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(Washington Post)   Fairfax, Virginia wants to surgically sterilize all of its does, its deer, its female deer   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 39
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2013-12-19 01:51:25 AM
Those deer are going to be sooooooooooo popular.
 
2013-12-19 03:40:04 AM
Well, I guess that's one approach, if they don't want people to go all open season in an affluent suburb.

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I say let them go all open season.
 
2013-12-19 03:55:09 AM
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2013-12-19 04:06:29 AM
i loled.
 
2013-12-19 04:10:58 AM
Typical Virginian politics. Skip the condoms and go straight to forced invasive medical procedures.
 
2013-12-19 04:13:43 AM
Please correct me if I'm wrong but isn't castration either chemical or surgical a less invasive, more cost effective way of dealing with this problem?
 
2013-12-19 04:22:48 AM
Shown here: Fairfax City workers putting deer into the autoclave.

www.batch-retort.com
 
2013-12-19 04:26:37 AM
ray the guy who licked it ass
 
2013-12-19 04:35:45 AM
yeah, yeah, yeah. i realized i messed it up
 
2013-12-19 04:45:53 AM
Freaking hate deer. The world needs more hunters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln1ucGoPvWk
 
2013-12-19 04:54:45 AM
www.washingtonpost.com
Those in the photo aren't local deer. They are tourists. You can tell by the fanny packs.
 
2013-12-19 04:55:47 AM

HairyNevus: Freaking hate deer. The world needs more hunters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln1ucGoPvWk


The question being raised is how to cull populations in places like VA, which are mostly suburban, without some kid getting shot in his backyard.

It's a question that interests me, too, as I live in a city with the largest urban park in the world, and people lost their mind when Fairmount Park tried to hire professional hunters to cull deer in parts of the park.
 
2013-12-19 05:03:36 AM
I'm sorry,but does Virginia have a surplus population?

Maybe I need to come over there, help out, and make a shiatload of jerky.
 
2013-12-19 05:10:14 AM

Toriko: Please correct me if I'm wrong but isn't castration either chemical or surgical a less invasive, more cost effective way of dealing with this problem?


You sound hysterical, so let me address this to your husband.

A sterilized female will never bear offspring, even if she mates with 10 neutered males and 1 non-neutered male.

A non-sterilized female WILL (most likely) bear offspring, if she mates with 10 neutered males and 1 non-neutered male.

So sterilizing 90 % of the females = 90 % decrease in births.
Sterilizing 90 % of the males = same rate of births (roughly) and a slight increase in inbreeding over time, if you keep up these shenannigans.
 
2013-12-19 05:38:46 AM

Toriko: Please correct me if I'm wrong but isn't castration either chemical or surgical a less invasive, more cost effective way of dealing with this problem?


That's what I was thinking
 
2013-12-19 05:50:18 AM
Ray, the guy that...

Obscure?
 
2013-12-19 06:20:35 AM

Toriko: Please correct me if I'm wrong but isn't castration either chemical or surgical a less invasive, more cost effective way of dealing with this problem?


You ARE wrong.  If you have 100 males and 100 females, you get 100 offspring.  If you sterilize 50 females, you get 50 offspring.  If you sterilize 80 males instead, you get 100 offspring.
 
2013-12-19 06:23:52 AM
Well, at least I don't have Feliz Navidad stuck in my head any longer.  I'm not sure this is better, but what can you do?
 
2013-12-19 06:25:14 AM
Typical People's Socialist Republic of Northern Virginia bullshiat. Both Loudoun and Fairfax counties in Virginia have the highest rates of Lyme's Disease infections in the entire US. This is because you have residual wildlife and high density population living very close to each other. If this was ANY other disease-laden species in such a small space, the public health officials would have eradicated the little blighters forthwith with nary a blink of an eye or loss of a REM sleep segment.

Instead, the liberal/communist/socialists of the Great Republic of Northern Virginia choose to take a high cost approach in an attempt to salve their souls by treating Bambi with what they see as humane treatment.

For the life of me, I don't understand the human proclivity of treating animals with the same nature as humans. I really don't get it. Top of the food chain, people. Wake the fark up!
 
2013-12-19 06:33:33 AM

Cer10Death: I don't understand the human proclivity of treating animals with the same nature as humans


It's because human beings are animals. I know a lot of you hairless apes don't like to hear that, but it's true.
 
2013-12-19 06:36:58 AM

AgentPothead: Cer10Death: I don't understand the human proclivity of treating animals with the same nature as humans

It's because human beings are animals. I know a lot of you hairless apes don't like to hear that, but it's true.


I'm OK with the shaved ape millieu however you missed the last sentence about us being top of the food chain. Rarely do animals demonstrate such compassion to lesser species.  I say kill them all and give the meat to the less fortunate.
 
2013-12-19 06:51:28 AM
I don't think it'll work, but far as I can tell nobody's using any tax money for it, so give it a go and then call in more hunters if/when it fails.

The best long-term move would be to amend the Lacey Act and allow regulated market hunting of deer. How farking stupid is it to go to a restaurant and order New Zealand-farmed venison when Bambi's going to run out in front of your car on your way there?
 
2013-12-19 07:01:41 AM
Arm the hungry homeless and let them loose.

I'm a problem solver. :)
 
2013-12-19 07:04:49 AM

Rhino_man: Toriko: Please correct me if I'm wrong but isn't castration either chemical or surgical a less invasive, more cost effective way of dealing with this problem?

You ARE wrong.  If you have 100 males and 100 females, you get 100 offspring.  If you sterilize 50 females, you get 50 offspring.  If you sterilize 80 males instead, you get 100 offspring.


where does (deer) babby come from?
 
2013-12-19 07:31:55 AM

Rhino_man: Toriko: Please correct me if I'm wrong but isn't castration either chemical or surgical a less invasive, more cost effective way of dealing with this problem?

You ARE wrong.  If you have 100 males and 100 females, you get 100 offspring.  If you sterilize 50 females, you get 50 offspring.  If you sterilize 80 males instead, you get 100 offspring.


Actually, you're also wrong:

In her first year of breeding, a female generally has one fawn, but 2 per litter (occasionally 3 or 4) are born in subsequent years.

Assuming just 1/4 of the breeding population of does is a 1 year old doe, if you randomly sterilize half of the available does, at a minimum you're going to get (50*.25) + ((50*.75)*2) = 87.5 new deer.

People just don't realize how prodigious deer are when it comes to reproduction.
 
2013-12-19 08:11:03 AM
Deer are a farkin' menace. They are responsible for killing more humans than bears on account of them stupidly jumping out in front to vehicles.

http://reason.com/archives/2001/11/21/north-americas-most-dangerous

We need more hunters and higher bag limits.
 
2013-12-19 08:19:47 AM
This news is a ray, a drop of golden sun.
 
2013-12-19 08:23:11 AM

Day_Old_Dutchie: Deer are a farkin' menace. They are responsible for killing more humans than bears on account of them stupidly jumping out in front to vehicles.

http://reason.com/archives/2001/11/21/north-americas-most-dangerous

We need more hunters and higher bag limits.


I agree with you... but you cannot safely hunt anything in fairfax county. it is far too densely populated.
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=us+va+fairfax&ll=38.852542,-77.23938& sp n=0.32993,0.561676&client=ubuntu&channel=fs&oe=utf-8&hnear=Fairfax,+Vi rginia&gl=us&t=h&z=11
 
2013-12-19 08:23:17 AM

Dwight_Yeast: The question being raised is how to cull populations in places like VA, which are mostly suburban, without some kid getting shot in his backyard.


Pretty simple, really.

Deer need a significant amount of "cover", ie., woods or thick brush.  Often, this is either in people's back yards (like a 'buffer zone' of woods so you don't see your neighbor's back yard) or in common areas.

Pass laws that allow for archery/crossbow hunting in those areas to people who have passed an extra required "suburban hunting" safety course, and allow them to hunt those areas with either the permission of the town or HOA if it is a common area, or on private property with the permission of the land owner.

A bunch of suburban hunters would jump at the chance to be able to hunt in their backyards, or within a couple miles of their homes, instead of having to drive for an hour to get to their hunting areas, even if it did mean passing an extra safety course in order to hunt those areas.
 
2013-12-19 08:30:25 AM
As a resident of Fairfax County, how about we just eat them?
 
2013-12-19 08:43:23 AM

The_Original_Roxtar: Day_Old_Dutchie: Deer are a farkin' menace. They are responsible for killing more humans than bears on account of them stupidly jumping out in front to vehicles.

http://reason.com/archives/2001/11/21/north-americas-most-dangerous

We need more hunters and higher bag limits.

I agree with you... but you cannot safely hunt anything in fairfax county. it is far too densely populated.
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=us+va+fairfax&ll=38.852542,-77.23938& sp n=0.32993,0.561676&client=ubuntu&channel=fs&oe=utf-8&hnear=Fairfax,+Vi rginia&gl=us&t=h&z=11


Actually, I just looked on Google Earth, and I see literally *DOZENS* of places where you could safely bowhunt, especially from a treestand (so you are shooting down, not horizontally).  All you really need is 100 or 200 yards of decent woods in the direction you are shooting for it to be safe, because you're going to be shooting *DOWN* at targets no more than 40 yards or so away.

Just make a requirement that anyone who wants to hunt in a suburban area pass an extra safety course that focuses on the specific safety issues of hunting in areas where you are relatively close to homes, and limit them to archery tackle (or crossbows).   If you want to get really strict, limit the velocity of the bow to keep the possibility of a stray arrow from going too far, and make them use flu-flu type fletchings, but it probably wouldn't be necessary.

For example, I hunt with a hickory longbow.  I haven't shot it for distance, but I'd be surprised if one of my hunting arrows shot from it would go much farther than 200 or 250 yards when fired at a 40 degree angle up.  Shooting horizontally, even after they obliquely hit a tree or rock, I've never seen one go past 70 yards at the very extreme.
 
2013-12-19 09:12:29 AM
Leave it to politicians to come up with the most expensive and impractical way to solve a problem.
 
2013-12-19 09:16:52 AM

budrojr: Leave it to politicians to come up with the most expensive and impractical way to solve a problem.


No, that would have been to genetically engineer a virus and load it into ticks and then wait for the ticks to attach themselves to a deer.

/But they wouldn't listen!
 
2013-12-19 09:22:52 AM
So now the sterilized deer will still starve to death when they run out of food. Yay!

idiots..
 
2013-12-19 09:26:14 AM
To bad the policy won't be extended to politicians.
 
2013-12-19 09:46:46 AM
I got two deep freezers nearing empty and they want to go and pull this shiat?  I cant make chilli with store bought meat, thats just inhumane!
 
2013-12-19 09:53:31 AM

Dwight_Yeast: HairyNevus: Freaking hate deer. The world needs more hunters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln1ucGoPvWk

The question being raised is how to cull populations in places like VA, which are mostly suburban, without some kid getting shot in his backyard.

It's a question that interests me, too, as I live in a city with the largest urban park in the world, and people lost their mind when Fairmount Park tried to hire professional hunters to cull deer in parts of the park.


puddleonfire: I'm sorry,but does Virginia have a surplus population?

Maybe I need to come over there, help out, and make a shiatload of jerky.


Suburbia has some of the highest populations of deer in the country.  Not to mention VA id'd its first case of CWD within the past 12mos.  It's very likely they'll turn into the next Wisconsin/Illinois within a few years - the sterilization approach is one mechanism to try to limit that, although WI's attempt at depopulation failed...
 
2013-12-19 11:20:24 AM
I think Fairfax is getting a bit uppity. God created animals the day before he created humans.
 
2013-12-19 12:32:47 PM
Look, if you can capture the doe to sterilize it, just kill the damn thing.  And donate the meat to the food shelf.
 
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