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(Weather Underground)   November was the warmest on record and the 345th month in a row of above average temperatures   (wunderground.com) divider line 291
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2013-12-19 08:22:39 AM
But...but...but it was cold where I was so therefore there's no global warming!
 
2013-12-19 08:45:55 AM

SurfaceTension: But...but...but it was cold where I was so therefore there's no global warming!


Exactly.  Sometimes it snows.  Take that Al Gore!
Also, it's a natural cycle.  Sometimes the sun gets hotter.  The earth is supposed to be much warmer.  It's hubris to think humanity could change the climate.  Climategate invalidates all data.  Etc. etc. etc.
 
2013-12-19 08:55:26 AM
FW:  FW:  FW:  FW: FW: FW:  But it snowed in Cairo!1
 
2013-12-19 09:00:05 AM
My bookie is going to f*cking kill me. COME ON! IT'LL BE COLDER IN DECEMBER, I SWEAR! WE'RE DUE!
 
2013-12-19 09:02:29 AM
Everywhere but where I am apparently.
 
2013-12-19 09:04:40 AM
I broke the dam.
 
2013-12-19 09:06:09 AM
i.imgur.com
 
Ask
2013-12-19 09:06:15 AM
Sloppy record keeping!
 
2013-12-19 09:06:50 AM
In before this guy:
i1326.photobucket.com
 
2013-12-19 09:09:04 AM
8 inches of snow a month early here.  I'm well inland though so bring on the melting ice-caps.  I could use a lakefront upgrade.
 
2013-12-19 09:09:41 AM

Sybarite: Everywhere but where I am apparently.


Yeah. Winter has been pretty bad this year and it hasn't even officially begun. I wish the excess heat would distribute itself a bit more evenly.
 
2013-12-19 09:09:58 AM
But it snowed in Cairo for the first time in 127 years. That has to mean something.
 
2013-12-19 09:10:19 AM
I farted. Sorry guys! No tacos for me in December, I swear. I wouldn't want to mess up anyone's hopes for a white Christmas.
 
2013-12-19 09:11:46 AM

generallyso: [i.imgur.com image 500x341]


That graph is friggin' brilliant! Thanks for sharing :)
 
2013-12-19 09:12:46 AM
Taken from the headline

...when we cherry pick enough information in a attempt to prove our point.

It ahs been 20 degrees below average here for 2 of the last 3 weeks... KMA.
 
2013-12-19 09:14:03 AM
I don't want to jinx it but this December here so far has been great. Last year it was all freezing, now it's been between 5-10c every morning. It's not too bad. Can still go out in a t-shirt. I haven't even had to scrape ice off my car yet. I know it'll get that way in Jan/Feb, but at least winter is one month shorter.
 
2013-12-19 09:14:22 AM

Sybarite: Everywhere but where I am apparently.

And December too, I've been in Fort McMurray for the last two weeks, where temperatures have been solidly near -30C for the whole time. Come to think of it all of western Canada has been very cold the whole time...
 
2013-12-19 09:15:18 AM
Weather != climate
Anecdote != data

And if you'll look at the map, you'll see that the US had a roughly average November - it's the rest of the world that was feeling the heat.

/not that this will make any difference for the trolls.
 
2013-12-19 09:17:01 AM
But- but- but, there are votes to buy! We've got to grow the species! So we can grow business! And grow entitlement programs!
 
2013-12-19 09:17:07 AM
The temps at the end of November were well below normal and just brutal here. But the beginning of November was nice. It all averages out.
 
2013-12-19 09:17:24 AM
Somebody forgot to tell South Dakota. I haven't seen my balls in 2 weeks. It's been so cold around here that it's rumored that the Democrats have actually had their hands in their with own pockets!

//buh-dum tish!
 
2013-12-19 09:17:43 AM
Warmer temperatures doesn't always mean less snow.  Depending on where you are, warmer temperatures may mean more snow.

It snows a lot more at 30F than it does as 10F, because the warmer air holds more moisture.
 
2013-12-19 09:21:00 AM
Forget the "debate."  If true, what is the solution?  How much can we possibly alter the situation without destroying the economy?

I've always found it frustrating that the argument ends with whether or not there is warming... ok, whatever.  If there isn't, fine.  If there is, are we doing it?  If we are doing it how do we stop it?  Carbon taxes?  Really?  that's it?

In all seriousness, without creating false markets and making ALGORE the richest man on the planet, how is this situation dealt with?
 
2013-12-19 09:24:14 AM

phyrkrakr: Weather != climate
Anecdote != data

And if you'll look at the map, you'll see that the US had a roughly average November - it's the rest of the world that was feeling the heat.

/not that this will make any difference for the trolls tards.


FTFY
 
2013-12-19 09:24:29 AM
...and I should add, this point is where the rubber meets the road.   This point is why the entire subject is political.
 
2013-12-19 09:25:22 AM

Random Anonymous Blackmail: Taken from the headline

...when we cherry pick enough information in a attempt to prove our point.

It ahs been 20 degrees below average here for 2 of the last 3 weeks... KMA.


Cherry picking, you mean like using an anecdote to try to disprove a trend?

Check this out.  I make the statement "Most chocolate chip cookies have at least 5 chocolate chips in them".  You find one cookie that has only 4 chips in it, then your conclusion is "No chocolate chip cookies have more than 4 chips in them."
 
2013-12-19 09:26:41 AM
Remember the following tip, kiddies:

One month of warmth = climate

15+ years of lack of warming = just weather
 
2013-12-19 09:27:18 AM

skylabdown: Forget the "debate."  If true, what is the solution?  How much can we possibly alter the situation without destroying the economy?

I've always found it frustrating that the argument ends with whether or not there is warming... ok, whatever.  If there isn't, fine.  If there is, are we doing it?  If we are doing it how do we stop it?  Carbon taxes?  Really?  that's it?

In all seriousness, without creating false markets and making ALGORE the richest man on the planet, how is this situation dealt with?


I honestly think that the solution will present itself over time.  For starters, some of the most fertile soil in the world is frozen right now.  Russia, Canada, and Alaska will have a boom of farming.  Compare the potential of being able to farm on peat moss with what we are currently accomplishing in places like oklahoma and texas and it is easy to see how huge of an impact this will have.

The human race is amazingly durable.  There is usually more damage to quality of life from worrying about problems than there is from the problems themselves.
 
2013-12-19 09:28:17 AM
LOL.  Idiot scientists prove they're idiots once again.  Maybe if they had ever heard of a little something called "seasons", they would know that the Earth is the furthest away from the sun in December, and that it gets cooler during this time.  It didn't get warmer 345 months in a row, and the fact people are debating this seriously shows that I am the only person in this thread who is not trolling.  Lol.
 
2013-12-19 09:28:40 AM

skylabdown: Forget the "debate."  If true, what is the solution?  How much can we possibly alter the situation without destroying the economy?

I've always found it frustrating that the argument ends with whether or not there is warming... ok, whatever.  If there isn't, fine.  If there is, are we doing it?  If we are doing it how do we stop it?  Carbon taxes?  Really?  that's it?

In all seriousness, without creating false markets and making ALGORE the richest man on the planet, how is this situation dealt with?


Yeah... While I'm not in favor of "destroying the economy," maybe that shouldn't be an assumed limiting factor. Just possibly, we should start considering that humans aren't the only ones living on this planet. And maybe, since we caused the problem, we owe it to take one for the team.

/inb4 "cow darts"
 
2013-12-19 09:29:26 AM
Oh noes!!! Give us moar Socialisms now!!

/Shut down everything!!
 
2013-12-19 09:31:11 AM

brimed03: skylabdown: Forget the "debate."  If true, what is the solution?  How much can we possibly alter the situation without destroying the economy?

I've always found it frustrating that the argument ends with whether or not there is warming... ok, whatever.  If there isn't, fine.  If there is, are we doing it?  If we are doing it how do we stop it?  Carbon taxes?  Really?  that's it?

In all seriousness, without creating false markets and making ALGORE the richest man on the planet, how is this situation dealt with?

Yeah... While I'm not in favor of "destroying the economy," maybe that shouldn't be an assumed limiting factor. Just possibly, we should start considering that humans aren't the only ones living on this planet. And maybe, since we caused the problem, we owe it to take one for the team.

/inb4 "cow darts"


Damnyouautocorrect.

Inb4 "cow farts."
 
2013-12-19 09:32:14 AM

plcow: skylabdown: Forget the "debate."  If true, what is the solution?  How much can we possibly alter the situation without destroying the economy?

I've always found it frustrating that the argument ends with whether or not there is warming... ok, whatever.  If there isn't, fine.  If there is, are we doing it?  If we are doing it how do we stop it?  Carbon taxes?  Really?  that's it?

In all seriousness, without creating false markets and making ALGORE the richest man on the planet, how is this situation dealt with?

I honestly think that the solution will present itself over time.  For starters, some of the most fertile soil in the world is frozen right now.  Russia, Canada, and Alaska will have a boom of farming.  Compare the potential of being able to farm on peat moss with what we are currently accomplishing in places like oklahoma and texas and it is easy to see how huge of an impact this will have.

The human race is amazingly durable.  There is usually more damage to quality of life from worrying about problems than there is from the problems themselves.


Wat.

Also: see my comment about humans not being the only ones living on this planet.
 
2013-12-19 09:32:17 AM

plcow: For starters, some of the most fertile soil in the world is frozen right now. Russia, Canada, and Alaska will have a boom of farming.


Got a cite for Russia, Canada and Alaska being "some of the most fertile soil in the world"? I mean, unless you're referring to the Pangea era.
 
2013-12-19 09:32:35 AM

Doc Daneeka: It snows a lot more at 30F than it does as 10F, because the warmer air holds more moisture.


Because the warmer air can hold more moisture, therefore it holds the moisture less and snows more, amirite? And that's why global warming is both the cause of floods AND drought, amirite?

Durrrrrp. You guys are about as sharp as a wet sack of hair. I swear you are the stupidest people on earth, except for the people who go to community colleges.
 
2013-12-19 09:33:36 AM
Um, subby?  Average in what context, exactly?

And do you actually mean 345 Novembers (i.e. 3.5 centuries of the trend) or do you mean something else and you're just illiterate?

That headline was like an oatmeal hurricane of meaninglessness.
 
2013-12-19 09:35:28 AM

brimed03: Damnyouautocorrect.

Inb4 "cow farts."


But...but...I want to know what the Cow Darts are!  Are they just Dodge Darts painted like cows, or maybe like cow-shaped jarts, or are people actually trebuchet-ing cows towards large targets.

DAMN YOU CLIMATE CHANGE! YOU STOLE OUR COW DARTS!!!!
 
2013-12-19 09:35:32 AM

Mike_LowELL: LOL.  Idiot scientists prove they're idiots once again.  Maybe if they had ever heard of a little something called "seasons", they would know that the Earth is the furthest away from the sun in December, and that it gets cooler during this time.  It didn't get warmer 345 months in a row, and the fact people are debating this seriously shows that I am the only person in this thread who is not trolling.  Lol.


We are actually closer in the winter months in the northern hemisphere but are tilted away which results in colder weather.
 
2013-12-19 09:35:35 AM
Oh Noes! We're all not going to die!
 
2013-12-19 09:39:08 AM
Notice that the term "above average" is with respect to the reference datum.

And what range of dates comprise the reference datum? It's whatever the fark the climate "scientists" felt like cherry-picking as the reference datum, that's what.

If you use the Medieval as reference datum, then we've had eleventeen billionty months in a row of brrrrrrrrrrr.

You guys are a farking joke.
 
2013-12-19 09:43:12 AM

plcow: skylabdown: Forget the "debate."  If true, what is the solution?  How much can we possibly alter the situation without destroying the economy?

I've always found it frustrating that the argument ends with whether or not there is warming... ok, whatever.  If there isn't, fine.  If there is, are we doing it?  If we are doing it how do we stop it?  Carbon taxes?  Really?  that's it?

In all seriousness, without creating false markets and making ALGORE the richest man on the planet, how is this situation dealt with?

I honestly think that the solution will present itself over time.  For starters, some of the most fertile soil in the world is frozen right now.  Russia, Canada, and Alaska will have a boom of farming.  Compare the potential of being able to farm on peat moss with what we are currently accomplishing in places like oklahoma and texas and it is easy to see how huge of an impact this will have.

The human race is amazingly durable.  There is usually more damage to quality of life from worrying about problems than there is from the problems themselves.


Permafrost melting is a Very Bad Thing.
 
2013-12-19 09:43:56 AM
sabiansymbols.typepad.com
 
2013-12-19 09:44:20 AM
I've got icicles on my giblets. Coldest November in 20 years here in Montana. For a few days, Great Falls was the coldest place on Earf.
 
2013-12-19 09:44:20 AM
Really wish I lived in one of those warmer than average places. The northeast always has to be the exception to the rule.
 
2013-12-19 09:44:44 AM
The 345th month in a row that was front-run warm to show rise in temperature....

...then to be quietly "corrected" down at some point in the future. And then corrected down again. And then again. Until it blends into the surroundings.

Did you ever wonder how it could be the warmest month ever each month, and yet somehow magically never get warmer in 15-year trend?

It's the biggest trend in temperature data on the planet, the routine downward correction of warm months after the fact.

You climate "scientists" have all the credibility of a used car salesman.
 
2013-12-19 09:45:19 AM
Sorry subby, people just aren't buying what you're selling anymore.
img.fark.net
 
2013-12-19 09:45:23 AM

SevenizGud: Because the warmer air can hold more moisture, therefore it holds the moisture less and snows more, amirite?


...Yes, you mongoloid, that is exactly how farking winter weather works. Any person from Montana, North Dakota, Albany, Maine, Canada, and especially Russia knows the phrase "too cold to snow." That's why Antarctica is the world's biggest farking desert, because it gets so cold that all the moisture freezes out around the edges. Did your parents not cover that in Cletus's Special Brand Homeschool - Now With More Fiber (tm) curriculum?
 
2013-12-19 09:45:25 AM

HAMMERTOE: But- but- but, there are votes to buy! We've got to grow the species! So we can grow business! And grow entitlement programs!


I believe that global warming is real and man-made, but you're confused if you think all of us want to limit it in an effort to grow the species. Your logical leap tying ecological stewardship to a desire for entitlement programs is cute too.

I actually have a little desire for an epic cleansing of humanity, possibly through an influenza outbreak that decimates several million anti-vaxxers and those with weakened immune systems thanks to overuse of antibiotics.

A nation-shaking event like that would possibly motivate people to focus on what's truly important in our fragile existence, rather than simply the endless pursuit of profit maximization.
 
2013-12-19 09:46:52 AM
Wouldn't it be easier in these threads, where all the global warming worshipers coordinated their times, got together, and just jerked each other off? Better than reading never ending repeating threads where all you idiots do is agree with Al Gore, and tell each other you're the chosen few who believe, everyone else is heretical.

...by the way. Global warming. Is bullsh*t, and you're a bunch of f*cking crazies.
 
2013-12-19 09:49:52 AM
scienceblogs.com
 
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