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(Washington Post)   Federal prosecutor to Governor McDonnell (R-VA): We are going to indict you and your wife on criminal charges. Gov. McDonnell: I would prefer that you don't. Justice Department: Okeedokee, governor, you're the boss   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 55
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2013-12-18 10:16:35 PM  
Government lawyers say they intend to bring charges, accused's lawyers tell them why that is not wise, government does not bring charges but continues investigation.

This happens hundreds of times a day all over the country. You see prosecutors have a duty not to bring charges if they don't have a reasonable belief that a crime has been committed.
 
2013-12-18 11:49:13 PM  

feckingmorons: Government lawyers say they intend to bring charges, accused's lawyers tell them why that is not wise, government does not bring charges but continues investigation.

This happens hundreds of times a day all over the country. You see prosecutors have a duty not to bring charges if they don't have a reasonable belief that a crime has been committed.


There's a good bit of evidence in this case. Maddow has been reporting on it for a while. Like she's done for the GWB/Ft. Lee debacle.
 
2013-12-18 11:53:25 PM  

enry: feckingmorons: Government lawyers say they intend to bring charges, accused's lawyers tell them why that is not wise, government does not bring charges but continues investigation.

This happens hundreds of times a day all over the country. You see prosecutors have a duty not to bring charges if they don't have a reasonable belief that a crime has been committed.

There's a good bit of evidence in this case. Maddow has been reporting on it for a while. Like she's done for the GWB/Ft. Lee debacle.


I don't catch her show.
 
2013-12-19 12:08:36 AM  

feckingmorons: enry: feckingmorons: Government lawyers say they intend to bring charges, accused's lawyers tell them why that is not wise, government does not bring charges but continues investigation.

This happens hundreds of times a day all over the country. You see prosecutors have a duty not to bring charges if they don't have a reasonable belief that a crime has been committed.

There's a good bit of evidence in this case. Maddow has been reporting on it for a while. Like she's done for the GWB/Ft. Lee debacle.

I don't catch her show.


Same time slot as Hannity?
 
2013-12-19 12:13:41 AM  

feckingmorons: enry: feckingmorons: Government lawyers say they intend to bring charges, accused's lawyers tell them why that is not wise, government does not bring charges but continues investigation.

This happens hundreds of times a day all over the country. You see prosecutors have a duty not to bring charges if they don't have a reasonable belief that a crime has been committed.

There's a good bit of evidence in this case. Maddow has been reporting on it for a while. Like she's done for the GWB/Ft. Lee debacle.

I don't catch her show.


And yet you came in here to white-knight for McDonnell. Interesting how you would do that without knowing the facts that are available to the general public.
 
2013-12-19 12:17:10 AM  

feckingmorons: Government lawyers say they intend to bring charges, accused's lawyers tell them why that is not wise, government does not bring charges but continues investigation.

This happens hundreds of times a day all over the country. You see prosecutors have a duty not to bring charges if they don't have a reasonable belief that a crime has been committed.


Considering all the cases that have been overturned in the last few years, it's clear prosecutors do whatever they feel like doing.

/especially if the plain brown envelope was light this week.
 
2013-12-19 12:17:52 AM  
God bless America. Truly the land of liberty and justice for all.
 
2013-12-19 12:20:26 AM  
McDonnell (R) and his wife, Maureen, would have been charged with working together to illegally promote a struggling dietary-supplement company in exchange for gifts and loans from its chief executive

Just more Democrat efforts trying to keep "Deuce Bigalow actor"'s career going nowhere.
 
2013-12-19 12:25:40 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: feckingmorons: enry: feckingmorons: Government lawyers say they intend to bring charges, accused's lawyers tell them why that is not wise, government does not bring charges but continues investigation.

This happens hundreds of times a day all over the country. You see prosecutors have a duty not to bring charges if they don't have a reasonable belief that a crime has been committed.

There's a good bit of evidence in this case. Maddow has been reporting on it for a while. Like she's done for the GWB/Ft. Lee debacle.

I don't catch her show.

Same time slot as Hannity?


Beats me, I don't catch his either.
 
2013-12-19 12:29:08 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: And yet you came in here to white-knight for McDonnell. Interesting how you would do that without knowing the facts that are available to the general public


Who is white knighting anyone. I said it is not uncommon for prosecutors and defense lawyers to chat before charges are filed. Frequently that results in charges not being filed.

If they have a good case, but the defense gives them information that may make them think twice about how good that case is it would be a waste of everyone's time and effort to move forward.

It wasn't commentary on this particular case, but rather on how the system truly works.

But if you want to make it political go right ahead it is a (fairly) free country and I'm going to make tea then I'm going to watch some re-runs and go to bed.
 
2013-12-19 12:36:41 AM  
Seems like they're just delaying it for a month to avoid complicating the transition to the new governor which seems reasonable enough.
 
2013-12-19 12:39:55 AM  
Seems to me that this is the pro quid for Obenshain agreeing to stop being an obstruction.
 
2013-12-19 12:40:04 AM  

Snapper Carr: Seems like they're just delaying it for a month to avoid complicating the transition to the new governor which seems reasonable enough.


The whole thing seems a little bit like a tempest in a teapot.
 
2013-12-19 12:45:07 AM  

feckingmorons: Lionel Mandrake: feckingmorons: enry: feckingmorons: Government lawyers say they intend to bring charges, accused's lawyers tell them why that is not wise, government does not bring charges but continues investigation.

This happens hundreds of times a day all over the country. You see prosecutors have a duty not to bring charges if they don't have a reasonable belief that a crime has been committed.

There's a good bit of evidence in this case. Maddow has been reporting on it for a while. Like she's done for the GWB/Ft. Lee debacle.

I don't catch her show.

Same time slot as Hannity?

Beats me, I don't catch his either.


It's not.

~*~ the more you know ~*~
 
2013-12-19 12:48:17 AM  
There's enough evidence to at least permanently bury his political career. Maybe more.
 
2013-12-19 12:49:27 AM  

sadbad: There's enough evidence to at least permanently bury his political career. Maybe more.


Really? They're in a shady Amway pyramid type scheme. That's about it.
 
2013-12-19 12:58:49 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: Just more Democrat efforts trying to keep "Deuce Bigalow actor"'s career going nowhere.


Look, we all took a vote and that douchebag lost.  But we decided to make Fox News the number one "news" network.  Go figure...
 
2013-12-19 01:11:20 AM  
He should retain John Edwards' lawyer.
 
2013-12-19 01:12:30 AM  

Bigdogdaddy: He should retain John Edwards' lawyer.


Why would he need some psychic's lawyer?
 
2013-12-19 01:16:35 AM  

Bucky Katt: Bigdogdaddy: He should retain John Edwards' lawyer.

Why would he need some psychic's lawyer?


To get in touch with Sylvia Brown, obviously.
 
2013-12-19 01:31:47 AM  
This guy is corrupt as shiat.  Him and his wife should join a cell with Blago.
 
2013-12-19 01:50:00 AM  

Serious Black: God bless America. Truly the land of liberty and justice for all.


I know. I cried when I saw George Zimmerman's painting. And I'm not even an American.
 
2013-12-19 02:03:55 AM  
the McDonnells' attorneys made a face-to-face appeal in Washington

ZOMFG. The McDonnells' attorneys went all the way from Virginia to Washington D.C.? Their effort and pluck alone would have impressed me as well. No wonder prosecutors agreed to postpone charges.
 
2013-12-19 02:14:16 AM  

Fuggin Bizzy: the McDonnells' attorneys made a face-to-face appeal in Washington

ZOMFG. The McDonnells' attorneys went all the way from Virginia to Washington D.C.? Their effort and pluck alone would have impressed me as well. No wonder prosecutors agreed to postpone charges.


Dude, the traffic jams are crazy.
 
2013-12-19 02:20:29 AM  
So can I tell a cop arresting me would bad idea? Hmmmm.
/yeah
 
2013-12-19 02:29:33 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: So can I tell a cop arresting me would bad idea? Hmmmm.
/yeah


It probably would be a bad idea either way - for the cop to arrest you or for you
to tell the cop not to arrest you.
They don't like that.

/But why would a cop want to arrest you in the first place, Mags?
 
2013-12-19 02:41:41 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: tinfoil-hat maggie: So can I tell a cop arresting me would bad idea? Hmmmm.
/yeah

It probably would be a bad idea either way - for the cop to arrest you or for you
to tell the cop not to arrest you.
They don't like that.

/But why would a cop want to arrest you in the first place, Mags?


Oh, yea I'm a good girl, but it has happen at times.
 
2013-12-19 02:48:25 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: demaL-demaL-yeH: tinfoil-hat maggie: So can I tell a cop arresting me would bad idea? Hmmmm.
/yeah

It probably would be a bad idea either way - for the cop to arrest you or for you
to tell the cop not to arrest you.
They don't like that.

/But why would a cop want to arrest you in the first place, Mags?

Oh, yea I'm a good girl, but it has happen at times.


O.o
But you're a woman.
And white, no?

/Never arrested.
//The key is to look boring when cops are about.
///Very, very boring.
 
2013-12-19 02:56:11 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: tinfoil-hat maggie: demaL-demaL-yeH: tinfoil-hat maggie: So can I tell a cop arresting me would bad idea? Hmmmm.
/yeah

It probably would be a bad idea either way - for the cop to arrest you or for you
to tell the cop not to arrest you.
They don't like that.

/But why would a cop want to arrest you in the first place, Mags?

Oh, yea I'm a good girl, but it has happen at times.

O.o
But you're a woman.
And white, no?

/Never arrested.
//The key is to look boring when cops are about.
///Very, very boring.


2 DUI's when I was young and dumb.
 
2013-12-19 02:57:47 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: demaL-demaL-yeH: tinfoil-hat maggie: demaL-demaL-yeH: tinfoil-hat maggie: So can I tell a cop arresting me would bad idea? Hmmmm.
/yeah

It probably would be a bad idea either way - for the cop to arrest you or for you
to tell the cop not to arrest you.
They don't like that.
/But why would a cop want to arrest you in the first place, Mags?

Oh, yea I'm a good girl, but it has happen at times.

O.o
But you're a woman.
And white, no?

/Never arrested.
//The key is to look boring when cops are about.
///Very, very boring.

2 DUI's when I was young and dumb.


Ah. Never got that bored and always walked to the bar.
 
2013-12-19 03:37:26 AM  

Snapper Carr: Seems like they're just delaying it for a month to avoid complicating the transition to the new governor which seems reasonable enough.


Very likely. From TFA:

They also argued that if prosecutors proceeded with charges, they should wait until after McDonnell left office Jan. 11 to allow a smooth transition of power to Gov.-elect Terry McAuliffe (D).

While I don't doubt it's for entirely selfish and mendacious reasons, that doesn't seem like an unreasonable suggestion.
 
2013-12-19 03:45:42 AM  
Might be waiting for him to leave office.
 
2013-12-19 04:04:56 AM  

MFAWG: sadbad: There's enough evidence to at least permanently bury his political career. Maybe more.

Really? They're in a shady Amway pyramid type scheme. That's about it.


Multi-level marketing?

The chair is too good for them. That's a draw+quartering level offense against humanity.
 
2013-12-19 04:12:19 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: tinfoil-hat maggie: demaL-demaL-yeH: tinfoil-hat maggie: So can I tell a cop arresting me would bad idea? Hmmmm.
/yeah

It probably would be a bad idea either way - for the cop to arrest you or for you
to tell the cop not to arrest you.
They don't like that.

/But why would a cop want to arrest you in the first place, Mags?

Oh, yea I'm a good girl, but it has happen at times.

O.o
But you're a woman.
And white, no?

/Never arrested.
//The key is to look boring when cops are about.
///Very, very boring.


I just look really bored.

Like, "you want to stop and question me? *huff sigh* how droll. FINE. Please, do be quick about it."

They just assume I have enough money to actually fight any possible charges, and let me go.
 
2013-12-19 05:23:13 AM  
They're just giving him a chance to tastefully kill himself. Classy.
 
2013-12-19 06:14:11 AM  

feckingmorons: Government lawyers say they intend to bring charges, accused's lawyers tell them why that is not wise, government does not bring charges but continues investigation.

This happens hundreds of times a day all over the country. You see prosecutors have a duty not to bring charges if they don't have a reasonable belief that a crime has been committed.


Aaron Swartz would like a word
 
2013-12-19 07:32:58 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Snapper Carr: Seems like they're just delaying it for a month to avoid complicating the transition to the new governor which seems reasonable enough.

Very likely. From TFA:

They also argued that if prosecutors proceeded with charges, they should wait until after McDonnell left office Jan. 11 to allow a smooth transition of power to Gov.-elect Terry McAuliffe (D).

While I don't doubt it's for entirely selfish and mendacious reasons, that doesn't seem like an unreasonable suggestion.


Farking this.  We'll see an indictment in mid January, but by then nobody will care.
 
2013-12-19 07:39:49 AM  

sadbad: There's enough evidence to at least permanently bury his political career. Maybe more.


Two words:

:"Mark" and "Sanford."

shiat, he spins this as "promoting jobs growth" and "evil Obammunist Conspiracy" he gets a boost from it.
 
2013-12-19 07:42:00 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Snapper Carr: Seems like they're just delaying it for a month to avoid complicating the transition to the new governor which seems reasonable enough.

Very likely. From TFA:

They also argued that if prosecutors proceeded with charges, they should wait until after McDonnell left office Jan. 11 to allow a smooth transition of power to Gov.-elect Terry McAuliffe (D).

While I don't doubt it's for entirely selfish and mendacious reasons, that doesn't seem like an unreasonable suggestion.


aYup. Purty much THIS.
 
2013-12-19 08:00:01 AM  
As a Virginian, I'm not surprised.  McDonnell and Cucinelli have created a system of cronyism over the past several years that has become well known to many Virginians.  It's not surprising that the guy is in trouble for "magic math."  He's been doing that with the state budget for years, crowing about the "increases" in the budget by tallying the retirement system in the final calculations.  Oh, and all of those state employee bonuses (not raises.  Never raises)?  They come from local funds, based on how much they cut from their budgets.
 
2013-12-19 09:35:48 AM  
Where are the usual Fark Independents?

When a DNC politician does something like this, I'm happy that they be destroyed. When a GOP politician does something like this, they simply avoid the topic.
 
2013-12-19 09:37:57 AM  
Democratic criminals go to jail.  Republican criminals get funded for think tanks.
 
2013-12-19 09:56:39 AM  
According to the gang on Morning Joe, no Virginia statutes were broken, so there's that.
 
2013-12-19 10:08:51 AM  

mrshowrules: Where are the usual Fark Independents?

When a DNC politician does something like this, I'm happy that they be destroyed. When a GOP politician does something like this, they simply avoid the topic.


Honestly, the guy's leaving office.  It's far less hassle to prosecute him once he's out of office.  Statute of limitations ensures that there's plenty of time and patience for it.
 
2013-12-19 10:51:56 AM  

A Cave Geek: mrshowrules: Where are the usual Fark Independents?

When a DNC politician does something like this, I'm happy that they be destroyed. When a GOP politician does something like this, they simply avoid the topic.

Honestly, the guy's leaving office.  It's far less hassle to prosecute him once he's out of office.  Statute of limitations ensures that there's plenty of time and patience for it.


Why wait?  I don't get it.  If you break the law, do you tell the attorney that you are just wrapping up a work contract so to hold off.

You have Deputy Governors for a reason.
 
2013-12-19 12:14:55 PM  

Snapper Carr: Seems like they're just delaying it for a month to avoid complicating the transition to the new governor which seems reasonable enough.


This.  I can wait a few weeks for this vajaja probing obsessed cockpunch to be dragged before the bench for being a corrupt scammer.
 
2013-12-19 12:17:40 PM  

mrshowrules: A Cave Geek: mrshowrules: Where are the usual Fark Independents?

When a DNC politician does something like this, I'm happy that they be destroyed. When a GOP politician does something like this, they simply avoid the topic.

Honestly, the guy's leaving office.  It's far less hassle to prosecute him once he's out of office.  Statute of limitations ensures that there's plenty of time and patience for it.

Why wait?  I don't get it.  If you break the law, do you tell the attorney that you are just wrapping up a work contract so to hold off.

You have Deputy Governors for a reason.


Yeah, but it's only a few weeks.  One of the fundamental and historical differences introduced in this country is the peaceful handover of political power.  Before Washington, political transition usually resulted in bloodshed or at the very least, chaos.  The law's arms are long enough to catch this farker and put him where he will get some probing.
 
2013-12-19 12:22:34 PM  

plewis: mrshowrules: A Cave Geek: mrshowrules: Where are the usual Fark Independents?

When a DNC politician does something like this, I'm happy that they be destroyed. When a GOP politician does something like this, they simply avoid the topic.

Honestly, the guy's leaving office.  It's far less hassle to prosecute him once he's out of office.  Statute of limitations ensures that there's plenty of time and patience for it.

Why wait?  I don't get it.  If you break the law, do you tell the attorney that you are just wrapping up a work contract so to hold off.

You have Deputy Governors for a reason.

Yeah, but it's only a few weeks.  One of the fundamental and historical differences introduced in this country is the peaceful handover of political power.  Before Washington, political transition usually resulted in bloodshed or at the very least, chaos.  The law's arms are long enough to catch this farker and put him where he will get some probing.


To take an extreme example, would you let a suspected pedophile finish the last two weeks as a camp councilor before charging him?

As the crime is related to the actions of his office, it should not wait.  If it was a crime unrelated to his office, I would agree.  The Deputy Governor should be stepping in until this is resolved.
 
2013-12-19 12:41:06 PM  

feckingmorons: Government lawyers say they intend to bring charges, accused's lawyers tell them why that is not wise, government does not bring charges but continues investigation.

This happens hundreds of times a day all over the country. You see prosecutors have a duty not to bring charges if they don't have a reasonable belief that a crime has been committed.


It is pretty standard process in a federal case, One of my white-knuckle moments in the law was, while still a student in a law clinic mind you, walking into a conference room at the US Attorney's office for the ND of Illinois, with my professor  thinking I would be meeting with two AUSA's to argue why my client shouldn't even be charged with "accessory after the fact" and instead facing Patrick Fitzgerald himself and ALL his AUSA's and finding out he was thinking of charging my client as a principle on  a capital (death Penalty) eligible charge
 
2013-12-19 12:55:03 PM  

mrshowrules: plewis: mrshowrules: A Cave Geek: mrshowrules: Where are the usual Fark Independents?

When a DNC politician does something like this, I'm happy that they be destroyed. When a GOP politician does something like this, they simply avoid the topic.

Honestly, the guy's leaving office.  It's far less hassle to prosecute him once he's out of office.  Statute of limitations ensures that there's plenty of time and patience for it.

Why wait?  I don't get it.  If you break the law, do you tell the attorney that you are just wrapping up a work contract so to hold off.

You have Deputy Governors for a reason.

Yeah, but it's only a few weeks.  One of the fundamental and historical differences introduced in this country is the peaceful handover of political power.  Before Washington, political transition usually resulted in bloodshed or at the very least, chaos.  The law's arms are long enough to catch this farker and put him where he will get some probing.

To take an extreme example, would you let a suspected pedophile finish the last two weeks as a camp councilor before charging him?

As the crime is related to the actions of his office, it should not wait.  If it was a crime unrelated to his office, I would agree.  The Deputy Governor should be stepping in until this is resolved.


Meh.  Much easier and cheaper to do it when he's out of office.  Fewer protections, easier rules of evidence, process, and far less press involved.  Better to wait.
 
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