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2013-12-20 03:43:05 AM
"Any reference to what the song was about, the birth of Christ,'round young virgin mother and child,' all of those things were omitted from the version that the children sang beautifully," mom Jackie McDonald told CBS New York

Do we credit this one to the author, or does the mother really believe those are the lyrics?
 
2013-12-20 04:12:13 AM
Why are non-Christians offended by Christmas? Or why do some overly-sensitive types think they would be?
 
2013-12-20 04:38:29 AM
OK - Cthulhu knows I'm no friend of the god-botherers.  But come on - it's a song.  A pretty one.  I don't have to believe it to sing it, any more than I have to be in love with Radames to sing "Ritorna Vincitor" or believe that I'm standing in Paris looking at the Seine when I sing Fauré's art songs on the view from his window.  Christmas, for the last 1500 years or so, has been celebrated as a religious holiday.*  The songs reflect that, and there's nothing wrong with singing them even if you're not a Christian.

Get a grip, people.

*Before that, it was a solstice festival.  For most people these days, its a winter festival of pretty decorations, pretty songs, eating until your explode, and showing kindness.  For kids, it's about racking up loot.
 
2013-12-20 05:22:53 AM
You can't please all of the people all of the time.

Not Christian, love certain carols, anyone who's offended by silent night should be frog marched into the sea and asked to swim somewhere better. It's a wonderful story and was written by a school teacher in Germany. You can make it totally secular despite the religious lyrics simply by framing it historically and using the original German.
 
2013-12-20 06:28:44 AM
Why not sing something else?
This falls into the category of defacing original art and it is wrong.
 
2013-12-20 06:30:53 AM
Maybe they should wait until they actually get a complaint about the song being offensive before presuming there is offense where none probably exists and causing more offense in the process.
 
2013-12-20 06:33:00 AM

Slaxl: Why are non-Christians offended by Christmas? Or why do some overly-sensitive types think they would be?


Because they are dragged off the streets and forced to participate by Christian press gangs.   literally Christian goon squads hold guns to their heads and force then to sing Christmas songs with a religious bent They have even banned the use of the term Happy Holidays.

Remember freedom of expression does not include religion as far as Fark progressives are concerned and you will not find it mentioned in their version of the First amendment
 
2013-12-20 06:39:25 AM
You don't need to single old standards like Silent Night if you want to celebrate the holidays.

Case in point:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSx5_0Lz5Zc

You can't tell me that doesn't get you in the Christmas spirit.
 
2013-12-20 06:40:18 AM

hasty ambush: Slaxl: Why are non-Christians offended by Christmas? Or why do some overly-sensitive types think they would be?

Because they are dragged off the streets and forced to participate by Christian press gangs.   literally Christian goon squads hold guns to their heads and force then to sing Christmas songs with a religious bent They have even banned the use of the term Happy Holidays.

Remember freedom of expression does not include religion as far as Fark progressives are concerned and you will not find it mentioned in their version of the First amendment


I don't know where the hell you are going to find anybody to defend this.
I'm a second generation born/raised atheist, and you would call me a "Fark progressive" - and I think this is idiotic.
It's a Christian song.
It has lyrics about Jesus in it.
Get over it, morans.
I like Lou Reed's "Heroin", too. Doesn't make me a junkie.
But anyway, it looks like they are backing off of it, so there's that at least.
 
2013-12-20 06:43:30 AM

Slaxl: Why are non-Christians offended by Christmas? Or why do some overly-sensitive types think they would be?


I think it's more of the ladder. While sleuthing around for anecdotal evidence, I determined that most non-religious types still celebrate and actively acknowledge Christmas. It's more of a capitalism thing at this point in history, if you ask me.

As for the song, I don't see why you wouldn't keep the lyrics in the first place. It's a good song, fitting for the Christmas season. Anybody who's offended by these Christian themes might as well lock themselves in a room for the last 2 months of every year.

At least Norman Greenbaum had a sense of humor when he wrote Spirit in the Sky.
 
2013-12-20 06:43:51 AM
I'll just leave this here

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2013-12-20 06:45:52 AM
Gosh, you know you can just hum or vocalise without words... Don't go changing the words.
 
2013-12-20 06:46:26 AM

Chaide: Slaxl: Why are non-Christians offended by Christmas? Or why do some overly-sensitive types think they would be?

I think it's more of the ladder latter.


FTFM
 
2013-12-20 06:47:40 AM

cyberspacedout: "Any reference to what the song was about, the birth of Christ,'round young virgin mother and child,' all of those things were omitted from the version that the children sang beautifully," mom Jackie McDonald told CBS New York

Do we credit this one to the author, or does the mother really believe those are the lyrics?


I love round young virgins
 
2013-12-20 06:53:52 AM

DubyaHater: cyberspacedout: "Any reference to what the song was about, the birth of Christ,'round young virgin mother and child,' all of those things were omitted from the version that the children sang beautifully," mom Jackie McDonald told CBS New York

Do we credit this one to the author, or does the mother really believe those are the lyrics?

I love round young virgins


It's Fark's primary audience.
 
2013-12-20 06:54:42 AM

DubyaHater: cyberspacedout: "Any reference to what the song was about, the birth of Christ,'round young virgin mother and child,' all of those things were omitted from the version that the children sang beautifully," mom Jackie McDonald told CBS New York

Do we credit this one to the author, or does the mother really believe those are the lyrics?

I love round young virgins


ha!!
 
2013-12-20 06:56:08 AM

Slaxl: Why are non-Christians offended by Christmas? Or why do some overly-sensitive types think they would be?


Maybe because humping the bible at school is against the law. Funny how farking jesus groupies always seem to forget that little fact.
 
2013-12-20 06:59:40 AM

ScaryBottles: Slaxl: Why are non-Christians offended by Christmas? Or why do some overly-sensitive types think they would be?

Maybe because humping the bible at school is against the law. Funny how farking jesus groupies always seem to forget that little fact.


You sound rational.
 
2013-12-20 07:04:31 AM

ScaryBottles: Slaxl: Why are non-Christians offended by Christmas? Or why do some overly-sensitive types think they would be?

Maybe because humping the bible at school is against the law. Funny how farking jesus groupies always seem to forget that little fact.


Oh come off it. Nobody at my elementary school got pissy about the Jewish songs/activities at Hanukkah. And I don't think a single Jew lived in the county. Either do the song right or don't do it at all. There are plenty of secular songs to choose from if your anus is that sensitive.
 
2013-12-20 07:05:45 AM

ScaryBottles: Slaxl: Why are non-Christians offended by Christmas? Or why do some overly-sensitive types think they would be?

Maybe because humping the bible at school is against the law. Funny how farking jesus groupies always seem to forget that little fact.


Singing a Christmas carol isn't humping the bible. That also doesn't tell me why you're getting offended by it. I'm an atheist so hardly a "jesus groupy"
 
2013-12-20 07:06:29 AM
I don't remember any religious words in "Grandma Got Run Over by a Reindeer".
 
2013-12-20 07:10:50 AM

cyberspacedout: "Any reference to what the song was about, the birth of Christ,'round young virgin mother and child,' all of those things were omitted from the version that the children sang beautifully," mom Jackie McDonald told CBS New York

Do we credit this one to the author, or does the mother really believe those are the lyrics?


God was a chubby chaser.
 
2013-12-20 07:11:59 AM

Slaxl: ScaryBottles: Slaxl: Why are non-Christians offended by Christmas? Or why do some overly-sensitive types think they would be?

Maybe because humping the bible at school is against the law. Funny how farking jesus groupies always seem to forget that little fact.

Singing a Christmas carol isn't humping the bible. That also doesn't tell me why you're getting offended by it. I'm an atheist so hardly a "jesus groupy"


Then stop acting like it.
 
2013-12-20 07:18:21 AM
If you must sing Christmas songs, why the hell choose the most religious one???

My niece had her winter concert this week, and they did a whole medley of songs about Christmas, winter, Holidays etc, and you know what? Not Silent Night, or for that matter, a Gregorian farking Chant.
 
2013-12-20 07:26:49 AM

what_now: If you must sing Christmas songs, why the hell choose the most religious one???

My niece had her winter concert this week, and they did a whole medley of songs about Christmas, winter, Holidays etc, and you know what? Not Silent Night, or for that matter, a Gregorian farking Chant.


Do you find Silent Night offensive?
 
2013-12-20 07:29:18 AM
You know, I am SICK of this sh*t.  We cater to every other religion in this country,  gays and addicts, so what's the farking big deal with carrying on with the most tradition-oriented customs of the people who founded this country?

Fark YOU Christmas haters.
 
2013-12-20 07:30:33 AM

Nabb1: what_now: If you must sing Christmas songs, why the hell choose the most religious one???

My niece had her winter concert this week, and they did a whole medley of songs about Christmas, winter, Holidays etc, and you know what? Not Silent Night, or for that matter, a Gregorian farking Chant.

Do you find Silent Night offensive?




Nope. But then I'm sitting in a house covered in Christmas decorations and wearing sparkly red and gold nail polish, so I'm not the issue.

It's a public school, and they avoided any upset by going with "We Wish You a Merry Christmas".

It a New Hampshire Middle School can figure this out....
 
2013-12-20 07:32:38 AM

doglover: It's a wonderful story and was written by a school teacher in Germany. You can make it totally secular despite the religious lyrics simply by framing it historically and using the original German.


But everything sounds evil when you say it in German.


Alle verbeugen und beten den Teufel!

See?
 
2013-12-20 07:40:18 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: ScaryBottles: Slaxl: Why are non-Christians offended by Christmas? Or why do some overly-sensitive types think they would be?

Maybe because humping the bible at school is against the law. Funny how farking jesus groupies always seem to forget that little fact.

You sound rational.


Good for you AAG.
 
2013-12-20 07:46:53 AM
I have fond memories of singing O Wooly Night in elementary school. But I think my favorite was either Away in a Stranger or Hark the LA Angels Sing.
 
2013-12-20 07:51:51 AM

JoieD'Zen: Why not sing something else?
This falls into the category of defacing original art and it is wrong.


Agreed. Just leave the hymns in church, don't bastardize them because you can't sing religious songs in public school.
 
2013-12-20 07:54:42 AM
this has to be another parody news report.

surely no educator is so terrified of ideas.
 
2013-12-20 07:55:13 AM

hasty ambush: Slaxl: Why are non-Christians offended by Christmas? Or why do some overly-sensitive types think they would be?

Because they are dragged off the streets and forced to participate by Christian press gangs.   literally Christian goon squads hold guns to their heads and force then to sing Christmas songs with a religious bent They have even banned the use of the term Happy Holidays.

Remember freedom of expression does not include religion as far as Fark progressives are concerned and you will not find it mentioned in their version of the First amendment


Dude, your meds....up them.

Or up yours, whichever you prefer.

But then, I'm familiar with your postings, and this is typical for you.  You're a not very good troll.

But hey, you got a response from me, so good jerb.
 
2013-12-20 07:56:18 AM

Chaide: Chaide: Slaxl: Why are non-Christians offended by Christmas? Or why do some overly-sensitive types think they would be?

I think it's more of the ladder latter.

FTFM


Too late. You can't just run around changing words.
 
2013-12-20 08:01:02 AM

ScaryBottles: Slaxl: Why are non-Christians offended by Christmas? Or why do some overly-sensitive types think they would be?

Maybe because humping the bible at school is against the law. Funny how farking jesus groupies always seem to forget that little fact.


Ah, no.  Look, I'm as non-jeezus-y as the next gal, more of a humanist myself, but it's a farking song.  One that has been around for a long time.  I sing along with it, or hum it, it has no effect on me.  It's a pleasant song.  Might as well equate "Turkey in the Straw" with animal cruelty.

Traditional Christmas carols =/= bible humping fundies.

Get over yourself.
 
2013-12-20 08:04:45 AM
To quote Bones from the worst Trek movie ever: "It's a song, you green-blooded... Vulcan. You sing it. The words aren't important. What's important is that you have a good time singing it."
 
2013-12-20 08:06:06 AM
What the hell is going on that we are so afraid of other religions being offended by someone saying "jesus" or "christ"? Phil Robertson was told to stop saying "in jesus name" before dinner by A and E, because the muslims would be offended, now this. fark them. They have NO problem letting us know what they believe, and we are so farking pussified by 9 /11 that we cower in the corner and whine "please, dont hurt us" while we bend over to kiss their asses. Guess what? Some people in America are CHRISTIANS. And they believe in God and Jesus. And they have the right to say whatever they want, sing whatever they want, and do whatever they want within the law. I'm getting really sick of America sucking muslim dick because we are afraid of them getting pissed and going bugshiat crazy. Its a RELIGION, just like any other, and no accommodation should be made for them over any other.
 
2013-12-20 08:07:37 AM
You guys are old.  Haven't you ever heard of a remix before?
 
2013-12-20 08:10:14 AM

hasty ambush: Christian press gangs


A simple "THANKS FARTBAMA" would have sufficed.
 
2013-12-20 08:11:04 AM

Bit'O'Gristle: What the hell is going on that we are so afraid of other religions being offended by someone saying "jesus" or "christ"? Phil Robertson was told to stop saying "in jesus name" before dinner by A and E, because the muslims would be offended, now this. fark them. They have NO problem letting us know what they believe, and we are so farking pussified by 9 /11 that we cower in the corner and whine "please, dont hurt us" while we bend over to kiss their asses. Guess what? Some people in America are CHRISTIANS. And they believe in God and Jesus. And they have the right to say whatever they want, sing whatever they want, and do whatever they want within the law. I'm getting really sick of America sucking muslim dick because we are afraid of them getting pissed and going bugshiat crazy. Its a RELIGION, just like any other, and no accommodation should be made for them over any other.


I always liked your posts, but you just got favorited because of this message.
 
2013-12-20 08:12:27 AM

Bit'O'Gristle: What the hell is going on that we are so afraid of other religions being offended by someone saying "jesus" or "christ"? Phil Robertson was told to stop saying "in jesus name" before dinner by A and E, because the muslims would be offended, now this. fark them. They have NO problem letting us know what they believe, and we are so farking pussified by 9 /11 that we cower in the corner and whine "please, dont hurt us" while we bend over to kiss their asses. Guess what? Some people in America are CHRISTIANS. And they believe in God and Jesus. And they have the right to say whatever they want, sing whatever they want, and do whatever they want within the law. I'm getting really sick of America sucking muslim dick because we are afraid of them getting pissed and going bugshiat crazy. Its a RELIGION, just like any other, and no accommodation should be made for them over any other.


What I find humorous is that more than likely (no citation will be provided) many of the people biatching to have any religious words taken out of everything have no problem using terms such as "goddammit", "jeezus farking crist", "oh god", "god no", etc etc.  Apparently when used like that, they are "just words".
 
2013-12-20 08:14:39 AM

ScaryBottles: Slaxl: ScaryBottles: Slaxl: Why are non-Christians offended by Christmas? Or why do some overly-sensitive types think they would be?

Maybe because humping the bible at school is against the law. Funny how farking jesus groupies always seem to forget that little fact.

Singing a Christmas carol isn't humping the bible. That also doesn't tell me why you're getting offended by it. I'm an atheist so hardly a "jesus groupy"

Then stop acting like it.


You're an idiot :)
 
2013-12-20 08:27:51 AM
Sounds much better in the original Klingon, I mean German.
 
2013-12-20 08:27:53 AM

ScaryBottles: Slaxl: ScaryBottles: Slaxl: Why are non-Christians offended by Christmas? Or why do some overly-sensitive types think they would be?

Maybe because humping the bible at school is against the law. Funny how farking jesus groupies always seem to forget that little fact.

Singing a Christmas carol isn't humping the bible. That also doesn't tell me why you're getting offended by it. I'm an atheist so hardly a "jesus groupy"

Then stop acting like it.


Oh god, who invited Reddit here?
 
2013-12-20 08:28:48 AM
Adeste fideles
laeti triumphantes
venite venite in Bethlehem

That's all I can remember.
 
2013-12-20 08:34:53 AM

Chaide: Chaide: Slaxl: Why are non-Christians offended by Christmas? Or why do some overly-sensitive types think they would be?

I think it's more of the ladder latter.

FTFM


My personal favorite is "Get over it, morans." ~ jso2897
 
2013-12-20 08:39:02 AM

stevetherobot: I don't remember any religious words in "Grandma Got Run Over by a Reindeer".



Well it does have the word Christmas in it.  Christmas = Christ Mass (or worship service of Christ).

So we need to change the words to say "walking home from our house Festuvus Binge Night."
 
2013-12-20 08:49:33 AM
It's tough to find a Christmas carol more chock-full of religious references than Silent Night. I guess that maybe God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen has more, but I can't think of another that even comes close. Taking out the religious references would require rewriting so much of the song that it would make more sense to just not skip over that one completely.
 
2013-12-20 08:51:56 AM

what_now: If you must sing Christmas songs, why the hell choose the most religious one???

My niece had her winter concert this week, and they did a whole medley of songs about Christmas, winter, Holidays etc, and you know what? Not Silent Night, or for that matter, a Gregorian farking Chant.


I find the total aversion that some schools do with regard to nonsecular songs to be insulting. My culture isn't so fragile that it can't handle my kid singing a song that has some religious history.
 
2013-12-20 08:57:31 AM
kim jong-un:

I find the total aversion that some schools do with regard to nonsecular songs to be insulting. My culture isn't so fragile that it can't handle my kid singing a song that has some religious history.

I just wanted to say that this statement coupled with your login made me larf.  :)

well done.

and excellent point as well.
 
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