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(Fox News)   Let's look at James Madison's writing to learn what he thought of the NSA. *gets out James Madison's writing* Ah, here we go..."I have never heard of the NSA, because it does not exist during the time in which I live." Fascinating   (foxnews.com ) divider line
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2013-12-19 11:41:33 AM  
Come on Subby, as Fox News states, we can look at what the founding fathers did and said, and just extrapolate what they said and massage it to reflect what is happening in modern day society, even if those issues didn't exist back then.

Except if it involves the 2nd Amendment.... then the founding fathers meant for it to cover all guns until the end of time, no matter how different they are from guns in 1776.
 
2013-12-19 11:42:53 AM  
Madison might be surprised by a Negro President.
 
2013-12-19 11:48:00 AM  
My Lord! These metal birds will kill us all!!!
 
2013-12-19 11:48:33 AM  
The founders worked up a Constitution that was amenable knowing time changes things and the country will have different needs as time goes on.

The Regressives can't quite accept this even while worshiping the founders as they see fit.
 
2013-12-19 11:50:24 AM  
Madison would probably collapse and die from shock if you showed him a cell phone.
 
2013-12-19 12:00:24 PM  
This Jon McNaughton Fine Art print I have hanging in my office proves the Founders would weep bitter tears at the current state of the country.

James!: My Lord! These metal birds will kill us all!!!


James!: Madison would probably collapse and die from shock if you showed him a cell phone.


He wasn't a neanderthal.  Give the guy some credit for understanding that technology advances.  I imagine his reaction to those things would be more along the lines of the 18th century equivalent of "Wow, that's really cool!".
 
2013-12-19 12:04:00 PM  

Rev. Skarekroe: This Jon McNaughton Fine Art print I have hanging in my office proves the Founders would weep bitter tears at the current state of the country.

James!: My Lord! These metal birds will kill us all!!!

James!: Madison would probably collapse and die from shock if you showed him a cell phone.

He wasn't a neanderthal.  Give the guy some credit for understanding that technology advances.  I imagine his reaction to those things would be more along the lines of the 18th century equivalent of "Wow, that's really cool!".


Madison was closer in time to the Salem witch trials than to us.
 
2013-12-19 12:09:04 PM  

James!: Madison was closer in time to the Salem witch trials than to us.


So?  He wasn't a torch wielding Puritan peasant.  He was an intelligent, educated man of the enlightenment.  He would have understood human technological achievement as such.
 
2013-12-19 12:10:55 PM  

Rev. Skarekroe: James!: Madison was closer in time to the Salem witch trials than to us.

So?  He wasn't a torch wielding Puritan peasant.  He was an intelligent, educated man of the enlightenment.  He would have understood human technological achievement as such.


Sure, to a point.  But if you take someone who's been shiatting in a bucket his whole life and drop him in times square he's going to flip his wig.  And for the time period that's probably a literal wig flipping.
 
2013-12-19 12:19:14 PM  
James Madison has been dead for nearly 200 years. I really don't understand the point of these kinds of exercises, other than them being intellectually stimulating for people who study such things. The Founders would this, the Founders wouldn't that. Why does it matter so much to some people?
 
2013-12-19 12:19:41 PM  

James!: Sure, to a point. But if you take someone who's been shiatting in a bucket his whole life and drop him in times square he's going to flip his wig. And for the time period that's probably a literal wig flipping.


Well, sure that would be a heavy bit of culture shock.  But handing him an iPad would astonish him, but it probably wouldn't give him a heart attack or anything.
 
2013-12-19 12:27:12 PM  
So Madison is dead.

Does that mean the NSA spying on us is a good or bad thing? What sayest thou Fark?
 
2013-12-19 12:38:53 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: So Madison is dead.

Does that mean the NSA spying on us is a good or bad thing? What sayest thou Fark?


I was told that if you weren't doing anything wrong then you have nothing to hide. I didn't believe it then either
 
2013-12-19 12:42:21 PM  

James!: Madison was closer in time to the Salem witch trials than to us.


Right, because witch hunts couldn't happen in modern America, right?
 
2013-12-19 12:42:22 PM  
Only Judge Scalia can discern the TRUE meaning of the Constitution.
 
2013-12-19 12:44:27 PM  

edmo: The founders worked up a Constitution that was amenable knowing time changes things and the country will have different needs as time goes on.

The Regressives can't quite accept this even while worshiping the founders as they see fit.


==============

Cognitive dissonance.  Common affliction of the batshiat insane.
 
2013-12-19 12:44:45 PM  

vernonFL: Madison might be surprised by a Negro President.


Jefferson: Can I jump in here? Uh, I just want to remind you all that we're talking about the eighteenth century. And yes, most landowners in Virginia had slaves. And yes, it was common for a master to take as his mistress a negro wench ... I think I said the wrong thing.
 
2013-12-19 12:45:06 PM  
Oh, please, do go on. I've been dying to hear the viewpoints on history and constitutional law from the mouth-breathers who got F's in every history class they ever attended.

Who remembers when Tea Party sorts said, "What do I gotta learn this for? Ain't none of this in the RAYL WURLD!"
 
2013-12-19 12:45:52 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: Dancin_In_Anson: So Madison is dead.

Does that mean the NSA spying on us is a good or bad thing? What sayest thou Fark?

I was told that if you weren't doing anything wrong then you have nothing to hide. I didn't believe it then either


I'm of the school that says if I'm doing nothing wrong, then why the hell are you so hell-bent on watching everything I do?
 
2013-12-19 12:46:43 PM  
I'm more partial to Dolly Madison's works.
 
2013-12-19 12:46:55 PM  
Where was all this commentary from Fox News in 2006?
 
2013-12-19 12:48:16 PM  
He was way too busy eating Dolly Madison's Zinger.
 
2013-12-19 12:48:26 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Only Judge Scalia can discern the TRUE meaning of the Constitution.


Which Obama will criticize him for in the State of the Union, and then ignore anyway.
 
2013-12-19 12:48:53 PM  

SirEattonHogg: I'm more partial to Dolly Madison's works.


I like Molly Hatchet better myfelf.
 
2013-12-19 12:50:51 PM  
If the Founding Fathers were alive today, well, they would smell really bad.

But they also would most definitely engage in anal sex and marry each other.
 
2013-12-19 12:50:55 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: So Madison is dead.

Does that mean the NSA spying on us is a good or bad thing? What sayest thou Fark?


I like how you consistently pretend that Fark has been pro-NSA.
 
2013-12-19 12:51:37 PM  
The left continue to defend the NSA, to defend Obama.

Interesting indeed.
 
2013-12-19 12:52:28 PM  
Some other things that didn't exist in Madison's time:

affotd.files.wordpress.com
media.fooducate.com
www.microsoft.com
 
2013-12-19 12:53:41 PM  
What if Napoleon had a B-52 at Waterloo?

hotoffpress.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-12-19 12:54:04 PM  

dittybopper: SirEattonHogg: I'm more partial to Dolly Madison's works.

I like Molly Hatchet better myfelf.



Also enjoys dancing with Molly:

i3.mirror.co.uk
 
2013-12-19 12:54:41 PM  

Nemo's Brother: The left continue to defend the NSA, to defend Obama.

Interesting indeed.


Who's doing that?
Quote someone.
 
2013-12-19 12:55:00 PM  

Rev. Skarekroe: This Jon McNaughton Fine Art print I have hanging in my office proves the Founders would weep bitter tears at the current state of the country.

James!: My Lord! These metal birds will kill us all!!!

James!: Madison would probably collapse and die from shock if you showed him a cell phone.

He wasn't a neanderthal.  Give the guy some credit for understanding that technology advances.  I imagine his reaction to those things would be more along the lines of the 18th century equivalent of "Wow, that's really cool!".


Here's the translation: My word! Such an ingenious feat!
 
2013-12-19 12:55:24 PM  
Yeah! hopefully people will quit quoting people like Einstein or Ghandi too. These guys are from, like, 50 years ago! Why would anything they said have relevance now?
 
2013-12-19 12:56:51 PM  

JustHereForThePics: Where was all this commentary from Fox News in 2006?



Oh they were just fine and dandy with Govt spying when W was in charge, it's only when Obama is running things that this spying is "unconstitutional".

Before you chuckle too hard the same thing will happen in reverse in a few years when a Neo-Con gets elected and is running "Obamacare" and it turns on you.

Never give a power to the party you favor that you wouldn't want the other party to have.
 
2013-12-19 12:57:42 PM  

Nemo's Brother: The left continue to defend the NSA, to defend Obama.

Interesting indeed.


But only in your head, which is a frightfully dull and delusional place.
 
2013-12-19 12:58:15 PM  

give me doughnuts: dittybopper: SirEattonHogg: I'm more partial to Dolly Madison's works.

I like Molly Hatchet better myfelf.


Also enjoys dancing with Molly:

[i3.mirror.co.uk image 615x910]


I said Molly Hatchet, not Miley's hatchet wound.
 
2013-12-19 12:58:31 PM  

jjorsett: Rapmaster2000: Only Judge Scalia can discern the TRUE meaning of the Constitution.

Which Obama will criticize him for in the State of the Union, and then ignore anyway.


You're 80% of the way to a coherent sentence.  Nobody can tell if Obama is ignoring Scalia or the "true meaning."  Also, nobody can recall the time Obama criticized Scalia or an opinion of his in the State of the Union.

Next time, slow down and think through the zinger.
 
2013-12-19 12:59:03 PM  

Rev. Skarekroe: Nemo's Brother: The left continue to defend the NSA, to defend Obama.

Interesting indeed.

Who's doing that?
Quote someone.


You just did. By refusing to denounce Obama as a Kenyan traitor, you are saying that the NSA is really cool, straight marriage is an abomination and Israel doesn't deserve to exist.
 
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2013-12-19 12:59:04 PM  

doubled99: Yeah! hopefully people will quit quoting people like Einstein or Ghandi too. These guys are from, like, 50 years ago! Why would anything they said have relevance now?


And that Buddha guy has been dead for a long time. His words are totally irrelevant.
 
2013-12-19 01:00:51 PM  

Nemo's Brother: The left continue to defend the NSA, to defend Obama.

Interesting indeed.


You continue to reign victorious in the discussions that you imagine in your head. Seriously, we never stand a chance
 
2013-12-19 01:01:46 PM  
give me doughnuts:

dittybopperSirEattonHogg: I'm more partial to Dolly Madison's works.

I like Molly Hatchet better myfelf.


Also enjoys dancing with Molly:



Used to like the Molly as well during the late 90's internet bubble days.

Now a boring married dude.
 
2013-12-19 01:01:46 PM  

Rapmaster2000: jjorsett: Rapmaster2000: Only Judge Scalia can discern the TRUE meaning of the Constitution.

Which Obama will criticize him for in the State of the Union, and then ignore anyway.

You're 80% of the way to a coherent sentence.  Nobody can tell if Obama is ignoring Scalia or the "true meaning."  Also, nobody can recall the time Obama criticized Scalia or an opinion of his in the State of the Union.

Next time, slow down and think through the zinger.


I seem to remember Obama yelling "You lie!" at Scalia as he tried to read that majority decision in States v. Union (rightfully overturning the 13th amendment)
 
2013-12-19 01:01:50 PM  
Of all the FF, Madison seems like the most inclined to support the NSA.  An old man's fear of technology and a history if supporting a strong central government would gel.  He would likely be more concerned with the military's giant size and the militarized police, since he would have a better handle on how that sort of thing works.

But it is all quite speculative.
 
2013-12-19 01:02:05 PM  
You say aghast.  I say agast....
 
2013-12-19 01:02:36 PM  

Rev. Skarekroe: Nemo's Brother: The left continue to defend the NSA, to defend Obama.

Interesting indeed.

Who's doing that?
Quote someone.


James!: My Lord! These metal birds will kill us all!!!


Read between the lines, Libbo.
 
2013-12-19 01:03:21 PM  

jjorsett: Peter von Nostrand: Dancin_In_Anson: So Madison is dead.

Does that mean the NSA spying on us is a good or bad thing? What sayest thou Fark?

I was told that if you weren't doing anything wrong then you have nothing to hide. I didn't believe it then either

I'm of the school that says if I'm doing nothing wrong, then why the hell are you so hell-bent on watching everything I do?


Oddly enough I remember saying those same things and being told otherwise about 10 years ago
 
2013-12-19 01:04:07 PM  

TheBigJerk: Of all the FF, Madison seems like the most inclined to support the NSA.  An old man's fear of technology and a history if supporting a strong central government would gel.  He would likely be more concerned with the military's giant size and the militarized police, since he would have a better handle on how that sort of thing works.

But it is all quite speculative.


I can promise you that Madison wanted to spy on the rest of the Founders to see if they were calling him midget behind his back. He also probably thought Jefferson was banging his slaves but wanted to know for sure.
 
2013-12-19 01:04:59 PM  
Selective outrage on the part of FoxNews? Say it ain't so!
 
2013-12-19 01:06:11 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: jjorsett: Peter von Nostrand: Dancin_In_Anson: So Madison is dead.

Does that mean the NSA spying on us is a good or bad thing? What sayest thou Fark?

I was told that if you weren't doing anything wrong then you have nothing to hide. I didn't believe it then either

I'm of the school that says if I'm doing nothing wrong, then why the hell are you so hell-bent on watching everything I do?

Oddly enough I remember saying those same things and being told otherwise about 10 years ago


He's being intellectually consistent if you assume that being a Muslim or a liberal is doing something wrong.
 
2013-12-19 01:07:08 PM  
These people were the main media cheerleaders for this crap when Bush was in office. Now the feign outrage. Only Fox could do this with a straight face.
 
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