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(The New York Times)   Putin says the loan to the Ukraine was a "good-will gesture." I guess that makes sense, who really wants Chernobyl anyway? Damn monsters everywhere   (nytimes.com) divider line 16
    More: Followup, Vladimir Putin, Chernobyl, Ukraine, good wills, Camp David Accords, civil unrest, loans, current rating  
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2013-12-19 08:56:58 AM
Ukraine has always been Russia's front yard. It is in both their interests to cooperate economically.
 
2013-12-19 08:59:45 AM
 Not a "HAI GUYZ, SORRY WE TRIED TO COWARDLY MURDER YOUR ELECTED LEADER BACK IN THE DAY" gesture.
 
2013-12-19 09:01:29 AM

EyeballKid: Not a "HAI GUYZ, SORRY WE TRIED TO COWARDLY MURDER YOUR ELECTED LEADER BACK IN THE DAY" gesture.


hey, we all do that. It's all water under the bridge, right Iran? Guys? hey guys? Anyone?

/yes yes, we just staged a coup, not actually assassinated anyone
 
2013-12-19 09:01:45 AM

toomuchwhargarbl: Ukraine has always been Russia's front yard. It is in both their interests to cooperate economically.


The Ukraine has been Russia's bread belt and biatch for far too long now.

The Ukraine needs to become an independent entity.

Fark Putin and his mafia state.
 
2013-12-19 09:17:19 AM
quatchi:
The Ukraine has been Russia's bread belt and biatch for far too long now.

The Ukraine needs to become an independent entity.

Fark Putin and his mafia state.


Independent entities still benefit from natural partnerships with their neighbors. Ukraine is the Bread Basket for Russia and provides a geographic security buffer to the edge of the centrual European Plain that Russia views as strategically important, Russia is the Gas supplier for the Ukraine and gives them a good deal. Doesn't mean they have to love each other, look at the U.S. and Saudi Arabia for example.
 
2013-12-19 09:57:27 AM
Dear subby,
It's Ukraine, not the Ukraine.
Unless you're one of those who says "the Iraq."
 
2013-12-19 10:20:30 AM

somedude210: EyeballKid: Not a "HAI GUYZ, SORRY WE TRIED TO COWARDLY MURDER YOUR ELECTED LEADER BACK IN THE DAY" gesture.

hey, we all do that. It's all water under the bridge, right Iran? Guys? hey guys? Anyone?

/yes yes, we just staged a coup, not actually assassinated anyone


Well... we sure tried with Castro.
 
2013-12-19 10:33:59 AM

rillettes: Dear subby,
It's Ukraine, not the Ukraine.
Unless you're one of those who says "the Iraq."


Its the Ukraine because common usage.

Don't go trying to bring consistency to English now. That horse left the barn wandered onto a spaceship and is on its way to Tessa 334.
 
2013-12-19 10:50:18 AM

Ned Stark: rillettes: Dear subby,
It's Ukraine, not the Ukraine.
Unless you're one of those who says "the Iraq."

Its the Ukraine because common usage.

Don't go trying to bring consistency to English now. That horse left the barn wandered onto a spaceship and is on its way to Tessa 334.


I know you're trolling, and that's fine, but if anyone's interested, the reason it's not "the Ukraine" any more is that they became independent 20 years ago and specifically asked everyone to stop using "the Ukraine" because it made them sound like a part of something they were no longer a part of.
 
2013-12-19 11:13:49 AM
Get out of here, Stalker!
 
2013-12-19 11:14:16 AM
Ukraine currently is not much of a "bread basket" currently, their agriculture is severely underdeveloped and the productivity is low.

Ukraine certainly needs to get closer to Europe, but the problem is that in current state Ukraine can't compete with European nations in producing of ANYTHING, and if you can't export anything then you are in deep doodoo.

Europe is not interested in Ukraine actually getting closer to it, and for a good reason. It's a monetary black hole far worse than say Greece.

I have no idea why Putin and Russia even wants Ukraine, but currently and in foreseeable future it's the only market for whatever Ukraine produces; there is no way for Ukraine to redirect their exports towards Europe without major industry overhaul nobody have money for.
 
2013-12-19 11:28:42 AM
Yeah, with all the Bloodsuckers and Controllers and Snorks and Burers....

Such is life in the Zone.
 
2013-12-19 12:08:50 PM
The Ukraine like and such as.

Subby should read more.
 
2013-12-19 12:21:44 PM

MadCat221: Get out of here, Stalker!


Pariah.: Yeah, with all the Bloodsuckers and Controllers and Snorks and Burers....

Such is life in the Zone.


you wanna come with me on a tour of the reactor? Live out S.T.A.L.K.E.R.? You know you'd be absolutely fascinated to see the Red Forest in real life :D

/seriously though, a day trip to Chernobyl would be awesome
 
2013-12-19 05:39:33 PM

Grahor: Europe is not interested in Ukraine actually getting closer to it


toomuchwhargarbl: Russia is the Gas supplier for the Ukraine and gives them a good deal


I enjoyed these the most. Good jorb
 
2013-12-20 05:58:28 PM
Grahor:
Europe is not interested in Ukraine actually getting closer to it, and for a good reason. It's a monetary black hole far worse than say Greece.

You mean the EU, not Europe the continent. Wtf. is that so hard?

Anyways, you're completely and utterly incorrect. Relaxing trade restrictions would give the EU a nice market to sell their products to.

If your claim is that Ukraine can't compete with the EU, then wtf. would the EU care? This is of course not true, I'm sure the EU can use Ukrainian steel and whatever raw materials they have.
 
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