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(ESPN)   New York Yankees hit with $28 million luxury tax bill, in addition to the $28 million 'tax of luxury' they'll pay to have Alex Rodriguez sit on the bench   (espn.go.com) divider line 43
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2013-12-19 08:05:14 AM
Not after they rule against him after the new year. I am going to celebrate that day like it was f*cking Christmas/Four of July/and a promotion all rolled into one.
 
2013-12-19 08:22:31 AM

WTF Indeed: Not after they rule against him after the new year. I am going to celebrate that day like it was f*cking Christmas/Four of July/and a promotion all rolled into one.


here here!

cant wait!
 
2013-12-19 08:47:22 AM

WTF Indeed: Not after they rule against him after the new year. I am going to celebrate that day like it was f*cking Christmas/Four of July/and a promotion all rolled into one.


As a fan of baseball I hope you are right.  However as a redsox fan a small part of me wants them to get stuck with the dirtbag.
 
2013-12-19 08:49:31 AM

WTF Indeed: Not after they rule against him after the new year. I am going to celebrate that day like it was f*cking Christmas/Four of July/and a promotion all rolled into one.


I wouldn't get your hopes up:

1) Rich people always get their money.
2) Even an after-steroids A-Rod on decline is better at 3rd base than the current clusterfark there right now.
 
2013-12-19 08:50:44 AM

WTF Indeed: Not after they rule against him after the new year. I am going to celebrate that day like it was f*cking Christmas/Four of July/and a promotion all rolled into one.


I hope A-Rod wins. Every other guy is juicing, why single out A-Rod?

Yes, he is a douche, but the hypocrisy of steroid use in MLB is pathetic.
 
2013-12-19 08:51:31 AM
Hopefully they land on free parking on their next turn.
 
2013-12-19 09:05:54 AM

BowtoMogul: Hopefully they land on free parking on their next turn.


Ugh you are one of THOSE Monopoly players that uses Free Parking as a method to collecting the Chance/Community Chest payments?
 
2013-12-19 09:08:32 AM

Wettner: BowtoMogul: Hopefully they land on free parking on their next turn.

Ugh you are one of THOSE Monopoly players that uses Free Parking as a method to collecting the Chance/Community Chest payments?


Ugh, you are one of THOSE sticks-in-the-mud that doesn't.
 
2013-12-19 09:09:37 AM

WTF Indeed: Not after they rule against him after the new year. I am going to celebrate that day like it was f*cking Christmas/Four of July/and a promotion all rolled into one.


Arod's a jerkoff but MLB farked that whole thing big time and that suspension is very likely being reduced
 
2013-12-19 09:15:06 AM

The Bestest: Wettner: BowtoMogul: Hopefully they land on free parking on their next turn.

Ugh you are one of THOSE Monopoly players that uses Free Parking as a method to collecting the Chance/Community Chest payments?

Ugh, you are one of THOSE sticks-in-the-mud that doesn't.


Cool people make Free Parking worth $500.
 
2013-12-19 09:22:54 AM

The Bestest: Wettner: BowtoMogul: Hopefully they land on free parking on their next turn.

Ugh you are one of THOSE Monopoly players that uses Free Parking as a method to collecting the Chance/Community Chest payments?

Ugh, you are one of THOSE sticks-in-the-mud that doesn't.


We play according to the rules of the game. Which is why I don't support A-Rod in this situation.
 
2013-12-19 09:40:02 AM

Wettner: The Bestest: Wettner: BowtoMogul: Hopefully they land on free parking on their next turn.

Ugh you are one of THOSE Monopoly players that uses Free Parking as a method to collecting the Chance/Community Chest payments?

Ugh, you are one of THOSE sticks-in-the-mud that doesn't.

We play according to the rules of the game. Which is why I don't support A-Rod in this situation.


Well according to the rules A-Rod should probably just have gotten a 50-100 game suspension like everybody else, but in this case they decided he needs to roll triples to get out of jail.
 
2013-12-19 09:46:30 AM
Know whats funny is the other day some BoSox fan was busy bashing Arod talking about how he would never get in the hall of fame, but Big Papi would. Seems he forgot the whole 2003 Steroid scandal that Big Papi was tested positive.
 I think if we are going to ban Arod, we need to ban the rest of the jackasses who swept it under the rug, then again it helped the fact that mitchell did not name any bosox players, its common knowledge Ramirez and Ortiz both admitted use during the 2003 season.

One gets away with it, while the other has to fight MLB, they should of put a stop to this shiat back in 2003 not today.
 
2013-12-19 09:49:02 AM

elguerodiablo: The Bestest: Wettner: BowtoMogul: Hopefully they land on free parking on their next turn.

Ugh you are one of THOSE Monopoly players that uses Free Parking as a method to collecting the Chance/Community Chest payments?

Ugh, you are one of THOSE sticks-in-the-mud that doesn't.

Cool people make Free Parking worth $500.


Only to start the game.

Once FP is hit first, the future FP pots then becomes whatever has been collected between hits in tax/fees/dues/etc from the change/community chest
 
2013-12-19 10:07:18 AM

Wettner: The Bestest: Wettner: BowtoMogul: Hopefully they land on free parking on their next turn.

Ugh you are one of THOSE Monopoly players that uses Free Parking as a method to collecting the Chance/Community Chest payments?

Ugh, you are one of THOSE sticks-in-the-mud that doesn't.

We play according to the rules of the game. Which is why I don't support A-Rod in this situation.


So we should ban every player that's ever used steroids? Good bye to 90% of major leaguers the past 40 years


Misconduc: Know whats funny is the other day some BoSox fan was busy bashing Arod talking about how he would never get in the hall of fame, but Big Papi would. Seems he forgot the whole 2003 Steroid scandal that Big Papi was tested positive.
 I think if we are going to ban Arod, we need to ban the rest of the jackasses who swept it under the rug, then again it helped the fact that mitchell did not name any bosox players, its common knowledge Ramirez and Ortiz both admitted use during the 2003 season.

One gets away with it, while the other has to fight MLB, they should of put a stop to this shiat back in 2003 not today.


Most bandwagon BoSox fans believe Ortiz never tested positive and his test was triggered by "vitamins" (which is total bullshiat since vitamins won't make you test positive for steroids). They are dumbfarks.
 
2013-12-19 10:08:46 AM

Misconduc: Know whats funny is the other day some BoSox fan was busy bashing Arod talking about how he would never get in the hall of fame, but Big Papi would. Seems he forgot the whole 2003 Steroid scandal that Big Papi was tested positive.
 I think if we are going to ban Arod, we need to ban the rest of the jackasses who swept it under the rug, then again it helped the fact that mitchell did not name any bosox players, its common knowledge Ramirez and Ortiz both admitted use during the 2003 season.

One gets away with it, while the other has to fight MLB, they should of put a stop to this shiat back in 2003 not today.


The important thing is you can be mad at the Red Sox.  Somehow.
 
2013-12-19 10:24:09 AM

Freakin Rican: WTF Indeed: Not after they rule against him after the new year. I am going to celebrate that day like it was f*cking Christmas/Four of July/and a promotion all rolled into one.

here here!

cant wait!


This.

On the Side: WTF Indeed: Not after they rule against him after the new year. I am going to celebrate that day like it was f*cking Christmas/Four of July/and a promotion all rolled into one.

As a fan of baseball I hope you are right.  However as a redsox fan a small part of me wants them to get stuck with the dirtbag.


IIRC he'd have two more years on his contract after 2014; by then it could be eaten up since the Yanks won't care.
 
2013-12-19 10:25:55 AM

machoprogrammer: WTF Indeed: Not after they rule against him after the new year. I am going to celebrate that day like it was f*cking Christmas/Four of July/and a promotion all rolled into one.

I hope A-Rod wins. Every other guy is juicing, why single out A-Rod?

Yes, he is a douche, but the hypocrisy of steroid use in MLB is pathetic.


Oh here we farkin' go white knighting A-fraud.  it's one thing when one uses the juice, it's another when you do everything in your power (read: see Lance Armstrong) to deny that you use it AND/OR conceal a conspiracy surrounding your use of same.
 
2013-12-19 10:33:56 AM

Rwa2play: machoprogrammer: WTF Indeed: Not after they rule against him after the new year. I am going to celebrate that day like it was f*cking Christmas/Four of July/and a promotion all rolled into one.

I hope A-Rod wins. Every other guy is juicing, why single out A-Rod?

Yes, he is a douche, but the hypocrisy of steroid use in MLB is pathetic.

Oh here we farkin' go white knighting A-fraud.  it's one thing when one uses the juice, it's another when you do everything in your power (read: see Lance Armstrong) to deny that you use it AND/OR conceal a conspiracy surrounding your use of same.


They all deny they use it until they get caught, and even then a lot still deny it. Hell, Ortiz still is looking for the real juicer.
 
2013-12-19 10:43:15 AM
if a-rod gets suspended and doesn't get paid, do they have to readjust the luxury tax for the yankees?

/didn't read the article
 
2013-12-19 10:59:30 AM

LemSkroob: elguerodiablo: The Bestest: Wettner: BowtoMogul: Hopefully they land on free parking on their next turn.

Ugh you are one of THOSE Monopoly players that uses Free Parking as a method to collecting the Chance/Community Chest payments?

Ugh, you are one of THOSE sticks-in-the-mud that doesn't.

Cool people make Free Parking worth $500.

Only to start the game.

Once FP is hit first, the future FP pots then becomes whatever has been collected between hits in tax/fees/dues/etc from the change/community chest


So much this. Then you can use other people's tax dollars to build on your properties. Just like real life
 
2013-12-19 11:03:00 AM

animesucks: if a-rod gets suspended and doesn't get paid, do they have to readjust the luxury tax for the yankees?  /didn't read the article


There's a lot of weirdness involving suspended players, and I think the Yankees and MLB have different opinions on that question.

For one thing, the luxury tax is calculated on each contract's average annual value, inclusive of any bonuses/etc., not necessarily any player's salary during that year.  So if A-Rod draws $1 from the Yankees' payroll somehow, he might count as "on their payroll", and they might get stuck with paying luxury tax on his $27.5M average annual value for his current (2008-2017) contract.

As an example, A-Rod's contract includes "$10M signing bonus ($2M paid upon approval, $1M paid each Jan. 15, 2009-2013, $3M paid Jan. 15, 2014)".  It would seem like the Yankees would have to make that $3M payment even if he's suspended, since it's for signing on and not for playing.  Is he now part of the Yankees "team" for 2014?  Does he count for $3M?  $27.5M?  Some other number because his suspension reduces the value of his contract by $30M+?  That's all up to the lawyers.

And yes, he's on contract through 2017.
 
2013-12-19 11:10:48 AM
It's such a great idea to sign players for well over $20 million per year until they are in their 40s!  Sooner or later, everybody is going to be doing it.
 
2013-12-19 11:28:39 AM

NetOwl: It's such a great idea to sign players for well over $20 million per year until they are in their 40s!  Sooner or later, everybody is going to be doing it.


Like Seattle.
 
2013-12-19 11:41:35 AM

mainstreet62: NetOwl: It's such a great idea to sign players for well over $20 million per year until they are in their 40s!  Sooner or later, everybody is going to be doing it.

Like Seattle.




Or LAA
 
2013-12-19 12:31:45 PM

machoprogrammer: Wettner: The Bestest: Wettner: BowtoMogul: Hopefully they land on free parking on their next turn.

Ugh you are one of THOSE Monopoly players that uses Free Parking as a method to collecting the Chance/Community Chest payments?

Ugh, you are one of THOSE sticks-in-the-mud that doesn't.

We play according to the rules of the game. Which is why I don't support A-Rod in this situation.

So we should ban every player that's ever used steroids? Good bye to 90% of major leaguers the past 40 years



Personally, I don't have any problems with doping if everyone is allowed to do it. But to gain an unfair advantage over someone using an illegal substance is...well unfair to those trying to play the game honestly within the rules...and there are a few of them not doping (Halladay is an example).

Let's just make doping legal and increase the size of the parks. Everyone likes HRs.

/Except me I prefer pitching duels.
 
2013-12-19 01:21:10 PM

Wettner: machoprogrammer: Wettner: The Bestest: Wettner: BowtoMogul: Hopefully they land on free parking on their next turn.

Ugh you are one of THOSE Monopoly players that uses Free Parking as a method to collecting the Chance/Community Chest payments?

Ugh, you are one of THOSE sticks-in-the-mud that doesn't.

We play according to the rules of the game. Which is why I don't support A-Rod in this situation.

So we should ban every player that's ever used steroids? Good bye to 90% of major leaguers the past 40 years


Personally, I don't have any problems with doping if everyone is allowed to do it. But to gain an unfair advantage over someone using an illegal substance is...well unfair to those trying to play the game honestly within the rules...and there are a few of them not doping (Halladay is an example).

Let's just make doping legal and increase the size of the parks. Everyone likes HRs.

/Except me I prefer pitching duels.


How do you know Halladay was not doping? I mean, I don't suspect him over anyone, but there is no way to know for sure who is/was clean and who isn't. Drug tests are pathetically easy to beat (ask the Biogenesis guys) and as long as the incentive is there, people will do it.

I say make steroids legal and let them juice. They do it anyway
 
2013-12-19 04:00:50 PM
Mid_mo_mad_man: Or LAA

That's Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, or LAAA, thank you very much.

The Angels traded away Mark Trumbo for two bags of magic beans, and yesterday they signed Raul Ibanez, a 41-year old who had poorer hitting stats than Trumbo in 2013 and is considered such a liability in the field that the Angels have already said he's the DH. The middle of their lineup is now Poo-holes, Hamilton and Ibanez, plus they've not added the top line starting pitching help they need. A 90-100 loss season is a possibility. The two pluses of that:

1. It'll finally get the fat tub of goo ex-Dodger Scioscia fired, six years after he should have been (after the 2008 playoffs)
2. The attendance will plummet, causing major financial headaches for that idiot Arte Moreno
/Torii Hunter and Kendrys Morales are laughing at the Angels
 
2013-12-19 04:16:46 PM

Henry Holland: Mid_mo_mad_man: Or LAA

That's Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, or LAAA, thank you very much.

The Angels traded away Mark Trumbo for two bags of magic beans, and yesterday they signed Raul Ibanez, a 41-year old who had poorer hitting stats than Trumbo in 2013 and is considered such a liability in the field that the Angels have already said he's the DH. The middle of their lineup is now Poo-holes, Hamilton and Ibanez, plus they've not added the top line starting pitching help they need. A 90-100 loss season is a possibility. The two pluses of that:

1. It'll finally get the fat tub of goo ex-Dodger Scioscia fired, six years after he should have been (after the 2008 playoffs)
2. The attendance will plummet, causing major financial headaches for that idiot Arte Moreno
/Torii Hunter and Kendrys Morales are laughing at the
Angels




Your correct. I left off an A
 
2013-12-19 04:51:49 PM

Henry Holland: Raul Ibanez, a 41-year old who had poorer hitting stats than Trumbo in 2013


How so?

Ibanez had a higher average, OBP and SLG. He walked more often, had a higher ISO, and when you put it all together, had a higher wOBA and wRC+.

Trumbo did two things better than Ibanez: he hit 5 more HRs (in 180 extra PA, so not really) and struck out slightly less (which I don't even care about, but I assume you do).

Every other difference involves things like Runs & RBIs, but surely you can see that playing 35 games more in a lineup with Trout & Pujols is going to result in more of those than playing in one with Seager and Morales.
 
2013-12-19 05:04:20 PM
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2013-12-19 05:19:34 PM

Henry Holland: The Angels traded away Mark Trumbo for two bags of magic beans, and yesterday they signed Raul Ibanez, a 41-year old who had poorer hitting stats than Trumbo in 2013


In addition to what DeWayne Mann posted above, Ibanez posted his numbers in Safeco.  While no one will confuse the Angels' home park with a hitter's paradise, it's not Safeco.

Road stats for both, as an illustration:
Ibanez, 2013: .271/.326/.491
Trumbo, 2013: .230/.284/.429

Now, Trumbo is by far the more desirable player, but that's because Ibanez is a truly awful outfielder who is 14 years older than Trumbo.  (Granted, Ibanez is known as a conditioning nut, so he's a "young 42".)  Not because of their 2013 hitting lines, where Ibanez was significantly better.
 
2013-12-19 05:26:04 PM
The team with the highest payroll in MLB finished fourth in their division. Let's blame A-Rod for farting in the elevator full of fail.
 
2013-12-19 05:40:48 PM

Henry Holland: That's Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, or LAAA, thank you very much.


This is Real America, and we speak Real American here.  They're "The The Angels Angels of Anaheim".
 
2013-12-19 05:57:50 PM

red5ish: The team with the highest payroll in MLB finished fourth in their division. Let's blame A-Rod for farting in the elevator full of fail.


He was a major contributor (possibly even the biggest, don't have the hard numbers) to the "most money paid to the DL in a year by a team" record the Yankees shattered this year. He is absolutely deserving of blame.
 
2013-12-19 06:13:42 PM

The Bestest: red5ish: The team with the highest payroll in MLB finished fourth in their division. Let's blame A-Rod for farting in the elevator full of fail.

He was a major contributor (possibly even the biggest, don't have the hard numbers) to the "most money paid to the DL in a year by a team" record the Yankees shattered this year. He is absolutely deserving of blame.


Sure he's a major money drain. He is $28MM of the total $237MM payroll. Since he only played in 44 games I'd say the team's other $209MM worth of players under performed. Or the front office made a mistake by signing A-Rod to such a long term high paying contract. Hell, there's plenty of blame to go around.
 
2013-12-19 06:13:44 PM

Rwa2play: machoprogrammer: WTF Indeed: Not after they rule against him after the new year. I am going to celebrate that day like it was f*cking Christmas/Four of July/and a promotion all rolled into one.

I hope A-Rod wins. Every other guy is juicing, why single out A-Rod?

Yes, he is a douche, but the hypocrisy of steroid use in MLB is pathetic.

Oh here we farkin' go white knighting A-fraud.  it's one thing when one uses the juice, it's another when you do everything in your power (read: see Lance Armstrong) to deny that you use it AND/OR conceal a conspiracy surrounding your use of same.


This is a dead horse, and I'm possibly being trolled.  But what the hell?  Once more into the breach:  It is yet another thing when the body seeking to sanction the juicer abuses legal process to obtain evidence and then levies a punishment several times larger than the punishment prescribed in the collective bargaining agreement.

A-Rod is undoubtedly human slime.  But Selig's Moby-Dickery with regards to the A-Rod case seems pretty clearly to be motivated by personal antipathy.  I wonder why, say, Ryan Braun didn't offend the commish in the same way and was easily able to negotiate a settlement.
 
2013-12-19 06:24:06 PM

red5ish: Sure he's a major money drain. He is $28MM of the total $237MM payroll. Since he only played in 44 games I'd say the team's other $209MM worth of players under performed. Or the front office made a mistake by signing A-Rod to such a long term high paying contract. Hell, there's plenty of blame to go around.


$70M more of that was -also- on the DL most of this year. In addition to DL dollars paid, the Yankees approached (not sure if broke) another record for number of different players on the roster before September.

For most of the year, the Yankees' roster-on-the-field actually -overperformed-. They were in first, or within spitting distance with a roster made up of Charleston Riverdogs and "wait, he's still alive?".
 
2013-12-19 07:25:01 PM

The Bestest: red5ish: Sure he's a major money drain. He is $28MM of the total $237MM payroll. Since he only played in 44 games I'd say the team's other $209MM worth of players under performed. Or the front office made a mistake by signing A-Rod to such a long term high paying contract. Hell, there's plenty of blame to go around.

$70M more of that was -also- on the DL most of this year. In addition to DL dollars paid, the Yankees approached (not sure if broke) another record for number of different players on the roster before September.

For most of the year, the Yankees' roster-on-the-field actually -overperformed-. They were in first, or within spitting distance with a roster made up of Charleston Riverdogs and "wait, he's still alive?".


I'm a Giants fan, and they went from WS Champions to a losing record, with basically the same personnel and a significantly higher payroll. I don't know who to blame for that.
 
2013-12-19 08:24:18 PM

red5ish: I'm a Giants fan, and they went from WS Champions to a losing record, with basically the same personnel and a significantly higher payroll. I don't know who to blame for that.


The rest of the NL West got better while the Giants remained somewhat stagnant.

The Yankees lost their starting catcher (Cervelli, though he woulda been suspended because of Biogenesis anyway), first baseman (Teixeira), third baseman (A-Rod), shortstop (Jeter), centerfielder (Gardner) and left fielder (Granderson) for most of the year. I don't think many teams can contend for a championship missing 6 fielding starters, most of whom are All-Stars, payroll or not. It's a miracle they finished tied for 3rd and not last, not to mention was in first for a couple of months, especially when this was supposed to be the Blue Jays' year (who DID finish last, and I couldn't tell you what happened to them).

It's not an excuse, it's just what happened, and a lot of it is the Yankees' fault (news flash: older players tend to be more susceptible to injury and take longer to recover). It's why despite the big splashy moves the Yankees made this offseason, I'm not holding my breath (I'm particularly wary of Beltran and Ellsbury).
 
2013-12-19 09:53:16 PM

The Bestest: It's why despite the big splashy moves the Yankees made this offseason, I'm not holding my breath (I'm particularly wary of Beltran and Ellsbury).


Beltran will produce, though he's lost a step. Ellsbury, well, I guess you just hope he doesn't run into anything/anybody and that he'll stay healthy.
Older players, as you say, are more susceptible to injury, and I think that baseball is becoming a younger man's sport. I think the importance of drafting and farm systems is on the rise. Not only is it cheaper than paying FA prices, players are putting up their career numbers earlier.
 
2013-12-19 11:12:15 PM

ChildOfBhaal: Rwa2play: machoprogrammer: WTF Indeed: Not after they rule against him after the new year. I am going to celebrate that day like it was f*cking Christmas/Four of July/and a promotion all rolled into one.

I hope A-Rod wins. Every other guy is juicing, why single out A-Rod?

Yes, he is a douche, but the hypocrisy of steroid use in MLB is pathetic.

Oh here we farkin' go white knighting A-fraud.  it's one thing when one uses the juice, it's another when you do everything in your power (read: see Lance Armstrong) to deny that you use it AND/OR conceal a conspiracy surrounding your use of same.

This is a dead horse, and I'm possibly being trolled.  But what the hell?  Once more into the breach:  It is yet another thing when the body seeking to sanction the juicer abuses legal process to obtain evidence and then levies a punishment several times larger than the punishment prescribed in the collective bargaining agreement.

A-Rod is undoubtedly human slime.  But Selig's Moby-Dickery with regards to the A-Rod case seems pretty clearly to be motivated by personal antipathy.  I wonder why, say, Ryan Braun didn't offend the commish in the same way and was easily able to negotiate a settlement.


Because, maybe, he knew he was gonna get farked with no lube.  Also:  A-fraud had a chance to do the same like Braun and rejected it.  So yeah, Selig can be a douche to A-fraud.
 
2013-12-20 07:00:42 AM
machoprogrammer:

How do you know Halladay was not doping? I mean, I don't suspect him over anyone, but there is no way to know for sure who is/was clean and who isn't. Drug tests are pathetically easy to beat (ask the Biogenesis guys) and as long as the incentive is there, people will do it.

I say make steroids legal and let them juice. They do it anyway


Well I suppose I don't know, but knowing how competitive he was and how much he wanted a ring, I would guess that he would have taken steroids if it lengthened his career to the point where he could pitch effectively. But because he's a stand up guy, he hung it up.

But we agree in theory. Let's them juice.
 
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