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(Talking Points Memo)   "Why Christie's friends may have wanted to take revenge on a NJ mayor." Because they're a bunch of Italian-Americans livin' in Jersey who all work in the sanitation industry?   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 38
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2013-12-20 09:55:29 AM  
Anything to distract the public from the Democrats inaction on property taxes in NJ, right Loretta?
 
2013-12-20 09:55:51 AM  
Jersey Fats can't run away from this, because he's fat.

BTW, what happened to his stomach stapling? Ate through that already?
 
2013-12-20 09:56:44 AM  

Giltric: Anything to distract the public from the Democrats inaction on property taxes in NJ, right Loretta?


Hahahahaha, yeah man, she engineered the entire thing.
 
2013-12-20 10:04:45 AM  

Giltric: Anything to distract the public from the Democrats inaction on property taxes in NJ, right Loretta?



Although a governor is not directly responsible for increasing a community's property taxes, what he does to a state budget can impact what property owners pay.

In Christie's case, he has cut aid in numerous areas to help balance the state budget. As the governor has noted on numerous occasions, he came into office in 2010 and had to deal quickly with a multibillion-dollar deficit. The gap was the result of factors from steep drops in state revenue during the recession (December 2007 to June 2009) to spending by previous administrations, experts have told PolitiFact New Jersey.

To deal with the deficit, Christie cut education funding and numerous other line items in the budget, skipped a pension contribution and overhauled tax relief programs -- such as the Earned Income Tax Credit. Some New Jersey lawmakers -- including Assemblyman John McKeon, an Essex County Democrat -- have said the reduction in rebates led to a 20 percent increase in property taxes.

http://www.politifact.com/new-jersey/statements/2013/oct/20/milly-si lv a/milly-silva-claims-property-taxes-have-climbed-20-/
 
2013-12-20 10:12:32 AM  
That's a nice commuter route you've got there.
Be a shame if anything happened to it.
 
2013-12-20 10:13:14 AM  
Christie really scares Democrats...they are working hard to find something they can use against him in National elections.....
 
2013-12-20 10:15:03 AM  

RexTalionis: Giltric: Anything to distract the public from the Democrats inaction on property taxes in NJ, right Loretta?


Although a governor is not directly responsible for increasing a community's property taxes, what he does to a state budget can impact what property owners pay.

In Christie's case, he has cut aid in numerous areas to help balance the state budget. As the governor has noted on numerous occasions, he came into office in 2010 and had to deal quickly with a multibillion-dollar deficit. The gap was the result of factors from steep drops in state revenue during the recession (December 2007 to June 2009) to spending by previous administrations, experts have told PolitiFact New Jersey.

To deal with the deficit, Christie cut education funding and numerous other line items in the budget, skipped a pension contribution and overhauled tax relief programs -- such as the Earned Income Tax Credit. Some New Jersey lawmakers -- including Assemblyman John McKeon, an Essex County Democrat -- have said the reduction in rebates led to a 20 percent increase in property taxes.

http://www.politifact.com/new-jersey/statements/2013/oct/20/milly-si lv a/milly-silva-claims-property-taxes-have-climbed-20-/


The rebate was built into the property taxes.

Bob Ingle has a good piece about it in one of his books.
Corzine and NJ Dems wanted to give people a $1k  or so property tax rebate....so they raised property taxes by 1200 to pay for the rebate and the administrative costs of the rebate.

Christie is also facing democrat obstructionism in the state house since NJ democrats block everything he tries to do. But it doesn;t get as much media attention because Christie is not black nor named Barack.
 
2013-12-20 10:16:08 AM  

ferretman: Christie really scares Democrats...they are working hard to find something they can use against him in National elections.....


Working hard? Christie's high school buddy handed this to them on a platter.
 
2013-12-20 10:17:19 AM  

Giltric: Christie is also facing democrat obstructionism in the state house since NJ democrats block everything he tries to do. But it doesn;t get as much media attention because Christie is not black nor named Barack. most of the nation doesn't give a shiat about internal New Jersey politics.


Not everything is a grand leftist conspiracy.
 
2013-12-20 10:17:45 AM  

ferretman: Christie really scares Democrats...they are working hard to find something they can use against him in National elections.....


The only solace the Democrats can probably take on this is that his fellow Republicans will label him RINO and pillory him for the 2012 election...  I doubt he'll get the Republican nod.
 
2013-12-20 10:18:02 AM  

ferretman: Christie really scares Democrats...they are working hard to find something they can use against him in National elections.....


Oh yeah, just like they were afraid of John McCain's record in the Senate, and Sarah Palin's appeal to the folksy masses, and Rick Perry's uncanny ability to energize the conservative Christian base, and Mitt Romney's track record of successfully being rich, and Paul Ryan's felicity with numbers.

Just absolutely terrified of a governor from New Jersey who wasn't an ass during a storm and sometimes yells at mean liberal teachers on TV.
 
2013-12-20 10:31:42 AM  

ferretman: Christie really scares Democrats...they are working hard to find something they can use against him in National elections.....


Christie is too "New Jersey" for about 80% of the country.

All the Democrats need to do is to run ads featuring a loop of this picture and Republicans will stay home in droves rather than vote for the guy who had the audacity to hug a black president.

i236.photobucket.com
 
2013-12-20 10:40:47 AM  

Giltric: But it doesn;t get as much media attention because Christie is not black nor named Barack.


Christie is President of a country? Yes, it's because he is white that the NATIONAL media doesn't cover state level issues.

Did you get up on that cross all by yourself?
 
2013-12-20 10:41:43 AM  

Giltric: so they raised property taxes by 1200 to pay for the rebate and the administrative costs of the rebate.


I like how you claim that Christie and the Democrats in the NJ Legislature raised property taxes by 1200 to pay for the rebate.

Never mind the fact that property taxes are levied by the local governments and not by the state.

What the governor and legislature do, however CAN affect property taxes. For instance, if Chris Christie's budget slashes state payments to municipal governments for, say, education. The municipal governments are going to raise local property taxes to make up for the shortfall.
 
2013-12-20 10:42:35 AM  

RexTalionis: Giltric: so they raised property taxes by 1200 to pay for the rebate and the administrative costs of the rebate.

I like how you claim that Christie Corzine and the Democrats in the NJ Legislature raised property taxes by 1200 to pay for the rebate.

Never mind the fact that property taxes are levied by the local governments and not by the state.

What the governor and legislature do, however CAN affect property taxes. For instance, if Chris Christie's budget slashes state payments to municipal governments for, say, education. The municipal governments are going to raise local property taxes to make up for the shortfall.


FTFM
 
2013-12-20 11:04:57 AM  
Not sure this manufactured "controversy" is going to get much traction. As a warm-up to his actually running for president it will suffice, however.
 
2013-12-20 11:18:48 AM  

Cletus C.: Not sure this manufactured "controversy" is going to get much traction.


His appointees manufactured it, and it's already close enough to him that he's taken to bullying tactics to try to get the press to stop asking him about it.
 
2013-12-20 11:26:33 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Cletus C.: Not sure this manufactured "controversy" is going to get much traction.

His appointees manufactured it, and it's already close enough to him that he's taken to bullying tactics to try to get the press to stop asking him about it.


Meh. Pretty weak sauce here.

... one prominent Democrat with intimate knowledge of the investigation is convinced political forces were behind Bridge-gate.
 
2013-12-20 11:39:27 AM  
FTFA

Though Christie had a double-digit lead in polls leading up to Election Day last month, Weinberg said Christie still had ample motivation to aggressively seek endorsements from local New Jersey Democrats because wanted his victory over state Sen. Barbara Buono to be a "complete wipeout."

Watergate happened for the same reason...
 
2013-12-20 11:46:26 AM  

Cletus C.: HotWingConspiracy: Cletus C.: Not sure this manufactured "controversy" is going to get much traction.

His appointees manufactured it, and it's already close enough to him that he's taken to bullying tactics to try to get the press to stop asking him about it.

Meh. Pretty weak sauce here.

... one prominent Democrat with intimate knowledge of the investigation is convinced political forces were behind Bridge-gate.


Well their stated reason for closing the lanes turned out to be a lie, so...
 
2013-12-20 11:51:15 AM  
I much prefer to make fun of Christie's weight as opposed to implying he's some sort of mafioso
 
2013-12-20 11:53:19 AM  
This thread is so racist.
 
2013-12-20 12:07:54 PM  

Cletus C.: Not sure this manufactured "controversy" is going to get much traction. As a warm-up to his actually running for president it will suffice, however.


If there's a convincing alternate explanation for the bridge closure, I'd love to hear it.
 
2013-12-20 12:10:22 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Cletus C.: HotWingConspiracy: Cletus C.: Not sure this manufactured "controversy" is going to get much traction.

His appointees manufactured it, and it's already close enough to him that he's taken to bullying tactics to try to get the press to stop asking him about it.

Meh. Pretty weak sauce here.

... one prominent Democrat with intimate knowledge of the investigation is convinced political forces were behind Bridge-gate.

Well their stated reason for closing the lanes turned out to be a lie, so...


Some Democrats are questioning the stated reason. It hasn't yet been proven to be a lie yet, though. But keep peddling that bike.
 
2013-12-20 12:28:36 PM  

threedingers: Cletus C.: Not sure this manufactured "controversy" is going to get much traction. As a warm-up to his actually running for president it will suffice, however.

If there's a convincing alternate explanation for the bridge closure, I'd love to hear it.


Two people already resigned. Govt employees don't leave their jobs for manufactured controversies (they hardly leave office even when caught red-handed) there will be more to this story.
 
2013-12-20 12:30:43 PM  

Cletus C.: Some Democrats are questioning the stated reason. It hasn't yet been proven to be a lie yet, though. But keep peddling that bike.


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2013-12-20 12:32:56 PM  

monoski: threedingers: Cletus C.: Not sure this manufactured "controversy" is going to get much traction. As a warm-up to his actually running for president it will suffice, however.

If there's a convincing alternate explanation for the bridge closure, I'd love to hear it.

Two people already resigned. Govt employees don't leave their jobs for manufactured controversies (they hardly leave office even when caught red-handed) there will be more to this story.


Government appointees, but whatever. I shall wait with baited breath for this scandal to play out.
 
2013-12-20 12:35:21 PM  

Cletus C.: HotWingConspiracy: Cletus C.: HotWingConspiracy: Cletus C.: Not sure this manufactured "controversy" is going to get much traction.

His appointees manufactured it, and it's already close enough to him that he's taken to bullying tactics to try to get the press to stop asking him about it.

Meh. Pretty weak sauce here.

... one prominent Democrat with intimate knowledge of the investigation is convinced political forces were behind Bridge-gate.

Well their stated reason for closing the lanes turned out to be a lie, so...

Some Democrats are questioning the stated reason. It hasn't yet been proven to be a lie yet, though. But keep peddling that bike.


You mean the "traffic study" that nobody new about and that wasn't documented beforehand and that didn't produce any data, results or report? Yeah, why would anybody question that?
 
2013-12-20 12:37:01 PM  

Giltric: Christie is also facing democrat obstructionism in the state house since NJ democrats block everything he tries to do. But it doesn;t get as much media attention because Christie is not black nor named Barack.


My roommate and I negotiated a deal banning the production of nuclear weapons in our apartment, but it doesn't get as much attention as the deal with Iran that the US negotiated. It's probably because we're not black. Blacks get all the breaks.

That's it! I'm going to change my name to Barack! Then the media will have no logical reason to cover me less than the President!
 
2013-12-20 12:59:21 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: ferretman: Christie really scares Democrats...they are working hard to find something they can use against him in National elections.....

Christie is too "New Jersey" for about 80% of the country.

All the Democrats need to do is to run ads featuring a loop of this picture and Republicans will stay home in droves rather than vote for the guy who had the audacity to hug a black president.

[i236.photobucket.com image 600x426]


As a New Jersey voter that's funny.  Because pictures like this are the reason he got reelected.  I know many people who usually lean democrat who voted for him.  Mostly because when the sh*t hit the fan he did what had to be done to help us.  Which fundamentally is what you want in a leader.

Now I didn't vote for him because I don't care for his policies on education.  But there is no denying that he did right for those of us in Sandyland.  And he did it without being a partisan ass.  And I wish more politicians would follow his example in that.
 
2013-12-20 01:33:59 PM  

Cletus C.: HotWingConspiracy: Cletus C.: HotWingConspiracy: Cletus C.: Not sure this manufactured "controversy" is going to get much traction.

His appointees manufactured it, and it's already close enough to him that he's taken to bullying tactics to try to get the press to stop asking him about it.

Meh. Pretty weak sauce here.

... one prominent Democrat with intimate knowledge of the investigation is convinced political forces were behind Bridge-gate.

Well their stated reason for closing the lanes turned out to be a lie, so...

Some Democrats are questioning the stated reason. It hasn't yet been proven to be a lie yet, though. But keep peddling that bike.


No, it is an established lie. There was no traffic study, even the Port Authority says so.
 
2013-12-20 04:33:38 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Cletus C.: HotWingConspiracy: Cletus C.: HotWingConspiracy: Cletus C.: Not sure this manufactured "controversy" is going to get much traction.

His appointees manufactured it, and it's already close enough to him that he's taken to bullying tactics to try to get the press to stop asking him about it.

Meh. Pretty weak sauce here.

... one prominent Democrat with intimate knowledge of the investigation is convinced political forces were behind Bridge-gate.

Well their stated reason for closing the lanes turned out to be a lie, so...

Some Democrats are questioning the stated reason. It hasn't yet been proven to be a lie yet, though. But keep peddling that bike.

No, it is an established lie. There was no traffic study, even the Port Authority says so.


Citation?
 
2013-12-20 05:12:44 PM  

Cletus C.: HotWingConspiracy: Cletus C.: HotWingConspiracy: Cletus C.: HotWingConspiracy: Cletus C.: Not sure this manufactured "controversy" is going to get much traction.

His appointees manufactured it, and it's already close enough to him that he's taken to bullying tactics to try to get the press to stop asking him about it.

Meh. Pretty weak sauce here.

... one prominent Democrat with intimate knowledge of the investigation is convinced political forces were behind Bridge-gate.

Well their stated reason for closing the lanes turned out to be a lie, so...

Some Democrats are questioning the stated reason. It hasn't yet been proven to be a lie yet, though. But keep peddling that bike.

No, it is an established lie. There was no traffic study, even the Port Authority says so.

Citation?


Google it, you people are so workshy. There was no traffic study.
 
2013-12-20 05:19:07 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Cletus C.: HotWingConspiracy: Cletus C.: HotWingConspiracy: Cletus C.: HotWingConspiracy: Cletus C.: Not sure this manufactured "controversy" is going to get much traction.

His appointees manufactured it, and it's already close enough to him that he's taken to bullying tactics to try to get the press to stop asking him about it.

Meh. Pretty weak sauce here.

... one prominent Democrat with intimate knowledge of the investigation is convinced political forces were behind Bridge-gate.

Well their stated reason for closing the lanes turned out to be a lie, so...

Some Democrats are questioning the stated reason. It hasn't yet been proven to be a lie yet, though. But keep peddling that bike.

No, it is an established lie. There was no traffic study, even the Port Authority says so.

Citation?

Google it, you people are so workshy. There was no traffic study.


Oh geeze. I did google it and couldn't find anything that said the Port Authority admitted there was no traffic study. That may very well be true but it would be nice to see some proof of your flat declarative statement, if you have it. You seem so certain.
 
2013-12-20 06:12:15 PM  
Three Port Authoritiy officials testified Monday that there was no traffic study being conducted while access lanes from Fort Lee on the George Washington Bridge were closed in September, as was originally claimed.

CBS News

Anything else?
 
2013-12-20 06:49:26 PM  

NYCNative: Three Port Authoritiy officials testified Monday that there was no traffic study being conducted while access lanes from Fort Lee on the George Washington Bridge were closed in September, as was originally claimed.

CBS News

Anything else?


No, I'm goo

NYCNative: Three Port Authoritiy officials testified Monday that there was no traffic study being conducted while access lanes from Fort Lee on the George Washington Bridge were closed in September, as was originally claimed.

CBS News

Anything else?


No, thanks for the link. I didn't find it on my searches. A story just this week on Huff-Po still had officials claiming there was a traffic study.
 
2013-12-20 06:54:51 PM  
I found it in ten seconds.  It was the second link with my search ('port authority traffic study george washington bridge') but I agree that you shouldn't have to research someone else's claim.  The burden of proof is not on you.

But meanwhile, back at the point:  Yeah, that story is toast all the way around.  So what is left?
 
2013-12-21 11:41:06 AM  

RexTalionis: RexTalionis: Giltric: so they raised property taxes by 1200 to pay for the rebate and the administrative costs of the rebate.

I like how you claim that Christie Corzine and the Democrats in the NJ Legislature raised property taxes by 1200 to pay for the rebate.

Never mind the fact that property taxes are levied by the local governments and not by the state.

What the governor and legislature do, however CAN affect property taxes. For instance, if Chris Christie's budget slashes state payments to municipal governments for, say, education. The municipal governments are going to raise local property taxes to make up for the shortfall.

FTFM


Regardless.


A tax cut or rebate expiring is not a tax increase.
It wasn't counted as such under Blackrock Zerobummer and it shouldn't be counted as such under Christie.
 
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