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(World Review)   Moscow's vision of an 'Iron Silk Road' to connect North and South Korea via gas pipelines and rail networks is being thwarted by a very obvious obstacle. North Korea to be exact   (worldreview.info) divider line 26
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2013-12-19 07:58:42 AM
We see Putin as this Bond villain-esque figure, but in the day to day governance, he's pretty normal and arguably good for Russia.

Bad for enemies, sure. But on the whole, pretty decent as a President or Prime Minister or whatever position he's drawn for himself up there.
 
2013-12-19 08:12:27 AM
Just tell his royal chubbiness that both are actually an advanced cake delivery system.
 
2013-12-19 08:36:41 AM

Sybarite: Just tell his royal chubbiness that both are actually an advanced cake delivery system.


Mmmmmmm delicious polonium cake.
 
2013-12-19 09:54:28 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: We see Putin as this Bond villain-esque figure, but in the day to day governance, he's pretty normal and arguably good for Russia.

Bad for enemies, sure. But on the whole, pretty decent as a President or Prime Minister or whatever position he's drawn for himself up there.


He just has a LOT of natural gas to sell.
 
2013-12-19 09:59:57 AM

vernonFL: AverageAmericanGuy: We see Putin as this Bond villain-esque figure, but in the day to day governance, he's pretty normal and arguably good for Russia.

Bad for enemies, sure. But on the whole, pretty decent as a President or Prime Minister or whatever position he's drawn for himself up there.

He just has a LOT of natural gas to sell.


Of course! He is a politician after all.
 
2013-12-19 10:15:41 AM
I read that as "Iron Sheik Road", and it was more awesome.
 
2013-12-19 10:26:48 AM

Gonz: I read that as "Iron Sheik Road", and it was more awesome.


Maybe Jung-Un is afraid of having his back broken, his ass farked, and being made humble.
 
2013-12-19 11:24:32 AM
If I was South Korea I wouldn't really want a pipeline through NK either. Sure it will allow access to Russian energy sources but it's going to leave your energy policy at the mercy of North Korea. Instead of just throwing a hissy fit when they get mad, now they'll be able to shut down your heat.
 
2013-12-19 11:46:41 AM

To The Escape Zeppelin!: If I was South Korea I wouldn't really want a pipeline through NK either. Sure it will allow access to Russian energy sources but it's going to leave your energy policy at the mercy of North Korea. Instead of just throwing a hissy fit when they get mad, now they'll be able to shut down your heat.



Of course S. Korea and the US could cut off N. Korea's food aid until they restore the heat. But I think people may freeze faster than they starve.
 
2013-12-19 11:58:17 AM

To The Escape Zeppelin!: If I was South Korea I wouldn't really want a pipeline through NK either. Sure it will allow access to Russian energy sources but it's going to leave your energy policy at the mercy of North Korea. Instead of just throwing a hissy fit when they get mad, now they'll be able to shut down your heat.


Normally, I would agree with that conclusion. But, the bigger ramification wouldn't be about Un shutting off gas to South Korea, it's bout shutting off Putin's gas to anyone. If Best Korea did shut down the pipeline flow, you can bet your last dime that within a few days Russia and China would have steamrolled through the country, killed off Un and any other Kim related to the family, and established a new dynasty more firmly in their control. North Korea would still exist, China wants that nice land buffer with the South Koreans, but there would be a new family in charge, and that wouldn't neccessarily be a bad thing.
 
2013-12-19 12:10:23 PM

RoyFokker'sGhost: Normally, I would agree with that conclusion. But, the bigger ramification wouldn't be about Un shutting off gas to South Korea, it's bout shutting off Putin's gas to anyone. If Best Korea did shut down the pipeline flow, you can bet your last dime that within a few days Russia and China would have steamrolled through the country


This is the magic of NK.  China has lost millions in investments in NK.  SK has lost millions in investments in NK.  Russia (the point of this article) has already spent millions upgrading the rail infrastructure to Khasan (border with NK) and 100 miles into NK.  History suggests that the NK regime might very well destroy that investment overnight for no good reason at all, and history suggests that nobody will do anything much about it.

RoyFokker'sGhost: China wants that nice land buffer with the South Koreans


I still think this is pre-Deng pre-90s thinking.  Look, China is not some isolated Mao state.  They co-exist with Hong Kong on their border. They co-exist with petro-state Stans and Russia on their border.  They co-exist with not-really-very-Commie Vietnam on their border.  Tens of millions of Chinese people have been abroad now.  They also conduct about 20x more trade with South Korea than they do with North Korea.  The whole "China wants a buffer" thing is Cold War thought.  China doesn't want millions of starving, brainfarked, meth-using refugees... that's much more important now.
 
2013-12-19 01:02:58 PM
Every single entity that has entered into a joint business venture of any sort with NK has been very sorry later.
 
2013-12-19 01:28:32 PM

To The Escape Zeppelin!: If I was South Korea I wouldn't really want a pipeline through NK either. Sure it will allow access to Russian energy sources but it's going to leave your energy policy at the mercy of North Korea. Instead of just throwing a hissy fit when they get mad, now they'll be able to shut down your heat.


If the intent was to sell energy to South Koreans, the pipeline would not be built all the way to a tanker terminal in Busan. That means it's intended for export, not consumption by South Korea.

(See also, Keystone Pipeline)
 
2013-12-19 01:38:44 PM

StopLurkListen: That means it's intended for export, not consumption by South Korea.


Well, yeah. Selling Russian gas to SK is nice.  Selling it to energy-starved nuke-freaked Japan is nicer.  And Busan to Kyushu is a much shorter and better-weather LNG tanker trip than Vladivostok to northern Japan.
 
2013-12-19 02:34:50 PM

StopLurkListen: To The Escape Zeppelin!: If I was South Korea I wouldn't really want a pipeline through NK either. Sure it will allow access to Russian energy sources but it's going to leave your energy policy at the mercy of North Korea. Instead of just throwing a hissy fit when they get mad, now they'll be able to shut down your heat.

If the intent was to sell energy to South Koreans, the pipeline would not be built all the way to a tanker terminal in Busan. That means it's intended for export, not consumption by South Korea.

(See also, Keystone Pipeline)


That only really makes his point stronger though.  Instead of those dicks in Pyongyang being able to take just South Korea's energy supply hostage, they'll be enabled to take EVERYONE'S energy supply hostage.
 
2013-12-19 02:52:39 PM

LoneWolf343: Gonz: I read that as "Iron Sheik Road", and it was more awesome.

Maybe Jung-Un is afraid of having his back broken, his ass farked, and being made humble.


*shakes tiny fists at you both*  Listen to the legend or go fark yourselves.
 
2013-12-19 03:46:55 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: We see Putin as this Bond villain-esque figure, but in the day to day governance, he's pretty normal and arguably good for Russia.

Bad for enemies, sure. But on the whole, pretty decent as a President or Prime Minister or whatever position he's drawn for himself up there.


So you have seen the future and it works?
He doesnt seem like a decent leader for homosexuals or dissidents or anyone who isn't one of his buddies and owns an industry.
 
2013-12-19 03:58:45 PM
What, do the automatic turrets keep shooting the guys trying to connect it at the DMZ?

//you know things are bad when you have to post two guards - one to guard the place, and one to kill the first guard if he tries to defect...
 
2013-12-19 05:47:42 PM

HMS_Blinkin: Instead of those dicks in Pyongyang being able to take just South Korea's energy supply hostage, they'll be enabled to take EVERYONE'S energy supply hostage.


Exactly...which is why Putin's first move should be to stabilize Best Korea by effecting a regime change. You know, for the good of the people.

THEN build a pipeline.
 
2013-12-19 06:37:32 PM
They still do the whole "iron this" and "iron that" over there?
 
2013-12-19 07:32:10 PM
Russia + China + enough money = The straw that breaks the Jong Un's back?
 
2013-12-19 07:53:17 PM

bopis: AverageAmericanGuy: We see Putin as this Bond villain-esque figure, but in the day to day governance, he's pretty normal and arguably good for Russia.

Bad for enemies, sure. But on the whole, pretty decent as a President or Prime Minister or whatever position he's drawn for himself up there.

So you have seen the future and it works?
He doesnt seem like a decent leader for homosexuals or dissidents or anyone who isn't one of his buddies and owns an industry.


three other Farkers already pointed out: he's a politician. and on the big picture, he's very much like what we have in the 'murica. big money business and families of extreme wealth and power call the shots, the gay agenda is smiled upon for votes and the former USSR does not follow the Constitution drafted by our founding fathers. the Bush men are far worse people than Putin on a bad day.
 
2013-12-19 09:12:53 PM
I swear to god North Korea is the retarded crack baby of the world. Can we just put them down?
 
2013-12-19 10:18:40 PM

KrispyKritter: bopis: AverageAmericanGuy: We see Putin as this Bond villain-esque figure, but in the day to day governance, he's pretty normal and arguably good for Russia.

Bad for enemies, sure. But on the whole, pretty decent as a President or Prime Minister or whatever position he's drawn for himself up there.

So you have seen the future and it works?
He doesnt seem like a decent leader for homosexuals or dissidents or anyone who isn't one of his buddies and owns an industry.

three other Farkers already pointed out: he's a politician. and on the big picture, he's very much like what we have in the 'murica. big money business and families of extreme wealth and power call the shots, the gay agenda is smiled upon for votes and the former USSR does not follow the Constitution drafted by our founding fathers. the Bush men are far worse people than Putin on a bad day.


I don't know, I can sort of respect the honesty of hiring an Ex-KGB agent for the job. The Russians want crap done, and Putin gets crap done. Sometimes with a bribe, and sometimes with a sledgehammer.
 
2013-12-19 11:21:48 PM

ajgeek: I swear to god North Korea is the retarded crack baby of the world. Can we just put them down?


I don't think we will have to.
Russia and China are both losing patience with the NK leadership. I figure within 10 years the Kim line will be removed from power.
In a global market, NK's stance is no longer good for business.
 
2013-12-20 03:30:31 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: We see Putin as this Bond villain-esque figure, but in the day to day governance, he's pretty normal and arguably good for Russia.

Bad for enemies, sure. But on the whole, pretty decent as a President or Prime Minister or whatever position he's drawn for himself up there.


russia has a balanced budget with a 13% flat tax; something the united states could learn from.
 
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