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(Wimp)   Still tuning your guitar by hand? That's so 20th century   (wimp.com) divider line 42
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2013-12-19 08:45:06 AM  
R2DTune?
 
2013-12-19 09:16:08 AM  
I wonder if tuning them so fast back and forth affects the life of the strings?
 
2013-12-19 09:24:18 AM  

ModernPrimitive01: I wonder if tuning them so fast back and forth affects the life of the strings?


it looks fast, but gear ratios and all that...
 
2013-12-19 09:35:27 AM  
It's fast and easy enough using a little Snark on the headstock. Was guitar tuning every that hard or unendurable that something like this is needed? Though I only play an acoustic so maybe with electrics its more burdensome.

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2013-12-19 10:05:00 AM  
looks like the exclusive agreement they signed with Gibson back in 2007 finally expired.
 
2013-12-19 10:14:45 AM  
As an engineer and guitarist, I've been wondering why someone hasn't come up with this idea already.  I've been to too many concerts where very famous and talented performers (usually acoustic) are strumming away during an awesome piece and have one or two strings start going a little flat.  I figured it would be easy to throw a microprocessor and a motor on the tuners so the instrument could stay tuned on the fly.
 
2013-12-19 10:56:23 AM  
That thing is frickin' neat-o. If not a little lazy/silly.

Marshall Willenholly: I figured it would be easy to throw a microprocessor and a motor on the tuners so the instrument could stay tuned on the fly


Not so sure it would be able to work while you were actively playing though. THAT would be bad ass and actually useful.
 
2013-12-19 11:51:23 AM  
He's gonna make a brazilian dollars
 
2013-12-19 12:01:02 PM  

Perlin Noise: That thing is frickin' neat-o. If not a little lazy/silly.

Marshall Willenholly: I figured it would be easy to throw a microprocessor and a motor on the tuners so the instrument could stay tuned on the fly

Not so sure it would be able to work while you were actively playing though. THAT would be bad ass and actually useful.


This.

I sell those at the music store I work at and the string has to be open-plucked. Also, it takes a few seconds, so way too long to do between two notes.
 
2013-12-19 12:03:43 PM  
for 300 bucks? no thanks
 
2013-12-19 12:06:06 PM  
In an ideal world more kids would be into playing musical instruments and the term Auto-Tune would be universally recognized as this device.
 
2013-12-19 01:00:50 PM  

stonelotus: looks like the exclusive agreement they signed with Gibson back in 2007 finally expired.


This. Gibson has had these as optional upgrades on their standard models for years now. They called them Min-ETune.
 
2013-12-19 01:09:38 PM  

rudemix: It's fast and easy enough using a little Snark on the headstock. Was guitar tuning every that hard or unendurable that something like this is needed? Though I only play an acoustic so maybe with electrics its more burdensome.


you're right it's not really that hard, but on stage in between songs it could be really useful

as it is you almost always need at least some kind of tuner, doing it by ear is likely to get you out of tune with the other players and is annoying for the audience, with a digital tuner you can turn down the output and fix the string fast
 
2013-12-19 01:18:17 PM  

rudemix: It's fast and easy enough using a little Snark on the headstock. Was guitar tuning every that hard or unendurable that something like this is needed? Though I only play an acoustic so maybe with electrics its more burdensome.


Guess it depends on how much you play in alternate tunings. I could see it being useful to (as shown in the video) switch quickly between multiple tunings. Not my favorite thing to do by hand.

If you only ever play in standard, you probably don't need this.
 
2013-12-19 01:18:25 PM  
This isn't for novice farker guitar players. This isn't for dudes who are in man cave bands with their IT buddies. This is for players who use multiple tunings and don't want to carry 5 guitars with them to every gig or spend time tuning from drop C tuning to an open G tuning on stage. It makes sense and is worth it. Btw, Sonny Landreth had the Neil Skinn's TransPerformance system on a Les Paul for years before it became the Gibson robotic tuner. That was way back in the 20th century.
 
2013-12-19 01:24:34 PM  

Perlin Noise: Marshall Willenholly: I figured it would be easy to throw a microprocessor and a motor on the tuners so the instrument could stay tuned on the fly

Not so sure it would be able to work while you were actively playing though. THAT would be bad ass and actually useful.


Pretty easy. You just put a narrow bandpass filter on the string, followed by an integrator (slow averaging results). You're looking for a slow drift near the base wavelength; all the other frequencies are just noise from strumming, harmonics, and other strings' actions.

Now that i think of it, an FM demodulator to pinpoint the moving base frequency would be ideal.
 
2013-12-19 01:29:31 PM  

Marshall Willenholly: I figured it would be easy to throw a microprocessor and a motor on the tuners so the instrument could stay tuned on the fly.


Not sure, but piezoelectrics might be a better use of space than motors. If they can effect enough tightening...via leverage, for instance. They're INCREDIBLY stiff, but don't move much. (Maybe current piezo stacks move more, dunno.)
 
2013-12-19 02:01:18 PM  
I'd prefer having a half dozen pretuned guitars in the wings with a roadie/lackey to ferry them out according to the set list.

Also, a bowl of M&Ms in the green room with all of the red ones removed.
 
2013-12-19 02:30:00 PM  

Broom: . You just put a narrow bandpass filter on the string, followed by an integrator (slow averaging results). You're looking for a slow drift near the base wavelength; all the other frequencies are just noise from strumming, harmonics, and other strings' actions.

Now that i think of it, an FM demodulator to pinpoint the moving base frequency would be ideal.


damn dude ...your mystical techno words indicate you certainly know a lot more about that than me :)

/I don't know squat about that stuff...
 
2013-12-19 03:48:57 PM  

Marshall Willenholly: As an engineer and guitarist, I've been wondering why someone hasn't come up with this idea already.  I've been to too many concerts where very famous and talented performers (usually acoustic) are strumming away during an awesome piece and have one or two strings start going a little flat.  I figured it would be easy to throw a microprocessor and a motor on the tuners so the instrument could stay tuned on the fly.


any pro musician worthy of the ticket price should be able to tune on the fly no problem. you know that. don't make me come over there.
 
2013-12-19 03:49:08 PM  
Or you can get an Antares electronic autotune on a Peavey guitar that has no moving parts and corrects the pitch of all the notes played.  Not sure how it deals with bending notes.

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/PVAT200Bk/
 
2013-12-19 04:10:03 PM  

thesubliminalman: Or you can get an Antares electronic autotune on a Peavey guitar that has no moving parts and corrects the pitch of all the notes played.  Not sure how it deals with bending notes.

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/PVAT200Bk/


how about my acoustic?
 
2013-12-19 04:31:01 PM  

asciibaron: thesubliminalman: Or you

how about my acoustic?


Won't work on an acoustic without a pickup but it seems kinda neat and at $499 including a guitar it's not priced too bad, see the demo videos in the last link.
 
2013-12-19 04:31:35 PM  
Artist's representation of the tuner after using it on my banjo:

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Tuner...IS...dead.
 
2013-12-19 04:33:48 PM  
For those that may not know... That guy is Andy Williams of Every Time I Die, one of my favorite bands... he and his beard are all that is man.

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Incoming hipster comments...
 
2013-12-19 05:27:08 PM  
I broke my high e trying to tune sharp earlier this afternoon, so I'm something something... I don't have another set of strings handy so now I can't play :(

*pluck* *twist* *pop*...fark

I needed new strings as of like 3 weeks ago anyways, but I get tired of going to the music store constantly. One of these days I'm going to have to buy a huge box of the damn things. Or find a good set of coated strings and buy a slightly smaller box. I tried one set out, but they didn't sound as bright as the ones I'm used to. Was nice having a set not go dead in under a week though.

If I could actually play with any discernable talent and played gigs I'd have to change them every day I think.
 
2013-12-19 07:16:56 PM  

Eddie Ate Dynamite: I broke my high e trying to tune sharp earlier this afternoon, so I'm something something... I don't have another set of strings handy so now I can't play :(

*pluck* *twist* *pop*...fark

I needed new strings as of like 3 weeks ago anyways, but I get tired of going to the music store constantly. One of these days I'm going to have to buy a huge box of the damn things. Or find a good set of coated strings and buy a slightly smaller box. I tried one set out, but they didn't sound as bright as the ones I'm used to. Was nice having a set not go dead in under a week though.

If I could actually play with any discernable talent and played gigs I'd have to change them every day I think.


D'addario EXPs are coated but sound good and aren't as slippery as the Elixirs. I like em a lot.
 
2013-12-19 07:31:04 PM  

Cake Hunter: D'addario EXPs


Nice. I didn't even realize D'Addario made coated strings because I guess the local store doesn't carry them. I've always just gotten their exl110's. I'll have to make a trip to GC or order online or something. Thanks for the tip. This is seriously the best news I've had all day.
 
2013-12-19 08:13:29 PM  

thesubliminalman: Or you can get an Antares electronic autotune on a Peavey guitar that has no moving parts and corrects the pitch of all the notes played.  Not sure how it deals with bending notes.

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/PVAT200Bk/


All snark aside, that's actually pretty farking neat.
 
2013-12-19 09:05:33 PM  
This thread reminds me I need to get some locking tuning pegs.
 
2013-12-19 09:36:52 PM  

Eddie Ate Dynamite: Cake Hunter: D'addario EXPs

Nice. I didn't even realize D'Addario made coated strings because I guess the local store doesn't carry them. I've always just gotten their exl110's. I'll have to make a trip to GC or order online or something. Thanks for the tip. This is seriously the best news I've had all day.


good luck! They came on the last acoustic I bought. They weren't my usual brand, but I ended up switching. Not sure if they make electric strings, though. I still use my boomers for that.
 
2013-12-19 10:20:55 PM  
EverTune bridge. It doesn't tune the strings for you, but it does keep them in tune no matter what. All mechanical, no electronics.

cdn.mos.musicradar.com
 
2013-12-19 10:32:07 PM  
When I was a kid, we had to tune all of the strings, uphill, both ways.

AND WE LIKED IT.
 
2013-12-19 11:05:07 PM  
be kinda tough for Adrian to use:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=gd4uVwxsSHk
 
2013-12-19 11:07:14 PM  

AshCampbell: For those that may not know... That guy is Andy Williams of Every Time I Die, one of my favorite bands... he and his beard are all that is man.

[img.fark.net image 429x500]

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Incoming hipster comments...


Well he's got lots of tatts and a beard.  He's got the trendy thing down, he must be good.  Is he all about the PBR or is he a Schlitz man?
 
2013-12-19 11:13:31 PM  

Eddie Ate Dynamite: I broke my high e trying to tune sharp earlier this afternoon, so I'm something something... I don't have another set of strings handy so now I can't play :(

*pluck* *twist* *pop*...fark

I needed new strings as of like 3 weeks ago anyways, but I get tired of going to the music store constantly. One of these days I'm going to have to buy a huge box of the damn things. Or find a good set of coated strings and buy a slightly smaller box. I tried one set out, but they didn't sound as bright as the ones I'm used to. Was nice having a set not go dead in under a week though.

If I could actually play with any discernable talent and played gigs I'd have to change them every day I think.


You may know this already, but sometimes it helps to be reminded..

Wash your hands before you play; get all that grease and dirt off
Wipe the strings down after you play.

Dunlop makes this thing you can run over your strings to clean them; then you wipe it down.  It's like $4, so may be worth getting if it really helps extend string life.  I've been using it but I don't practice too often.. maybe an hour a day so I can't tell if it really works.

YMMV
 
2013-12-20 02:30:47 AM  

rudemix: It's fast and easy enough using a little Snark on the headstock. Was guitar tuning every that hard or unendurable that something like this is needed? Though I only play an acoustic so maybe with electrics its more burdensome.

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I feel like this could be useful during a concert. Especially if that thing can handle alternative tunings.
 
2013-12-20 03:22:26 AM  
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I still have one of these. I use a Snark now, after running through a lot of more expensive tuners.
Snarks are wonderful and inexpensive. Great gifts for your friends.
Don't play anything but standard tuning so the robo-tuner is not for me.
Elixer strings from Amazon for under $14 a set (if you buy 3 packs shipping is free).
 
2013-12-20 03:57:07 AM  
clip-on vibration tuners are great
 
2013-12-20 10:05:36 AM  
Some day they will home out with a hands free flute tuner.
 
2013-12-20 10:58:40 AM  

BenJammin: Some day they will home out with a hands free flute tuner.


You're joking right?  Cause you can change the pitch of flute by rolling it out or in while playing.

//floutist for 25 years
 
2013-12-20 12:33:22 PM  

Marshall Willenholly: BenJammin: Some day they will home out with a hands free flute tuner.

You're joking right?  Cause you can change the pitch of flute by rolling it out or in while playing.

//floutist for 25 years


Partly for my desire to not be explicit and partly for your being a floutist for 25 years you may, have not considered the various euphemisms and slang language invoking "flute."  ;-)
 
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