT director for a small/ mid sized company and the owner/ CEO suddenly decides he wants an iPhone.  Well, he may get one for personal use, but I explain why I can't set it up for company business cause of security reasons.   This works at first, but then all the other CEO's start getting iPhones too, and the mid-level managers... and they all start biatching about having to use their old Blackberrys for work and wy can't they just get their email on their New Shiny...   eventually someone sees a market for greater security and either integrates that into the OS or finds a way to graft it on.  So now Blackberry has zero advantage in the corporate sector, cause if I have to manage one set of systems, I'm going to pick the one the management wants.

tl;dr - RIM didn't get shiny fast enough, and shiny got more secure.
 
2013-12-20 01:36:35 PM

cptjeff: The Droid 4 is still a good phone, if not top of the line anymore. I just moved to one a few weeks ago, and I'm happy with it so far. Free with contract renewal on Verizon right now. A release date for the Droid 5 slipped out a few days ago on one website, looks like January 31.


This makes me happy.   I loved the full size keyboard of the D4, but went with the MAXX for the battery and screen size.  If Moto addresses either one of those in the D5 and the keyboard still rocks, I'm IN.
Still in love with the BB keyboard from having them back in The Day, though...
 
2013-12-20 01:40:38 PM

DrunkWithImpotence: One of the things RIM never really counted on was what I call the "Boss Factor".  Say I'm the IT director for a small/ mid sized company and the owner/ CEO suddenly decides he wants an iPhone.  Well, he may get one for personal use, but I explain why I can't set it up for company business cause of security reasons.   This works at first, but then all the other CEO's start getting iPhones too, and the mid-level managers... and they all start biatching about having to use their old Blackberrys for work and wy can't they just get their email on their New Shiny...   eventually someone sees a market for greater security and either integrates that into the OS or finds a way to graft it on.  So now Blackberry has zero advantage in the corporate sector, cause if I have to manage one set of systems, I'm going to pick the one the management wants.

tl;dr - RIM didn't get shiny fast enough, and shiny got more secure.


But is shiny secure enough? Or was RIM really not secure? This is what is interesting to me about the shift from RIM to competitors.
 
2013-12-20 01:45:12 PM
Did I read that right?  They lost $4.4 billion on sales of $1.2 billion?  Holy crap.
 
2013-12-20 01:51:51 PM

Geotpf: Did I read that right?  They lost $4.4 billion on sales of $1.2 billion?  Holy crap.


Eeyup.
 
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