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(Herald News)   Man comes home to find a burglar ransacking the place and, well, the burglar's mugshot speaks for itself. Tag is for the homeowner   (heraldnews.com) divider line 121
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2013-12-20 10:07:03 AM
he looks too good...
 
2013-12-20 10:08:39 AM

Enlightened Liberal: I do not understand the need to take the law into your own hands unless it is an absolute life or death situation. Homeowner should have locked himself in a room or fled and called the police. Let the professionals handle criminals.


Poe x 3?
 
2013-12-20 10:12:06 AM
While the homeowner should not have had carte blanche to administer punishment, he had every right to use whatever means necessary to safeguard himself from any possible risk and secure his property.  Unless the burglar was across his property and running away, the use of force to neutralize an unknown in this situation is 100% kosher.  Had he ventilated the guy (at least in Texas), there would not be any charges.
 
2013-12-20 10:12:27 AM

Enlightened Liberal: I do not understand the need to take the law into your own hands unless it is an absolute life or death situation. Homeowner should have locked himself in a room or fled and called the police. Let the professionals handle criminals.


8/10
Was waiting for this.
 
2013-12-20 10:12:39 AM
Someone call the amber lamps!!!
 
2013-12-20 10:14:18 AM
Awesome.
 
2013-12-20 10:18:26 AM
www.vallentyne.com
 
2013-12-20 10:18:47 AM
Odd, I would have expected a horizontal pose, along with a toe-tag...
 
2013-12-20 10:19:09 AM

MycroftHolmes: While the homeowner should not have had carte blanche to administer punishment, he had every right to use whatever means necessary to safeguard himself from any possible risk and secure his property.  Unless the burglar was across his property and running away, the use of force to neutralize an unknown in this situation is 100% kosher.  Had he ventilated the guy (at least in Texas), there would not be any charges.


If someone is in your house uninvited you can assume that they mean to do you harm and you should do whatever it takes to defend yourself.  If it were me, I'd prefer to bludgeon them with fists or blunt objects as this guy did but I can totally understand any weapon being used.  Someone just tried to break into my brother's house again while they were out and cracked his door while trying to pry it open with a crowbar.  Apparently the triple K9 alarm system did its job though.  F*ck that shiat.
 
2013-12-20 10:20:29 AM

thurstonxhowell: It's "heroic" to defend your own stuff now?


No, but beating the tar out of scumbags from Fall River is always heroic.

/Fall River. The armpit of Cape Cod.
 
2013-12-20 10:23:21 AM
Homeowner was lucky. Burglar was a skinny unarmed kid. I'd personally not take any chances, stay outside and call the cops. Self defense is 99.99% making intelligent decisions.
 
2013-12-20 10:27:12 AM

Enlightened Liberal: I do not understand the need to take the law into your own hands unless it is an absolute life or death situation. Homeowner should have locked himself in a room or fled and called the police. Let the professionals handle criminals.


Looks to me like that criminal GOT professionally handled.
 
2013-12-20 10:28:51 AM
The FOP will probably concoct some manner of revenge having lost the flashlight justice opportunity.

\don't steal mah thundaz
 
2013-12-20 10:32:21 AM
The burglar lunged at him. "He's coming right for us!"
 
2013-12-20 10:36:08 AM

MycroftHolmes: While the homeowner should not have had carte blanche to administer punishment


Honestly I think they should and the reason is not punishment but preventative.  Obviously we both agree whatever force is necessary to subdue the guy is okay.  But after I subdue him then what?  He might regain control, he might make a move, he might have a weapon in his sock or back pocket or something.  I have no idea and I'm an enormous weenie with a spectacular imagination.

If right now a homeowner has control of the situation, say a gun pointed at the robber, I would never fault them for shooting the robber out of fear they might at some point lose control of the situation.
 
2013-12-20 10:37:26 AM

MycroftHolmes: The homeowner should be charged with assault.  His life was not in danger.  No property is worth physical harm or endangering someones life.  He should have backed off to a safe distance and called the police.  He had no right to take the law into his own hand


a perfect example of trolling.
 
2013-12-20 10:43:15 AM

lennavan: MycroftHolmes: While the homeowner should not have had carte blanche to administer punishment

Honestly I think they should and the reason is not punishment but preventative.  Obviously we both agree whatever force is necessary to subdue the guy is okay.  But after I subdue him then what?  He might regain control, he might make a move, he might have a weapon in his sock or back pocket or something.  I have no idea and I'm an enormous weenie with a spectacular imagination.

If right now a homeowner has control of the situation, say a gun pointed at the robber, I would never fault them for shooting the robber out of fear they might at some point lose control of the situation.


Note, I said specifically that he has every right to use whatever means necesary to remove the threat.  If the burglar is facing you and is within 20 feet, I would consider him a threat.  This is not use of force as punishment.  If he is laying on the ground with his hands behind his head, and you shoot him in the knee....yeah, I don't think that is in bounds.  But if he makes any sort of aggressive or ambiguous move at all, I would not question the use of force.

The moral is, if you don't want to get shot, don't steal peoples stuff
 
2013-12-20 10:46:20 AM

Mr. Shabooboo: , he was rifling the house for phat loots.


Looks like the rogue was trying to solo the encounter and discovered he can't tank.
 
2013-12-20 10:50:43 AM
Well I had no problem view the initial link.
 
Ant
2013-12-20 10:54:06 AM

focusthis: Is it "stand your ground", castle law, etc if the suspect is trying to flee your property?


I think it's more of a "Oops. The guy tripped and hit his face on a door knob several times while trying to escape" law.
 
2013-12-20 10:58:45 AM

dwrash: I keep a few hand made baseball bats around the house in strategic areas for just such an occasion... i'll go for the knees though...


I keep a miniature giant hamster.

Go for the eyes, Boo!
 
2013-12-20 11:08:13 AM

Fano: dwrash: I keep a few hand made baseball bats around the house in strategic areas for just such an occasion... i'll go for the knees though...

I keep a miniature giant hamster.

Go for the eyes, Boo!


And you don't EVEN want to know where the Gerbil is headed!
 
2013-12-20 11:08:31 AM

Fano: dwrash: I keep a few hand made baseball bats around the house in strategic areas for just such an occasion... i'll go for the knees though...

I keep a miniature giant hamster.

Go for the eyes, Boo!


Butt-kicking for Goodness!
 
2013-12-20 11:09:03 AM

Enlightened Liberal: I do not understand the need to take the law into your own hands unless it is an absolute life or death situation. Homeowner should have locked himself in a room or fled and called the police. Let the professionals handle criminals.



FTFA:  "The suspect lunged at the homeowner," said Jones. "The homeowner was able to subdue him."

The homeowner can use reasonable force to prevent the invader from escaping after a crime (breaking and entering).  He can also use reasonable force to defend himself or others (in other jurisdictions like Texas, this extends to property as well).

Break into my house, we've got issues.  Break into my house and then lunge at me?  You are gonna' have issues.
 
2013-12-20 11:09:18 AM
when someone breaks into your house, they take your peace of mind
this is a great way to get it back
 
2013-12-20 11:10:37 AM
Was he eating the homeowner's Oreos.  Because he looks like he had a mouth full of Oreos.
 
Ant
2013-12-20 11:19:21 AM
I'm a pretty liberal guy, but if you break into somebody's house, you're asking for whatever you get. I have no sympathy for you. Don't wanna get beat up or shot? That's easy. Don't break into peoples' houses!
 
2013-12-20 11:21:24 AM

yukichigai: Mr. Fuzzypaws: What mugshot?

I tried temporarily unblocking no less than seven different domains in NoScript and still have yet to see a mugshot.


I unblocked one.  Then clicked on the first link in the article.  It led to a story with a pic.

I never unblock more than two, at that point the website is being too intrusive.
 
2013-12-20 11:30:32 AM

MycroftHolmes: The homeowner should be charged with assault.  His life was not in danger.  No property is worth physical harm or endangering someones life.  He should have backed off to a safe distance and called the police.  He had no right to take the law into his own hand


According to the article, the burglar lunged at the home-owner. At that point, the home-owner was defending himself, and legally allowed to subdue the attacking burglar. Which apparently he did, rather thoroughly, with some amount of zeal, in fact. Beat that numbskull but good, you might say.

By the letter of the law, it was also perfectly legal.
 
2013-12-20 11:31:36 AM

lennavan: FLMountainMan: No, news is turning to shiat because nobody wants to pay for it anymore.

Right because now there are jackasses like Opposing Views who steal it from actual news organizations and offer it for free with no/negligible advertisements.Sure, whatever, as long as it's all conservatives' fault.


FTFY
 
2013-12-20 11:35:03 AM

MycroftHolmes: If the burglar is facing you and is within 20 feet, I would consider him a threat.


This is a big deal that many anti-gun / anti-self defense people either aren't aware of or conveniently ignore. An adult can dash that distance and be on you in less than two seconds. It's something to keep in mind the next time it looks like someone shot too soon in self defense, especially if they aren't a trained professional and are in fear for their life.
 
2013-12-20 11:37:43 AM
I believe it happened exactly like the homeowner says it did.

He didn't grab the kid as he tried to run, throw him down and beat the holy tar out of him until he got tired.

Nope.  That 21-year old tried to lunge at me,officer, so I defended myself.   Repeatedly.
 
2013-12-20 11:41:55 AM

dmegin: The real story http://www.heraldnews.com/newsnow/x140442098/Cops-Tiverton-homeowner- s ubdued-burglar


Thank you dmegin.
 
2013-12-20 11:41:56 AM

focusthis: Is it "stand your ground", castle law, etc if the suspect is trying to flee your property?


Don't know, but considering that he "lunged" (according to the article) at the homeowner, I think that self defense would apply more than any other statute in this situation.

/IANAL
 
2013-12-20 11:48:11 AM

FLMountainMan: lennavan: FLMountainMan: No, news is turning to shiat because nobody wants to pay for it anymore.

Right because now there are jackasses like Opposing Views who steal it from actual news organizations and offer it for free with no/negligible advertisements.Sure, whatever, as long as it's all conservatives' fault.

FTFY


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2013-12-20 11:50:20 AM

studebaker hoch: I believe it happened exactly like the homeowner says it did.

He didn't grab the kid as he tried to run, throw him down and beat the holy tar out of him until he got tired.

Nope.  That 21-year old tried to lunge at me,officer, so I defended myself.   Repeatedly.


Your adrenaline kicks in in those situations.  It's really a flight or fight situation, all your fancy beliefs don't even enter your head.  All of human evolution and survival instincts kick in and you either find yourself cowering in a corner screaming don't hurt me, or pummeling a sudden intruder.  You won't know which until it happens to you.

You might believe you'd stay calm, you might believe you'd pummel the intruder in a manly way, you might believe you'd run away screaming... and you might be wrong, and behave differently than you expected.
 
2013-12-20 11:59:15 AM
I would just shoot him.  If he's in your house, it's a freebie.

/fighting is too much like work.
 
2013-12-20 11:59:38 AM

studebaker hoch: I believe it happened exactly like the homeowner says it did.

He didn't grab the kid as he tried to run, throw him down and beat the holy tar out of him until he got tired.

Nope.  That 21-year old tried to lunge at me,officer, so I defended myself.   Repeatedly.


Presumption goes to the guy who is no committing a felony.
 
2013-12-20 12:00:32 PM

meathome: focusthis: Is it "stand your ground", castle law, etc if the suspect is trying to flee your property?

Don't know, but considering that he "lunged" (according to the article) at the homeowner, I think that self defense would apply more than any other statute in this situation.

/IANAL


A determination of whether the arrested individual was attempting to attack the home occupant, or even whether he was attempting to engage in any criminal behaviour, is supposed to be made by a jury of his peers, not by a vigilante homeowner inflicting physical harm. The beating given to the arrested individual clearly violated his right of due process, with the homeowner acting as judge and jury, and also enforcing a non-judicial sentence.
 
2013-12-20 12:07:31 PM

Dimensio: meathome: focusthis: Is it "stand your ground", castle law, etc if the suspect is trying to flee your property?

Don't know, but considering that he "lunged" (according to the article) at the homeowner, I think that self defense would apply more than any other statute in this situation.

/IANAL

A determination of whether the arrested individual was attempting to attack the home occupant, or even whether he was attempting to engage in any criminal behaviour, is supposed to be made by a jury of his peers, not by a vigilante homeowner inflicting physical harm. The beating given to the arrested individual clearly violated his right of due process, with the homeowner acting as judge and jury, and also enforcing a non-judicial sentence.


The presence of the individual in the home is criminal behavior.  I realize that in England, the homeowner is obliged to help the home invader load the van with the homeowner's belongings and is responsible for any back injuries sustained by the home invader during the loading process.  However, this incident occurred in the United States.
 
2013-12-20 12:07:31 PM
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2013-12-20 12:10:36 PM
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What, me worry?
 
2013-12-20 12:13:31 PM
I'll bet that burglar's picture made his momma cry.
 
2013-12-20 12:15:15 PM

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Not visible: crushed testicles, thanks of a grateful species.
 
2013-12-20 12:16:39 PM

MycroftHolmes: Had he ventilated the guy (at least in Texas), there would not be any charges.


Probably some kind of sharp shooting medal for managing to nail him all the way down in Texas from his home in Rhode Island, though.
 
2013-12-20 12:17:32 PM
mattharvest:

The burglar is fortunate that the homeowner didn't kill him.  Literally.  Many jurisdictions recognize that the right to protect your home is so special and sacrosanct that killing the invader is justified so long as there's no evidence that the invader was actively trying to leave the home when the homeowner captured him.

This. Punk rushes me, punk deals with the consequences of his actions.
 
2013-12-20 12:18:12 PM

Enlightened Liberal: I do not understand the need to take the law into your own hands unless it is an absolute life or death situation. Homeowner should have locked himself in a room or fled and called the police. Let the professionals handle criminals.


Please post your address, Mr. Troll. I gotta special delivery.
 
2013-12-20 12:19:25 PM

lennavan: Mr. Fuzzypaws: What mugshot?

The mugshot is in The Herald News,[...]

News is turning to shiat, Opposing Views a poster child for why.  Getting this story took effort.  Stealing it took probably 10 seconds.  That's what's going to run actual news out of business.


And I get two bloody pop-ups each time I go to their stupid site.  One for "like us!" - no, I don't like you - and another with more click-bait links.
 
2013-12-20 12:19:29 PM

EngineerBob: Fano: dwrash: I keep a few hand made baseball bats around the house in strategic areas for just such an occasion... i'll go for the knees though...

I keep a miniature giant hamster.

Go for the eyes, Boo!

And you don't EVEN want to know where the Gerbil is headed!


Don't you mean Gerebil?
 
2013-12-20 12:19:42 PM

Fano: dwrash: I keep a few hand made baseball bats around the house in strategic areas for just such an occasion... i'll go for the knees though...

I keep a miniature giant hamster.

Go for the eyes, Boo!


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