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(Slate)   "We lie to our daughter and tell her Bilbo is a girl." Wait...Bilbo isn't a girl?   (slate.com ) divider line
    More: Fail, Bilbo Baggins, Geena Davis, minor characters, Victor Hugo, matter-of-facts  
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2013-12-19 08:11:28 AM  
i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-12-19 08:16:15 AM  
Ummm, Kim kardashian is in fact a girl
 
2013-12-19 08:17:16 AM  
As if the whiny tone of the article weren't enough, she completely lost me when she dissed Richard Scarry.

/Busy Busy World and Lowly the Worm FTW.
 
2013-12-19 08:21:07 AM  
Bilbo, it turns out, makes a terrific heroine. She's tough, resourceful, humble, funny, and uses her wits to make off with a spectacular piece of jewelry. Perhaps most importantly, she never makes an issue of her gender-and neither does anyone else.


If it doesn't matter whether the main character is a boy or girl, why make a big deal over whether the character is a boy or girl?
 
2013-12-19 08:27:58 AM  
Bilbo, Bimbo, whatever.
 
2013-12-19 08:33:39 AM  
If lions can smell menstruation I'm pretty sure that dragons can...
 
2013-12-19 08:33:42 AM  
Did this parent ever stop to figure why their daughter thought Bilbo was a girl?

Could it be because the way Bilbo is introduced, he prefers doing all the stereotypically "girl stuff" like cook, tend his roses and keep a tidy house, and is not at all interrested in "boy stuff" - going on adventures and slaying dragons?
 
2013-12-19 08:34:45 AM  
This thread is bilbos.
 
2013-12-19 08:35:39 AM  
Hey Michelle, if you're going to rant about how there's not enough strong female leads in childrens books...as a writer why don't you just step up to the plate and farking fix it yourself yah daft coont.

Just another variant of...
www.quickmeme.com

and worse because she's using her daughter as an excuse.
 
2013-12-19 08:36:42 AM  
Better yet, respect the work as it is and write your own stories.
 
2013-12-19 08:36:58 AM  

Cybernetic: As if the whiny tone of the article weren't enough, she completely lost me when she dissed Richard Scarry.

/Busy Busy World and Lowly the Worm FTW.


F-that cars and trucks and things that go, and hells no you didn't flip the page till you found goldbug.
 
2013-12-19 08:40:15 AM  
Can't be a girl, he didn't have an extensive shoe collection.
 
2013-12-19 08:40:48 AM  
Five years old and already a feminist?
 
2013-12-19 08:41:07 AM  

BumpInTheNight: Hey Michelle, if you're going to rant about how there's not enough strong female leads in childrens books...as a writer why don't you just step up to the plate and farking fix it yourself yah daft coont.

Just another variant of...
[www.quickmeme.com image 400x600]

and worse because she's using her daughter as an excuse.


Womyn, it is womYn....
 
2013-12-19 08:43:08 AM  
I saw a movie version that had Bilbo as a woman. Not sure if it was really appropriate for children, though. Come to think of it, I think they slightly altered Blibo's name.
 
2013-12-19 08:47:03 AM  
Off to the hospital. I just broke my nose with a particularly vigorous facepalm.
 
2013-12-19 08:48:59 AM  
And Bilbo rode astride a white Santa to save white Jesus or something...
 
2013-12-19 08:55:53 AM  

cabbyman: If lions can smell menstruation I'm pretty sure that dragons can...


Win
 
2013-12-19 09:04:02 AM  
This works for me better too:

www.culture24.org.uk

One million years BC (Before Christina).
 
2013-12-19 09:04:59 AM  

Ishkur: uses her wits to make off with a spectacular piece of jewelry.


That's a particularly sexist argument.
 
2013-12-19 09:12:55 AM  

cabbyman: If lions can smell menstruation I'm pretty sure that dragons can...


Ya hear that, Thorin: dragons. Now the whole station's at risk.
 
2013-12-19 09:14:50 AM  
That's OK. I lie to my son and tell him that the My Little Ponies are boys.
 
2013-12-19 09:18:19 AM  

BumpInTheNight: Hey Michelle, if you're going to rant about how there's not enough strong female leads in childrens books...as a writer why don't you just step up to the plate and farking fix it yourself yah daft coont.

Just another variant of...
[www.quickmeme.com image 400x600]

and worse because she's using her daughter as an excuse.


I love how this image of the typical Occupy member has become synonymous with idiocy.  Fitting.
 
2013-12-19 09:21:30 AM  
upload.wikimedia.org
Inconsolable
 
2013-12-19 09:34:48 AM  
I tell my kids the Hamburglar is a black fellow.
 
2013-12-19 09:43:36 AM  

Ishkur: Bilbo, it turns out, makes a terrific heroine. She's tough, resourceful, humble, funny, and uses her wits to make off with a spectacular piece of jewelry. Perhaps most importantly, she never makes an issue of her gender-and neither does anyone else.


If it doesn't matter whether the main character is a boy or girl, why make a big deal over whether the character is a boy or girl?


Because that studio in Williamsburg isn't going to pay for itself.

It's still not as bad as the idiot at Salon who didn't like the fact that a white guy saved the day in 12 Years a Slave.
 
2013-12-19 10:09:52 AM  

baconbeard: That's OK. I lie to my son and tell him that the My Little Ponies are boys.


eeeeyyyuuppp...
img.fark.net
 
2013-12-19 10:11:26 AM  
Anything else she feels like altering to suit her snowflakes whim?
 
2013-12-19 10:12:17 AM  
ohmygodwhothehellcares.jpg
 
2013-12-19 10:17:15 AM  
Lady, here's a bit of writer's advice for you: If the book you want to read doesn't exist, WRITE IT.
 
2013-12-19 10:22:33 AM  
Geena Davis' Institute on Gender in Media found that for every female character in recent family films, there are three male characters.

3:1 ratio..like.. the protagonist couple who get to bang at the end (1:1), their idiot male sidekick (2:1) and the evil villain (3:1)?
Easily fixed - just add a female bumbling idiot sidekick and replace the evil villain's army with baby-killing henchwomen who will later get slaughtered and maimed by the dozen to the applause of the audience.
TA-DA! Everybody happy.

/bonus: the pile of future bodies compromising the army of outright evil slaughtered henchwomen will also help with the "Crowd scenes, on average, are only 17 percent female."  problem.
 
2013-12-19 10:23:25 AM  
Really good teaching moment about the "Burger King" perception some people have with life... and how it just dont fly well..
 
2013-12-19 10:43:38 AM  
Does his mean that Bilbo waxes "her" feet?
 
2013-12-19 10:58:23 AM  
A 2011 study of almost 6,000 children's books published between 1900 and 2000 showed that only 31 percent had female central characters.

Wait, why go all the way back to 1900 (totally different society) and why did you stop at 2000?

While the disparity has declined in recent years,

Oh, no longer supports your thesis, I see. Carry on
 
2013-12-19 11:03:01 AM  

Cybernetic: As if the whiny tone of the article weren't enough, she completely lost me when she dissed Richard Scarry.

/Busy Busy World and Lowly the Worm FTW.


Slate has sucked for years, its whiney, anti-male writing style has been turning readers off for a decade.
 
2013-12-19 11:08:45 AM  
Men, stop procreating with these women.  You are the problem.
 
2013-12-19 11:12:45 AM  
There's nothing wrong with telling your 5-year old daughter that Bilbo is a girl; in fact, in the world of parenting, it's utterly and completely unremarkable to do things like this.

Writing about it on the Internet as if it was a Truly Remarkable Thing, is, however, the height of self-absorbed navel-gazing.
 
2013-12-19 11:16:03 AM  

steamingpile: Cybernetic: As if the whiny tone of the article weren't enough, she completely lost me when she dissed Richard Scarry.

/Busy Busy World and Lowly the Worm FTW.

Slate has sucked for years, its whiney, anti-male writing style has been turning readers off for a decade.


This.
 
2013-12-19 11:30:54 AM  

Zmog: Did this parent ever stop to figure why their daughter thought Bilbo was a girl?

Could it be because the way Bilbo is introduced, he prefers doing all the stereotypically "girl stuff" like cook, tend his roses and keep a tidy house, and is not at all interrested in "boy stuff" - going on adventures and slaying dragons?


The Duck Dynasty guy would hate him.
 
2013-12-19 11:39:37 AM  
Bilbo Baggins is no more a girl than you or I, or anyone else on FARK.
 
2013-12-19 11:39:39 AM  
See? This is what happens when you give 'em shoes, let 'em outta the kitchen and allow them to learn to read.
 
2013-12-19 11:45:17 AM  
Really?  We're all so liberal and open that we're fine with changing Santa's portrayal.  But as soon as someone tries to change Bilbo in some inconsequential way, we're just frothing with reactionary nerd range.

Get a grip, folks. It's a story.  Heck, as far as I'm concerned, Dori, Kili, Fili, Kili, and Gimli can all be girls too.
 
2013-12-19 11:55:53 AM  

The Larch: Really?  We're all so liberal and open that we're fine with changing Santa's portrayal.  But as soon as someone tries to change Bilbo in some inconsequential way, we're just frothing with reactionary nerd range.

Get a grip, folks. It's a story.  Heck, as far as I'm concerned, Dori, Kili, Fili, Kili, and Gimli can all be girls too.


That's fine, as long as you don't object if I tell my kids that Katniss Everdeen and Hermione Granger are actually boys.
 
2013-12-19 11:57:35 AM  
Yet I know several other Heroines from other genres that can kick any man's ass.

Ripley
Samus
Zelda (OoT, Wind Waker, Twilight Princess and Skyward Sword)
Lara Croft (Original and retelling)
Alice
Jill Valentine
Claire Redfield
Tifa Lockheart

So many others
 
2013-12-19 12:01:08 PM  

baconbeard: That's fine, as long as you don't object if I tell my kids that Katniss Everdeen and Hermione Granger are actually boys.


Oh no!  That will not do!  I am very upset by this idea, and it is necessary for me to tell people on the internet that it upsets me.
 
2013-12-19 12:13:23 PM  
Oh Slate, are you ever NOT awful?
 
2013-12-19 12:23:49 PM  
UNAUTHORIZED FINGER

Bilbo Baggins is no more a girl than you or I, or anyone else on FARK.


Are you saying Bilbo is an FBI agent?
Hm, that puts him repeatedly insisting that he isn't a burglar into a different kind of light.
He was probably just covering his ass against an entrapment defense while building his case against the dwarf gang.
Which probably means that Gandalf - who introduced Bilbo to the dwarves and vouched for him - is a gang member turned police informant. No wonder he is call "the Gray".
 
2013-12-19 12:24:20 PM  
Is she a white hobbit?
 
2013-12-19 12:27:21 PM  

baconbeard: The Larch: Really?  We're all so liberal and open that we're fine with changing Santa's portrayal.  But as soon as someone tries to change Bilbo in some inconsequential way, we're just frothing with reactionary nerd range.

Get a grip, folks. It's a story.  Heck, as far as I'm concerned, Dori, Kili, Fili, Kili, and Gimli can all be girls too.

That's fine, as long as you don't object if I tell my kids that Katniss Everdeen and Hermione Granger are actually boys.


Well you'll have some explaining to do when Hermione hooks up with Ron, but go for it.
 
2013-12-19 12:36:19 PM  
Looks at the Mo Willems books nearby... OMFG GERALD & PIGGIE, AND THE PIGEON...

PATRIARCHY!!!
 
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