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(Politico)   Bush's fifth year: Two terribly draining wars well underway, national security Big Brother run amok, recession in the making. Obama's fifth year: Two wars ended, national security slowly being reined in, healthcare reform working. Totally the same   (politico.com) divider line 145
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2013-12-19 08:10:48 AM
And at that time, can you comment on how near each man was?
 
2013-12-19 08:10:57 AM
You're forgetting Katrina, Scooter Libby and a SC nominee that his own party turned on him to reject.
 
2013-12-19 08:11:06 AM
DNRTFA, but is this one of those BSAB articles?
 
2013-12-19 08:13:38 AM

Skarekrough: You're forgetting Katrina, Scooter Libby and a SC nominee that his own party turned on him to reject.


there was only so much I could fit into the headline

HMS_Blinkin: DNRTFA, but is this one of those BSAB articles?


pretty much
 
2013-12-19 08:19:51 AM
Can't have the current black man look like he's done a better job than the white man he replaced.
 
2013-12-19 08:19:52 AM
But guys, you are missing the fact that Obama is black.
 
2013-12-19 08:21:42 AM

bluenovaman: But guys, you are missing the fact that Obama is black.


WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAH...   WAIT,.,.. Are You Saying the President is BLA....  you know... one of them?


--Rand Paul
 
2013-12-19 08:23:53 AM
Health care reform working?

Clearly, Subby is on some quality meds.
 
2013-12-19 08:24:31 AM
And it's hard to see from so far up Obama's ass
 
2013-12-19 08:26:03 AM

phenn: Health care reform working?

Clearly, Subby is on some quality meds.


bayoubruce: And it's hard to see from so far up Obama's ass


I was wondering when you guys were gonna show up! Rational discussion is so yesterday!
 
2013-12-19 08:27:58 AM

somedude210: phenn: Health care reform working?

Clearly, Subby is on some quality meds.

bayoubruce: And it's hard to see from so far up Obama's ass

I was wondering when you guys were gonna show up! Rational discussion is so yesterday!


My troll list needed updating anyway :)
 
2013-12-19 08:28:33 AM
Failed painter becomes leader under questionable circumstances gets reincarnated as a failed president by Florida recount who takes up painting? I mean, why wouldn't you-know-who after some rehabilitation in heaven come back as Prescott Bush's grandson? This time around he would only ruin Iraq, the US economy, its governments' ability to have democracy instead of corporatocracy.
 
2013-12-19 08:28:44 AM

Smoking GNU: My troll list needed updating anyway :)


you and me both
 
2013-12-19 08:29:39 AM

phenn: Health care reform working?

Clearly, Subby is on some quality meds.


My Obamacare is working great.

What's wrong with yours?  Is it broken?
 
2013-12-19 08:30:25 AM

somedude210: phenn: Health care reform working?

Clearly, Subby is on some quality meds.

bayoubruce: And it's hard to see from so far up Obama's ass

I was wondering when you guys were gonna show up! Rational discussion is so yesterday!


You want rational discussion? Okay.

Health care reform is not working because the problem was never lack of insurance. The problem is cost of care. Which may go up even further. To tackle the problem of health care in the US, the core issue - cost of care - is what requires addressing. ACA is, IMHO, nothing more than a premium grab.  Dennis Kucinich's model may have been a better notion. What the US has now will solve next to nothing inasmuch as making health care affordable.
 
2013-12-19 08:32:15 AM

phenn: Health care reform working?
Clearly, Subby is on some quality meds.


Which Subby can now get, due to the ACA; thus supporting the thesis.
 
2013-12-19 08:34:49 AM
"National security slowly being reined in"? That's polishing a turd. That's like saying Ike Turner was nice to Tina for getting her an ice pack after smacking her around.
 
2013-12-19 08:34:53 AM
I am infromed by a number of reliable sources that Fartbama has failed resoundingly at every single thing he's ever done in his miserable, craven existence.
 
2013-12-19 08:36:04 AM

Marcus Aurelius: phenn: Health care reform working?

Clearly, Subby is on some quality meds.

My Obamacare is working great.

What's wrong with yours?  Is it broken?


Mine is fundamentally flawed - but I think they are woking on a patch for that.
 
2013-12-19 08:36:34 AM

Pants full of macaroni!!: I am infromed by a number of reliable sources that Fartbama has failed resoundingly at every single thing he's ever done in his miserable, craven existence.


Indeed. Osama is alive and well in Sovngarde (as a target practice dummy).
 
2013-12-19 08:36:36 AM
Bu-bu-bu-bu-Bush.

Wow, your best argument is that he is better than Bush?  Way to set that bar high folks! Hey Look! Our guy is only slightly better than the guy we hate more than anything ever!!! Success!!
 
2013-12-19 08:36:38 AM

phenn: Health care reform is not working because the problem was never lack of insurance. The problem is cost of care. Which may go up even further. To tackle the problem of health care in the US, the core issue - cost of care - is what requires addressing. ACA is, IMHO, nothing more than a premium grab. Dennis Kucinich's model may have been a better notion. What the US has now will solve next to nothing inasmuch as making health care affordable.


Actually, the problem was not enough coverage, pricing went up because the uninsured used the emergency room for normal doctor's visits because they knew they couldn't get turned away. You get more people insured, the more the costs come down since we're all paying into the system. Your idea of the economics of things is a bit backwards, because if we were all paying into the system, then costs would naturally go down, as opposed to the old system where some of us paid into it (and at higher premiums) while some got the treatments they needed but were too poor to afford healthcare, so they passed the burden to the rest of us, driving up prices.

I will accept the notion that you could argue Obamacare is a "failure" regarding getting people to sign up but that has less to do with Obamacare being inherently flawed and more to do with states controlled by the opposing party doing everything in their power to make the process as painful as possible for it's own citizens.
 
2013-12-19 08:38:41 AM

Tricky Chicken: Bu-bu-bu-bu-Bush.

Wow, your best argument is that he is better than Bush?  Way to set that bar high folks! Hey Look! Our guy is only slightly better than the guy we hate more than anything ever!!! Success!!


I'd rather have him be a success than Bush, however small a margin by, then to be worse or the same as Bush. Why do you want that?
 
2013-12-19 08:39:24 AM

Marcus Aurelius: phenn: Health care reform working?

Clearly, Subby is on some quality meds.

My Obamacare is working great.

What's wrong with yours?  Is it broken?


You're using Obamacare as a euphemism for penis here, right?  I'm just trying to follow along.
 
2013-12-19 08:39:35 AM
> To tackle the problem of health care in the US, the core issue - cost of care - is what requires addressing.

And yet...in the real world...we've seen the slowest increase in costs on 50 years after the ACA passed. Its almost like you ignore reality and replace it with blind ideology.
 
2013-12-19 08:39:40 AM

phenn: Health care reform is not working because the problem was never lack of insurance. The problem is cost of care. Which may go up even further. To tackle the problem of health care in the US, the core issue - cost of care - is what requires addressing. ACA is, IMHO, nothing more than a premium grab. Dennis Kucinich's model may have been a better notion. What the US has now will solve next to nothing inasmuch as making health care affordable.


I don't think cost control was the main driver of the Heritage plan that we ended up adpoting.  The main goal was to derail Hillarycare.

You really should contact your Congresscritter and demand single payer.
 
2013-12-19 08:41:18 AM

karnal: Marcus Aurelius: phenn: Health care reform working?

Clearly, Subby is on some quality meds.

My Obamacare is working great.

What's wrong with yours?  Is it broken?

Mine is fundamentally flawed - but I think they are woking on a patch for that.


The best patch is to throw all these bums out and start over with fresh ones.
 
2013-12-19 08:42:05 AM

somedude210: phenn: Health care reform is not working because the problem was never lack of insurance. The problem is cost of care. Which may go up even further. To tackle the problem of health care in the US, the core issue - cost of care - is what requires addressing. ACA is, IMHO, nothing more than a premium grab. Dennis Kucinich's model may have been a better notion. What the US has now will solve next to nothing inasmuch as making health care affordable.

Actually, the problem was not enough coverage, pricing went up because the uninsured used the emergency room for normal doctor's visits because they knew they couldn't get turned away. You get more people insured, the more the costs come down since we're all paying into the system. Your idea of the economics of things is a bit backwards, because if we were all paying into the system, then costs would naturally go down, as opposed to the old system where some of us paid into it (and at higher premiums) while some got the treatments they needed but were too poor to afford healthcare, so they passed the burden to the rest of us, driving up prices.

I will accept the notion that you could argue Obamacare is a "failure" regarding getting people to sign up but that has less to do with Obamacare being inherently flawed and more to do with states controlled by the opposing party doing everything in their power to make the process as painful as possible for it's own citizens.


If the problem was merely the costs of the uninsured being borne by the insured, then why are our per capita costs still so much higher than everyone else's?
 
2013-12-19 08:42:34 AM

phenn: Health care reform working?

Clearly, Subby is on some quality meds.


Just wait until he takes your precious guns.
 
2013-12-19 08:42:53 AM
 
2013-12-19 08:43:14 AM
So the takeaway from this thread is that phenn, Tricky Chicken, and bayoubruce are all the same person.
 
2013-12-19 08:44:14 AM

somedude210: Tricky Chicken: Bu-bu-bu-bu-Bush.

Wow, your best argument is that he is better than Bush?  Way to set that bar high folks! Hey Look! Our guy is only slightly better than the guy we hate more than anything ever!!! Success!!

I'd rather have him be a success than Bush, however small a margin by, then to be worse or the same as Bush. Why do you want that?


I want neither. I want a true statesman, a champion for the people.  I want someone to fight for the environment and workers and minorities. Basically, I want another Nixon!
 
2013-12-19 08:46:27 AM

phenn: somedude210: phenn: Health care reform working?

Clearly, Subby is on some quality meds.

bayoubruce: And it's hard to see from so far up Obama's ass

I was wondering when you guys were gonna show up! Rational discussion is so yesterday!

You want rational discussion? Okay.

Health care reform is not working because the problem was never lack of insurance. The problem is cost of care. Which may go up even further. To tackle the problem of health care in the US, the core issue - cost of care - is what requires addressing. ACA is, IMHO, nothing more than a premium grab.  Dennis Kucinich's model may have been a better notion. What the US has now will solve next to nothing inasmuch as making health care affordable.


CSB: the cost of health insurance for my wife and I will be the same next year as it was this year (not even a penny increase), just as was the case the previous year. However, since we now no longer have to pay a co-pay for birth control, we are now saving $480 a year.

It's a total cost of care nightmare for us. Please keep us in your thoughts and prayers.
 
2013-12-19 08:46:57 AM

Marcus Aurelius: karnal: Marcus Aurelius: phenn: Health care reform working?

Clearly, Subby is on some quality meds.

My Obamacare is working great.

What's wrong with yours?  Is it broken?

Mine is fundamentally flawed - but I think they are woking on a patch for that.

The best patch is to throw all these bums out and start over with fresh ones.


I could be on board with that.  Forcibly throw them out?  yeah - I could definitely be on board.
 
2013-12-19 08:51:09 AM

Tricky Chicken: I want neither. I want a true statesman, a champion for the people. I want someone to fight for the environment and workers and minorities. Basically, I want another Nixon!


then encourage Warren to run
 
2013-12-19 08:53:10 AM

DeArmondVI: phenn: somedude210: phenn: Health care reform working?

Clearly, Subby is on some quality meds.

bayoubruce: And it's hard to see from so far up Obama's ass

I was wondering when you guys were gonna show up! Rational discussion is so yesterday!

You want rational discussion? Okay.

Health care reform is not working because the problem was never lack of insurance. The problem is cost of care. Which may go up even further. To tackle the problem of health care in the US, the core issue - cost of care - is what requires addressing. ACA is, IMHO, nothing more than a premium grab.  Dennis Kucinich's model may have been a better notion. What the US has now will solve next to nothing inasmuch as making health care affordable.

CSB: the cost of health insurance for my wife and I will be the same next year as it was this year (not even a penny increase), just as was the case the previous year. However, since we now no longer have to pay a co-pay for birth control, we are now saving $480 a year.

It's a total cost of care nightmare for us. Please keep us in your thoughts and prayers.


My insurance premiums went up 20% this year due to Obamacare. They went up 20% 5 years ago too, also because of Obamacare. They went up 10% a decade ago. Clearly because of Obamacare.
 
2013-12-19 08:55:12 AM

PC LOAD LETTER: DeArmondVI: phenn: somedude210: phenn: Health care reform working?

Clearly, Subby is on some quality meds.

bayoubruce: And it's hard to see from so far up Obama's ass

I was wondering when you guys were gonna show up! Rational discussion is so yesterday!

You want rational discussion? Okay.

Health care reform is not working because the problem was never lack of insurance. The problem is cost of care. Which may go up even further. To tackle the problem of health care in the US, the core issue - cost of care - is what requires addressing. ACA is, IMHO, nothing more than a premium grab.  Dennis Kucinich's model may have been a better notion. What the US has now will solve next to nothing inasmuch as making health care affordable.

CSB: the cost of health insurance for my wife and I will be the same next year as it was this year (not even a penny increase), just as was the case the previous year. However, since we now no longer have to pay a co-pay for birth control, we are now saving $480 a year.

It's a total cost of care nightmare for us. Please keep us in your thoughts and prayers.

My insurance premiums went up 20% this year due to Obamacare. They went up 20% 5 years ago too, also because of Obamacare. They went up 10% a decade ago. Clearly because of Obamacare.


Obamacare knocked up my prom date!
 
2013-12-19 08:55:17 AM

cubic_spleen: So the takeaway from this thread is that phenn, Tricky Chicken, and bayoubruce are all the same person.


Yes, I'm in it for the loooong game.  A decade ago, I predicted that Barak Obama would become president, so I maintained my alts for a decade before using them.  Curses foiled again!
 
2013-12-19 09:00:58 AM
"0bamacare" is INSURANCE REFORM. That is all. It is not health care reform. It is not anything. It is not anything except insurance reform. That is all.
 
2013-12-19 09:01:06 AM

Tricky Chicken: cubic_spleen: So the takeaway from this thread is that phenn, Tricky Chicken, and bayoubruce are all the same person.

Yes, I'm in it for the loooong game.  A decade ago, I predicted that Barak Obama would become president, so I maintained my alts for a decade before using them.  Curses foiled again!


Liberal logic is an oxymoron
 
2013-12-19 09:03:34 AM

DeArmondVI: phenn: somedude210: phenn: Health care reform working?

Clearly, Subby is on some quality meds.

bayoubruce: And it's hard to see from so far up Obama's ass

I was wondering when you guys were gonna show up! Rational discussion is so yesterday!

You want rational discussion? Okay.

Health care reform is not working because the problem was never lack of insurance. The problem is cost of care. Which may go up even further. To tackle the problem of health care in the US, the core issue - cost of care - is what requires addressing. ACA is, IMHO, nothing more than a premium grab.  Dennis Kucinich's model may have been a better notion. What the US has now will solve next to nothing inasmuch as making health care affordable.

CSB: the cost of health insurance for my wife and I will be the same next year as it was this year (not even a penny increase), just as was the case the previous year. However, since we now no longer have to pay a co-pay for birth control, we are now saving $480 a year.

It's a total cost of care nightmare for us. Please keep us in your thoughts and prayers.


WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO PAY FOR YOUR NOT BABIES
 
2013-12-19 09:08:38 AM
somedude210:I will accept the notion that you could argue Obamacare is a "failure" regarding getting people to sign up but that has less to do with Obamacare being inherently flawed and more to do with states controlled by the opposing party doing everything in their power to make the process as painful as possible for it's own citizens.

Unfortunately for your argument we have real world examples of both states that embraced Obamacare and states that resisted it -and Obamacare is a miserable failure in both examples.  Just ask the forty five people in Oregon who are happily enrolled.  Or, look at Minnesota, Maryland or Hawaii who have all shiatcanned their Obamacare Czars two months into the disaster.

/The longer you deny the reality of this catastrophic failure, the harder the reckoning will be
 
2013-12-19 09:12:06 AM

CPennypacker: WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO PAY FOR YOUR NOT BABIES


So that you don't have to pay for his actual babies, which cost a lot more for a lot longer.

If you want to know why should have to pay for his actual babies, it's because spreading risk (of all kinds) is a core function of the society you have elected to remain in.
 
2013-12-19 09:12:14 AM

Kevin72: "0bamacare" is INSURANCE REFORM. That is all. It is not health care reform. It is not anything. It is not anything except insurance reform. That is all.


Thanks for clearing that up.....I was under the opinion that Obamacare was just a series of lies.  I think what confused me was all the talk of costs going down, that we could keep our current coverage, that there is supposed to be more access to health care.
The clincher for me was the fact that our 'trusted' representatives passed a law from which they are exempt. When did that become acceptable?
 
2013-12-19 09:12:47 AM
Obama's fifth year: Two wars ended...

Uh, Afghanistan isn't over yet.

//unless subby meant Libya?
 
2013-12-19 09:12:58 AM

somedude210: Tricky Chicken: I want neither. I want a true statesman, a champion for the people. I want someone to fight for the environment and workers and minorities. Basically, I want another Nixon!

then encourage Warren to run


I could vote for her. She does have more to recommend her than most of the field. And I too have dubious family claims of Native American ancestry that cannot be verified. And that seems to be the major personal attack some could throw at her. I could see her getting my vote over just about every potential Republican out there.

If there is a Clinton or a Bush on either ticket, I will automatically vote for the other party.
 
2013-12-19 09:13:31 AM
Ahh, Subby's understanding of economics is dwarfed only by his knowledge of history.  Is "recession in the making" the prosperous period between recessions?  Because I like those.  I think Clinton had those two.
 
2013-12-19 09:18:21 AM
Based on the last Republican Convention, I'd forgotten that Bush II was ever president.

That Clint Eastwood/empty chair thing was spot-on, though.
 
2013-12-19 09:20:57 AM

Il Douchey: Unfortunately for your argument we have real world examples of both states that embraced Obamacare and states that resisted it -and Obamacare is a miserable failure in both examples. Just ask the forty five people in Oregon who are happily enrolled. Or, look at Minnesota, Maryland or Hawaii who have all shiatcanned their Obamacare Czars two months into the disaster.


Kentucky begs to differ, and Oregon's problems are more related to Oracle's failure.
 
2013-12-19 09:24:18 AM
You don't need to tell lies to make Obama seem better than Bush subby.
 
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