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2013-12-19 02:50:14 PM
I love these comics.
I love Neil Gaiman.
I love these characters.

I can't be even cautiously optimistic because casting them will be nigh ungodly impossible. It would have to be, for starters, all unknowns, and then they'd have to be prefect unknowns to fit the role.

The comic is just too iconic. I'd be happy if I was proven wrong, but I don't see how it could work.
 
2013-12-19 03:17:02 PM
C'mon, where's the word on that Good Omens miniseries that was supposedly in production?!

(Allan Rickman would be fantastic as Crowley OR Azriphale.)
 
2013-12-19 03:19:53 PM
Too much fanboy adoration will make any alteration unacceptable. They won't be able to use any of the DC characters in the first storyline.
DC makes consistently bad choices for things that aren't Batman, and sometimes things that are. Look at the AWESOME job they did with their Vertigo property 'Constantine'.
I don't like Marvel, but they can do no wrong on their movie properties. It's all a matter of tone.

There is zero chance of this being good.

/I'm a blast at parties
//Have all the single issues of the original run
///in before the 'HBO series' crap.
////Any more slashes and I'd be Zzasz
 
2013-12-19 03:22:56 PM
Felgraf: C'mon, where's the word on that Good Omens miniseries that was supposedly in production?!

(Allan Rickman would be fantastic as Crowley OR AND Azriphale.)

FTFY.

You know it in your heart to be true.
 
2013-12-19 03:23:50 PM
Where's the "cautiously optimistic" tag? 

Hanging out with World War Z.
 
2013-12-19 03:25:11 PM
Sandman is probably near impossible to film. Can we get an actually good Hellblazer movie or series on the BBC or HBO?
 
2013-12-19 03:26:54 PM
I adore the comic, but adapting it isn't going to be easy.

I don't suppose there's any chance they will do it animated? That'd be one piece of news that WOULD make me optimistic. Hell, give it to the studio that made Gaiman's Coraline, then at least it will be guaranteed to be gorgeous.
 
2013-12-19 03:30:50 PM

Felgraf: C'mon, where's the word on that Good Omens miniseries that was supposedly in production?!

(Allan Rickman would be fantastic as Crowley OR Azriphale.)


Crowley should be either Allan Rickman or Roger Allam.

Aziraphale should be...hm...Chris Barrie?

And Pulsifer should be Martin Freeman.
 
2013-12-19 03:31:42 PM

serpent_sky: The comic is just too iconic. I'd be happy if I was proven wrong, but I don't see how it could work.


If they don't try and tackle too much you can pare down Preludes and Nocturnes into just imprisonment, freedom, and either the diner/ruby episode or the challenge in hell story (I'd prefer the hell one). That can fit into a single movie, and the only characters you really have to worry about are Dream and Lucifer.

That being said, they'll probably do the hell story, but give Dream Constantine as a wisecracking buddy-cop duo with lots of exploding demon guts and a giant, red, horned devil who spits fire and have Michael Bay direct. Because Hollywood hates good stories.
 
2013-12-19 03:32:17 PM

serpent_sky: I can't be even cautiously optimistic because casting them will be nigh ungodly impossible. It would have to be, for starters, all unknowns, and then they'd have to be prefect unknowns to fit the role.


It's not that.  It's that you and many others won't modify your expectations because you've developed an unhealthy relationship with fictional characters that can and should be reinterpreted occasionally.
 
2013-12-19 03:34:07 PM

Wade_Wilson: I don't suppose there's any chance they will do it animated?


They should, but no, because in the US animated still means "kid friendly" and when it gets an R or hard PG-13 rating people will be very angry when it gives their kids nightmares.
 
2013-12-19 03:38:11 PM

nmrsnr: serpent_sky: The comic is just too iconic. I'd be happy if I was proven wrong, but I don't see how it could work.

If they don't try and tackle too much you can pare down Preludes and Nocturnes into just imprisonment, freedom, and either the diner/ruby episode or the challenge in hell story (I'd prefer the hell one). That can fit into a single movie, and the only characters you really have to worry about are Dream and Lucifer.

That being said, they'll probably do the hell story, but give Dream Constantine as a wisecracking buddy-cop duo with lots of exploding demon guts and a giant, red, horned devil who spits fire and have Michael Bay direct. Because Hollywood hates good stories.


What worries me about anything involving Lucifer is how they'll censor it. Remember the colossal farkup that was The Golden Compass, a movie with mention of religion based on a book all about religion?
 
2013-12-19 03:42:31 PM
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2013-12-19 03:44:13 PM

Lord Dimwit: nmrsnr: serpent_sky: The comic is just too iconic. I'd be happy if I was proven wrong, but I don't see how it could work.

If they don't try and tackle too much you can pare down Preludes and Nocturnes into just imprisonment, freedom, and either the diner/ruby episode or the challenge in hell story (I'd prefer the hell one). That can fit into a single movie, and the only characters you really have to worry about are Dream and Lucifer.

That being said, they'll probably do the hell story, but give Dream Constantine as a wisecracking buddy-cop duo with lots of exploding demon guts and a giant, red, horned devil who spits fire and have Michael Bay direct. Because Hollywood hates good stories.

What worries me about anything involving Lucifer is how they'll censor it. Remember the colossal farkup that was The Golden Compass, a movie with mention of religion based on a book all about religion?


Phillip Pullman wasn't involved in the movie beyond cashing a check. Gaiman is involved, and, as shown by the numerous times he's scuttled productions of his works that didn't meet with his approval (this is like the 5 or 6th attempt at a Sandman movie), will not hesitate to pull the plug if he doesn't approve of any changes.
 
2013-12-19 03:46:30 PM
I was WAY late to the party on these. Just read the series on my Kindle and was amazed. Great storytelling mixed with amazing artwork. I agree that to cast this right you need unknowns who can act well and stick to a few scenes but really, so many great stories to choose from. Sorry it took me so long, but glad I made it anyway.

/Delirium is the personification of don't stick your dick in crazy
 
2013-12-19 03:47:26 PM

Felgraf: C'mon, where's the word on that Good Omens miniseries that was supposedly in production?!

(Allan Rickman would be fantastic as Crowley OR Azriphale.)


i will bloody well see your rickman/crowley IF there is aziraphale/mckellan

those two would have a bloody field day w/the script.  problem is the kids? don't know any of the youngsters.

oh god i hope she doesn't transcend, but shirley mclaine as "madame tracey and shut it rowan atkinson, i am NOT a painted southern HOOR"
 
2013-12-19 03:48:48 PM

Snapper Carr: Lord Dimwit: nmrsnr: serpent_sky: The comic is just too iconic. I'd be happy if I was proven wrong, but I don't see how it could work.

If they don't try and tackle too much you can pare down Preludes and Nocturnes into just imprisonment, freedom, and either the diner/ruby episode or the challenge in hell story (I'd prefer the hell one). That can fit into a single movie, and the only characters you really have to worry about are Dream and Lucifer.

That being said, they'll probably do the hell story, but give Dream Constantine as a wisecracking buddy-cop duo with lots of exploding demon guts and a giant, red, horned devil who spits fire and have Michael Bay direct. Because Hollywood hates good stories.

What worries me about anything involving Lucifer is how they'll censor it. Remember the colossal farkup that was The Golden Compass, a movie with mention of religion based on a book all about religion?

Phillip Pullman wasn't involved in the movie beyond cashing a check. Gaiman is involved, and, as shown by the numerous times he's scuttled productions of his works that didn't meet with his approval (this is like the 5 or 6th attempt at a Sandman movie), will not hesitate to pull the plug if he doesn't approve of any changes.


Hate to rain on your parade, but Gaiman has little to no influence directly over the film production of Sandman, as part of his initial contract involved signing over the rights. He says as much on his tumblr (link goes to post).

That said, I remain cautiously optimistic, and have assured myself that if it is a bomb, I can ignore it just as easily as I ignore the prequels to SW or sequels to Highlander or Shamalyan's rendition of Avatar.
 
2013-12-19 03:50:11 PM

Lord Dimwit: What worries me about anything involving Lucifer is how they'll censor it.


I don't see why, Lucifer doesn't come across as sympathetic in any way in that storyline, he can be the Charming Devil, suave and graceful while plotting for Dream's demise the whole time. As long as he's clearly evil I don't see why there needs to be any censoring.

Some people are trying to adapt Preacher for AMC, and the whole point of that comic is calling god an asshole deadbeat dad to Creation. If they think they can get away with that (I know, it's not the same people) I'm not worried about the devil being the antagonist being censored.
 
2013-12-19 03:52:55 PM
I hope they show some good Death in the movie.
 
2013-12-19 03:52:59 PM

Lord Dimwit: Felgraf: C'mon, where's the word on that Good Omens miniseries that was supposedly in production?!

(Allan Rickman would be fantastic as Crowley OR Azriphale.)

Crowley should be either Allan Rickman or Roger Allam.

Aziraphale should be...hm...Chris Barrie?

And Pulsifer should be Martin Freeman.


no, martin freeman should be the guy "taking his constitutional" while composing: that was tori amos, ed sheehan, trent and THE 27CLUB on harleys?
 
2013-12-19 03:56:01 PM

serpent_sky: I love these comics.
I love Neil Gaiman.
I love these characters.

I can't be even cautiously optimistic because casting them will be nigh ungodly impossible. It would have to be, for starters, all unknowns, and then they'd have to be prefect unknowns to fit the role.

The comic is just too iconic. I'd be happy if I was proven wrong, but I don't see how it could work.


THIS
1) did Gaiman retain creative control? aka what martin and rowling have done
2) did Gaiman force them to not do it in hollywood? aka what rowling forced and what HBO did

and will this be a series, because the 7+ books would NOT fit in one movie ... LOL
 
2013-12-19 03:57:52 PM

cynicalminion: Lord Dimwit: Felgraf: C'mon, where's the word on that Good Omens miniseries that was supposedly in production?!

(Allan Rickman would be fantastic as Crowley OR Azriphale.)

Crowley should be either Allan Rickman or Roger Allam.

Aziraphale should be...hm...Chris Barrie?

And Pulsifer should be Martin Freeman.

no, martin freeman should be the guy "taking his constitutional" while composing: that was tori amos, ed sheehan, trent and THE 27CLUB on harleys?


damn you all
time to reread good omens
 
2013-12-19 04:02:28 PM

Felgraf: C'mon, where's the word on that Good Omens miniseries that was supposedly in production?!

(Allan Rickman would be fantastic as Crowley OR Azriphale.)


You're forgetting: Hollywood.

Crowley would be cast with Tom Cruise, Aziraphale would be played by Shia Labeouf, the Hell Hound would turn into a wise cracking Chihuahua with a Cockney accent. War would be portrayed by Kirsten Dunst, and they'd bring on Macaulay Culkin to play Adam.

Never underestimate the ability of Hollywood to completely fark up even the most brilliant stories.

web.mit.edu
 
2013-12-19 04:03:21 PM

namatad: cynicalminion: Lord Dimwit: Felgraf: C'mon, where's the word on that Good Omens miniseries that was supposedly in production?!

(Allan Rickman would be fantastic as Crowley OR Azriphale.)

Crowley should be either Allan Rickman or Roger Allam.

Aziraphale should be...hm...Chris Barrie?

And Pulsifer should be Martin Freeman.

no, martin freeman should be the guy "taking his constitutional" while composing: that was tori amos, ed sheehan, trent and THE 27CLUB on harleys?

damn you all
time to reread good omens


as long as maggie smith is sister talkative...
 
2013-12-19 04:04:13 PM

serpent_sky: I love these comics.
I love Neil Gaiman.
I love these characters.

I can't be even cautiously optimistic because casting them will be nigh ungodly impossible. It would have to be, for starters, all unknowns, and then they'd have to be prefect unknowns to fit the role.

The comic is just too iconic. I'd be happy if I was proven wrong, but I don't see how it could work.


Agreed!  The characters are just too unique to put high profile actors in their rolls.  I am very excited about the possibility of this actually being made - but extremely scared at the same time.  Like others have said - the collossal farkshiat show they did with Constantine doesn't exactly fill me with hope.
 
2013-12-19 04:05:43 PM
I can't even be cautiously optimistic, because I've seen some of the scripts for earlier attempts at this.
 
2013-12-19 04:07:03 PM
Has anyone read his newest The Ocean at the End of the Lane? Is it any good?
 
2013-12-19 04:08:27 PM

unchellmatt: Never underestimate the ability of Hollywood to completely fark up even the most brilliant stories.


this. I has a sad now...
 
2013-12-19 04:12:37 PM

SordidEuphemism: Snapper Carr: Lord Dimwit: nmrsnr: serpent_sky: The comic is just too iconic. I'd be happy if I was proven wrong, but I don't see how it could work.

If they don't try and tackle too much you can pare down Preludes and Nocturnes into just imprisonment, freedom, and either the diner/ruby episode or the challenge in hell story (I'd prefer the hell one). That can fit into a single movie, and the only characters you really have to worry about are Dream and Lucifer.

That being said, they'll probably do the hell story, but give Dream Constantine as a wisecracking buddy-cop duo with lots of exploding demon guts and a giant, red, horned devil who spits fire and have Michael Bay direct. Because Hollywood hates good stories.

What worries me about anything involving Lucifer is how they'll censor it. Remember the colossal farkup that was The Golden Compass, a movie with mention of religion based on a book all about religion?

Phillip Pullman wasn't involved in the movie beyond cashing a check. Gaiman is involved, and, as shown by the numerous times he's scuttled productions of his works that didn't meet with his approval (this is like the 5 or 6th attempt at a Sandman movie), will not hesitate to pull the plug if he doesn't approve of any changes.

Hate to rain on your parade, but Gaiman has little to no influence directly over the film production of Sandman, as part of his initial contract involved signing over the rights. He says as much on his tumblr (link goes to post).

That said, I remain cautiously optimistic, and have assured myself that if it is a bomb, I can ignore it just as easily as I ignore the prequels to SW or sequels to Highlander or Shamalyan's rendition of Avatar.


What?

/Cautiously optimistic to put it mildly
//Animated seems the only way to go
///I am Breschau of Livonia!
 
2013-12-19 04:12:43 PM

unchellmatt: Felgraf: C'mon, where's the word on that Good Omens miniseries that was supposedly in production?!

(Allan Rickman would be fantastic as Crowley OR Azriphale.)

You're forgetting: Hollywood.

Crowley would be cast with Tom Cruise, Aziraphale would be played by Shia Labeouf, the Hell Hound would turn into a wise cracking Chihuahua with a Cockney accent. War would be portrayed by Kirsten Dunst, and they'd bring on Macaulay Culkin to play Adam.

Never underestimate the ability of Hollywood to completely fark up even the most brilliant stories.

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Not hollywood. LAst time I heard, BBC miniseries.
 
2013-12-19 04:12:46 PM

Jambalaya James: Has anyone read his newest The Ocean at the End of the Lane? Is it any good?



I liked it, it has the usual Gaiman-y hidden realities and residents thereof. My only complaint was it was over too quickly. I probably shouldn't complain, though, since it was just the length it needed to be to tell that story, a longer book would have been flabby.
 
2013-12-19 04:14:02 PM
I spent a summer reading the graphic novels, listening to Cocteau Twins, The Cure, The Smiths, Dead Can Dance, and some 90's goth compilation albums from the projekt label and Goth box, of course.

Any soundtrack that uses up-to-date music will fark this movie up so bad.

Like, holy shiat, they better have the right music. There is nothing in the electronica, synth or alt rock genres right now that are mellow or sad enough to fit score that kind of character and scenery.
 
2013-12-19 04:15:05 PM

rogue49: I hope they show some good Death in the movie.


pauley perrette.

if anyone can pull off bubbly to somber at the drop of a hat, it's abby, the happiest goth EVAR!

oooh, they could even re-enact a scene with linda hunnntttttaasssss...wait nononononotNOTGOING THERE
too late.

you are now seeing linda hunt as despair...

you're welcome.  now GBTW!
 
2013-12-19 04:23:11 PM
I would love to see gaimans version of lucifer made into either a series or a movie. Either would be awesome. The screams from the religious right alone would make it worthwhile.
 
2013-12-19 04:23:53 PM

namatad: cynicalminion: Lord Dimwit: Felgraf: C'mon, where's the word on that Good Omens miniseries that was supposedly in production?!

(Allan Rickman would be fantastic as Crowley OR Azriphale.)

Crowley should be either Allan Rickman or Roger Allam.

Aziraphale should be...hm...Chris Barrie?

And Pulsifer should be Martin Freeman.

no, martin freeman should be the guy "taking his constitutional" while composing: that was tori amos, ed sheehan, trent and THE 27CLUB on harleys?

damn you all
time to reread good omens


I always thought of Johnny Depp and Robin Williams.
 
2013-12-19 04:27:46 PM

Weaver95: I would love to see gaimans version of lucifer made into either a series or a movie. Either would be awesome. The screams from the religious right alone would make it worthwhile.


This might make me a heretic, but I like the Lucifer comic more than Sandman. I like the overarching narrative and consistent artistry. I'm still pissed at the artwork they chose for The Kindly Ones, best story of the series and possibly the most irritating artwork.
 
2013-12-19 04:28:04 PM
Levitt as Sandman = Fail

He is a good actor but he is totally wrong for the part. If he actually directs too I'm calling it now its going to be terrible. Sorry but as I said he is a good actor but he is a little light in the pants dramatically for subject matter this dense. In ten years maybe but right now no way.
 
2013-12-19 04:30:01 PM

Weaver95: I would love to see gaimans version of lucifer made into either a series or a movie. Either would be awesome. The screams from the religious right alone would make it worthwhile.


lucifer as cumberbunny, and fiddler's green as (if we can pick and choose) peter ustinov.

also, here is trioditis:
img.fark.net
 
2013-12-19 04:30:33 PM

nmrsnr: Weaver95: I would love to see gaimans version of lucifer made into either a series or a movie. Either would be awesome. The screams from the religious right alone would make it worthwhile.

This might make me a heretic, but I like the Lucifer comic more than Sandman. I like the overarching narrative and consistent artistry. I'm still pissed at the artwork they chose for The Kindly Ones, best story of the series and possibly the most irritating artwork.


If they just did "the Morningstar option" as a film, I'd be happy with it.
 
2013-12-19 04:32:05 PM

Bennie Crabtree: I spent a summer reading the graphic novels, listening to Cocteau Twins, The Cure, The Smiths, Dead Can Dance, and some 90's goth compilation albums from the projekt label and Goth box, of course.

Any soundtrack that uses up-to-date music will fark this movie up so bad.

Like, holy shiat, they better have the right music. There is nothing in the electronica, synth or alt rock genres right now that are mellow or sad enough to fit score that kind of character and scenery.



I sort of agree, but then you run the risk of sticking the whole story into one particular point in time, i.e. 25 years ago. But it would also be a mistake to misapply music that's too trendy and pin it down to 'right now', and regular old film-score-warmed-over Wagner & Mahler wouldn't be appropriate, either. Maybe original new music with the tone you mentioned? Maybe multiple composers assigned to the standalone chapters like Ramadan and Dream of a Thousand Cats, which they better not omit.

I was just wondering about whether Death's character design might look slightly dated -- example, I borrowed 'Absolute Death' from the library a couple months ago and my daughter's comment was "oh, it's that woman everyone made into a LiveJournal userpic ten years ago". But then again she's iconic. They'll have to be careful with her.
 
2013-12-19 04:34:18 PM
oh, and before we get off into THAT territory, if titania and oberon show up  they HAVE to be morena and fillion...  joss, we still remember firefy... and neither mal, caleb (you WANT something wrong with the priesthood?) or spike :
 
2013-12-19 04:35:58 PM
img.fark.netnever mind, i'll be in my coffin... if you'd like to join me...
 
2013-12-19 04:39:09 PM

cynicalminion: you are now seeing linda hunt as despair...



No. Despair will always be my ex-wife.
 
2013-12-19 04:41:58 PM
It better have BRIAN BLESSED as Destruction.
 
2013-12-19 04:46:41 PM

serpent_sky: I love these comics.
I love Neil Gaiman.
I love these characters.

I can't be even cautiously optimistic because casting them will be nigh ungodly impossible. It would have to be, for starters, all unknowns, and then they'd have to be prefect unknowns to fit the role.

The comic is just too iconic. I'd be happy if I was proven wrong, but I don't see how it could work.


Also:  Warner Bros. is doing it.  So the possibilities of it being awesome go down by a third.
 
2013-12-19 04:47:52 PM
This will be as critically and financially successful as Watchmen, I'd wager. Yikes.
 
2013-12-19 04:49:23 PM

phaseolus: cynicalminion: you are now seeing linda hunt as despair...


No. Despair will always be my ex-wife.


roseanne?
 
2013-12-19 04:50:18 PM

Weaver95: If they just did "the Morningstar option" as a film, I'd be happy with it.


I somehow missed that Sandman Presents. Hooray, I have more Lucifer to read.
 
2013-12-19 04:50:51 PM
Sure, I can see how the storyline of "24 Hours" would make a great family film.  Now where the hell is my "American Gods" mini-series?
 
2013-12-19 04:53:01 PM

Solon Isonomia: It better have BRIAN BLESSED as Destruction.


OH, FOR FARK'S SAKE, can't sean bean have ONE GORRAM character that doesn't end up fracking dead...

double bonus for bloomy with mouths in them peepers.
 
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