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(Seattle Times)   Catholic high school vice-principal fired for marrying his same-sex partner. Students respond with the usual indifference of youth...wait, no, they staged a school-wide walkout in solidarity with the VP. Tag is for the students   (blogs.seattletimes.com) divider line 140
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2013-12-19 11:52:18 PM
"Just because I'm Catholic doesn't mean I need to believe every rule the Church has," freshman Sophia Cerino said. "We think the rule over gay marriage is totally unfair. Everyone seems to think the same thing - that we should all be treated equal."

Well she's wrong, but she's succinctly summarized the American Catholic attitude.  The trick is to believe in every rule while acknowledging that you can never adhere to every rule.
 
2013-12-20 12:08:30 AM
Hypocrite.
 
2013-12-20 12:13:43 AM
Mark Zmuda put the vice back in Vice Principal and, Pope Francis' "who am I to judge" attitude aside, went against one of the rules of his employer.  His employment contract said he must uphold that, and all other, rules of the Church.  Sounds like he's going to be out of a job.  There have been similar incidents which have occurred within the past couple of years.  One lay teacher at a Catholic high school in Wilmington, Delaware was forced out of her position because she had gotten an abortion.  She tried to appeal the decision of the school and the diocese and lost her case.
 
2013-12-20 12:28:13 AM
Correction to my original post.  The lay teacher wasn't fired for having an abortion but for allowing her name to be used in a pro-choice ad.
 
2013-12-20 12:30:13 AM
whatever
why would non-catholics expect to be able to work at a catholic school?
stranger still that the little snowflakes have all failed their catechism
pretty sure that being gay married as about as opposite from catholic as humanly possible

whatever
 
2013-12-20 12:34:47 AM
Good for the kids. Nice to see students actually standing up for someone else.
 
2013-12-20 12:36:05 AM

Lsherm: "Just because I'm Catholic doesn't mean I need to believe every rule the Church has," freshman Sophia Cerino said. "We think the rule over gay marriage is totally unfair. Everyone seems to think the same thing - that we should all be treated equal."

Well she's wrong, but she's succinctly summarized the American Catholic attitude.  The trick is to believe in every rule while acknowledging that you can never adhere to every rule.


This is what I could never understand about spiritually religious people who disagree with a tenet of their faith. If you honestly believe that God wrote your foundational document, and God really meant the things that he said, then you have to believe that there is something wrong with you for finding flaw in God's rule. Clearly God can't be wrong, so if you think there's something bad or immoral about His rules, the fault must be yours.
 
2013-12-20 12:36:45 AM

Prey4reign: Correction to my original post.  The lay teacher wasn't fired for having an abortion but for allowing her name to be used in a pro-choice ad.


She advocated for abortion (or the ability to have one).  That's still a no-no according to doctrine.  They would have fired her for being in an ad that advocated stealing, too.
 
2013-12-20 12:46:50 AM

nmrsnr: Lsherm: "Just because I'm Catholic doesn't mean I need to believe every rule the Church has," freshman Sophia Cerino said. "We think the rule over gay marriage is totally unfair. Everyone seems to think the same thing - that we should all be treated equal."

Well she's wrong, but she's succinctly summarized the American Catholic attitude.  The trick is to believe in every rule while acknowledging that you can never adhere to every rule.

This is what I could never understand about spiritually religious people who disagree with a tenet of their faith. If you honestly believe that God wrote your foundational document, and God really meant the things that he said, then you have to believe that there is something wrong with you for finding flaw in God's rule. Clearly God can't be wrong, so if you think there's something bad or immoral about His rules, the fault must be yours.


Catholic doctrine is written in two areas:  natural (divine) law and ecclesiastical (human) law.   Believe it or not, hetereosexual marriage was not considered a "natural" law until John Paul II codified it as such in 1994.  Before that it could have just been considered a traditional law with a murky classification.  JPII made it significantly more difficult to ever change it.  Natural law is considered "written by God." Opposition to abortion is classified as falling under natural law, but so is opposition to the death penalty.  At least they're consistent.  It's almost impossible to change a natural law within the church, because they are considered obvious directives from God.

Now ecclesiastical law is where you get boatloads of leeway.  Unfortunately, the only hot button issue I can think of that falls under it these days is the marriage of priests.  It wouldn't be easy, but it would be within Francis's power to allow priests to get married, or to ordain men who were already married, or some combination of other rules.
 
2013-12-20 12:51:40 AM

Lsherm: Catholic doctrine is written in two areas: natural (divine) law and ecclesiastical (human) law. Believe it or not, hetereosexual marriage was not considered a "natural" law until John Paul II codified it as such in 1994.


I can't say I understand how Catholicism reconciles the Old and New Testaments, but given how frequently Leviticus is cited as the condemnation of homosexuality, it seems like it's because God says it's a no-no, not because ecclesiastical courts said so.
 
2013-12-20 01:15:42 AM

nmrsnr: I can't say I understand how Catholicism reconciles the Old and New Testaments


I'm Catholic, and neither can I.  One of the common criticisms of Catholics from evangelical Protestants is that Catholics appear to require acts as well as faith for salvation, and the doctrine reflects that in some areas.  Being homosexual isn't sinful, but homosexual acts are.  Sex within marriage that isn't meant for procreation isn't sinful, but hedging your bets with birth control is.

But after reading up on it, there's an odd catch-22 in place:  Doctrine against homosexual acts is still ecclesiastical law, which means it could be changed.  However, marriage as only between a man and woman is now a natural law, so it's not likely to change.  But sexual acts outside of marriage are considered grave sins.

So the church could conceivably say homosexual acts are OK, but at no point could anyone exercise them without sin because they couldn't be married.  At best, homosexuals could carry on relationships, go to confession each week, then attend mass.

Even that would be a step forward.  A ridiculous step forward, but that's what happens when  you have so many laws to begin with.
 
2013-12-20 01:47:25 AM

nmrsnr: This is what I could never understand about spiritually religious people who disagree with a tenet of their faith. If you honestly believe that God wrote your foundational document, and God really meant the things that he said, then you have to believe that there is something wrong with you for finding flaw in God's rule. Clearly God can't be wrong, so if you think there's something bad or immoral about His rules, the fault must be yours.


If God's rules and expectations were always crystal clear to everyone, then you would be right. The problem is that the rules and expectations aren't always crystal clear.

In Christianity, our holy text is the Bible, which is a collection of many different written works. Some are history books, some are poems, some are prophecy, some are first hand testimonies of Jesus' life, some are letters written between people in the early church. One problem with having so many different narratives inside one volume is that they can't all be read the exact same way, hence, reading the Bible requires some basic degree of interpretation. Beyond that, most of the Bible isn't meant to be taken absolutely literally, and interpretation is again required where metaphor or other loose language is used. Finally, beyond that, there are places in the New Testament that contradict the Old Testament, so reconciling those things again requires interpretation.

Note that interpretation isn't a bad thing- for one, modern day Christians aren't called to follow the legal codes of the Old Testament (Jesus himself demonstrated this when healing sick people on the sabbath) so at a minimum there is a necessary reinterpreting of the Old Testament laws in light of the new circumstances described in the New Testament.

Hence, when I come to a conclusion that contradicts what's in the Bible there are two possibilities. The first is that I'm wrong, and the Bible is right. The second is that I'm right, and my original interpretation of the Bible was wrong.

Christians believe that God provides us insight in many ways, and the Bible is only one avenue for understanding the world around us. For example, science has repeatedly changed the way that we understand the world. When our understanding of the natural world changes, our interpretation of scripture might change as well.

In the case of homosexuality, there are some Christians who believe that it is wrong, and some that don't. If you dig into the theology of the two camps, you see that for many people it ultimately comes down to whether or not you really think that homosexuality is a choice. If it is a choice, then homosexuals are people who have deliberately gone against God's natural order. If it's not a choice, then homosexuals are an intrinsic part of God's order, and acting on same-sex impulses (in the context of a loving and monogamous marriage) isn't just OK, but it's actually a wonderful fulfillment of the role of sex in establishing emotional intimacy between partners.

The key point here is that *both* viewpoints are entirely consistent.  IF you believe that homosexuality is a choice, then the logical interpretation of the scripture is that homosexuality is wrong. IF you believe that homosexuality is NOT a choice, then the logical interpretation of the scripture is that homosexuality is OK. You have Christians on both sides who both thing they're right, and both viewpoints are entirely consistent, and the major force driving the change from one side to the other is our external (scientific) understanding of the causes of homosexuality.
 
2013-12-20 02:04:09 AM

nmrsnr: I can't say I understand how Catholicism reconciles the Old and New Testaments, but given how frequently Leviticus is cited as the condemnation of homosexuality, it seems like it's because God says it's a no-no, not because ecclesiastical courts said so.


I don't know about Catholicism either, but modern Christians do have a significant amount of wiggle room in interpreting the Old Testament laws and what they mean today.

For example, in Luke 13, Jesus heals a woman on the Sabbath, which was sinful according to the Old Testament laws. Not only was it sinful, but it was a sin against God himself (you don't wrong anyone else by working on the Sabbath). However, Jesus justified himself, essentially saying that the healing of the woman was more important to God than the admonition to not work. Jesus set the standard here (and elsewhere) saying that some directives are more important than others, but acting on that knowledge requires interpretation in order to make wise judgements about what exactly is right.

When a church as a whole makes a determination like whether or not they believe that homosexuality is a sin, they have to take a lot of things into consideration. There are a number of reasons why a modern church might decide that homosexuality is OK, even in the face of something like Leviticus 20.
 
2013-12-20 04:21:27 AM

nmrsnr: Lsherm: "Just because I'm Catholic doesn't mean I need to believe every rule the Church has," freshman Sophia Cerino said. "We think the rule over gay marriage is totally unfair. Everyone seems to think the same thing - that we should all be treated equal."

Well she's wrong, but she's succinctly summarized the American Catholic attitude.  The trick is to believe in every rule while acknowledging that you can never adhere to every rule.

This is what I could never understand about spiritually religious people who disagree with a tenet of their faith. If you honestly believe that God wrote your foundational document, and God really meant the things that he said, then you have to believe that there is something wrong with you for finding flaw in God's rule. Clearly God can't be wrong, so if you think there's something bad or immoral about His rules, the fault must be yours.


The capacity of the faithful for self-delusion is limitless.
 
2013-12-20 05:39:06 AM
Mike Huckabee knows where the next school shooting is going to be.
 
2013-12-20 05:41:19 AM

Lsherm: "Just because I'm Catholic doesn't mean I need to believe every rule the Church has," freshman Sophia Cerino said. "We think the rule over gay marriage is totally unfair. Everyone seems to think the same thing - that we should all be treated equal."

Well she's wrong, but she's succinctly summarized the American Catholic attitude.  The trick is to believe in every rule while acknowledging that you can never adhere to every rule.


Well, I disagree with you.  A church shouldn't be a top-down organization.  That's what's wrong with the Catholic Church, and the root of a lot (most?) of its problems.  Perhaps if they listened a bit more to their members, they would be doing better at keeping them.
 
2013-12-20 05:46:37 AM
"hey Josh, we're staging a school-wide walk-out today. Are you with Us"

"absolutely 100%. what's it about"

"No Idea. gay marriage or summat"

"OK.... I guess.... see you at the mall"
 
2013-12-20 05:51:32 AM
Good on the students. It's a shame he won't get his job back, but it's good to see some common sense, regardless of religous affiliation. Everybody's equal, I don't care what some book with too many revisions says.

CSB: My mother was a Catholic School teacher some 30+ years ago and got fired because her husband (not my father) cheated on her, prompting a divorce. Dumb.

/csb
 
2013-12-20 05:55:43 AM
Teachers at Catholic schools, Patterson said, sign contracts that they will abide by the doctrine of the Catholic Church, which opposes and forbids same-sex marriage.

The real shame is that too many asswipes in this country think they can ignore contracts whenever they are inconvenient.
 
2013-12-20 05:57:07 AM
Fabini, your argument is well put and presented, but you are not speaking for Christians. You would be well served to clarify that you are speaking from your own Christian standpoint and understanding. Every Christian is when they open their mouth and try to explain God, Jesus and Christianity.

I am a Christian, my interpretation is different. I respect yours, but yours does not speak for me.

This is something that those who strive to understand should realise: we are free to think what we want, and free to choose to belong to a church, or not.

I belong to no church, no Christian leader tells me what to think or how to interpret the bible.

Another Christian is a polar opposite.

Just saying.
 
2013-12-20 06:01:24 AM

Fubini: The key point here is that *both* viewpoints are entirely consistent.  IF you believe that homosexuality is a choice, then the logical interpretation of the scripture is that homosexuality is wrong. IF you believe that homosexuality is NOT a choice, then the logical interpretation of the scripture is that homosexuality is OK. You have Christians on both sides who both thing they're right, and both viewpoints are entirely consistent, and the major force driving the change from one side to the other is our external (scientific) understanding of the causes of homosexuality.


... except that the vast majority of Christians decry anything scientific that doesn't jive with their view of how the world should be.
 
2013-12-20 06:01:38 AM
That's gay.
 
2013-12-20 06:03:07 AM

Descartes: Teachers at Catholic schools, Patterson said, sign contracts that they will abide by the doctrine of the Catholic Church, which opposes and forbids same-sex marriage.

The real shame is that too many asswipes in this country think they can ignore contracts whenever they are inconvenient.


I have much more respect for somebody who places more importance on the people he/she loves, than an arbitrary contract. It's not like he asked the students to protest for him.
 
2013-12-20 06:03:21 AM
So did it work? Did he get his job back? ...*crickets*........Hey kids!...*crickets*
 
2013-12-20 06:09:19 AM
www.realitytvworld.com
I'm gay!
 
2013-12-20 06:10:14 AM

sleeper2995: So did it work? Did he get his job back? ...*crickets*........Hey kids!...*crickets*


No, but it showed up reddit, and lots of people expressed their opinions.

Then, hours later, it showed up here.

That has to count for something.
 
2013-12-20 06:10:57 AM

sleeper2995: Hey kids!


You know that truancy can be punished with jail time in Washington, right? Unlike most protesters these kids are breaking the law just by being present at the protest. When's the last time you risked going to jail over a social cause?
 
2013-12-20 06:15:50 AM

profplump: sleeper2995: Hey kids!

You know that truancy can be punished with jail time in Washington, right? Unlike most protesters these kids are breaking the law just by being present at the protest. When's the last time you risked going to jail over a social cause?


Then, like Edward Snowden, they should go to jail for standing up for what they believe in.
 
2013-12-20 06:17:06 AM
I could never comprehend the anti-homosexual stance of the church. Supposedly God gave mankind free will, that we might make our own choices. That He and only He would judge us based on our actions in life. So who the fark are you to gainsay God?
 
2013-12-20 06:18:38 AM

nmrsnr: Lsherm: Catholic doctrine is written in two areas: natural (divine) law and ecclesiastical (human) law. Believe it or not, hetereosexual marriage was not considered a "natural" law until John Paul II codified it as such in 1994.

I can't say I understand how Catholicism reconciles the Old and New Testaments, but given how frequently Leviticus is cited as the condemnation of homosexuality, it seems like it's because God says it's a no-no, not because ecclesiastical courts said so.


The verse "Jesus Wept." is just as much in context in Hellraiser as the quote from Lev. is when most people quote it. It is refering to temple/ritual sex which was typically performed in pagan rights man on man or woman on woman in ancient times. That is what Lev. it talking about. Read the whole chapter, not just "Jesus wept.".

/Yes I know "Jesus wept" is not in Leviticus... I was making a point about context. :)
//The sin of Soddom and Gomorrah was not homosexuality, but rather how they treated the poor, and that's putting asside all the rapey stuff that was common.
 
2013-12-20 06:19:53 AM

Chaide: Good on the students. It's a shame he won't get his job back, but it's good to see some common sense, regardless of religous affiliation. Everybody's equal, I don't care what some book with too many revisions says.

CSB: My mother was a Catholic School teacher some 30+ years ago and got fired because her husband (not my father) cheated on her, prompting a divorce. Dumb.

/csb


Is your mom still catholic?
 
2013-12-20 06:20:27 AM
Actions have consequences ....just ask Phil. Nothing wrong with a boss protecting his business...why are these kids heroes and the people supporting Phil just a bunch of hicks? Oh I know...spin!
 
2013-12-20 06:21:18 AM

RINO: I could never comprehend the anti-homosexual stance of the church. Supposedly God gave mankind free will, that we might make our own choices. That He and only He would judge us based on our actions in life. So who the fark are you to gainsay God?


Didn't you notice the moral behind the very first story of the bible?

He gave us free will to see if we would use it, in spite of his rules. When we did, he not only drove us out of paradise, but then punished all of humanity, forever.

Free will wasn't a gift, it was a test. We aren't supposed to use it.
 
2013-12-20 06:24:14 AM

Lsherm: "Just because I'm Catholic doesn't mean I need to believe every rule the Church has," freshman Sophia Cerino said. "We think the rule over gay marriage is totally unfair. Everyone seems to think the same thing - that we should all be treated equal."

Well she's wrong, but she's succinctly summarized the American Catholic attitude.  The trick is to believe in every rule while acknowledging that you can never adhere to every rule.


And buttsecks means you're still a virgin.  And its the last day before school break, so why not take the day off and stretch vacation out a little more?
 
2013-12-20 06:25:14 AM

SilentStrider: Good for the kids. Nice to see students actually standing up for someone else.


Like it's hard for students to come up with a reason to cut class.

/something something follow the herd something something
 
2013-12-20 06:31:48 AM

Shirley Ujest: Chaide: Good on the students. It's a shame he won't get his job back, but it's good to see some common sense, regardless of religous affiliation. Everybody's equal, I don't care what some book with too many revisions says.

CSB: My mother was a Catholic School teacher some 30+ years ago and got fired because her husband (not my father) cheated on her, prompting a divorce. Dumb.

/csb

Is your mom still catholic?


As far as I'm aware. My father isn't religious (nor am I, just pointing out for the sake of this conversation) and never went to church, so my mom stopped dragging us there when we were very young. She's very open minded, and I'd say personal faith is more important to her than what other people practice, let alone the establishment.
 
2013-12-20 06:33:53 AM
nmrsnr:
This is what I could never understand about spiritually religious people who disagree with a tenet of their faith. If you honestly believe that God wrote your foundational document, and God really meant the things that he said, then you have to believe that there is something wrong with you for finding flaw in God's rule. Clearly God can't be wrong, so if you think there's something bad or immoral about His rules, the fault must be yours.

Plenty of Christians believe the bible was written by humans, not by God.
 
2013-12-20 06:39:06 AM
If anything, the kids walking out is proof that the principal wasn't doing his job teaching them how to be catholic.
 
2013-12-20 06:40:51 AM

MemeSlave: Lsherm: "Just because I'm Catholic doesn't mean I need to believe every rule the Church has," freshman Sophia Cerino said. "We think the rule over gay marriage is totally unfair. Everyone seems to think the same thing - that we should all be treated equal."

Well she's wrong, but she's succinctly summarized the American Catholic attitude.  The trick is to believe in every rule while acknowledging that you can never adhere to every rule.

And buttsecks means you're still a virgin.  And its the last day before school break, so why not take the day off and stretch vacation out a little more?


I don't want to speak for him, but I think Lsherm's point might be that, according to Catholics, doctrine isn't very very much open to interpretation. Catholics aren't Protestants...

To say, "I'm a Catholic, but I disagree with the Church on this issue" is basically saying "I'm a heretic, but..."

A Catholic would do better to say "I choose to disagree with the .church, and so I am a sinner," and go through the proper "channels." Asking forgiveness, confessing the sin, etc.
 
2013-12-20 06:45:55 AM

Descartes: Teachers at Catholic schools, Patterson said, sign contracts that they will abide by the doctrine of the Catholic Church, which opposes and forbids same-sex marriage.

The real shame is that too many asswipes in this country think they can ignore contracts whenever they are inconvenient.


Contracts are one way streets, not actual agreements.

Rules serve the rulers.

Kids just changed the rules.

Need more of these ass wipes that don't wipe ass.
 
2013-12-20 06:51:37 AM

zepillin: Descartes: Teachers at Catholic schools, Patterson said, sign contracts that they will abide by the doctrine of the Catholic Church, which opposes and forbids same-sex marriage.

The real shame is that too many asswipes in this country think they can ignore contracts whenever they are inconvenient.

Contracts are one way streets, not actual agreements.

Rules serve the rulers.

Kids just changed the rules.

Need more of these ass wipes that don't wipe ass.


The Catholic Church is a one way street. Kids can't change the rules.
 
GCD
2013-12-20 06:52:17 AM
Good teacher? ✔
Appears to have a solid track record? ✔
Students and co-workers seem to like him? ✔
Takes on extra duties and responsibilities above and beyond the role? ✔
Gay? ✔

ERMAHGERD! He's teh ghey! We CANNOT have him teach here. He must be quarantined, segregated and ostracized. It's for his own good. It's done in the name of God. We only have his best interests at heart!

And for that reason alone, despite being raised Catholic, I will never identify or support any religion that can't get its archaic head out of its ass...(or maybe it's out of the choirboy's ass).

And while I commend the current Pope for taking action against these archaic ways of the church, it's not nearly enough to entice me to come back to the "flock".
 
2013-12-20 06:55:38 AM

kukukupo: If anything, the kids walking out is proof that the principal wasn't doing his job teaching them how to be catholic.


If anything, his job was not primarily about "teaching them how to be catholic."
 
2013-12-20 06:58:28 AM

GCD: Good teacher? ✔
Appears to have a solid track record? ✔
Students and co-workers seem to like him? ✔
Takes on extra duties and responsibilities above and beyond the role? ✔
Gay? ✔

ERMAHGERD! He's teh ghey! We CANNOT have him teach here. He must be quarantined, segregated and ostracized. It's for his own good. It's done in the name of God. We only have his best interests at heart!

And for that reason alone, despite being raised Catholic, I will never identify or support any religion that can't get its archaic head out of its ass...(or maybe it's out of the choirboy's ass).

And while I commend the current Pope for taking action against these archaic ways of the church, it's not nearly enough to entice me to come back to the "flock".


I haven't seen where the new pope has said that the Church should be more democratic. Nor have I seen the Church become open to homosexuality.

I've only seen him preach love and succor for the poor, which is Church doctrine. Not focusing exclusively on hot issues like homosexuality or abortion may be less conservative, but it doesn't mean the Churches stance on them has changed...

How is this pope "taking action against the archaic ways" of his church?
 
2013-12-20 06:58:43 AM

zepillin: Descartes: Teachers at Catholic schools, Patterson said, sign contracts that they will abide by the doctrine of the Catholic Church, which opposes and forbids same-sex marriage.

Contracts are one way streets, not actual agreements.


I'm sure they paid him as agreed in the contract. Seems like a two way street to me

I doubt your employer (assuming you work) wants you to go out and publicly disrespect what they stand for in the community. Live your life free as you want... But if you want other people to pay you, understand they might have conditions.
 
2013-12-20 07:01:54 AM

ekdikeo4: Fubini: The key point here is that *both* viewpoints are entirely consistent.  IF you believe that homosexuality is a choice, then the logical interpretation of the scripture is that homosexuality is wrong. IF you believe that homosexuality is NOT a choice, then the logical interpretation of the scripture is that homosexuality is OK. You have Christians on both sides who both thing they're right, and both viewpoints are entirely consistent, and the major force driving the change from one side to the other is our external (scientific) understanding of the causes of homosexuality.

... except that the vast majority of (loudmouth, ignorant) Christians decry anything scientific that doesn't jive with their view of how the world should be.


FYFY

Quite a few of us embrace science.  One of the most eloquent Christians I have known is a geneticist.  He could wax eloquent of the majesty of God's handiwork in DNA, even while delivering news of defects that could be fatal.  His words of comfort and wisdom meant that much more than simple platitudes from some ignorant Bible thumper.
 
2013-12-20 07:02:35 AM
Any organization run by humans, given enough time, is going to be farked up. Given more time, the more farked up it'll be.

The Catholic church has had over 2000 years to work at it.  Heck, even some of the things the Apostles did was farked up, so it got started right out of the gate.  (Of course, it's hard to attribute that to the "Catholic church", which came later, but you get my point.)

That's why any religion or denomination which emphases the individual with minimum hierarchy and dogma is always going to be a better idea.  The whole concept of divine inspiration (I forget the latin term) is somewhat moot when we acknowledge that humans are going to begin to fark it up in translation, and everything going on from there.
 
2013-12-20 07:05:50 AM


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2013-12-20 07:14:19 AM

nmrsnr: I can't say I understand how Catholicism reconciles the Old and New Testaments


Neither can protestants - they claim not to use the old testament at all, yet Jack Chick quotes heaviliy from it.
 
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