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2013-12-19 07:59:31 AM
It's Baltimore, so no one actually noticed.
 
2013-12-19 08:13:46 AM
Meh, privatize water delivery. They can buy all the water they need at Walmart or Target.
 
2013-12-19 08:49:04 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: Meh, privatize water delivery. They can buy all the water they need at Walmart or Target.


make sure you deregulate the industry first because clean water is a premium product not fit for the masses.  rich people get water without floaters.  everyone else can deal with the rat turds and bugs.
 
2013-12-19 09:04:54 AM
It is time to ignore the baby boomers and other older white folk who somehow think infrastructure isn't that important. It is the difference between a 1st world country and a 3rd world sh*t hole.
 
2013-12-19 09:42:46 AM
I'm cold just thinking about having to fix that.
 
2013-12-19 09:45:32 AM

Nadie_AZ: It is time to ignore the baby boomers and other older white folk who somehow think infrastructure isn't that important. It is the difference between a 1st world country and a 3rd world sh*t hole.


The simple combination of an aging Infrastructure and anti-vaccination will be a disturbing thing to watch ... and being 32, I get to see the whole thing live
 
2013-12-19 09:51:38 AM
Somebody created a water hammer for all those to fail simultaneously.
 
2013-12-19 09:53:16 AM
I actually sang the headline.

/awesome
 
2013-12-19 09:54:42 AM
I knew without looking that this would be a Baltimore article.

/living there now
//lost count of how many main breaks there have been
///repair workers will be lucky if they're not mugged while down there
 
2013-12-19 09:57:35 AM
Apparently, the problem is bad enough that the Politics tab is leaking onto the main page.
 
2013-12-19 10:01:00 AM

abhorrent1: I actually sang the headline.

/awesome


Likewise. Well done, subby.
 
2013-12-19 10:03:34 AM

Nadie_AZ: It is time to ignore the baby boomers and other older white folk who somehow think infrastructure isn't that important. It is the difference between a 1st world country and a 3rd world sh*t hole.


No kidding.  I work in the water/wastewater industry.  It's crazy at times.  Little town's water department can't account for  1/2 the water hey pump out of the ground (They don't know where it's going or if they've even pumped it, or if it's leaking out), but "can't afford" to fix it because they "need" to spend money on a new park.  operators on 24/7 duty because they won't invest money into making the existing automatic controls work.  Water going out the door untreated because "The town board can't agree on funding the replacement parts for the treatment plant".

I wish I was joking.  I'm not.  It's scary just how bad the water/wastewater infrastructure is in the bulk of the US.

Transportation?  The end result isn't important to anyone.  It's how any job were created and how warm and squishy everyone felt that counts.  Witness all the piss poor 'transit' system implementations in the US today.

Energy?  I don't know how the electric and gas companies do it.  You can't dig up the road, you can't string wires, you can't build substations or power plants, yet demand keep growing.  Politicians keep forcing you into pie-in-the-sky mandates, yet won't allow you to build the base load generation you need.

Privatize?  Maybe - the private water companies I deal with actually DO put a better product out, but are their own headache of dysfunction.  They're generally more efficient and willing to invest, but end up fighting the town 1/2 the time and the other 1/2 the time they're getting crap for raising rates to recover their investment, as a regulated utility is allowed to do. Example?  A town that made one company locate a state-mandated water treatment plant at the edge of the town, away from all the wells feeding it.  End result?  A 2 million dollar project turned into a 12 million dollar one, roads had to be dug up to trench new pipes, etc etc.  Then everyone biatched because their rates jumped 20% the next year.

So, a few water mains broke - bet you they were pushing 70-80 years (or more).  Everyone probably knew they needed replacement, but nobody wanted to fund it...
 
2013-12-19 10:06:32 AM

Gaambit: abhorrent1: I actually sang the headline.

/awesome

Likewise. Well done, subby.


Same here! and I second that! well done!
 
2013-12-19 10:10:13 AM

Quackadam: Gaambit: abhorrent1: I actually sang the headline.

/awesome

Likewise. Well done, subby.

Same here! and I second that! well done!


Bears repeating.  Excellent job, submitter.
 
2013-12-19 10:17:26 AM
It's that time of the year, when hundred-year-old water mains buried too close to the surface have had enough. A little cold, a little contraction and snap!

Now, just think of all the sewer lines that have broken as well, but don't leak so impressively.
 
2013-12-19 10:18:41 AM

Nadie_AZ: It is time to ignore the baby boomers and other older white folk who somehow think infrastructure isn't that important. It is the difference between a 1st world country and a 3rd world sh*t hole.


Oh, and this.

/And can we bring back our public transit and railroads to at least the levels they were at 100 years ago?
 
2013-12-19 10:24:49 AM
Before I left Ohio there was a gas main explosion a few blocks from my house (in Fairport Harbor; I lived in Painesville). Anywho, when the news came out that the line was wood, I think I laughed myself stupid. Made me wonder how many miles of lines are wood or some other degradable material.
 
2013-12-19 10:41:03 AM
CSB:  (From Baltimore)

A few years ago the gas company wanted to replace the gas lines in my neighborhood... They dug up the entire street, everyone's front lawns and wrecked a lot of sidewalks.  It took weeks and was a major headache and inconvenience for myself and my neighbors.  One day while they were in front of my house I went outside to chat with some of the guys working and looked down into the trench.  One of the guys pointed to the old gas line (which they were leaving and abandoning) and said, "That was installed in 1912."

That's all I needed to hear in order to be cool with the entire project.
 
2013-12-19 10:42:57 AM
She's gonna get you for that headline subby...

userserve-ak.last.fm
 
2013-12-19 10:45:49 AM

The Irresponsible Captain: Nadie_AZ: It is time to ignore the baby boomers and other older white folk who somehow think infrastructure isn't that important. It is the difference between a 1st world country and a 3rd world sh*t hole.

Oh, and this.

/And can we bring back our public transit and railroads to at least the levels they were at 100 years ago?


I would happily pay higher taxes for high speed rail, new water lines, new sewer lines, new power lines and new data lines. And by new I mean replaced. Why don't people understand this?

PsychoPhil: Privatize?  Maybe - the private water companies I deal with actually DO put a better product out, but are their own headache of dysfunction.  They're generally more efficient and willing to invest, but end up fighting the town 1/2 the time and the other 1/2 the time they're getting crap for raising rates to recover their investment, as a regulated utility is allowed to do. Example?  A town that made one company locate a state-mandated water treatment plant at the edge of the town, away from all the wells feeding it.  End result?  A 2 million dollar project turned into a 12 million dollar one, roads had to be dug up to trench new pipes, etc etc.  Then everyone biatched because their rates jumped 20% the next year.


Privatization of water, power, etc scares me. Costs go up in the long term and quality of service goes down. At least from some reading I've done (newspapers, books, few other sources here and there). Countries have rioted over this.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-12-19 10:48:20 AM

abhorrent1: I actually sang the headline.

/awesome


Me too. Well done subby, well done indeed.

/fuuuuuuuuuuhk, now i haz an earworm!!!!!
 
2013-12-19 10:49:19 AM
late-entry HOTY candidate?
 
2013-12-19 10:56:38 AM

gja: abhorrent1: I actually sang the headline.

/awesome

Me too. Well done subby, well done indeed.

/fuuuuuuuuuuhk, now i haz an earworm!!!!!


This!
 
2013-12-19 11:03:45 AM

AbiNormal: gja: abhorrent1: I actually sang the headline.

/awesome

Me too. Well done subby, well done indeed.

/fuuuuuuuuuuhk, now i haz an earworm!!!!!

This!


Pilin' on the love for subby, well done.
 
2013-12-19 11:10:53 AM
This thread is now about subby. Fark the article, this is HOTY material.
 
2013-12-19 11:23:12 AM
Replace your hundred-year-old infrastructure.
 
2013-12-19 11:27:59 AM

Nadie_AZ: It is time to ignore the baby boomers and other older white folk who somehow think infrastructure isn't that important. It is the difference between a 1st world country and a 3rd world sh*t hole.


If you think that it is only Boomers, you are being naive.

Lake Powell Water Pipeline - opposed by environmentalist and those opposed to *gasp* growth

Gateway West Transmission Line Project opposed by environmentalist and NIMBYs

Vrooman Road bridge replacement is opposed by Native Americans and NIMBYs

Wastewater Treatment Plant opposed in Newtown by NIMBIYs

This is just the tip of the iceberg without even mentioning anything regarding the Keystone XL Pipeline or fracking.

If you really want to increase the ability of us upgrading our infrastructure, it may be a good time to streamline the permitting and regulations pertaining to these projects.

/good luck with that
 
2013-12-19 12:02:18 PM

HeadLever: This is just the tip of the iceberg without even mentioning anything regarding the Keystone XL Pipeline or fracking.


Which you would mention because....

I agree with you on many NIMBY related issues, but I think you need to learn to differentiate between "I don't wanna pay no taxes for no bridge I don't use none" and "Building this thing is a terrible idea."
 
2013-12-19 12:08:37 PM
Ayup, merely joining the pile, gotta love the subby.
 
2013-12-19 12:15:43 PM

Hickory-smoked: I agree with you on many NIMBY related issues, but I think you need to learn to differentiate between "I don't wanna pay no taxes for no bridge I don't use none" and "Building this thing is a terrible idea."


Why not both?  'Building this thing is a terrible idea because I don't wanna pay no taxes' is something that you hear all the time in these meetings.

to paraphrase George Carlin, "BUILD  MORE INFRASTRUCTURE!!!!but not here and don't make me pay for it"

More to the point, many enviro groups are nothing but a front put up in order to oppose these types of infrastructure projects. Lawyers know the easiest ways for NIMBYs to effectively grind these projects into the gound is to oppose them on environmental grounds using the ESA, CWA, CAA, and other laws/regulations.  The gullible NIMBYs donate money, the lawyers get rich and the infrastructure becomes so expensive and strung out via litigation that it becomes nearly impossible to build.

And then we all wonder why infrastructure is falling down all around us.
 
2013-12-19 12:18:22 PM
What can be worse than not upgrading infrastructure is upgrading infrastructure.
One city recently had four water main breaks at once... when their new water control computer malfunctioned.
 
2013-12-19 12:26:18 PM

Tsar_Bomba1: She's gonna get you for that headline subby...

[userserve-ak.last.fm image 252x378]


photos1.blogger.com

so then I found this...
 
2013-12-19 12:46:59 PM

Kit Fister: late-entry HOTY candidate?


December entries go to 2014 contests.
 
2013-12-19 01:04:13 PM
Thank you, modmins. ; )
 
2013-12-19 06:20:14 PM

vernonFL: Thank you, modmins. ; )


Cheers
 
2013-12-19 09:41:17 PM
Tip of my hat to subby for flawless scansion
 
2013-12-19 10:10:55 PM

HeadLever: Hickory-smoked: I agree with you on many NIMBY related issues, but I think you need to learn to differentiate between "I don't wanna pay no taxes for no bridge I don't use none" and "Building this thing is a terrible idea."

Why not both?  'Building this thing is a terrible idea because I don't wanna pay no taxes' is something that you hear all the time in these meetings.

to paraphrase George Carlin, "BUILD  MORE INFRASTRUCTURE!!!!but not here and don't make me pay for it"

More to the point, many enviro groups are nothing but a front put up in order to oppose these types of infrastructure projects. Lawyers know the easiest ways for NIMBYs to effectively grind these projects into the gound is to oppose them on environmental grounds using the ESA, CWA, CAA, and other laws/regulations.  The gullible NIMBYs donate money, the lawyers get rich and the infrastructure becomes so expensive and strung out via litigation that it becomes nearly impossible to build.

And then we all wonder why infrastructure is falling down all around us.


Except in this case we're talking about pipes and infrastructure that is already in place but suffering from lack of maintenance. So no, we're not wondering.
 
2013-12-19 10:33:13 PM

Hickory-smoked: xcept in this case we're talking about pipes and infrastructure that is already in place but suffering from lack of maintenance.

Or replacement.  In these cases, the issue is not so much environmental, but traffic and service interruptions that brings the NIMBYs out of the woodworks.

 
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