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(AlterNet)   Texas judge allows for warrants based on "prediction of future crime." In other news, being black in Texas is now a predictor of future crime   ( alternet.org) divider line
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2013-12-19 08:17:39 AM  
Well, it's a good indicator, at the very least.

But this all stinks of pre-crime bullshiat from sci-fi.

Better to use that pre-crime stuff to target at-risk youth for afterschool educational and recreational programs to keep them off the streets and away from gangs and drugs.
 
2013-12-19 08:21:06 AM  
Talk about your "Minority" Report.
 
2013-12-19 08:21:08 AM  
First they came for the meth cookers and I said nothing....
 
2013-12-19 08:23:15 AM  
What do the pure, raw stats on that say?
 
2013-12-19 08:24:45 AM  
The decision arose from a 2010 incident where police officers took Michael Fred Wehrenberg and some associates into custody after watching his home for about a month because of a tip-off from a confidential informant that Wehrenberg and others were "fixing to" cook methamphetamine

What new horse shiat is this?
 
2013-12-19 08:24:54 AM  
i293.photobucket.com

Obligatory.

/Was getting a kick out of this thread before it was even posted.
 
2013-12-19 08:26:19 AM  

sniderman: Talk about your "Minority" Report.


+1.
 
GBB
2013-12-19 08:26:45 AM  
Where's the part where they look at current crime stats and then project that onto the current population using the phrase "If you're black, you have a xx% chance of committing <crime>"?
 
2013-12-19 08:27:28 AM  
www.fourwinds10.net

In other news, being black brown in Texas is now a predictor of future crime

/ y'all ain't from around here, are ya TrollMitter ?
 
2013-12-19 08:27:38 AM  
Being black in Texas has always been an indicator of a crime.
 
2013-12-19 08:28:17 AM  
I thought cooking meth was a white person thing, subby.
 
2013-12-19 08:28:17 AM  
Can we give Texas its own tag for predictor of future crazy, or did we just cross threshold right here?
 
2013-12-19 08:28:53 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: The decision arose from a 2010 incident where police officers took Michael Fred Wehrenberg and some associates into custody after watching his home for about a month because of a tip-off from a confidential informant that Wehrenberg and others were "fixing to" cook methamphetamine

What new horse shiat is this?


Texan.
 
2013-12-19 08:29:17 AM  
Philip K. Dick was right about everything.
 
2013-12-19 08:29:42 AM  
I'm betting Fox News will be all over this one.  Ya know, because they love the Constitution so much.
 
2013-12-19 08:30:18 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: The decision arose from a 2010 incident where police officers took Michael Fred Wehrenberg and some associates into custody after watching his home for about a month because of a tip-off from a confidential informant that Wehrenberg and others were "fixing to" cook methamphetamine

What new horse shiat is this?


Horseshiat that gets votes for  "law-n-order" pandering politicians from stupid, old, scared people. The hell with the constitution, all they want is to sit in that comfortable chair for another four years making money for doing squat.
 
2013-12-19 08:30:25 AM  
Whelp, due process is dead in Texas.

Based on this, they can look at the shiat in ANYONE'S home or car and convict them.  All they need is an 'informant'...which can be another police officer.

Jack knife/Kitchen knife?  You were going to stab someone.

Duct Tape?  You were going to kidnap them, THEN stab them.  Or possibly the other way around.

Gun?  even if it's properly licensed?  off to prison, you pre-murderer you.

Condoms?  Have fun in prison, rapist.

Etc, etc, etc.
 
2013-12-19 08:32:38 AM  
Before they seized the boxes of pseudoephedrine, stripped lithium batteries and materials used to make meth, the cops attempted to cover their tracks by obtaining a search warrant.

I don't see any mention in the story regarding whether the person was black, but he was apparently putting a meth lab together.
 
2013-12-19 08:32:39 AM  
This country is getting put in the shiatter by the right wing.  They may actually win.
 
2013-12-19 08:33:20 AM  

the_rev: Before they seized the boxes of pseudoephedrine, stripped lithium batteries and materials used to make meth, the cops attempted to cover their tracks by obtaining a search warrant.

I don't see any mention in the story regarding whether the person was black, but he was apparently putting a meth lab together.


Probably white, actually.
 
2013-12-19 08:33:41 AM  
imageshack.us
 
2013-12-19 08:34:19 AM  

quatchi: [i293.photobucket.com image 650x275]

Obligatory.

/Was getting a kick out of this thread before it was even posted.


I want my minority report about a minority!
 
2013-12-19 08:35:16 AM  

PunGent: Whelp, due process is dead in Texas.

Based on this, they can look at the shiat in ANYONE'S home or car and convict them.  All they need is an 'informant'...which can be another police officer.

Jack knife/Kitchen knife?  You were going to stab someone.

Duct Tape?  You were going to kidnap them, THEN stab them.  Or possibly the other way around.

Gun?  even if it's properly licensed?  off to prison, you pre-murderer you.

Condoms?  Have fun in prison, rapist.


I'm pretty sure no one uses condoms in Texas with the abstinence only education and what not. I mean, have you seen their teen birthrates?
 
2013-12-19 08:35:34 AM  

dr_blasto: I thought cooking meth was a white person thing, subby.


Yep. Meth is for white people who are too poor to get an Adderall prescription.
 
2013-12-19 08:37:13 AM  

doubled99: What do the pure, raw stats on that say?


+100 Stamina
+100 Spirit
- 200 Intellect
 
2013-12-19 08:37:18 AM  
SO Texas has made it official that being a white supremacist (e.g. a Republican) is a requirement for holding a political office with any power in Texas?
 
2013-12-19 08:37:49 AM  
Is this informant available for questioning?
Because otherwise it sounds like the cops made it up after conducting an illegal search.

"That it is better 100 guilty Persons should escape than that one innocent Person should suffer, is a Maxim that has been long and generally approved." Benjamin "Mighty Pimp Hand of the Founders" Franklin
 
2013-12-19 08:38:03 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Well, it's a good indicator, at the very least.

But this all stinks of pre-crime bullshiat from sci-fi.

Better to use that pre-crime stuff to target at-risk youth for afterschool educational and recreational programs to keep them off the streets and away from gangs and drugs.


But how would this increase inventory?
 
2013-12-19 08:39:53 AM  
So, if a couple of guys conspire to murder someone, and the cops find out about it, there's nothing they can do because no crime has been committed yet?
 
2013-12-19 08:40:08 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: This country is getting put in the shiatter by the right wing.  They may actually win.


Baby Boomers are getting old and moving south.  The next 50 years are going to be hell.
 
2013-12-19 08:41:53 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Is this informant available for questioning?


Of course not that would blow his cover. We're just expected to take their word for it.

"That it is better 100 guilty Persons should escape than that one innocent Person should suffer, is a Maxim that has been long and generally approved." Benjamin "Mighty Pimp Hand of the Founders" Franklin

But that won't keep for-profit prisons profitable and really, profit is all the US legal system cares about.
 
2013-12-19 08:43:08 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: This country is getting put in the shiatter by the right wing.  They may actually win have already won.

 
2013-12-19 08:43:34 AM  
Cops can search your car without a warrant based on reasonable suspicion. This sounds like an extension on that. While I don't agree with that sort of tactic, this isn't as shocking and alarming as the headline tries to paint. The judge phrased it in an idiotic way.
 
2013-12-19 08:43:57 AM  
At the bottom of TFA they had a link to a story about some guy who goes around buying signs from homeless people in New York City that was pretty interesting. And at the bottom of that there was a link to a story about some woman who saw her favorite porn star in a bar and got laid by him. So even though reading this FA was a waste of time, I was entertained.

So thanks, subby!
 
2013-12-19 08:44:23 AM  

cubic_spleen: SO Texas has made it official that being a white supremacist (e.g. a Republican) is a requirement for holding a political office with any power in Texas?


Really?  All republicans are white supremacists?  You proud of that?
 
2013-12-19 08:45:37 AM  

Cataholic: So, if a couple of guys conspire to murder someone, and the cops find out about it, there's nothing they can do because no crime has been committed yet?


Um, no.  I'm pretty sure "conspiracy to commit murder" is itself a crime.
 
2013-12-19 08:46:01 AM  
And not only that, it's also OK for any employer to do a credit check on any job candidate and not hire them because reasons.

I got yer rights - right here!
 
2013-12-19 08:46:36 AM  

Cataholic: So, if a couple of guys conspire to murder someone, and the cops find out about it, there's nothing they can do because no crime has been committed yet?


If they have no evidence, no.

They can gather evidence for a conspiracy to commit murder charge. They cannot violate the law to gather that evidence.
 
2013-12-19 08:48:32 AM  

PunGent: Whelp, due process is dead in Texas.

Based on this, they can look at the shiat in ANYONE'S home or car and convict them.  All they need is an 'informant'...which can be another police officer.

Jack knife/Kitchen knife?  You were going to stab someone.

Duct Tape?  You were going to kidnap them, THEN stab them.  Or possibly the other way around.

Gun?  even if it's properly licensed?  off to prison, you pre-murderer you.

Condoms?  Have fun in prison, rapist.

Etc, etc, etc.


I've felt this way for years, since watching "COPS."  They were always pulling all kinds of stuff out of cars and calling it all drug paraphernalia.  Anything can be considered useful for crime, but the majority of people are never going to commit a crime.
 
2013-12-19 08:51:01 AM  
but they have low income taxes and business taxes and little regulations for them and that's really what's most important.
 
2013-12-19 08:51:57 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: This country is getting put in the shiatter by the right wing.  They may actually win.


Um...that would be the left wing fun police...
 
2013-12-19 09:00:34 AM  
I'm confused.  If the informant's tip was sufficient to get a warrant, why not just get the warrant before searching the house? They said they had been watching it for a month, so it's not like they didn't have time to get around to it.
 
2013-12-19 09:00:57 AM  
I'm a little leery...but I have a sneaking suspicion that this won't be taken very far.

What would be REALLY funny is watching this kind of power being used in a left-leaning state against a redneck who was 'fixing to' assassinate the President because he's black...and watch all of the deep south be up in arms over 'abuse of power' by the police.
 
2013-12-19 09:01:42 AM  

fireclown: cubic_spleen: SO Texas has made it official that being a white supremacist (e.g. a Republican) is a requirement for holding a political office with any power in Texas?

Really?  All republicans are white supremacists?  You proud of that?


It's written into the bylaws of the GOP. If you don't hate darkies, you are a RINO.

And I don't have a horse in this race. I am neither Texan, Republican, or a white supremacist.
 
2013-12-19 09:02:54 AM  
Here are the facts of the case, if anyone cares:

A police anti-narcotics unit had been conducting surveillance of a Parker County residence for approximately thirty days when officers received a call from a confidential informant advising them that the occupants were preparing to manufacture methamphetamine that night. Several hours after receiving that call, at approximately 12:30 a.m., officers entered the residence without a search warrant and without consent. Upon entering the residence, the officers encountered several individuals, including appellant, whom they handcuffed and escorted to the front yard. Officers performed a protective sweep of the residence, determined that no methamphetamine was being "cooked" at that time, and then went back outside the residence. Two investigators then prepared the search-warrant affidavit. The affidavit relied only on information provided by the confidential informant and did not mention the officers' warrantless entry into the residence. In relevant part, the affidavit stated that the informant had "provided information detailing narcotics manufacture and trafficking" at appellant's residence and had, within the past 72 hours, "personally observed the suspected parties in possession of certain chemicals with intent to manufacture a controlled substance." The affidavit additionally stated that, according to the confidential informant, the subjects were planning to use the "shake and bake" method of manufacturing methamphetamine, which the affiant described as "fast" and "often utilized to prevent detection of the illicit laboratory by law enforcement personnel."

At 1:50 a.m., approximately one-and-a-half hours after the officers' initial entry into the residence, the magistrate signed the search warrant. Police officers conducted a search of the residence and discovered methamphetamine and implements for manufacturing methamphetamine. Appellant was arrested and charged with  possession of chemicals with intent to manufacture methamphetamine and possession of methamphetamine weighing more than 4 but less than 200 grams.
 
2013-12-19 09:03:25 AM  
Before they seized the boxes of pseudoephedrine, stripped lithium batteries and materials used to make meth, the cops attempted to cover their tracks by obtaining a search warrant. However, they conveniently failed to mention the unlawful search in the warrant application and based their request entirely on the informant's tip.


The cops deliberately attempted to deceive the court by requesting a warrant for a search that had already taken place and that should be good enough reason alone to throw out the warrant.
 
2013-12-19 09:04:06 AM  
I believe this should have got a scary tag.
 
2013-12-19 09:04:18 AM  

Cataholic: So, if a couple of guys conspire to murder someone, and the cops find out about it, there's nothing they can do because no crime has been committed yet?


Probably late, but conspiracy to commit murder is its very own crime, genius.
 
2013-12-19 09:07:47 AM  
Not nearly enough Minority Report comparative comments for this one...

www.cinemablography.org
 
2013-12-19 09:08:23 AM  
Alternet is the WND of the left.
 
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