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2013-12-19 01:43:12 PM
It's almost like living in San Francisco costs more than living other places. But I'm sure this phenomenon is only limited to San Francisco and almost certainly blamable on the relatively high density of liberals and homosexuals.
 
2013-12-19 02:04:53 PM
My wife is a doctoral student at UC Santa Barbara. We live in "Family Student Housing" -- apartments owned by the school, and rented to students below market price. We have a two-bedroom, one-bath, ~650 sq. ft. unit.

For what we pay in rent for this, we could get a $200,000 mortgage with $0 down (so PMI would be rolled into the payment), and still have enough left over to cover the property taxes in most places in the country.

And it's still a steal for the area. We were on a waiting list for 2 years just to get it.

/Double-wide mobile home in the area just sold for $330k.
 
2013-12-19 02:09:31 PM
Welcome to low-income, subby.
 
2013-12-19 02:10:16 PM
BKITU:
For what we pay in rent for this, we could get a $200,000 mortgage with $0 down (so PMI would be rolled into the payment), and still have enough left over to cover the property taxes in most places in the country.

But then you'd be living in one of "those" places.
 
2013-12-19 02:10:40 PM
I blame the relatively high density of liberals and homosexuals.
 
2013-12-19 02:11:23 PM

Pocket Ninja: It's almost like living in San Francisco costs more than living other places. But I'm sure this phenomenon is only limited to San Francisco and almost certainly blamable on the relatively high density of liberals and homosexuals.


Live in San Francisco, can confirm. Welfare and anal sex everywhere.
 
2013-12-19 02:12:52 PM

Heamer: Pocket Ninja: It's almost like living in San Francisco costs more than living other places. But I'm sure this phenomenon is only limited to San Francisco and almost certainly blamable on the relatively high density of liberals and homosexuals.

Live in San Francisco, can confirm. Welfare and anal sex everywhere.


It's a liberal paradise. I'm moving there IMMEDIATELY. Do they subsidize astroglide?
 
2013-12-19 02:13:23 PM

Trocadero: BKITU:
For what we pay in rent for this, we could get a $200,000 mortgage with $0 down (so PMI would be rolled into the payment), and still have enough left over to cover the property taxes in most places in the country.

But then you'd be living in one of "those" places.


A house in a decent suburb? I'd find a way to manage.
 
2013-12-19 02:13:37 PM
Do you mean the San Fransisco with a cost of living index of 150 and a housing index of 240 or some other San Fransisco?
 
2013-12-19 02:14:10 PM
farking liberal homosexuals and their free astroglide. This isn't the America I grew up in!
 
2013-12-19 02:15:25 PM
Wait a minute...it almost sounds like you guys are saying that "median income" doesn't mean the exact income for everybody...
 
2013-12-19 02:16:16 PM
15 year old home, 3 bedroom, 2 bath, partially finished basement, uptown, bus stop across the street, fenced in back yard, 5 minute commute, nice neighbors, coffee shop on opposite corner.
Mortgage - $480/mo (20k down payment)

Love living in New Brunswick, Canada.  Really low housing.  Also, Tim Horton's Coffee Shops everywhere...
 
2013-12-19 02:16:16 PM
I was looking at "affordable" first time homebuyer houses in the notoriously expensive town next to ours a few weeks ago. The "affordable" price? $419,000. 15 miles outside of Boston, and it was a 3 bed 1 bath.

I think rich folks have actually forgotten what affordable means.
 
2013-12-19 02:17:59 PM

hardinparamedic: It's a liberal paradise. I'm moving there IMMEDIATELY. Do they subsidize astroglide?


I actually live a block from kink.com's headquarters in the old armory. The highlight of the tour, for me, aside from seeing the occasional set of boobs, is the 40-gallon drum of lube sitting in the hallway, complete with keg-pump.
 
2013-12-19 02:18:24 PM

Molavian: I blame the relatively high density of liberals and homosexuals.


/fistbump
 
2013-12-19 02:18:37 PM
I'll bet Obamacare covers astroglide down there in that Socialist Hellholle, too.
 
2013-12-19 02:19:45 PM

Galvatron Zero: 15 year old home, 3 bedroom, 2 bath, partially finished basement, uptown, bus stop across the street, fenced in back yard, 5 minute commute, nice neighbors, coffee shop on opposite corner.
Mortgage - $480/mo (20k down payment)

Love living in New Brunswick, Canada.  Really low housing.  Also, Tim Horton's Coffee Shops everywhere...


Horton's is for liberals and homosexuals.
 
2013-12-19 02:20:01 PM

Molavian: I blame the relatively high density of liberals and homosexuals.


they do have statistically higher educations than the breeders do and anyone who has been in a gay neighborhood knows they have a much better sense of how to decorate a home.
 
GBB
2013-12-19 02:21:05 PM
That sound like a lot until you realize that this:
images.angelpub.com
is for a loaf of bread ... non-organic, mind you.
 
2013-12-19 02:21:18 PM

Heamer: hardinparamedic: It's a liberal paradise. I'm moving there IMMEDIATELY. Do they subsidize astroglide?

I actually live a block from kink.com's headquarters in the old armory. The highlight of the tour, for me, aside from seeing the occasional set of boobs, is the 40-gallon drum of lube sitting in the hallway, complete with keg-pump.


IT'S LIKE FIRE ISLAND IN JULY!

i4.ytimg.com
 
2013-12-19 02:22:07 PM

BKITU: Trocadero: BKITU:
For what we pay in rent for this, we could get a $200,000 mortgage with $0 down (so PMI would be rolled into the payment), and still have enough left over to cover the property taxes in most places in the country.

But then you'd be living in one of "those" places.

A house in a decent suburb? I'd find a way to manage.


Define "decent"...

/lived in suburb of SB for 10 years and knows the trailer park of which he speaks
 
2013-12-19 02:23:00 PM
sheesh. you could get mansions in GA for what people pay for flats, apts, or condos elsewhere...
 
2013-12-19 02:23:24 PM
thats less than I am paying and twice what I am making o.o
 
2013-12-19 02:25:03 PM
And at $63000/yr, that much rent is 30% of your income.

/why don't the poor just save?
 
2013-12-19 02:26:00 PM

imtheonlylp: sheesh. you could get mansions in GA for what people pay for flats, apts, or condos elsewhere...


Yeah, but then you're in Georgia.
 
2013-12-19 02:26:35 PM
I remember, a few years ago, some woman on Slashdot, who owned a web hosting business in the Bay Area, was biatching about the fact that kids, just out of college, wanted $60,000/yr. With the cost of living, there, I'm not sure that's even subsistence living.
 
2013-12-19 02:27:34 PM

Dadoo: I remember, a few years ago, some woman on Slashdot, who owned a web hosting business in the Bay Area, was biatching about the fact that kids, just out of college, wanted $60,000/yr. With the cost of living, there, I'm not sure that's even subsistence living.


You done been trolled, son.
 
2013-12-19 02:34:48 PM
Did anyone blame the relatively high density of liberals and homosexuals yet?
 
2013-12-19 02:36:09 PM

brimed03: And at $63000/yr, that much rent is 30% of your income.

/why don't the poor just save?


Save what? This is low-income housing in SF. Commuting would cost more than the potential savings from moving outside the city, but all of the surrounding areas are expensive, as well.
 
2013-12-19 02:39:12 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: Dadoo: I remember, a few years ago, some woman on Slashdot, who owned a web hosting business in the Bay Area, was biatching about the fact that kids, just out of college, wanted $60,000/yr. With the cost of living, there, I'm not sure that's even subsistence living.

You done been trolled, son.


Not necessarily.  You get people from out of state who move to Tiburon, paid cash for their house, and have absolutely no farking clue what the real cost of living is for the average person in San Francisco.

A couple of years ago a friend of mine moved here from the East Coast.  I offered him my spare room but he insisted he'd just get a cheap loft in SOMA.  He didn't understand why I almost busted a gut laughing at him.  Then a few days later he took me up on renting my spare room.
 
2013-12-19 02:40:10 PM
It's horrible. Nobody wants to live there.  That's why it's so expensive! The place is a ghost town, just like New York.
 
2013-12-19 02:41:14 PM

OgreMagi: AverageAmericanGuy: Dadoo: I remember, a few years ago, some woman on Slashdot, who owned a web hosting business in the Bay Area, was biatching about the fact that kids, just out of college, wanted $60,000/yr. With the cost of living, there, I'm not sure that's even subsistence living.

You done been trolled, son.

Not necessarily.  You get people from out of state who move to Tiburon, paid cash for their house, and have absolutely no farking clue what the real cost of living is for the average person in San Francisco.

A couple of years ago a friend of mine moved here from the East Coast.  I offered him my spare room but he insisted he'd just get a cheap loft in SOMA.  He didn't understand why I almost busted a gut laughing at him.  Then a few days later he took me up on renting my spare room.


I was referring to a "woman on Slashdot".
 
2013-12-19 02:41:32 PM

lanabanabutt: Define "decent"...


Someplace I can park my car on the street overnight and expect it to have all 4 wheels and its stereo in the morning. Access to public utilities would be nice as well.

$200k will buy a house in many such places. I expect none of them to be in California.

/Love my home state, hate my home state's cost of living.
 
2013-12-19 02:42:08 PM

Pocket Ninja: It's almost like living in San Francisco costs more than living other places. But I'm sure this phenomenon is only limited to San Francisco and almost certainly blamable on the relatively high density of liberals and homosexuals.


How odd.  You'd think having all those liberals and homosexuals around would make a place *less* desirable to live, thus driving down prices.  We'd better send in Shep Smith to do some investigative journalism and really get to the bottom of this mystery.
 
2013-12-19 02:45:30 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: OgreMagi: AverageAmericanGuy: Dadoo: I remember, a few years ago, some woman on Slashdot, who owned a web hosting business in the Bay Area, was biatching about the fact that kids, just out of college, wanted $60,000/yr. With the cost of living, there, I'm not sure that's even subsistence living.

You done been trolled, son.

Not necessarily.  You get people from out of state who move to Tiburon, paid cash for their house, and have absolutely no farking clue what the real cost of living is for the average person in San Francisco.

A couple of years ago a friend of mine moved here from the East Coast.  I offered him my spare room but he insisted he'd just get a cheap loft in SOMA.  He didn't understand why I almost busted a gut laughing at him.  Then a few days later he took me up on renting my spare room.

I was referring to a "woman on Slashdot".


D'oh!  Yeah, he was trolled.
 
2013-12-19 02:45:31 PM

BKITU: lanabanabutt: Define "decent"...

Someplace I can park my car on the street overnight and expect it to have all 4 wheels and its stereo in the morning. Access to public utilities would be nice as well.

$200k will buy a house in many such places. I expect none of them to be in California.

/Love my home state, hate my home state's cost of living.


Yeahhhh that's definitely not the case at said "mobile home village" lol. But if you're looking for nightly alcohol fueled domestic violence situations, meth labs and dozens of people crammed into a single mobile home, have I got the place for you!!
 
2013-12-19 02:47:38 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: farking liberal homosexuals and their free astroglide. This isn't the America I grew up in!


You are so hard to pin down. It's refreshing.
 
2013-12-19 02:50:12 PM

brimed03: And at $63000/yr, that much rent is 30% of your income.

/why don't the poor just save?


Save? Save what? If that's the cost of an affordable rental unit, which btw usually has several YEARS of waitlist, what do you think those who are waiting pay for a market rate rental? Significantly more than that! Which means a higher percentage of their income, which leaves even less left at the end of the month.

Math must be hard for people who have cpas balance their checkbooks.
 
2013-12-19 02:52:49 PM

brimed03: And at $63000/yr, that much rent is 30% of your income.

/why don't the poor just save?


3/10...been done before and better.
 
2013-12-19 02:54:19 PM
making between $42,200 and $63,300, based on a family of four.

For reference, the Area Median Income for San Fransisco for a family of four is $101,200 for 2013. A single person household is making closer to $70,000. Backing into it: assuming that they're spending 30% of their income on housing, a median family of four can afford $2,530.00 in Principal, Taxes & Insurance.
 
2013-12-19 02:58:24 PM

BKITU: lanabanabutt: Define "decent"...

Someplace I can park my car on the street overnight and expect it to have all 4 wheels and its stereo in the morning. Access to public utilities would be nice as well.

$200k will buy a house in many such places. I expect none of them to be in California.

/Love my home state, hate my home state's cost of living.


You suspect wrong. I live in California, recently bought a home for $145k in a safe Suburb 300' from a protected marsh, take public transporation to my job in Berkeley, and somehow manage to find a little time to enjoy... you know... the nice things that California have to offer.

But yeah, lots of crappy areas around my little safe island.
 
2013-12-19 03:00:54 PM

WayneKerr: BKITU: lanabanabutt: Define "decent"...

Someplace I can park my car on the street overnight and expect it to have all 4 wheels and its stereo in the morning. Access to public utilities would be nice as well.

$200k will buy a house in many such places. I expect none of them to be in California.

/Love my home state, hate my home state's cost of living.

You suspect wrong. I live in California, recently bought a home for $145k in a safe Suburb 300' from a protected marsh, take public transporation to my job in Berkeley, and somehow manage to find a little time to enjoy... you know... the nice things that California have to offer.

But yeah, lots of crappy areas around my little safe island.


That's not a protected marsh.  It's a sewage treatment plant, which is why you got the house so cheap.
 
2013-12-19 03:01:50 PM

lanabanabutt: I was looking at "affordable" first time homebuyer houses in the notoriously expensive town next to ours a few weeks ago. The "affordable" price? $419,000. 15 miles outside of Boston, and it was a 3 bed 1 bath.

I think rich folks have actually forgotten what affordable means.


It's like those home-buying shows on tv.  A couple fresh out of college - the man works at a bookstore, and the woman is a part-time barista.  And somehow, their budget is $900K.

/and the place has to be brand new but also has to have "character"
//and be near public transportation even though they both own cars
 
2013-12-19 03:02:47 PM

OgreMagi: That's not a protected marsh. It's a sewage treatment plant, which is why you got the house so cheap.


Yeah, but the fishing is spectacular. They seem to float right up to my net.
 
2013-12-19 03:03:19 PM

lanabanabutt: I was looking at "affordable" first time homebuyer houses in the notoriously expensive town next to ours a few weeks ago. The "affordable" price? $419,000. 15 miles outside of Boston, and it was a 3 bed 1 bath.

I think rich folks have actually forgotten what affordable means.


Here in Hawaii they WILL give that kind of number with a straight face.
/then turn around and say "Remember where the Sears used to be? We're gonna build more megaultramondoluxury condos there. And a Bloomingdales."
 
2013-12-19 03:08:55 PM
I seem to remember back in 2000? 2001? reading a story that the school board was building housing for it's teachers(which made somewhere in this range) because they could no longer afford to live in SF, I also remeber the CTO of a company I used to work for being really happy he had found a house only and hour from downtown for a mear $4000/month +(also around 2000)

Seems like rents in SF went out of hand in the dot com and then never came down.
 
2013-12-19 03:10:32 PM
$711 for a studio, subby. For a big city, that actually is pretty affordable. It's about the lowest you'll find in DC.
 
2013-12-19 03:12:14 PM

hardinparamedic: Heamer: Pocket Ninja: It's almost like living in San Francisco costs more than living other places. But I'm sure this phenomenon is only limited to San Francisco and almost certainly blamable on the relatively high density of liberals and homosexuals.

Live in San Francisco, can confirm. Welfare and anal sex everywhere.

It's a liberal paradise. I'm moving there IMMEDIATELY. Do they subsidize astroglide?


Subsidize?  They replaced all the drinking fountains with it.
 
2013-12-19 03:16:05 PM

albatros183: I seem to remember back in 2000? 2001? reading a story that the school board was building housing for it's teachers(which made somewhere in this range) because they could no longer afford to live in SF, I also remeber the CTO of a company I used to work for being really happy he had found a house only and hour from downtown for a mear $4000/month +(also around 2000)

Seems like rents in SF went out of hand in the dot com and then never came down.


Yep.  It was the .com boom that farked us up.  Kids fresh out of college were getting paid way too much money for some incredibly stupid startups that had no real future.  These kids didn't have the experience to realize their job was doomed (or didn't care).  They wanted to have the coolest apartment and were willing to pay big bucks to get it.  A lot of them even chose to go the condo route, driving up the price to buy property, too.  Imagine a 23 year old living in a million dollar (plus) condo in San Francisco.  Yet when the bubble burst, the prices didn't drop.  Something is not right.

That's why I live way out in the Tri-Valley region (horrid commute) and still pay too much rent.
 
2013-12-19 03:18:02 PM

BKITU: Trocadero: BKITU:
For what we pay in rent for this, we could get a $200,000 mortgage with $0 down (so PMI would be rolled into the payment), and still have enough left over to cover the property taxes in most places in the country.

But then you'd be living in one of "those" places.

A house in a decent suburb? I'd find a way to manage.


Not a decent suburb of San Francisco. I mean, unless you consider the East Bay suburbs of San Francisco.
 
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